Out with the Old Joe, In with the New Kamala

[tp4tissue]

Now, here is something that I hadn't though about before:

https://x.com/RightWingWatch/status/1834300790715912578

This guy looks about your age Fohat,  Tp4 blames the fohat.digs generation. They are ruining america.

[fohat.digs]

The post-Baby Boomers are worse.

My hope for the future lies with Gen Z.

[noisyturtle]

The Dems are sending spy flys to spy on the giant pile of poop the Reps have been amassing!

[fohat.digs]

It will be interesting to watch James Donald Bowman (aka JD Vance) perform in the debate Tuesday. His political future will depend on it.

Since he has previously been pontificating exclusively in front MAGA crowds, he has been feeding them the drivel that they wanted to hear.

I suspect that he is disciplined enough to refrain from the usual idiocy, lies, and pandering of his current iteration since he knows that he will be addressing a real audience with legitimate moderators. He should know that if he spews Drumpf-esque nonsense he will be finished in the eyes of the nation.

However, if he can come across as an articulate, informed, and - most of all - sane man then he might set the stage for a comeback in the years to come.

At least, that is what I think.

[tp4tissue]

When has these debates ever mattered?

We continue to burn fossil fuels at record pace. Destroy what little forest we have left via animal agriculture. America Starts ANOTHER WAR. And we KEEP LOSING THEM.  We're going to lose Ukraine.  They all died for nothing.

It's not about presidents,  it's about collective stupidity.

[noisyturtle]

Yeah, I don't think debates matter too much any more. Most people have already made their choices, and no amount of information will change them.
All debates are any more are a risk each nominee is taking where everyone is just watching to see if they slip up so they can use it as more ammo.

[fohat.digs]

don't think debates matter too much any more.

I completely agree that very very few votes will be flipped on Tuesday, but, in any case, the MAGAs are going to have to have someone to turn to in the (probably very near) future.

Tuesday's showing may well determine whether James Donald Woodson (aka James David Hamel aka J.D. Vance) goes forward as one of Drumpf's dingleberries or whether he establishes himself as a player in a Republican future.

Unless, of course, the Vump-Trance ticket were to make it to an inauguration in January 2025, in which case JD would quickly 25th Amendment the fat **** and catapult himself into the Oval Office quite rapidly. Don't imagine that he wouldn't do it.

[tp4tissue]

Your first mistake, was assumn' the average person could reed.

[fohat.digs]

Tuesday's showing may well determine whether James Donald Woodson (aka James David Hamel aka J.D. Vance) goes forward as one of Drumpf's dingleberries

he might set the stage for a comeback in the years to come

I guessed wrong.

Instead of taking a higher road and making himself seem worthy of the presidency, he wallowed in the muck and stench of nonsense like Jan 6 denialism.

[tp4tissue]

The foreign policy between the 2 presidential / vice presidential candidates is EXACTLY THE SAME. More Military SPENDING !!

America is gearing up to send more farmer's kids to die, no matter who you vote for.   Suppressing IRAN is ridiculous, we couldn't defeat Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan.  What makes anyone think it'll be any different this time.


Neither candidates have done, or plan to do anything about climate change. Both agree on maintaining status quo capitalism, the very thing that got us into this mess in the first place.


The world's Jewish Orthodoxy uniformly / over-whelmingly / unequivocally support Trump because they believe with absolute certainty that Trump will send in American troops to complete their genocide.

In the long run, that is too bad for the Palestinians, because Harris is pretty much just as likely to it.

As Americans, unless you're a soldier, you don't have to worry about war with Palestine. There will only be at worst death in the 1000s.

However,  Russia is another matter.  Push comes to shove, we CAN NOT defeat another nuclear nation, without mutually assuring our own destruction.  In-between the extremes, lots of American farmer's kids will die. War with Russia will be death in the hundred thousands, which then precipitates to millions, finally the end of mankind.

Ukraine is already lost, Notice they're not in the news anymore, Ukrainian death in the millions by now.. Because we bungled it royally. The Biden/Harris administration messed up.

Donald Trump is the safer bet when it comes to the Putin Drama, but this benefit will be extremely short lived.  He will absolutely make just about every other world contention worse.



Both candidates talk about/n'quote "Israel needs a win."  What does that mean,  it means because they're our ally, and we've invested our American-Prestige, aka, sold them Military hardware,   we HAVE TO PROVE, that it was money well spent, and the world should buy more into our crumbling military industrial complex.

Palestine will likely go down, for no other reason than to maintain the Facade that American Violence Reigns Supreme.

It's ALL THE MORE IMPORTANT, because we sought to PROVE that with UKRAINE,  and they've already lost the war, plain and simple,  we sent them all the guns in the world, and they still lost.

This is not a Surprise, For the last 30-40 years, the majority of American military elites, retired diplomats, all agreed, vocally, that this was the likely outcome in a confrontation with Russia.  Ukraine was a stupid play. If anything it only shows how weak and ineffective American brand violence actually is.


We can easily take Palestine and complete the genocide for Israel,  the real problem is IRAN.  Unlike Palestine, it's an actual country, uniting many other nations of the Arab world.

It only takes 30 people to plan and do a 9.11.

How many 9.11s do you think it would take to cripple Israel / / America.

Iranian hackers alone brought our entire banking system to its knees, after we killed their nuclear scientists. They demonstrated unequivocally the fragility of the modern world.  This wasn't in the news, but it was probably the biggest hole our militarism dug under Obama.

[tp4tissue]

The debate.


As usual, the Democrats are addressing the wrong crowd.

For example, the word Adjudicate,  Do you think the average republican voter knows what that word means. NO.

Vance is effective, because he's delivering TO his intended audience, he dumbs the speech down with the lowest possible denominator.  The democrats did all the bad stuff, trump did all the good stuff, democrats rolled back all the good stuff trump did, vote for trump.

The mistake here, is Walz is addressing HIS base, the Learned, democrat voters,  who have already decided to vote for him regardless.   He's talking to people he does not need to sway.

What he should be doing, is throwing down against Vance.  Vance is a liar, they didn't do this this this. Trump is a Moron, You're a moron, your crack addict mother su....

[noisyturtle]

Trump talks like an online troll comment section. Is that why some people like him?

[tp4tissue]

Yes.

[fohat.digs]

don't think debates matter too much any more.

in January 2025, in which case JD would quickly 25th Amendment the fat **** and catapult himself into the Oval Office

You already heard it from me.

[fohat.digs]

"I can just speak to what people are feeling. We cannot despair. We cannot despair. You know the nature of a democracy is such that I think there's a duality. On the one hand, there's an incredible strength when our democracy is intact, an incredible strength and what it does to protect the freedoms and rights of people.
There's great strength in that and it is very fragile. It is only as strong as our willingness to fight for it."
- VP Kamala Harris 2024-10-21

[tp4tissue]

Power structures, are about keeping people in line.

It has nothing to do with fairness or morality.

In that way, all power structures are identical, and have comparable failings.

It will always get this bad, and it will always get worse, before revolution kills the existing rot at the top and we get a slightly less corrupt new state. At this point in the timeline, democrats and republicans are identical people farmers. They are both far right parties.


The trouble is, most of us plebs will drown in the fallout.

[LavenderB]

Ugh, why did Kamala water down her campaign so much? It didn't even achieve the intended result, she only lost popularity.

[tp4tissue]

Ugh, why did Kamala water down her campaign so much? It didn't even achieve the intended result, she only lost popularity.

Capitalism is why,  it doesn't matter who you vote for, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. It's all going to sh....

15-30 years, there's a high probability of Cataclysmic Undoing. 

Biden inherited Bernie Sander's environmental policy package, watered it down to nothing, and both candidates have agreed to carry on as usual, More fossil fuels, More military spending, Guarantees for the growth of capitalism, 0 effective climate commitment, rollback on AI environmental policies, EVERY damn thing subsidized with TAX PAYER money.

The democrats NEVER INTENDED to follow through. They are owned in whole by the multinationals just as the republicans are. These are puppets. They're both far right parties. That's the nature of corporations, to protect the oligarchy.

Bernie Sanders was our last chance to save the planet and have a future. And Fohat's generation blew it.

Not Fohat though, no one's blaming fohat, we're reasonably sure he's woke at this point.



The only possible effective policy going forward is eating-Vegetables.  This might buy us some time.  There is no other known solution to climate change.

Animal agriculture is the most destructive, most bigoted, most evil act humanity has ever committed.

[fohat.digs]

he's woke at this point

[Findecanor]

The theory of the greenhouse effect was published even earlier, by the Swedish physicist/chemist Svante Arrhenius in 1896.
My alma mater has a road and a building named after him, and the building does (of course) house the department of environmental science.

[fohat.digs]

6 million Puerto Ricans live stateside

"Comedian Tony Hinchcliffe, who made a so-called joke calling Puerto Rico a “floating island of garbage.” Hinchcliffe made another racist and vulgar comment about Latinos, saying, “And these Latinos, they love making babies too. Just know that. They do. They do. There’s no pulling out. They don’t do that. They come inside. Just like they did to our country." "
- Madison Square Garden 2024-10-27

[tp4tissue]

I'm convinced this helps, but Latinos on average don't keep up with current events. They'd rather be at family barbecues.

If they're gonna use this against trump, they need to make it loud and fast.

[fohat.digs]

keep up with current events

I suppose that most adults in the US do not.

Ever since Harris joined the race her speeches kept getting better, but the one in DC tonight was absolutely impeccable.

[TomahawkLabs]

Even if you aren't "watching the news" everyone is scrolling their feed. Everyone with a phone has already seen the comments on the folks in PR. The real question is will it motivate anyone to change their vote or get out and vote.

[noisyturtle]

This is so embarrassing, USA should be ashamed of this circus they are putting on.
But people have no shame any more, which is why this ****show is going on in the first place.

[fohat.digs]

USA should be ashamed

people have no shame

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

[tp4tissue]

Is it just me, or does Teyla resemble Kamala Harris?

[tp4tissue]

Don't believe it when Tp4 says it.

Ok here's an autistic white girl saying it.

[kurplop]

Just when I thought she might have outgrown her pompous self-righteousness. How dare she!

[tp4tissue]

Just when I thought she might have outgrown her pompous self-righteousness. How dare she!

How would you describe our situation then Kurplo.

[kurplop]

I think that the US is a target for criticism because of its power and success. The history of the US is mired in acts of cruelty and self-centeredness but also generosity and altruism. I think a majority of countries could say the same.

For the third time, I will be reluctantly be voting for Trump. I have tried to restrain my comments because a format like this rarely is successful in having civil discourse. Most of the GH audience will look for ways to attack without making an attempt to understand. It may not be anyone’s fault, it’s just the nature of online communication without face-to-face nuance.

I frequently have excellent face-to-face conversations with people with radically different views. I’ve learned much from them and maybe they might say the same. I can’t think of a time when we would part with bad feelings toward the other. That happens rarely online.


I think the greatest lesson I’ve learned is not to make a moral judgement against a person with a different perspective. I may believe that they are misguided. I may even find humor in it. In the case of Ms Thunburg, I think her convictions are misdirected but come from a desire for good.

[tp4tissue]

Voting for Trump doesn't make you misguided or amoral, or anything.

You are a limited intelligence construct as are all humans, we understand a sliver of the totality of the life composition of the planet.

The cruelty, selfishness, amoral conduct, compassion, love, etc  are all COMPONENTS of a functioning society.

The Greed drives compulsion, compulsion creates poverty, scarcity drives efficiency, efficiency produces abundance, abundance is consumed by Further-Greed.

Trump, and the capitalism system of greed, gross-misconduct, psychopathy,   These might just be the necessarily and evolutionary ordained "Bitter Notes" to an otherwise "Edible Soup".

Tp4 for one is ok with Kurplop voting Trump, Ultimately, the system of exploitation remains unchanged regardless of who you vote for. Harris has identically promised to maintain the status quo, to increase carbon emissions, to send farmers kids off to die, to support Israel's genocide, to kick the climate change can down the road.  Trump is no better and no worse.   They're both merely figureheads / representatives of DIFFERENT capitalist families.  Nameplate difference, Identical human conduct from both sides.

It would seem that human beings of this current time period, are not capable of more compassion than exists, and Though it may be too bad that we will all die on this hill.  Our legacy is preserved in the genetic seedlings which will survive the ice age, to reset for the next 10,000 years of inter-glacial period.

[noisyturtle]

Greta is a dip**** who doesn't know how to read a room, and she is constantly virtue signaling the wrong messages at the wrong times.
She built her entire 'career' of being given handouts to do nothing off being a meme in the first place. Shut up and go away.

[tp4tissue]

Admit it NT, you're just jealous such a plain looking Jane has more social clot than you will ever achieve.

Your rage and frustration has nothing to do with Greta,  it has everything to do with you not living up to your own perceived potential.

[noisyturtle]

Greta has literally the same exact career arc as the Hawk Tuah girl.
I have no respect for someone who lives off 'donations' from a funny quote they made years ago.

[yuppie]

I wish I could like some of these posts 

[iri]

I was instructed to vote for Harris on Gosuslugi FYI.

[tp4tissue]

I was instructed to vote for Harris on Gosuslugi FYI.

Russians would distrust that instruction and vote for Trump anyway. The Kaygeebee knows this is what the average Russian would do, which is why they sent it that way.

If they put out the word to vote for Trump, people would vote for Harris.