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« on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 00:34:31 »
Effort-Justification: people's tendency to attribute a greater value (greater than the objective value) to an outcome they had to put effort into acquiring or achieving.


Is this really what all the keyboard geekery comes down to??  So, we dropped serious dime on a keyboard, now we must continuously affirm our decision?

I am slowly leaning towards this view. I believe that many of the diehard geekhackers on this board are merely prolonging their keyboard dementia in an effort to delay the awakening to the fact that their hobby is of so little consequence.


Reasons:

Mechanical reasons:

No realistic benefits,  Even assuming mechanical keys are simply better in every physical way

-The accuracy they bring is seldom critical
-Composition speeds need no more than 60wpm


Physical reasons:

Mechanical keyboards are usually physically more attractive

-No one ever sees my desk
-No girl would ever sleep with me because I have a nice keyboard.

AND for most if not all of us,, we do not look at our keyboards while typing on them.

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« Reply #1 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 00:42:53 »
Our world is a huge pile of nonsense. So who cares?

Some people gather money, cars, girls, coins or stamps just to feel good about themselves and collect admiration from others. Here we collect keyboards of different switches and size.

It helps to feel better about yourself when you are close to something special. Its usability or appearance does not matter any more.
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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 00:46:44 »
It is your hobby, not your girlfriend's or your co-workers' hobby nor does it matter how other people look at it..

Its ultimately the person who is enjoying the hobby that is benefiting from the effects of this hobby(whatever it may be).

Value is always subjective imo. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder!

Edit: Then again, if you wake up one day and realize those keyboards no longer keep your interest, perhaps its time to move on to something else :P

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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 00:55:36 »
Quote from: ripster;560060
It took you 358 posts to figure that out?

Sent From Brother Ripster's iPad

Yes, it did, LOL..

But, I am glad you agree.

I just wanted to bring a little something to inoculate the "keyboard" sinking that occurs with every new member..

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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 00:57:30 »
Quote from: Tony;560056
Our world is a huge pile of nonsense. So who cares?

Some people gather money, cars, girls, coins or stamps just to feel good about themselves and collect admiration from others. Here we collect keyboards of different switches and size.

It helps to feel better about yourself when you are close to something special. Its usability or appearance does not matter any more.

Right, I suppose you are right that happiness is ultimately what we're buying..

But,, The task has become so empty.

(O.o)   maybe I'm experiencing "keyboard-depression"

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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 01:04:34 »
I'm going to have to go out on a limb here and say that there is no nonsense in it. I have friends go out gambling just about every other weekend. I have friends that are into cars, friends that run. There's plenty of things to spend your money on. Personally, I just want to do what I enjoy. If typing on a keyboard that is pleasing, and knowing how awesome I am inside because of it makes me happy. I'm going to do it.

Also, I do look at my keyboard several times a day and thing to myself, damn that is one fine looking piece of machinery...

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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 01:08:13 »
Quote from: jblack801;560071
I'm going to have to go out on a limb here and say that there is no nonsense in it. I have friends go out gambling just about every other weekend. I have friends that are into cars, friends that run. There's plenty of things to spend your money on. Personally, I just want to do what I enjoy. If typing on a keyboard that is pleasing, and knowing how awesome I am inside because of it makes me happy. I'm going to do it.

Also, I do look at my keyboard several times a day and thing to myself, damn that is one fine looking piece of machinery...

I am refering to "why" you do those things...

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« Reply #7 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 01:08:43 »
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Right, I suppose you are right that happiness is ultimately what we're buying..

But,, The task has become so empty.

(O.o)   maybe I'm experiencing "keyboard-depression"


That emptiness feeling is quite frequent when you are living your life without a meaning.

Happily you found that the keyboards are the culprit. Most geekhackers don't.
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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 01:09:03 »
Everything is nonsense when you think about it. We should all just off ourselves asap.

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 01:13:10 »
Quote from: Shogunner;560079
Everything is nonsense when you think about it. We should all just off ourselves asap.

Well, I'm not suggesting that suicide is better than keyboard worship.. So, if you're in the market for guillotines,, I beseech you to please turn back!

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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 01:14:40 »
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« Reply #11 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 01:16:54 »
We live here because the parents forgot to use a condom. We are their mistakes. So God brings keyboards for us to enlighten our time with the computer and make us happy with the boring, nonsense existence.

Filco, Ducky, Xamor, Noppoo, Unicomp, Leopold are all different kind of missionaries. They got special discount with the keyboard God.
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« Reply #12 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 01:29:19 »
Quote from: Tony;560087
We live here because the parents forgot to use a condom. We are their mistakes. So God brings keyboards for us to enlighten our time with the computer and make us happy with the boring, nonsense existence.

Filco, Ducky, Xamor, Noppoo, Unicomp, Leopold are all different kind of missionaries. They got special discount with the keyboard God.

The fact that you're a mistake.

Do you really think like this and believe it? Serious question

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« Reply #13 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 01:58:47 »
Quote from: tp4tissue;560099
The fact that you're a mistake.

Do you really think like this and believe it? Serious question


Haha, do you seriously think that I have said anything sensible in such nonsense topic?
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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 02:28:51 »
Ergonomics, I am simply not comfortable typing on a 'normal' keyboard.

Basicly saying all hobbies are pointless is true but sometimes a hobby opens new avenues etc..

Martial arts is a 'useless' hobby, until one day you use technique. e.g. a break roll after being knocked off your bicycle.

Also you are forgetting that if your job is typing, why settle for anything but the best?
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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 02:49:22 »
Meh, if all you are doing is buying keyboards nonstop it could get to the point where it could become pointless..  Most people buy a ton of keyboards and then try a ton of switches and brands till they settle on the best keyboard(for them).  I just like tearing keyboards apart and putting them back together.  There are collectors who like to pimp their boards and collect CF skulls, and the ergo crowd.  There is also people who ask for advice, buy one keyboard and are done with it.  Hope you don't become too cynical with everything in life >.<.

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 03:27:21 »
Quote from: slueth;560143
Meh, if all you are doing is buying keyboards nonstop it could get to the point where it could become pointless..  Most people buy a ton of keyboards and then try a ton of switches and brands till they settle on the best keyboard(for them).  I just like tearing keyboards apart and putting them back together.  There are collectors who like to pimp their boards and collect CF skulls, and the ergo crowd.  There is also people who ask for advice, buy one keyboard and are done with it.  Hope you don't become too cynical with everything in life >.<.

quite right,, i didn't mean for my statement to come across as cynicism,, but i suppose it can be seen that way.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 03:30:11 »
Quote from: stingrae;560131
Ergonomics, I am simply not comfortable typing on a 'normal' keyboard.

Basicly saying all hobbies are pointless is true but sometimes a hobby opens new avenues etc..

Martial arts is a 'useless' hobby, until one day you use technique. e.g. a break roll after being knocked off your bicycle.

Also you are forgetting that if your job is typing, why settle for anything but the best?


That's just it, even when your job is typing, (IT, developer, writer, student) the best keyboard still make only the smallest of difference in terms of productivity....

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 03:55:25 »
Achieving 60 WPM's on rubber domes isnt that easy, without heavily bottoming out.
+ rubber domes die withing a few weeks, after that, they start not registering keys.

Also, you are saying that beyond 60 WPM, its useless ? Damn, im just after writing a report last night, 5k words in it.
Cruising at 60WPM would take me 83 minutes just for the typing part, without correcting sentences etc ...

Typing at 80WPM as I do, 62,5 minutes. Damn, thats like a 20 minutes difference. So I just won 20 minutes on my evening, because I got a better keyboard.

And during my daytime job, being able to cruise around my files using arrows, shift, ctrl, home, end, pgup, pgdown, is just ... great while using a mech.

I could just go by with a rubber dome, the feel would be crappy, and they would just keep dying on me, and probably strain my fingers in the long run.

But then, there is a difference between having one or 2 mechs,and 6 of them.

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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 03:59:22 »
a bit of a serious topic here, ain't it...

... but let me just begin by saying, I agree with you.  

Keyboard enthusiasm is unlike most other hobbies.  Now, one could argue that it's similar to someone who collects tools.  However, if you really think about it, this hobby would only be the same if the aforementioned tool collector collects only hammers.  There comes a point when you've collected enough hammers to be able to accomplish any task that needs hammering.  If the collector chooses to collect beyond that point, then the collection grows beyond what is truly needed.  It then becomes a matter of picking which ball-peen hammer to use; red handle, blue handle or bare wood.

Personally, I know I expressed a desire to acquire a third keyboard after fulfilling my intended requirements.  Since I only use keyboards in two aspects of my life, work and home (games), I fulfilled those needs (wants) almost immediately one after the other with two different tools.  I had two requirements, space reduction and comfort.  The only keyboards that fulfilled the first requirement were keyboards without the keypad and if you look around most keyboards without keypards happen to be mechanical ones.  The latter requirement fell into place the more I looked into the technology of modern mechanical keyboards.  (Note: although I've used the old buckling springs back when I was learning to type in school and to program, I never found them to be truly comfortable--to each their own).  Now that I'm here and technically "Done", I'm finding it very difficult to justify the purchase of the third 'board because there simply isn't a NEED for it.  Sure, I WANT it, but I know I don't NEED it.  

The bottom line is it all depends on you, the hobbyist, how far you are willing to take your hobby (whatever that may be).
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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 04:09:39 »
Like 75% of geekhackers seem to be developers. Quite weird. I nearly feel as if i was on stack overflow.

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 06:24:52 »
Quote from: Squelos;560175
Like 75% of geekhackers seem to be developers. Quite weird. I nearly feel as if i was on stack overflow.

I don't bother with many code forums I find the forum layouts terribly messy :(...Speaking of which why isn't there a code forum on here?

As for ergonomics don't make a difference...my hands HURT after doing tons of writing/coding on my old keyboard so much so that I would soak them in warm water and was convinced something was actually wrong. I simply do not have this problem anymore. The tiredest my hands have been is playing a thirdperson shooter that I was moving way to much in due to habbit. Even then I did it for a couple of hours without any prolonged pain.

The other thing I noticed is having my mechanical keyboard makes me want to type so I might not do more work but I certainly enjoy the typing more.

Enjoyment is one of those things which can affect productivity and quallity however all of this when it comes to work ultimately depends on what you know?, what you have done in the past? and are you distracted?

e.g. the first time I wrote a class to write data to a file it took me atleast an hour to get it right, the second time I did it in 10 minutes and the code was shorter clearer and not using the old unsafe methods previously used.

The same could be said for a chair, I have a good chair (ok I don't have it, it is in England...). This made my life so much nicer, no more pain in the back, I could actually use the same chair to relax in and my posture was slightly improved. Did it result in more work? No not really but I was happier.

I enjoy being happy while a work, that's why I walk 10 minutes carrying my sennheiser headset and quickfire rapid :)!
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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 06:36:21 »
There are alot of developers and writers here, for obvious reasons. They're the ones do the most typing. I typed a lot at my old job. Sure I can type just as fast on a rubber dome, but it takes much less effort to type on my browns and reds. As an ex-sufferer of RSI, the less effort used in typing actually feels better than an ergonomic board. I am gonna have to live with these hands for the rest of my life, so saving a little wear and tear on them goes a long way.

Most hobbies look like waste of money and time to outsiders. I wouldn't even dare mention how much I spent on my cars here or people would be dialing for the looney house.

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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 09:03:23 »
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e.g. the first time I wrote a class to write data to a file it took me atleast an hour to get it right, the second time I did it in 10 minutes and the code was shorter clearer and not using the old unsafe methods previously used.

Are you saying that by having a good keyboard you mess up on purpose your code, just to type more ?
With a good keyboard, I just fly through the easy stuff. So the time saved typing, is time I spend on conception and design. Hence the increase in productivity.
Its quite noticeable when you type a lot.

But concerning the ergonomics point, I dont feel pain while typing on a rubber dome, but strain. Ive been working since 9AM this morning (its now 4PM), and my fingers are getting tired.

Im gonna go home, and just shoot out a few pages of doc, doing that on a rubber dome would just make me loose too much time. I just feel as if I cant loose anymore time because of my input devices. its like having a mouse that would click besides where you are pointing.

Would you tolerate that ? No, i wouldnt. Same thing for keyboards, if not worse, because I can do almost anything with my keyboard, cant be bothered switching from mouse to keyboard all the time. *tab* *tab* *tab*

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 10:31:58 »
Quote from: Squelos;560167
Achieving 60 WPM's on rubber domes isnt that easy, without heavily bottoming out.
+ rubber domes die withing a few weeks, after that, they start not registering keys.

Also, you are saying that beyond 60 WPM, its useless ? Damn, im just after writing a report last night, 5k words in it.
Cruising at 60WPM would take me 83 minutes just for the typing part, without correcting sentences etc ...

Typing at 80WPM as I do, 62,5 minutes. Damn, thats like a 20 minutes difference. So I just won 20 minutes on my evening, because I got a better keyboard.

And during my daytime job, being able to cruise around my files using arrows, shift, ctrl, home, end, pgup, pgdown, is just ... great while using a mech.

I could just go by with a rubber dome, the feel would be crappy, and they would just keep dying on me, and probably strain my fingers in the long run.

But then, there is a difference between having one or 2 mechs,and 6 of them.

I was tossing 60wpm as a lower bound,, however,, I can easily go up to 110-120 on a rubber dome with 95%+ accuracy.

I am not sure as to the rubber domes dying in weeks,, my parents both have their own computers keyboards since 2000s, it's been 11 years, they've yet to kill a keyboard, and they're as heavy a user as I am.

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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 10:46:53 »
Some people might get a little carried away but I think that most of us just loathe typing on rubber domes.
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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 10:58:56 »
Quote from: Shogunner;560079
Everything is nonsense when you think about it. We should all just off ourselves asap.


That's easy for you non-zombies to say.

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 10:59:42 »
If you use a certain tool lot, I think it is reasonable outcome that you invest significant amount on the tool that you use so much.

It is same for speakers, ear phones, head phones, and etc. If you use them more than ordinary people, you would want something more durable and nicer. As with everything, your marginal return decreases as you put in more money, effort, or time.

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 14:38:28 »
Quote from: Squelos;560327
Are you saying that by having a good keyboard you mess up on purpose your code, just to type more ?


You took me completely out of context.

Quote from: ME
however all of this when it comes to work ultimately depends on what you know?, what you have done in the past? and are you distracted?


By no means do I ever want to mess up my code, god that would be terrible especially since even as a research student I have deadlines in the form of meetings and tasks. The last thing i'd want is to have to redo code from scratch.

I was refering that you are far more dependant on experience and state of mind then the peripherals you use. Sometimes there are people who have a completely natural grasp of coding but I think most of the experienced programmers fall into the guru myth. Having seen programmers with 2 years more experience than their fellow beginners they progress faster and have a better grasp on problems. While this is obvious I think a lot of people can assign genius to experience.
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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 15:23:53 »
Quote from: ripster;560696
You try touchtyping on an iPad sometime.

It was humbling.

The key is Zen.


And a healthy trust in the auto-correct.  I can quasi-touch type on my tablet.  Basic words are OK, but punctuation requires looking at the keyboard.


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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 15:26:06 »
I can't type on a tablet. Only input that was acceptable was when I played with handwriting recognition on EP121. I wanted one pretty badly but never actually bought one. Now that I seen iPad3's screen. Ya I am not buying a tablet until it can match iPad's resolution.

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 15:29:45 »
mmm... a lot of stuff we do regarding to the mech boards are beyond our necessities, but that doesn't mean mech board is not better in a lot of typing aspects in practice.
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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 15:56:02 »
Quote from: pitashen;560724
mmm... a lot of stuff we do regarding to the mech boards are beyond our necessities, but that doesn't mean mech board is not better in a lot of typing aspects in practice.


We can throw around these intangible what ifs all day,,

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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 16:08:17 »
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We can throw around these intangible what ifs all day,,

you started this whole ifs thing. guess u haven't had enough such that this thread is still open for all the  tossing around of our views and comments :)
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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 16:52:31 »
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You took me completely out of context.



By no means do I ever want to mess up my code, god that would be terrible especially since even as a research student I have deadlines in the form of meetings and tasks. The last thing i'd want is to have to redo code from scratch.

I was refering that you are far more dependant on experience and state of mind then the peripherals you use. Sometimes there are people who have a completely natural grasp of coding but I think most of the experienced programmers fall into the guru myth. Having seen programmers with 2 years more experience than their fellow beginners they progress faster and have a better grasp on problems. While this is obvious I think a lot of people can assign genius to experience.

Oh, sorry I misunderstood you.

I do know that in the end, it doenst come down to your keyboard. But if we follow this way of thinking, you could also just use a visual keyboard, and click on every char.

When you are working on some thing, the last thing you want to think about is defective material. It just drives me wonkers when typing on a rubber dome because :
- within weeks of use, it gets crappy and harder
- it doesnt register 100% of the keys
- You dont know if it registered, so you have to look at what you are typing (being able to look at your class diagram and write a whole class by just looking at the diagram is pretty nice)
- to get closer to the 100% key hit, you press harder, and therefore stress your fingers.


I believe most of us here, just hate rubber domes now, because we all have tried mechanicals. Better layouts, better feel, better everything (even better on cost sometimes :D)

So being able to just concentrate on your work, in my opinion is great.

And to bounce off the guru myth, yeah, I totally agree. I'm still a student myself, but during my last few summers, I managed to get hired in order to do some short developments.
I have seen so many "devs" that are just ... aweful. I cant believe these guys got employed a year ago, and still havent been fired. On my last intership, I got one of the two developpers fired because : "the intern is like 5 times better than you".
But then this is France, we arent known to have the best developpers.
In order to sum up : I totally agree, some people have it in them, but most just dont. I can see it in my class, most of the students are here because they believe games are cool.

To the guy saying we dont just love keyboards, yes, I love my computer in general. Screens, mousepad, mouse, chair, height of the desk, headset, OS. Pretty much all our tools actually.

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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 19:15:11 »
Quote from: pitashen;560771
you started this whole ifs thing. guess u haven't had enough such that this thread is still open for all the  tossing around of our views and comments :)


I agree with most of you' guys'es comments.  It's just hard because I'm witnessing this hobby turning into mere fashion-slave consumerism..

I mean, come on,

personalized key-caps to adorn our keyboards

brand loyalty

matching accessories

___topre tkl
____topre numpad

___cherry tkl
____cherry numpad

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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 20:02:37 »
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I agree with most of you' guys'es comments.  It's just hard because I'm witnessing this hobby turning into mere fashion-slave consumerism..


That is how our current world operates. Welcome to the reality. You don't have to get into all these, but to be honest, there is no amount of things u can say that would stop others (like me~) from... being a keyboard ****.
« Last Edit: Thu, 29 March 2012, 20:04:55 by pitashen »
\\\\ DSI Mac Modular Keyboard (Brown) w/ Leo  Blank Keycaps //
\\\\ Leopold 87keys Keyboard (Brown) w/ Black CherryCorp + SP DoubleShots //
\\\\ Filco Majestouch 2 NINJA (Black) w/ White CherryCorp + SP DoublsShots //

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« Reply #38 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 20:25:27 »
There are many things to make hobbies from. If you are bored of this and have found the keyboard that is best fit for you, and you have no interest in the extras like keycaps and so on, you are free to stop visiting here.

Hobbies are merely something to sink spare time and money into, if it no longer satisfy and you have filled your need there is nothing more to do with it. There are lots of things here that don't particularly interest me anymore. I know what switches I like, so thats done. I know what keycaps I like so that is done, mostly. So why do I stick around? I have fun here, trading, and sharing my opinions and knowledge with others that enjoy using good equipment or seeking to acquire better equipment. Same reason I have been member and active on other general computer forums for so long. I see keyboards as a small subsection of computer hobby. Saying domes and mechanicals is same is like saying onboard Intel and top end nvidia is same, or VIA Eden is as good as Intel Ivy Bridge. Hardware enthusiasm is hardware enthusiasm, and if you want a high quality system it doesn't end inside the computer case.
Maybe there are some that are 'too enthusiastic' maybe you see me as on of those, but that is up to you, if you don't like something you can ignore it and carry on instead of rubbing sand in your clit.

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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 20:34:30 »
Quote from: tp4tissue;560928
I agree with most of you' guys'es comments.  It's just hard because I'm witnessing this hobby turning into mere fashion-slave consumerism..

I mean, come on,

personalized key-caps to adorn our keyboards

brand loyalty

matching accessories

___topre tkl
____topre numpad

___cherry tkl
____cherry numpad

Wow. Just wow.

I'll just leave these here.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27874-Typing-Games-Love-to-type&p=530012&viewfull=1#post530012

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27473-Ragnarok-Red-on-Black-87-104-Keyset-Order-Thread-MONEY-SENT-ETA-APRIL-10TH&p=537617&viewfull=1#post537617

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27473-Ragnarok-Red-on-Black-87-104-Keyset-Order-Thread-MONEY-SENT-ETA-APRIL-10TH&p=537253&viewfull=1#post537253

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« Reply #40 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 22:09:14 »
I like the way my keyboard feels.  I like the way my PBT caps feel.  Both were a worthwhile investment so far.  In 2 years when they still feel this good vs. the rubberdome that turned to painful crap in that much time, I'll know the entire answer.
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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 08:45:59 »
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I like the way my keyboard feels.  I like the way my PBT caps feel.  Both were a worthwhile investment so far.  In 2 years when they still feel this good vs. the rubberdome that turned to painful crap in that much time, I'll know the entire answer.

they will almost certainly feel 5g lighter if they're cherrymx

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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 09:18:06 »
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Also you are forgetting that if your job is typing, why settle for anything but the best?


This pretty much sums up my thoughts.  I'm not into keyboards as a passtime type of hobby so much as wanting to be educated on what is the best for me.  I have to spend a lot of time at a keyboard and even since I was a kid I knew that I just clicked with some boards more than others.  It wasn't until I started lurking at GH that I started to understand what I liked, why, and how to make better choices

If you had to eat cheese for a living, would you just spend your whole life eating Cheez Whiz?  Or would you broaden your horizons, discover what you like, and tune your purchases for pleasure.

Yes, I know some probably would eat Cheez Whiz all day.

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« Reply #44 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 10:11:22 »
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If you had to eat cheese for a living, would you just spend your whole life eating Cheez Whiz?

Yes, I know some probably would eat Cheez Whiz all day.

Man, that ain't even CHEESE!
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« Reply #45 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 10:24:54 »
So the topic become a philosophical debate about whether we should have an hobby and spend our money on it.

Be it keyboards, mice, cars, coins, online games, or girls, hobbies do not give us any meanings or longterm happiness. We can only change hobbies from one to another.

Addiction remains the same, but the object of the addiction may change from keyboards to girls. Much better.

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 10:25:56 »
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Man, that ain't even CHEESE!

Next you will be saying that Froot Loops don't contain real froot.

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« Reply #47 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 12:15:19 »
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So, we dropped serious dime on a keyboard, now we must continuously affirm our decision?
[...]
No realistic benefits,  Even assuming mechanical keys are simply better in every physical way
[...]
Mechanical keyboards are usually physically more attractive
I am a software programmer by profession. I type on a computer keyboard, day in and day out. It is the most important physical tool in my trade. That is why the keyboard matters to me.
I got pain in my fingers from using a Dell rubber dome at work and decided that I needed a keyboard with a softer touch.
I bought a used Compaq MX-11800 with MX Browns on eBay for one Euro, customized it to have a more familiar layout (serious tinkering) and took it to work. The pain in my fingers receded. I got remarks from co-workers that my keyboard looked like crap beside their Apple Aluminium keyboards. (A year later I painted it, replaced the key caps and got cheers instead, but that is beside the point.)

So there!
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« Reply #48 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 12:20:14 »
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It took you 358 posts to figure that out?

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« Reply #49 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 13:53:09 »
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Man, that ain't even CHEESE!


That's why it is spelled "Cheez"

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