Review I found on the BlackWidow - your thoughts?

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I see a lot of folks "dis" Razer keyboards a lot, so I did some research on them to see what the deal is. I own a BlackWidow Expert, and I haven't ever had any issues out of it and wondered if I'm an oddity or something.

Anyway, I found this review on Overclock.net about the board: http://www.overclock.net/t/882561/review-razer-blackwidow-ultimate

The reviewer gave it a really good rating, and did a very thorough break-down of the board. They took it apart and everything. I'm wondering if you guys have seen this before. If not, please take a look. If you have, let me know what your thoughts are, if this review changes your mind about Razer (or this board) at all, or if you still hate them, etc. 

I am kind of impressed after seeing that review, and so was the reviewer it looks like. So, I''m interested in your opinions here since you guys seem to be more of a Costar crowd, where I think the Razer board is iOne, right?

Anyway, just interested in the community thoughts on this review. If this has been posted before somewhere I'm sorry - I'm relatively new here.

[wetto]

Surely does looks like a nice hardware, I mean, just look at a comparison between an Costar made keyboard's hardware (Das Keyboard Model S) and this iOne Razer Blackwidow.






Wow, and they even cost the same! Props up for Razer, really...

[xyril]

Well razer blackwiddow (expert) is the cheapest mechanical keyboard on the market (in terms of "gaming" product")  .

I satisfied using it for 1 year. I use it mainly for gaming and typing ,but there are several problems i faced with blackwiddow (since its known to its bad quality i expect this to happen anyway).

The build quality of the keyboard is fine for me , but the main cause of the problem is the wire connector. Since i travel alot  to LANs, i have to  warp the wire around the keyboard. The wire itself its very thin thought.... i would be happiest man on planet if i got MEKA G1 instead. Because of the wire cord (is like 1.1cm thicknes)...

sry for my bad english thou.. :S

[wetto]

I don't even know why gamers would pay for a Razer Blackwidow if they can buy for the US$ 120 range:

1. Cooler Master Trigger (which has 4 different models, with different Cherry MX switches each) which is made by Costar.
2. Thermaltake Meka G-Unit, also made by Costar.
3. Filco Majestouch-2, also made by Costar.
4. Ozone Strike (this one isn't cheap in the US, but is cheap in Europe and other countries) which is made by Costar.
5. Thermaltake Meka G1, also made by Costar.

So, there isn't a lack of options better than the Blackwidow, but why do people buy it? Appearance's sake and due to the Razer logo.

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Surely does looks like a nice hardware, I mean, just look at a comparison between an Costar made keyboard's hardware (Das Keyboard Model S) and this iOne Razer Blackwidow.

Wow, and they even cost the same! Props up for Razer, really...

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I don't know you very well. Plus this is the internet. Could you clarify what you meant? I'm no expert at looking at the boards, so sorry if it's obvious to everyone else because it isn't to me.

[Xplaced]

I don't even know why gamers would pay for a Razer Blackwidow if they can buy for the US$ 120 range:

1. Cooler Master Trigger (which has 4 different models, with different Cherry MX switches each) which is made by Costar.
2. Thermaltake Meka G-Unit, also made by Costar.
3. Filco Majestouch-2, also made by Costar.
4. Ozone Strike (this one isn't cheap in the US, but is cheap in Europe and other countries) which is made by Costar.
5. Thermaltake Meka G1, also made by Costar.

So, there isn't a lack of options better than the Blackwidow, but why do people buy it? Appearance's sake and due to the Razer logo.

You keep saying "Costar made". But I don't get why that's better. I've asked that before on here, and I didn't get any real answers, so I'm wondering if you could elaborate? What sources do you have, etc.? Is there a link already on this forum that you could point me to that would explain which is better than the other and why?

I'm not trying to stick up for Razer, so don't get me wrong. I just really don't get why folks bash them so hard when I've had one for a year + and it's worked fine and feels good. I have two QuickFire Rapids and I'm trying to decide which one to keep, but I can't tell that they are any better build than the Razer just by using them.

Also, the xpensive Razer is backlit (the Ultimate). I think that is what adds to the price of $140, since the Expert model (older model, not 2013) is only $70 now in some stores. That's the one I have btw. You can get the "old" version for close to $100 now though with backlighting, which at that price point isn't too bad. I do agree that Razer is overprice on their Ultimate line though. $140 is so expensive!

I'm trying out a BlackWidow Ultimate 2013, and I am going to return it. It is a great board, but I don't like it enough more to keep it for the price vs the Rapids. It isn't a quality thing though, for sure. I sure do love that backlighting though. The thing is so loud though that my wife would never be around me when I use it. Ha!  For some that might be a good thing, but we just got married recently so I want to keep her around a little longer.

[tp4tissue]

I don't even know why gamers would pay for a Razer Blackwidow if they can buy for the US$ 120 range:

1. Cooler Master Trigger (which has 4 different models, with different Cherry MX switches each) which is made by Costar.
2. Thermaltake Meka G-Unit, also made by Costar.
3. Filco Majestouch-2, also made by Costar.
4. Ozone Strike (this one isn't cheap in the US, but is cheap in Europe and other countries) which is made by Costar.
5. Thermaltake Meka G1, also made by Costar.

So, there isn't a lack of options better than the Blackwidow, but why do people buy it? Appearance's sake and due to the Razer logo.

You keep saying "Costar made". But I don't get why that's better. I've asked that before on here, and I didn't get any real answers, so I'm wondering if you could elaborate? What sources do you have, etc.? Is there a link already on this forum that you could point me to that would explain which is better than the other and why?

I'm not trying to stick up for Razer, so don't get me wrong. I just really don't get why folks bash them so hard when I've had one for a year + and it's worked fine and feels good. I have two QuickFire Rapids and I'm trying to decide which one to keep, but I can't tell that they are any better build than the Razer just by using them.

Also, the xpensive Razer is backlit (the Ultimate). I think that is what adds to the price of $140, since the Expert model (older model, not 2013) is only $70 now in some stores. That's the one I have btw. You can get the "old" version for close to $100 now though with backlighting, which at that price point isn't too bad. I do agree that Razer is overprice on their Ultimate line though. $140 is so expensive!

I'm trying out a BlackWidow Ultimate 2013, and I am going to return it. It is a great board, but I don't like it enough more to keep it for the price vs the Rapids. It isn't a quality thing though, for sure. I sure do love that backlighting though. The thing is so loud though that my wife would never be around me when I use it. Ha!  For some that might be a good thing, but we just got married recently so I want to keep her around a little longer.

Two of several big boyz' out there making keyboards are Costar and iONE

Costar has a good history of making keyboards of good quality and low failure rates.

iONE has a history of making the Black Widow, which sucks ass, and involved in rampant failure rates. They also produced K60 and K90, both of which ALSO suck ass, as those 2 keyboards plain don't work right, and has key sticking.

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Thanks for the info tp4tissue. Is that history based on a fact sheet somewhere, or just posts on this board, other boards, etc? When I look at reviews on retail sites, the Razer boards are showing 4/5 stars, eggs, whatever you want to call it. I notice that the Rapid boards, a lot of them are 5/5. But, there are like, 400+ reviews on the Razer stuff because it has more market reach I guess, whereas there are something like 80+ reviews on the Rapids. I'm referring to sites like Newegg and Amazon mostly.

I guess it just boils down to getting a good board or not with Razer. If you get a good one, I guess it'll work OK and last a while and not cause issues, and if you like the feel then that's a good board for you. But if you get a Costar/Rapid board, you will be more likely to get a working one from the start.

I wonder if that's because more Razer boards are sold, so a higher percentage are likely to fail? Or if it's just that Razers are not as good? It's hard to know, because we can only go by what are on posted boards like this, and retail site reviews. And even then, not everyone who has one gets on a forum or a retail site and reviews it.

Too many factors involved! Ha! I opened a can of worms with this post I think. Well, probably not really. I think most folks here seem pretty much against iONE.

Right now my dilemma is I have two Rapids, a brown and a Red, and I can't decide which one I want to keep and I need to decide so I can ship one back! Ha! Tough decision....

[IvanIvanovich]

Most of the issues with iOne produced boards have to do with poor assembly. They are notorious for really, really bad soldering which is what causes so much failures. There used to be a bunch of photos of this on here on the old version of the site that showed how bad it was. Lots of solder joint that were big globs, some that bridged traces, soldermask all over everything, stray solder, and so on. Solder joint on the switch should look like a nice shiny tent, not a dull grey ball. Bad joint will break off easily, which will make at least that switch stop working, stray broken off solder can go anywhere and bridge something that could cause a short and fry the controller for example.
It's not isolated to the BW, but anything they have oem, like qpad, adesso, xarmor, tessoro, max and the dozen or so other rebrands they do.

I hope you don't send the board you don't like as rma just because you don't like it. That's not good to do. If you don't mind selling to Europe, I know a lot of people would potentially be willing to buy one as they can't easily get other switch type but black there.

[terrpn]

if i had known then what i know now i would not have bought a bwu, however it has been a solid board since purchasing and everything works flawlessly.

i did however have to defile some ds cherry caps and swap out the ones that came with it- which makes it more tolerable aesthetically. it does have some serious backlit when turned to highest setting.

since being here for a while i know better now and what to buy and not buy

[wetto]

Besides, the Razer Blackwidow isn't the biggest fiasco that came out from iOne... XArmor keyboards are terrible based on the reviews I've seen and the Aziotech Levetron Mech4 was probably the worst thing they ever made.



Just check its reviews on Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823839010



Most people aren't actually bashing Razer, but its OEM. The strange thing, is that no one defends Corsair's keyboards quality here, only occasionally you see a Razer fanboy getting mad at our opinions, but hey, why is there no one defending Corsair? Why no one defends the Aziotech Levetron Mech4? Why no one defends the Cooler Master Quickfire Pro units produced by iOne?

[IvanIvanovich]

I think the Azio and Corsair were actually made by iRocks, not iOne. Asides from the iOne Scorpius that has a layout vaugely like the Cherry 1800, they have always stuck with the 1.5 1 1.5 6 1.5 1 1 1.5 bottom row. iRocks on the other hand like to use all sorts of different bizzare keyspacing there. In regards to the Azio, yes it is hideous, but I haven't seen complaints about the build quality. As for the Corsair, all it's problems stem from incorporating rubber domes for absolutely no good reason which seems to be why there are so many behavior problems stemming from thier bizarre code they had to implement for the firmware to attempt to account for behavior chrachteristics of 2 wildly different switch types. Otherwise the build quality is quite nice.
iRocks is also the oem for the new Rosewill backlight model, and likely the new Logitech, and the upcoming CM TK.
They also made the Tt meka original with the whack layout, and the g-unit.

[wetto]

I think the Azio and Corsair were actually made by iRocks, not iOne. Asides from the iOne Scorpius that has a layout vaugely like the Cherry 1800, they have always stuck with the 1.5 1 1.5 6 1.5 1 1 1.5 bottom row. iRocks on the other hand like to use all sorts of different bizzare keyspacing there. In regards to the Azio, yes it is hideous, but I haven't seen complaints about the build quality. As for the Corsair, all it's problems stem from incorporating rubber domes for absolutely no good reason which seems to be why there are so many behavior problems stemming from thier bizarre code they had to implement for the firmware to attempt to account for behavior chrachteristics of 2 wildly different switch types. Otherwise the build quality is quite nice.
iRocks is also likely the oem for the new Logitech, the backlight Rosewill model, and the upcoming CM TK.

Then check again the Newegg reviews section regarding it... Jesus, this may be one of the worst mechanical keybooards ever made.

[Neo.X]

As a current BWU owner, I have to purchase a Filco to feel the true feel of Blue switch.

One good thing about BWU is that it does look very nice with the backlit, so as other Razer products. And put some o-rings, it helps.

[Xplaced]

if i had known then what i know now i would not have bought a bwu, however it has been a solid board since purchasing and everything works flawlessly.

i did however have to defile some ds cherry caps and swap out the ones that came with it- which makes it more tolerable aesthetically. it does have some serious backlit when turned to highest setting.

since being here for a while i know better now and what to buy and not buy

That backlighting is freaking cool, huh? On the new green one for sure. It's so bright, honestly I don't think I'd ever use it on the full brightness. I think it would be a good board for someone, but I'm just going to stick with browns/reds I think. Only other thing I might do is get a Rapid with blues, because I like their feel. They're just too loud for my wife. For me, they're great though. Browns seem to be the closest thing for me to blues, and reds are OK I think if I can get used to them. I'm comparing a brown/red combo now, so we'll see what I end up with. I'm thinking it will probably be the browns, though I like the look of the red board a little more. Looks aren't what a keyboard is for though. However, backlighting is cool....

[tp4tissue]

Most of the issues with iOne produced boards have to do with poor assembly. They are notorious for really, really bad soldering which is what causes so much failures. There used to be a bunch of photos of this on here on the old version of the site that showed how bad it was. Lots of solder joint that were big globs, some that bridged traces, soldermask all over everything, stray solder, and so on. Solder joint on the switch should look like a nice shiny tent, not a dull grey ball. Bad joint will break off easily, which will make at least that switch stop working, stray broken off solder can go anywhere and bridge something that could cause a short and fry the controller for example.
It's not isolated to the BW, but anything they have oem, like qpad, adesso, xarmor, tessoro, max and the dozen or so other rebrands they do.

I hope you don't send the board you don't like as rma just because you don't like it. That's not good to do. If you don't mind selling to Europe, I know a lot of people would potentially be willing to buy one as they can't easily get other switch type but black there.

Oh reallly?

Fvck Razer..... Fvck Corsair.... Both those m0thafvckers screwed me on 5 different keyboards total.. Fvck fvck fvck..... FVCK

[TheQsanity]

Lol. Go on ebay and search up the BlackWidow and any other keyboard you want. How many of the Black Widows are sold "for parts" "as-is" "for parts not working"? and compare to another board. I'm sure the new Razer BlackWidows are fixed up some how. They had many issues upon release. These were issues that I have found during my research of the BlackWidow. I knew what I was getting into but the Back-lighting got to me(I have faced half of these problems myself):

• they had thin and brittle keycaps
• they had 2kro(with optimized matrix that failed to work below the wasd area and other places on the board
• "anti-ghosting" is a nothing but a marketing tool
• larger keys stabilizer inserts were thinner
• stubs on the stabilizer inserts were shorter and fell out
• common space bar stickage
• ctrl key stickage
• shift key stickage
• caps lock stickage
• rubber feet falling off
• collectors editions have the same faulty hardware
• Razer is like the Mac of peripherals(Upgrade for the this years new product is!: A new color! but the old color is no longer available_{but we will re-release the old color in one or two seasons from now})
• software is not the best(if it takes up your computer's resource to use the software then how is it going to help you get ahead of the game, it will only slow you down) if I'm paying that much I would like some on-board memory

That is all but this is a reference to last years BlackWidow and the new one is new and there is not very much information on it. I wouldn't mind to know if they fixed all of that but I wouldn't pay that much money again just to be disappointed again. Think what you want as it doesn't matter what other people say, you think what you want about your board. The list above was issues that users came across and if you didn't have issues then that's good for you, but doesn't mean that other people haven't had issues. There are good things about the BlackWidow also but you asked for the the problems so here you are. If you want me to list the "pro's" too I can...

Though I dislike Razer now, before I owned a Razer product I was a fan and wanted to try them out because they had so much selection with so many different cosmetic styles, I had to try them all! Even though my current mouse, the Razer Lachesis was a total bust and doesn't fit the hand very naturally at all.  I am currently thinking about getting a new mouse and one of the ones on my list is the Razer Taipan, the successor of the Lachesis... But it is still very new, I think I will wait till I hear about the problems, a price drop, or when an upgraded version comes out a year from now. Yes, I know, I am a fool. Lol.

[wetto]

Though I dislike Razer now, before I owned a Razer product I was a fan and wanted to try them out because they had so much selection with so many different cosmetic styles, I had to try them all! Even though my current mouse, the Razer Lachesis was a total bust and doesn't fit the hand very naturally at all.  I am currently thinking about getting a new mouse and one of the ones on my list is the Razer Taipan, the successor of the Lachesis... But it is still very new, I think I will wait till I hear about the problems, a price drop, or when an upgraded version comes out a year from now. Yes, I know, I am a fool. Lol.

I also dislike Razer, after buying some of their products (a ****ing bugged Razer Imperator and a Razer Deathadder which I paid more than my current Corsair M60, which is far far far better), but believe or not, based on the specs they used, the laser sensor (which isn't that god damn Philips Twin Eye) and the mouse style, I think that maybe the Raizer Taipan is indeed a good mouse.

But o' well, not like you can't really buy stuff as good as or maybe even better for less money...

[IvanIvanovich]

2013 version - matte case, green led, improved KRO. All the other cons are still present more than likely. Basically they took the stealth version and made it the general version, but kept with blues.

[wetto]

2013 version - matte case, green led, improved KRO. All the other cons are still present more than likely. Basically they took the stealth version and made it the general version, but kept with blues.

If there's an improved KRO, hasn't the keyboard's circuit been like, totally overhauled?

[TheQsanity]

Though I dislike Razer now, before I owned a Razer product I was a fan and wanted to try them out because they had so much selection with so many different cosmetic styles, I had to try them all! Even though my current mouse, the Razer Lachesis was a total bust and doesn't fit the hand very naturally at all.  I am currently thinking about getting a new mouse and one of the ones on my list is the Razer Taipan, the successor of the Lachesis... But it is still very new, I think I will wait till I hear about the problems, a price drop, or when an upgraded version comes out a year from now. Yes, I know, I am a fool. Lol.

I also dislike Razer, after buying some of their products (a ****ing bugged Razer Imperator and a Razer Deathadder which I paid more than my current Corsair M60, which is far far far better), but believe or not, based on the specs they used, the laser sensor (which isn't that god damn Philips Twin Eye) and the mouse style, I think that maybe the Raizer Taipan is indeed a good mouse.

But o' well, not like you can't really buy stuff as good as or maybe even better for less money...

My Lachesis is kind of faulty. I figured out it was due to their software, lol.

[wetto]

Though I dislike Razer now, before I owned a Razer product I was a fan and wanted to try them out because they had so much selection with so many different cosmetic styles, I had to try them all! Even though my current mouse, the Razer Lachesis was a total bust and doesn't fit the hand very naturally at all.  I am currently thinking about getting a new mouse and one of the ones on my list is the Razer Taipan, the successor of the Lachesis... But it is still very new, I think I will wait till I hear about the problems, a price drop, or when an upgraded version comes out a year from now. Yes, I know, I am a fool. Lol.

I also dislike Razer, after buying some of their products (a ****ing bugged Razer Imperator and a Razer Deathadder which I paid more than my current Corsair M60, which is far far far better), but believe or not, based on the specs they used, the laser sensor (which isn't that god damn Philips Twin Eye) and the mouse style, I think that maybe the Raizer Taipan is indeed a good mouse.

But o' well, not like you can't really buy stuff as good as or maybe even better for less money...

My Lachesis is kind of faulty. I figured out it was due to their software, lol.

My old Razer Deathadder 3.5G also crashed and did some crazy stuff as soon as I updated it. Then, I downgraded and it went back to where it previously was.

Talking about that, isn't Synapse 2.0 like, ULTRA-BAD according even to Razer Fanboys?

[IvanIvanovich]

No, same pcb can be used. Cherry does it quite often. For example use same pcb for vanilla 2KRO 3000 and 6KRO 3494, different firmware only.

[wetto]

No, same pcb can be used. Cherry does it quite often. For example use same pcb for vanilla 2KRO 3000 and 6KRO 3494, different firmware only.

Well, there is indeed a different firmware since USB doesn't normally accepts over 6KRO, but, won't some parts of the keyboard remain 2KRO as it was before?

[Sifo]

lol my friend has a Black Widow, I took a quick peak at it. Ew. For that price I'd stick to CM, feels like I'm paying too much for some spare parts.

[TheQsanity]

for some spare parts.

That is what it is... Check ebay.

[BucklingSpring]

Besides, the Razer Blackwidow isn't the biggest fiasco that came out from iOne...
XArmor keyboards are terrible based on the reviews I've seen and the Aziotech Levetron Mech4 was probably the worst thing they ever made.

+1

Btw the XArmor I gave to someone I hate is no longer working.
Good for him, he had it coming :-)

[Sifo]

+1

Btw the XArmor I gave to someone I hate is no longer working.
Good for him, he had it coming :-)

LOL evil.

[sovano]

Besides, the Razer Blackwidow isn't the biggest fiasco that came out from iOne... XArmor keyboards are terrible based on the reviews I've seen and the Aziotech Levetron Mech4 was probably the worst thing they ever made.

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Just check its reviews on Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823839010



Most people aren't actually bashing Razer, but its OEM. The strange thing, is that no one defends Corsair's keyboards quality here, only occasionally you see a Razer fanboy getting mad at our opinions, but hey, why is there no one defending Corsair? Why no one defends the Aziotech Levetron Mech4? Why no one defends the Cooler Master Quickfire Pro units produced by iOne?

That's one of the ugliest looking keyboards I've seen in a while...who even conceived of such a horrific design? Anyways it's no mystery that Razer keyboards are just terrible. The only reason people buy them is either they are: inexperienced, fell for the aesthetics, backlighting, and/or the amount of advertising they do (which is A LOT, and they do it well). I can't tell you how many times I've had to go to a tech support forum on sites I go to and read how "my Razer BWU broke" or "X-Y-Z key is not working right". If they just fixed their quality control on the keyboards and switched OEM manufacturers, I'm sure they'd be a more respectable brand.

[wetto]

Besides, the Razer Blackwidow isn't the biggest fiasco that came out from iOne... XArmor keyboards are terrible based on the reviews I've seen and the Aziotech Levetron Mech4 was probably the worst thing they ever made.

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Just check its reviews on Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823839010



Most people aren't actually bashing Razer, but its OEM. The strange thing, is that no one defends Corsair's keyboards quality here, only occasionally you see a Razer fanboy getting mad at our opinions, but hey, why is there no one defending Corsair? Why no one defends the Aziotech Levetron Mech4? Why no one defends the Cooler Master Quickfire Pro units produced by iOne?

That's one of the ugliest looking keyboards I've seen in a while...who even conceived of such a horrific design? Anyways it's no mystery that Razer keyboards are just terrible. The only reason people buy them is either they are: inexperienced, fell for the aesthetics, backlighting, and/or the amount of advertising they do (which is A LOT, and they do it well). I can't tell you how many times I've had to go to a tech support forum on sites I go to and read how "my Razer BWU broke" or "X-Y-Z key is not working right". If they just fixed their quality control on the keyboards and switched OEM manufacturers, I'm sure they'd be a more respectable brand.

Sure, but that affects their profits. The cheaper it is, the bigger the profits are. Everyone knows that focusing resources on marketing makes your product sell more than focusing resources on the product's quality control.

[TheQsanity]

Like Apple. Where would the be without advertisements?

[cosmonauti]

I've just replaced my original-got-it-launch-day BWU with a new one (for $0 ) - not the 2013 edition. I must say that this newer board feels better. There really wasn't a ton of wear on my old board but some of the keys felt a bit loose. On this new one, however, the only somewhat noticeably wobbly key is the right shift, probably because it's the largest key besides the spacebar. The spacebar could be more solid, but I am overall more pleased with the recent board than my first. Maybe they've tightened up their QC, maybe I got lucky with this newer one.

Just throwing it out there.

[lazerpointer]

First mech I had was the BWU. I must say, Razer does make the best mouse ever, the Razer Naga which I use at work and at home. In hindsight, that blackwidow was just cheesy and an okay starter big-boy keyboard.

[rowdy]

An okay starter, but at a premium price for a starter.

Unless you specifically want backlighting, a CM QFR or similar would be much cheaper.

[lazerpointer]

To be honest, I was completely unaware the CM Storm keyboards were even around back then. Had I known about it I could have saved money. Anyways, I only insist on back lighting in the cave cause at work, there's always light... Ordered some blank PBT keys for my CM Rapid at work ^_^

[ih8]

I'm surprised you can't feel a quality difference between the BW and the QFR.

[wetto]

I'm surprised you can't feel a quality difference between the BW and the QFR.

Then again, I even found a guy on the internet saying that the Razer Blackwidow's quality wasn't inferior to his Das Keyboard (but wait, he did made a five pages review, disassembled the thing and that was a review sample)... Ow well...

[tp4tissue]

I'm surprised you can't feel a quality difference between the BW and the QFR.

Then again, I even found a guy on the internet saying that the Razer Blackwidow's quality wasn't inferior to his Das Keyboard (but wait, he did made a five pages review, disassembled the thing and that was a review sample)... Ow well...

it's 1 guy, outta how many of the "REST OF US" here who got screwed by RAZER...

[rowdy]

When I started looking for a mechanical keyboard earlier this year the first one (and only one) I found that matched my criteria was the BWU.  It had to be mac layout (command/option, eject etc.) and backlit.

I joined here and asked a few questions and did some research, and eventually settled on a Ducky Shine.

The only thing missing from the Ducky Shine was the eject key, but I installed a background app that put an icon on the menu bar that does eject (not that the optical drive in my Mac is especially reliable anyway).

Since then no worries at all.  But I do wonder what life would have been like had I bought the BWU.

[wetto]

I'm surprised you can't feel a quality difference between the BW and the QFR.

Then again, I even found a guy on the internet saying that the Razer Blackwidow's quality wasn't inferior to his Das Keyboard (but wait, he did made a five pages review, disassembled the thing and that was a review sample)... Ow well...

it's 1 guy, outta how many of the "REST OF US" here who got screwed by RAZER...

It's one guy who probably got something in return for doing that review...  )

[lazerpointer]

I'm surprised you can't feel a quality difference between the BW and the QFR.

I do know the Costar stabilizers are smoother / easier to press down than the Cherry stabilizers but using a Costar stabilizer over a Cherry won't raise my productivity any... the Cherry one just seems kinda mushy in comparison. I tend to ignore this.

[tp4tissue]

When I started looking for a mechanical keyboard earlier this year the first one (and only one) I found that matched my criteria was the BWU.  It had to be mac layout (command/option, eject etc.) and backlit.

I joined here and asked a few questions and did some research, and eventually settled on a Ducky Shine.

The only thing missing from the Ducky Shine was the eject key, but I installed a background app that put an icon on the menu bar that does eject (not that the optical drive in my Mac is especially reliable anyway).

Since then no worries at all.  But I do wonder what life would have been like had I bought the BWU.

Had you bought the BWU, your girlfriend/wife would've left you for a better man, a man with a "costar" built magical wonder.

[TheQsanity]

When I started looking for a mechanical keyboard earlier this year the first one (and only one) I found that matched my criteria was the BWU.  It had to be mac layout (command/option, eject etc.) and backlit.

I joined here and asked a few questions and did some research, and eventually settled on a Ducky Shine.

The only thing missing from the Ducky Shine was the eject key, but I installed a background app that put an icon on the menu bar that does eject (not that the optical drive in my Mac is especially reliable anyway).

Since then no worries at all.  But I do wonder what life would have been like had I bought the BWU.

Had you bought the BWU, your girlfriend/wife would've left you for a better man, a man with a "costar" built magical wonder.

Lolz.. You probably would have bought 10 more board just to before you filled in the hole in which the BWU left you...

[wetto]

Call me the day Razer Keyboards can handle stuff like this.

And hell, I'm pretty sure my Das Keyboard also works as a melee weapon.

[tp4tissue]

Call me the day Razer Keyboards can handle stuff like this.

And hell, I'm pretty sure my Das Keyboard also works as a melee weapon.

Plate mounted really helps.

[Skull_Angel]

I do know the Costar stabilizers are smoother / easier to press down than the Cherry stabilizers but using a Costar stabilizer over a Cherry won't raise my productivity any... the Cherry one just seems kinda mushy in comparison. I tend to ignore this.

Having tried both stabilizers on a few boards (mostly MX Red), I felt very little difference between the two except when bottoming out. I couldn't speak for the Blackwidows or other iOne boards, but I don't notice any difference in travel other than the Cherry stabilizers feeling like they have less play in most cases.

[rowdy]

Had you bought the BWU, your girlfriend/wife would've left you for a better man, a man with a "costar" built magical wonder.

Nah, she was like "why do you want to spend so much on a keyboard" to start with, but she can see how happy I am now.

Plus she ordered a CM QFR for me today

[Carefoot]

I used a black widow for a few months in Seoul.  I upgraded to my HHKB2 now that I have from here. I don't really miss it.  I found the keys to be very large, and I found it to have a plastic like feel that my Filco never had.   Got my Filco after fruitdealer won GSL Season 1 with it.   Yayr.

[TheQsanity]

I used a black widow for a few months in Seoul.  I upgraded to my HHKB2 now that I have from here. I don't really miss it.  I found the keys to be very large, and I found it to have a plastic like feel that my Filco never had.   Got my Filco after fruitdealer won GSL Season 1 with it.   Yayr.

A free keyboard from fruit dealer?

[Sifo]

WTF you got a keyboard from fruit dealer? I want it.