Black - May be the most consistent-fastest switch for ultimate typing.

[tp4tissue]

I've been thinking a great deal about switches lately because I am trying to break 135wpm. Currently using MX Blue

And I've come to the conclusion that MX - Black has the best attributes

Reason 1, its linear-smooth, so it will spring back faster than Green or White

Reason 2, its Heavy spring, more force, again, faster than linear RED

Reason 3, Sean Wrona uses it. 


Why BLUE is bad.. and linear is superior.. Tactility is useless

I used to think, I "need" the feedback like "Hit-Confirm" in a fighting game.

However, As I improved in skill I realized that I am incredibly fast and accurate without relying on feedback. There is simply no time to feel the response of the key at High speeds.

So, the low spring force of the Blue certainly gets in the way of typing double letters "MORE" quickly like  Lettttter, willlll, missssiiiiissssiiipppiii.

The only function of the CLICK if not relied upon for "hit confirm" is to get in the way of the key snapping back.. so it is now only a hindrance to Ultimate speed

With that we weed out the White, Brown, and Green, because the tactility is completely useless...


The little bumps on the White and the Brown will hinder the return travel of the key, just like the click of the Blue and the Green,

Even if it isn't "as much", it is still "in the way"



Thus, I conclude MX Black to be the best geared switch for Speed typing...


Topre is also out of the running because it is also slow for double tap letters.

[oneproduct]

You could argue that having a heavier spring makes it worse since you need to apply more force to activate the switch which could instead be used to start moving to press the next key. Also, if you just pushed the switch to the activation point rather than the bottom, the power of the spring wouldn't matter because it would reset instantly.

[nullstring]

You could argue that having a heavier spring makes it worse since you need to apply more force to activate the switch which could instead be used to start moving to press the next key. Also, if you just pushed the switch to the activation point rather than the bottom, the power of the spring wouldn't matter because it would reset instantly.

Agreed.

[rowdy]

That kinda makes sense.  It doesn't matter how much force you need to use to press the key down, the import thing is that the key springs back up as quickly as possible, ready for the next press.

Black springs would provide this more so than blue.

How about MX greens as a half-way compromise?

[precarious]

http://data.typeracer.com/pit/profile?user=cmalmquist
http://data.typeracer.com/pit/profile?user=precariousgray

Browns on my Filco w/ Cherry dyesub PBT and a stock Dolch with blues.

F' your linear switches, son.  I still need to try clears/grays, too.

Are you sure Sean uses blacks?  He told me he was using a Das Keyboard he won, do they have blacks?

[oneproduct]

I think it goes both ways. I do worse on blacks than I do on browns, blues or reds because I find it takes too much force to press down the keys, which slows me do because I have to make sure that I press them hard enough to activate them. I can't just lightly press it and get it to work, and that slows down the time between key presses. The individual switch resetting only matters for double letters, whereas lighter switches would be better for everything else.

[tp4tissue]

You could argue that having a heavier spring makes it worse since you need to apply more force to activate the switch which could instead be used to start moving to press the next key. Also, if you just pushed the switch to the activation point rather than the bottom, the power of the spring wouldn't matter because it would reset instantly.

No, the heavy spring would NOT hinder your input speed, because the weight and power of your hand can more than enough overcome the force of the switch..

What your hands can't do is make the switch rebound faster....

[tp4tissue]

http://data.typeracer.com/pit/profile?user=cmalmquist
http://data.typeracer.com/pit/profile?user=precariousgray

Browns on my Filco w/ Cherry dyesub PBT and a stock Dolch with blues.

F' your linear switches, son.  I still need to try clears/grays, too.

Are you sure Sean uses blacks?  He told me he was using a Das Keyboard he won, do they have blacks?

According to his latest Youtube posts he said "black" but he might've made a mistake, and meant' Brown..



Either way, My point isn't that you CAN"T be fast on brown, or blue, or red, or white..

My point is that BLACK has the BEST attributes suited for faster typing.

[precarious]

You could argue that having a heavier spring makes it worse since you need to apply more force to activate the switch which could instead be used to start moving to press the next key. Also, if you just pushed the switch to the activation point rather than the bottom, the power of the spring wouldn't matter because it would reset instantly.

No, the heavy spring would NOT hinder your input speed, because the weight and power of your hand can more than enough overcome the force of the switch..

What your hands can't do is make the switch rebound faster....

I'm kind of curious about the actual numbers behind that principle.  Would you be able to do them for all switch types relative to a certain text sample to demonstrate how certain switches would allow you to type it faster?

Either way, My point isn't that you CAN"T be fast on brown, or blue, or red, or white..

I guess it was all a dream.

[oneproduct]

No, the heavy spring would NOT hinder your input speed, because the weight and power of your hand can more than enough overcome the force of the switch..

What your hands can't do is make the switch rebound faster....

And why not? You can make the switch rebound faster if you don't bottom out, i.e. don't press it so hard. Sure, you can overcome the force of a black's spring by pressing it harder, but then you're pushing the spring further down and it takes it longer to rebound. If you push it less hard it will have less distance to rebound from. So instead of slamming on the keys, dance across them. I have a hard time dancing across blacks because when I press lightly, sometimes I don't push down hard enough to activate the key.

Edit: just to add, I have soft, small hands

Edit #2!: Since you might say you can't control not bottoming out when typing quickly, if you can't you could use o-rings. If you're really hardcore enough to worry about the switch resetting being an issue, put enough material so that the switch can only go down to the activation point and no further. The second you let go, it will reset. Then this would favor lighter switches because you could press them down faster since same force vs less resistance = greater speed. Anyways, this is pretty silly to begin with. This is not what's going to suddenly let you jump from where you are to match precarious for example. It's more about little optimization tricks I'd imagine, and things like breaking convention and using the wrong finger to type keys when the right finger would already be busy pressing the previous letter.

[precarious]

No, the heavy spring would NOT hinder your input speed, because the weight and power of your hand can more than enough overcome the force of the switch..

What your hands can't do is make the switch rebound faster....

And why not? You can make the switch rebound faster if you don't bottom out, i.e. don't press it so hard. Sure, you can overcome the force of a black's spring by pressing it harder, but then you're pushing the spring further down and it takes it longer to rebound. If you push it less hard it will have less distance to rebound from. So instead of slamming on the keys, dance across them. I have a hard time dancing across blacks because when I press lightly, sometimes I don't push down hard enough to activate the key.

Edit: just to add, I have soft, small hands

the dancing bit is more or less essential when typing at 9999 words per second, and it's not really easy even with my gigantic skull-crushing hands.

click like a butterfly, clack like a bee

[PRISONER 24601]

After using cherry reds for about a year now, I gotta admit ya know, my fingers fly across that mofo like nobody's business
but it's hard to tell. Def. slowest on clears, that's for sure.

[daerid]

I've found that I make many more mistakes on linears. I tried them for months, and just could never get used to them. As far as Cherry's go, I'm still fastest on browns, followed closely by blues and then finally reds and blacks.

[tp4tissue]

You could argue that having a heavier spring makes it worse since you need to apply more force to activate the switch which could instead be used to start moving to press the next key. Also, if you just pushed the switch to the activation point rather than the bottom, the power of the spring wouldn't matter because it would reset instantly.

No, the heavy spring would NOT hinder your input speed, because the weight and power of your hand can more than enough overcome the force of the switch..

What your hands can't do is make the switch rebound faster....

I'm kind of curious about the actual numbers behind that principle.  Would you be able to do them for all switch types relative to a certain text sample to demonstrate how certain switches would allow you to type it faster?

Either way, My point isn't that you CAN"T be fast on brown, or blue, or red, or white..

I guess it was all a dream.

Uhm.....

T = 2*pi*sqrt(m/k)

T is time

k is the Spring constant

Black has "higher" spring constant, 200 Newton/Meter
Red has "lower" spring constant, 150 Newton/Meter

We actually only need to look at that equation alone... no numbers needed

K is the spring constant.. If you INCREASE K,   T will decrease..

T is the time per oscillation.. If this time decreases, it means the cycle was completed in LESS TIME, thus it rebounded FASTER.

[tp4tissue]

I've found that I make many more mistakes on linears. I tried them for months, and just could never get used to them. As far as Cherry's go, I'm still fastest on browns, followed closely by blues and then finally reds and blacks.

Don't blame the linear just cuz you suck... JKJKJKJK

It's not the switches fault is all i'm saying..

[tp4tissue]

No, the heavy spring would NOT hinder your input speed, because the weight and power of your hand can more than enough overcome the force of the switch..

What your hands can't do is make the switch rebound faster....

And why not? You can make the switch rebound faster if you don't bottom out, i.e. don't press it so hard. Sure, you can overcome the force of a black's spring by pressing it harder, but then you're pushing the spring further down and it takes it longer to rebound. If you push it less hard it will have less distance to rebound from. So instead of slamming on the keys, dance across them. I have a hard time dancing across blacks because when I press lightly, sometimes I don't push down hard enough to activate the key.

Edit: just to add, I have soft, small hands

Edit #2!: Since you might say you can't control not bottoming out when typing quickly, if you can't you could use o-rings. If you're really hardcore enough to worry about the switch resetting being an issue, put enough material so that the switch can only go down to the activation point and no further. The second you let go, it will reset. Then this would favor lighter switches because you could press them down faster since same force vs less resistance = greater speed. Anyways, this is pretty silly to begin with. This is not what's going to suddenly let you jump from where you are to match precarious for example. It's more about little optimization tricks I'd imagine, and things like breaking convention and using the wrong finger to type keys when the right finger would already be busy pressing the previous letter.

OK, I must iterate for the 10th time.. IF YOU DON"T bottom out YOU WILL BE TYPING VERY SLOWLY....


Tap the table, can you tap it faster by stopping "exactly" at the top of the table,, OR can you tap it faster by hitting it nice and hard...

[Burz]

Warning! Flaimbait detected... Oh, what the heck!!

The only way I can think of someone coming to that conclusion is if they had their head stuck up Cherry's nether regions.

The MX blue/white/green mechanism is definitely not the standard-bearer for how nicely a keyswitch can rebound/reset.

Unless you've got Paul Bunyon fingers, no way is MX black a typist's switch; it presses firmly on your fingers all the way down and all the way back up and that makes them icky and tiresome for typing (severely bottoming-out through short bursts on Typeracer notwithstanding).

And this is from someone who uses an ALPS black board as a daily driver.

Tactile key switches will always be favored for typing among any sizable group of typists (thus nullifying flights of individual derangement) which is why even Apple-style chiclet boards are often considered better than MX black.

Personally, I'm just glad the available options are expanding further beyond Cherry's rainbow of mediocrity. They have not done justice to the typists' preference for tactility in their switches.

[tp4tissue]

Warning! Flaimbait detected... Oh, what the heck!!

The only way I can think of someone coming to that conclusion is if they had their head stuck up Cherry's nether regions.

The MX blue/white/green mechanism is definitely not the standard-bearer for how nicely a keyswitch can rebound/reset.

Unless you've got Paul Bunyon fingers, no way is MX black a typist's switch; it presses firmly on your fingers all the way down and all the way back up and that makes them icky and tiresome for typing (severely bottoming-out through short bursts on Typeracer notwithstanding).

And this is from someone who uses an ALPS black board as a daily driver.

Tactile key switches will always be favored for typing among any sizable group of typists (thus nullifying flights of individual derangement) which is why even Apple-style chiclet boards are often considered better than MX black.

Personally, I'm just glad the available options are expanding further beyond Cherry's rainbow of mediocrity. They have not done justice to the typists' preference for tactility in their switches.

Hey Burz... When you're typing fast though. The tactility serves NO purpose.... Because for true typing... We completely ignore all sensation beyond the Input from the letters to be transcribed into finger movements.

Everything else is blanked out.  I don't think about my hands, they just go where they need to go.

How the keyboard feeeel doesn't matter. The key just has to be there when I need it.

And my point is, that for the express purpose of key response.. MX black is more likely to BE THERE...

While the other switches will experience SOME sort of delay due to their respective "tactility-inducing" mechanisms.

[WhiteFireDragon]

Reason 1, its linear-smooth, so it will spring back faster than Green or White

Reason 2, its Heavy spring, more force, again, faster than linear RED

I agree with what oneproduct said. Sure a heavier spring will allow it to reset faster, but it also requires more force on the keys before it even starts to move down. Your fingers are at rest when you start to press down on it, it has zero initial momentum to begin with. If you started accelerating your fingers a few inches above the keys to give it initial momentum, then it might not be a huge factor. So I think the faster reset speed from the spring also negates any quicker typing from the fact that it requires more force to initially press the keys.

Take an extreme example where you put in 3 mx black springs in all the switches. Your fingers are strong enough to press it, but do you really think with such great force required to press it down, you'll still type faster?

[tp4tissue]

Reason 1, its linear-smooth, so it will spring back faster than Green or White

Reason 2, its Heavy spring, more force, again, faster than linear RED

I agree with what oneproduct said. Sure a heavier spring will allow it to reset faster, but it also requires more force on the keys before it even starts to move down. Your fingers are at rest when you start to press down on it, it has zero initial momentum to begin with. If you started accelerating your fingers a few inches above the keys to give it initial momentum, then it might not be a huge factor. So I think the faster reset speed from the spring also negates any quicker typing from the fact that it requires more force to initially press the keys.

Take an extreme example where you put in 3 mx black springs in all the switches. Your fingers are strong enough to press it, but do you really think with such great force required to press it down, you'll still type faster?

Hey Whitefire..

The force output capacity from one's fingers GREATLY exceeds the necessary force to depress the MX Black Spring..  Thus the difference between the maximum possible speed on the MX Black vs MX Red is negligible.

Just using my bathroom scale.. without wrist movement, My finger can tap out ~2lbs.. That's almost 1kg...

[Burz]

Well, there are switches with stronger springs than MX black. Have a ball!

[tp4tissue]

Well, there are switches with stronger springs than MX black. Have a ball!

Which ones?

[Sai]

I've found that I make many more mistakes on linears. I tried them for months, and just could never get used to them. As far as Cherry's go, I'm still fastest on browns, followed closely by blues and then finally reds and blacks.

I am the same as well. Just can't get used to red although i've used black for like 1 year. Still in love with the way brown feels.

[tp4tissue]

I've found that I make many more mistakes on linears. I tried them for months, and just could never get used to them. As far as Cherry's go, I'm still fastest on browns, followed closely by blues and then finally reds and blacks.

I am the same as well. Just can't get used to red although i've used black for like 1 year. Still in love with the way brown feels.

I like the clickity feel and all, but the discussion is what's Conducive for ultimate speed, not preference...

[Sai]

I've found that I make many more mistakes on linears. I tried them for months, and just could never get used to them. As far as Cherry's go, I'm still fastest on browns, followed closely by blues and then finally reds and blacks.

I am the same as well. Just can't get used to red although i've used black for like 1 year. Still in love with the way brown feels.

I like the clickity feel and all, but the discussion is what's Conducive for ultimate speed, not preference...

well, since i am supporting his statements, i'd say brown is best for me to achieve ultimate speed compared to linear ones.

[TheQsanity]

Red is my Fav and fastest. Blue is just for the feel. Browns are like blues but faster.

[daerid]

Enjoy your blacks.

TBH, I could care less whether I could theoretically get to 200+ wpm with blacks. I hate the way they feel, so why bother typing on something that doesn't make me happy?

[rootwyrm]

[Skull_Angel]

Is there even any evidence that there is enough difference in spring rate and enough friction from the switch stem+housing+spring+contact leaf to make a real-world change in key return rate from stock springs of MX Red and Black; and, if there is, wouldn't a switch with lube+spring+travel distance mods blow both switch types out of the water?... 

[oneproduct]

No, the heavy spring would NOT hinder your input speed, because the weight and power of your hand can more than enough overcome the force of the switch..

What your hands can't do is make the switch rebound faster....

And why not? You can make the switch rebound faster if you don't bottom out, i.e. don't press it so hard. Sure, you can overcome the force of a black's spring by pressing it harder, but then you're pushing the spring further down and it takes it longer to rebound. If you push it less hard it will have less distance to rebound from. So instead of slamming on the keys, dance across them. I have a hard time dancing across blacks because when I press lightly, sometimes I don't push down hard enough to activate the key.

Edit: just to add, I have soft, small hands

Edit #2!: Since you might say you can't control not bottoming out when typing quickly, if you can't you could use o-rings. If you're really hardcore enough to worry about the switch resetting being an issue, put enough material so that the switch can only go down to the activation point and no further. The second you let go, it will reset. Then this would favor lighter switches because you could press them down faster since same force vs less resistance = greater speed. Anyways, this is pretty silly to begin with. This is not what's going to suddenly let you jump from where you are to match precarious for example. It's more about little optimization tricks I'd imagine, and things like breaking convention and using the wrong finger to type keys when the right finger would already be busy pressing the previous letter.

OK, I must iterate for the 10th time.. IF YOU DON"T bottom out YOU WILL BE TYPING VERY SLOWLY....


Tap the table, can you tap it faster by stopping "exactly" at the top of the table,, OR can you tap it faster by hitting it nice and hard...

I specifically said that you can use o-rings to reduce the distance between activation and bottom. So you'll still bottom out, but it will be closer to the reset point as you bottom out on the o-ring instead of the switch housing. If you set up your o-rings just right (stack the required amount), the key will essentially reset instantly regardless of how powerful the spring is. There's at least one person here that uses double stacked o-rings as I recall, though likely for comfort/ergonomics/personal preference rather than for trying to reduce the distance between bottom and reset.

So you could have a light spring to make pressing the key down easier, bottom out at almost exactly the activation point thanks to o-rings and have the spring reset the switch almost immediately because of how close "bottom" is to the reset point.

Anyway I doubt that you or anyone will make a huge gain based on the fact that the spring resets faster for double letters alone. While you may gain on double letters slightly, there's far more potential to lose out on regular sequences because of either the black's increased force or the lack of tactility to help your brain. I don't think that tactility, even for proficient typists, is worthless. I imagine that typing with numb hands would slow you down.

[PRISONER 24601]

this thread is totes ridic

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

MX Blacks are the worst for typing, and everyone knows it.  Blues and/or Clears is where it's at...

[PRISONER 24601]

You ever notice how like, you'll type for only 2 or 3 hours on a Fujitsu Peerless, but then you'll walk outside your office and notice everyone wearing all these strange hats, and then it hits you that a dozen years have passed and everyone you know has moved on..?

Feels bad man.

[JPG]

From what I read here, it mostly depends on the typer. For sure everyone can easily bottom out blacks, but some will find the "extra" strenght required to be annoying while typing. At the same time, someone with stronger hands will find it just right. So in the end the best switch depends on the user himself. For exemple, following the calculation of the fastest switch, the "fastest switch" would be the one with the greatest resistance. In that way, having a custom switch with super high resistance would be the best, but would be a hell to type on, so slower in the end.

As for tactility, I think it is the same. For some people, they just don't "focus" on this feeling, so it does not bother them if they lose it. For others, they react to it and not having it slows them down.

So in the end, it's all a personnal choice.

[tp4tissue]

From what I read here, it mostly depends on the typer. For sure everyone can easily bottom out blacks, but some will find the "extra" strenght required to be annoying while typing. At the same time, someone with stronger hands will find it just right. So in the end the best switch depends on the user himself. For exemple, following the calculation of the fastest switch, the "fastest switch" would be the one with the greatest resistance. In that way, having a custom switch with super high resistance would be the best, but would be a hell to type on, so slower in the end.

As for tactility, I think it is the same. For some people, they just don't "focus" on this feeling, so it does not bother them if they lose it. For others, they react to it and not having it slows them down.

So in the end, it's all a personnal choice.

You are right that the "resistance vs return speed" has a threshold relative to the strength capacity of one's hand..

However, the issue on "tactility", I say it "slows you down" because the mechanism that produces it takes longer to reset. That's all, I am not applying a "human" reactive element to it.

[lazerpointer]

I get a consistent 90 WPM on Browns and most of the time with reds as well, but it just feels less solid with the reds. I definitely have a higher percentage of typos with the reds. My favorite switch at this very moment (because it's always flipping between red, BS and brown) would be Browns. I don't think the user can consciously pick up the tactility --- the bump helps your Muscle Memory and may help you to visualize / predict your timing in a subconscious way. Small things DO make a big difference. In the beginning I thought browns were just silly, but I find now that I am able to go barely past that point where the brown switches "give" and quickly move onto the next key. So instead of 90WPM when I'm angry / excited with the reds, and 70WPM the rest of the time, I find with the browns I can get a consistent 90WPM.

About blues. I think they are fun to type on, and have a blues board, but wouldn't use it in any practical application. EVERY TIME I need to double tap a letter when typing, the second click does not click. My OCD will not allow me to type on something which clicks physically at a different time than when it actuates. I also usually have headphones in so audible feedback is of no use to me.

About blacks. I tried a Steelseries 7g last year and it just seems like the black springs are too heavy... not that my hands got worn out, but it just felt like I was exerting too much unnecessary force. I do NOT believe that a human being can possibly detect the key reset difference between a red spring and a black spring. They both pop back up Instantly. If you think you can tell..... It's a placebo affect. You can't hit a red switch, and then raise your finger fast enough to not be touching the plastic by the time the thing pops back up to default position. It is physically impossible.

[tp4tissue]

I get a consistent 90 WPM on Browns and most of the time with reds as well, but it just feels less solid with the reds. I definitely have a higher percentage of typos with the reds. My favorite switch at this very moment (because it's always flipping between red, BS and brown) would be Browns. I don't think the user can consciously pick up the tactility --- the bump helps your Muscle Memory and may help you to visualize / predict your timing in a subconscious way. Small things DO make a big difference. In the beginning I thought browns were just silly, but I find now that I am able to go barely past that point where the brown switches "give" and quickly move onto the next key. So instead of 90WPM when I'm angry / excited with the reds, and 70WPM the rest of the time, I find with the browns I can get a consistent 90WPM.

About blues. I think they are fun to type on, and have a blues board, but wouldn't use it in any practical application. EVERY TIME I need to double tap a letter when typing, the second click does not click. My OCD will not allow me to type on something which clicks physically at a different time than when it actuates. I also usually have headphones in so audible feedback is of no use to me.

About blacks. I tried a Steelseries 7g last year and it just seems like the black springs are too heavy... not that my hands got worn out, but it just felt like I was exerting too much unnecessary force. I do NOT believe that a human being can possibly detect the key reset difference between a red spring and a black spring. They both pop back up Instantly. If you think you can tell..... It's a placebo affect. You can't hit a red switch, and then raise your finger fast enough to not be touching the plastic by the time the thing pops back up to default position. It is physically impossible.

Hm.... this is possible. You may have debunked my theory...

Does ANYONE have a slow motion camera, or a camera with low resolution burst frame video feature...

[precarious]

You are right that the "resistance vs return speed" has a threshold relative to the strength capacity of one's hand..

However, the issue on "tactility", I say it "slows you down" because the mechanism that produces it takes longer to reset. That's all, I am not applying a "human" reactive element to it.

You still didn't provide a statistical analysis relative to an actual text sample to demonstrate that the user is actually waiting on a switch reset to type something, or whatever.

Or we could all just stop responding to this thread.  That's looking like the best idea.

[tp4tissue]

You are right that the "resistance vs return speed" has a threshold relative to the strength capacity of one's hand..

However, the issue on "tactility", I say it "slows you down" because the mechanism that produces it takes longer to reset. That's all, I am not applying a "human" reactive element to it.

You still didn't provide a statistical analysis relative to an actual text sample to demonstrate that the user is actually waiting on a switch reset to type something, or whatever.

Or we could all just stop responding to this thread.  That's looking like the best idea.

you realize how difficult it would be to come up with such numbers.

There are too numerous of interrupting factors..

But I already posted that the return time is DIRECTLY related to the Spring constant. Thus the higher spring constant WOULD return the key faster.

So regardless of any HUMAN factors, the TOOL is superior...

A high speed camera would help if anyone's got it...

[iBro]

The only thing that I have seen in this thread so far is a bunch of people that don't know how to type on Mx Blacks.

You don't bottom out. The spring is stiff enough so that you can actuate the key without bottoming out, and then the key springs back up. You should be almost floating on the keys. It is extremely hard to do that with reds because they aren't as springy.

I'm not saying which switch is better, just that people need to adjust when they type on mx black switches.

[precarious]

you realize how difficult it would be to come up with such numbers.

Yeah, you would have to actually take into account all of the variables playing into the system you're proposing as opposed to wildly theorizing and drawing conclusions without relevant data to substantiate them, choosing instead to fixate upon a singular aspect of said system, invoking confirmation bias.

[bear95]

Hm.... this is possible. You may have debunked my theory...

Does ANYONE have a slow motion camera, or a camera with low resolution burst frame video feature...

Do we even need a camera? If we use these two equations... (This equation gets distance from activation to rest rather than oscillation)
Kinetic energy = potential energy
1/2*m*v^2 = 1/2*k*x^2.
m*v^2=k*x^2
m/k=x^2/v^2

and...

distance = velocity*time.
x=vt
t=x/v

we get...
m/k=t^2
t=(m/k)^(1/2)

For red it is..
(0.0011kg/150N/m)^1/2=0.0027s

For black it is...
(0.0011kg/200N/m)^1/2=0.0023s

Stopping here we can conclude that there is a 0.0004s difference between red and black debunking that blacks reset faster.

If we want to figure out if our finger is even fast enough to react...
If we use 216wpm, which which is the fastest typing speed, it is 1080 keys per minute. Pressing one key(including getting to the key) takes 0.13 sec to travel 2mm from the release point of a key, 6.5cm maximum distance to get to a key(5 to b, 7to m, etc), and 2mm again to press down a key. The maximum velocity possible of a finger(assuming the fastest typer has the fastest finger) we get is 0.53m/s. So if the finger travelled at its maximum speed to travel form activating point to releasing, it takes 0.00377 sec, which is slower than the key(even though I used an insanely fast scenario for the finger).

SO. IF i did my calculations correctly, than...
1. Difference between black and red speed activating is negligible.
2. Your fingers aren't faster than the key.
3. You're not waiting on the switch

[TheQsanity]

tldr, but I belive you. I may have to look into whatever you are doing in your free time hehe.

[precarious]

Hm.... this is possible. You may have debunked my theory...

Does ANYONE have a slow motion camera, or a camera with low resolution burst frame video feature...

Do we even need a camera? If we use these two equations... (This equation gets distance from activation to rest rather than oscillation)
Kinetic energy = potential energy
1/2*m*v^2 = 1/2*k*x^2.
m*v^2=k*x^2
m/k=x^2/v^2

and...

distance = velocity*time.
x=vt
t=x/v

we get...
m/k=t^2
t=(m/k)^(1/2)

For red it is..
(0.0011kg/150N/m)^1/2=0.0027s

For black it is...
(0.0011kg/200N/m)^1/2=0.0023s

Stopping here we can conclude that there is a 0.0004s difference between red and black debunking that blacks reset faster.

If we want to figure out if our finger is even fast enough to react...
If we use 216wpm, which which is the fastest typing speed, it is 1080 keys per minute. Pressing one key(including getting to the key) takes 0.13 sec to travel 2mm from the release point of a key, 6.5cm maximum distance to get to a key(5 to b, 7to m, etc), and 2mm again to press down a key. The maximum velocity possible of a finger(assuming the fastest typer has the fastest finger) we get is 0.53m/s. So if the finger travelled at its maximum speed to travel form activating point to releasing, it takes 0.00377 sec, which is slower than the key(even though I used an insanely fast scenario for the finger).

SO. IF i did my calculations correctly, than...
1. Difference between black and red speed activating is negligible.
2. Your fingers aren't faster than the key.
3. You're not waiting on the switch

PLEASE TELL ME YOU'RE A WOMAN SO I CAN FILL YOU WITH BABIES

GOD I DON'T EVEN WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN

[TheQsanity]

hahahahah...

[bear95]

PLEASE TELL ME YOU'RE A WOMAN SO I CAN FILL YOU WITH BABIES

GOD I DON'T EVEN WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN

...................................................... sorry

[cytoSiN]

Hm.... this is possible. You may have debunked my theory...

Does ANYONE have a slow motion camera, or a camera with low resolution burst frame video feature...

Do we even need a camera? If we use these two equations... (This equation gets distance from activation to rest rather than oscillation)
Kinetic energy = potential energy
1/2*m*v^2 = 1/2*k*x^2.
m*v^2=k*x^2
m/k=x^2/v^2

and...

distance = velocity*time.
x=vt
t=x/v

we get...
m/k=t^2
t=(m/k)^(1/2)

For red it is..
(0.0011kg/150N/m)^1/2=0.0027s

For black it is...
(0.0011kg/200N/m)^1/2=0.0023s

Stopping here we can conclude that there is a 0.0004s difference between red and black debunking that blacks reset faster.

If we want to figure out if our finger is even fast enough to react...
If we use 216wpm, which which is the fastest typing speed, it is 1080 keys per minute. Pressing one key(including getting to the key) takes 0.13 sec to travel 2mm from the release point of a key, 6.5cm maximum distance to get to a key(5 to b, 7to m, etc), and 2mm again to press down a key. The maximum velocity possible of a finger(assuming the fastest typer has the fastest finger) we get is 0.53m/s. So if the finger travelled at its maximum speed to travel form activating point to releasing, it takes 0.00377 sec, which is slower than the key(even though I used an insanely fast scenario for the finger).

SO. IF i did my calculations correctly, than...
1. Difference between black and red speed activating is negligible.
2. Your fingers aren't faster than the key.
3. You're not waiting on the switch

/thread

[linuxid10t]

I think the OP may be on to something.  I have actually found blacks at least even with the MX Blues while in typeracer.  The largest thing though is that my accuracy is 5% better (going from 90% to 95%.)  That being said, MX Blues are totally more fun to type on.

[Vintage]

I don't think you should chose a certain switch for typing speed or efficiency. You should chose it based on the overall feel of the switch and personal preference.

Plus, it's hard to prove that everyone types faster on a certain switch.

[precarious]

i have plenty of 200+ wpm races on typeracer with browns

ultimately you need to choose whichever switch affords you the least distraction psychologically so you can focus on actually typing, mental overhead is enough to keep you out of the 200+ wpm space permanently