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Offline spacecase

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Roccat Ryos
« on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 04:01:04 »
I'm going to stick with my Topre but I thought you guys might be interested in this

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/04/roccat-ryos-gaming-keyboard/

It's a new gaming keyboard for everyone to hate.  :))

I have no idea what that keyboard would do with Arm Cortex Processors...

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 04:08:17 »
You can tell the Roccat PR guy and the Engadget journalist don't know anything about Cherry MX switches: "... up to four Cherry MX key switches in a variety of colors..." Are they suggesting you can mix and match the switches? :))

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 10:19:34 »
i think what they meant was that they have 4 version of the keyboard based on cherry switch black brown blue red.

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 10:50:47 »
What is the purpose of the 32-bit ARM Cortex processor?

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 10:55:28 »
"The keyboard can display key functions, macros and even health or mana bars thanks to this technology."

I'm still not sure why it needs dedicated processors to do that and having had a Logitech G-19 in the past its a relatively useless feature.

This keyboard is going to be very expensive I think.

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 12:11:08 »
I think that the usefulness of the onboard processors will depend in large part on how good a job Roccat does at making their SDK both powerful and easy to use. Having a device that can run macros/scripts in onboard hardware has its advantages over software-based input task automation, in responsiveness, compatibility, and at getting around attempts by other software to limit the user's automation capabilities-- but if the software places arbitrary limits on what the device can do with its features, or isn't friendly enough to be taken full advantage of by non-programmers, those advantages could easily wind up minimized.

Also, I don't see any mention of any sort of feature to integrate the mouse into the keyboard's capabilities, either with a USB filter or some sort of non-pass-through port on the keyboard itself-- without some sort of integration between mouse and keyboard, the range of triggering options for macros will be deeply limited, as well as losing the ability to modify outputs from the existing mouse (as opposed to the keyboard pretending to be another mouse, which it should have no problem doing either way unless the design is really stupid). So that's another area of uncertainty for how useful they'll be able to make the ARMs.
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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 13:25:44 »
I just ran across this one myself earlier today, it certainly has potential and introduces an innovative concept with the dedicated Arm processors, but there are a few things that I notice right off that would annoy the hell out of me. Those keys below the keyboard look they would be more annoying than useful to me, they also don't appear to have any tactile feedback which would make it hard to tell which one your were pushing without looking. I don't particularly like the look of that font either.

No word on price yet but I am sure it won't be cheap, I would be more inclined to consider it if they had offered color changing LED's as well for the price I am sure they are expecting. While this one is not as bad as some, I will never understand why engineers think they have to design a gaming keyboard that appeals to 14 year old gamers, most 14 years olds wouldn't be able to afford one anyway.

Here is their official video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUJYOx0a2eU_lKmYAOX7Cxxw&feature=player_embedded&v=VrWnyFhw2tA

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 14:56:15 »
What is the purpose of the 32-bit ARM Cortex processor?

My fiance recently covered this in a review of their sensei mouse.  They have a piece of ARM compatible software written to program their peripherals.  It's very powerful and they use this processor to carry out their macro-functions and communicate with the on-board memory for stored profiles.  You can use these profiles independent of drivers being in place.  So.. without drivers you can still used programmed macros.
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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 16:01:55 »
Looks like same OEM as the recent logitech g710+ to me. Now if they could only make all those good feature in a keyboard that wasn't super bulky and hideous... why is so many 'gamer' keyboard always so unwieldy and bulky? Make it a 60% dammit.

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 16:05:55 »
Looks like same OEM as the recent logitech g710+ to me. Now if they could only make all those good feature in a keyboard that wasn't super bulky and hideous... why is so many 'gamer' keyboard always so unwieldy and bulky? Make it a 60% dammit.

They've let the market (12-18yo kids) shape the market instead of the market change the opinion of the demographic.
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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 17:01:35 »
Looks like same OEM as the recent logitech g710+ to me. Now if they could only make all those good feature in a keyboard that wasn't super bulky and hideous... why is so many 'gamer' keyboard always so unwieldy and bulky? Make it a 60% dammit.

I know, it's like as if more buttons = gaming peripheral.  The more button it is the more "gaming" it is.

I game perfectly fine on my Filco, though I do admit sometimes I wish it was backlit  :(

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 17:43:04 »
There's one good thing about it: it'll appear on eBay-like sites for ridiculously low price from time to time. I've already seen NIB Corsair K90, CM Storm QF Trigger/Pro, Tt Meka, Ozone something, Gigabyte Aivia Osmium etc. sold for 50% of regular price.

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 18:18:42 »
this would actually be kind of cool.

You could turn your keyboard into a spectrum analyzer. =D

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 18:23:14 »
Try as I might, I can't figure out how I would use Macros, even in games!

Then again, I really dislike games that have a timelimit and find myself playing games where I can thoughtfully pick my actions rather than be constrained to any sort of timelimit.

That being said, the programmer in me loves the thought of programming for those macros merely because it sounds cool :))
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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 18:30:22 »
Try as I might, I can't figure out how I would use Macros, even in games!

Then again, I really dislike games that have a timelimit and find myself playing games where I can thoughtfully pick my actions rather than be constrained to any sort of timelimit.

That being said, the programmer in me loves the thought of programming for those macros merely because it sounds cool :))

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 18:44:33 »
Looks like same OEM as the recent logitech g710+ to me. Now if they could only make all those good feature in a keyboard that wasn't super bulky and hideous... why is so many 'gamer' keyboard always so unwieldy and bulky? Make it a 60% dammit.

I know, it's like as if more buttons = gaming peripheral.  The more button it is the more "gaming" it is.

I game perfectly fine on my Filco, though I do admit sometimes I wish it was backlit  :(

I dunno, I think that the thumb buttons do make a bit of sense, since they can be pressed without moving your hand(s) out of position (assuming they haven't screwed up the force requirements, placed them unnecessarily far from the space bar, or made them too small; it's hard to tell on any of those three counts from the pictures), so they, at least, might be useful for gaming keybinds. I'm less convinced by the side macro buttons, since they're not super-close to WASD and extend far down to the point where I'm really not sure if any finger could press them comfortably...but at least the thumb buttons have some reasoning behind them. Now if only they were actually mouse buttons associated with a TrackPoint...:-(

I expect we'll still see lots of keyboards coming out in full size and full-plus sizes for a while yet. Even though I'm sure a lot of people could make do without a numberpad, it's one thing not to need it, and another thing entirely to be sure you don't need it, to have no fear whatsoever that you might need it (or to be willing to tolerate the inelegance and expense of a separate numberpad or "modular" solution). And of course, when it comes to people who don't know anything trying to figure out how much something is worth, "more is more" is a heck of a lot more intuitive than "less is more".
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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 04 January 2013, 19:26:48 »
I would be in the market for one but that wrist rest, if not comfy,  would come off... Then I would be left with this funky looking wedge poking out of the front where I dont want a wrist rest , and certainly don't want to be stuck with a non removable partial palm rest(?). To top it off I would smack those 3 two funky media buttons on said palm rest(?) Performing god knows what commands until I unmapped them. >:D
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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 08 January 2013, 05:47:11 »
I dunno, I think that the thumb buttons do make a bit of sense, since they can be pressed without moving your hand(s) out of position (assuming they haven't screwed up the force requirements, placed them unnecessarily far from the space bar, or made them too small; it's hard to tell on any of those three counts from the pictures), so they, at least, might be useful for gaming keybinds. I'm less convinced by the side macro buttons, since they're not super-close to WASD and extend far down to the point where I'm really not sure if any finger could press them comfortably...but at least the thumb buttons have some reasoning behind them. Now if only they were actually mouse buttons associated with a TrackPoint...:-(

I expect we'll still see lots of keyboards coming out in full size and full-plus sizes for a while yet. Even though I'm sure a lot of people could make do without a numberpad, it's one thing not to need it, and another thing entirely to be sure you don't need it, to have no fear whatsoever that you might need it (or to be willing to tolerate the inelegance and expense of a separate numberpad or "modular" solution). And of course, when it comes to people who don't know anything trying to figure out how much something is worth, "more is more" is a heck of a lot more intuitive than "less is more".

I agree, I think the Thumb keys might be useful.  I can think of a couple of micro situations where having a key that you can thumb and quickly run a series of tab/hotkeys...I certainly can see using them a lot more than a dedicated macro key...

And I think you're right as far as gamer keyboards are concerned..  There might not be a need for a numberpad and a bunch of other stuff but right now it seems like they're trying to hit every feature that someone might want thinking they cover everyone.

It certainly doesn't help that adding more features and still keeping the price reasonable seems to mean there's a hit to reliability/quality. 

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 12 January 2013, 17:03:20 »
Roccat apparently decided to go the insane route on these, turns out. There's actually three models.

  • Ryos Pro, which has dual ARM processors (one for master controller, one for macro functions) and all the lighting.
  • Ryos MK Glow, which has the backlighting but is slightly less crazy.
  • Ryos MK, which is "entry level" so minus all the crazy stuff.

I haven't heard any horror stories about their software side other than that horrifyingly creepy voice they use. Kinda expecting the MK to end up slightly higher than Rosewill/CM Storm price level with the numbers going up from there. Main reason being that apparently, they've got a full programmable layer. Yes, as in remapping 94 keys, according to their tech specs.
I think the 32bit marketing is just something they latched onto out of convenience. I can definitely see why they needed the memory for macros, and to get 2MB of accessible NVRAM over base? All the PSoCs that offer that are, no surprise, 32-bit ARM designs. So "we need 3MB!" turns into "WOO LOOK AT OUR 32-BIT ARM!"

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 02:49:03 »
i never heard of roccat before. can anyone chime in about their quality and durability? i was about to purchase the nighthawk x8 or the ducky shine 2, but this looks like a very nice keyboard. id be willing it wait for it's release if it's performance is up to par

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 02:53:41 »
i never heard of roccat before. can anyone chime in about their quality and durability? i was about to purchase the nighthawk x8 or the ducky shine 2, but this looks like a very nice keyboard. id be willing it wait for it's release if it's performance is up to par

roccat's been around forever... It doesn't matter what the brand is though.. They all come from a handful of OEMs..

I'm somewhat excited about the ARM processor, assuming it'll be hooked up to do more than control the back-lighting.

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 10:58:47 »
following an article on gamefront, release date is set for April with following price:
149.99 for the MK Pro
129.99 for the MK Glow
99.99 for the MK


http://www.gamefront.com/eyes-on-roccat-ryos-mechanical-keyboards-power-grid-app/

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 14 March 2013, 19:22:24 »
i never heard of roccat before. can anyone chime in about their quality and durability? i was about to purchase the nighthawk x8 or the ducky shine 2, but this looks like a very nice keyboard. id be willing it wait for it's release if it's performance is up to par

roccat's been around forever... It doesn't matter what the brand is though.. They all come from a handful of OEMs..

I'm somewhat excited about the ARM processor, assuming it'll be hooked up to do more than control the back-lighting.

Ryos MK and MK Glow feature one 32 bit ARM based MCU. The Ryos MK Pro features two, one dedicated for the LED control, the other is handling "normal operations".

Besides being remappable it is also featuring the unique additional modifer claled Easy-Shift that similar to FN adds another layer that can be freely configured on almost all keys.
If this works the same way as in other products from roccat you can also assign that modifier key on a mouse.


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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 14 March 2013, 20:14:44 »
i never heard of roccat before. can anyone chime in about their quality and durability? i was about to purchase the nighthawk x8 or the ducky shine 2, but this looks like a very nice keyboard. id be willing it wait for it's release if it's performance is up to par

Roccat has a good reputation at least for gaming mice. There stuff is kind of ugly, in my opinion, but they are reliable, well built, and have good software support. They are pretty popular among serious gamers.

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 14 March 2013, 20:38:21 »
Just seems like another 'gaming' fad to me. Aimed at people who can't do proper research and are attracted by fancy lights.
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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 14 March 2013, 21:45:53 »
why anyone would want something that ridiculously bulky is beyond me. at least a model-m is unique in its own way but this is just stupid.

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 15 March 2013, 03:31:11 »
I think this is better left to individual taste. Luckily we dont share all the same opinion on it.

I do love my gray topre all 55grf tkl, but sometimes I would wish it would match the little more modern look of the other equipment on my desk (and i am not talking gaming gear with toy like design).

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Re: Roccat Ryos
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 04 June 2013, 10:41:38 »
Why is everything that is a " gaming peripheral"  almost always so butt ugly.
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