Author Topic: Ergodox Keyboard Kit (Read 113653 times)

Findecanor · « **Reply #250 on:** Sat, 02 February 2013, 09:00:14 »

Quote from: DanGWanG on Tue, 29 January 2013, 17:27:17

What is this? http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&document_srl=5920748

That keyboard has staggered rows for regular ANSI layout + thumb keys. Not ErgoDox.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #251 on:** Sat, 02 February 2013, 13:30:15 »

Quote from: Findecanor on Sat, 02 February 2013, 09:00:14

Quote from: DanGWanG on Tue, 29 January 2013, 17:27:17
What is this? http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&document_srl=5920748
That keyboard has staggered rows for regular ANSI layout + thumb keys. Not ErgoDox.

would making the side keys "stabilized" have increased the cost significantly?

bisl · « **Reply #252 on:** Sat, 02 February 2013, 15:35:33 »

Quote from: tp4tissue on Sat, 02 February 2013, 05:16:37

Hey guys, those keys on the Side they're 2x yea? not 1.5x

I believe the board contains a total of ten 1.5x (four horizontal on the outside of each hand, and two vertical on the inside of each hand), and four 2x (two in each thumb cluster, if not split into 1x keys). There's an early pic from Dox's prototype somewhere in either this thread or the DT thread that shows the board with Tabs for almost all of them.

merijn · « **Reply #253 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 15:25:16 »

I just got an email from Massdrop which says to me they are soldering the ergodox themselves. That means you will get a pcb with everything soldered on. That does not only explain why it takes so long, but it also makes me unhappy for I don't want anything soldered on. I ordered a bare pcb and components so I want my bare pcb and components. (I was planning on doing some modifications.)

I think it would be wise to contact massdrop if you don't want your pcb soldered.

Their main reason was because most of their customers wouldn't have soldering tools, so they would be doing it for them.

sordna · « **Reply #254 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 15:42:50 »

You got an email from Ergodox? Who is Ergodox? Could you post the entire email here please? I ordered 2 kits from massdrop but didn't get any such email.

merijn · « **Reply #255 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 15:44:43 »

Mistake by me, and I contacted them several times now and they answered this in a reply.

haskellelephant · « **Reply #256 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 15:58:42 »

I don't mind that they solder them. But it would have been nice if they would have told us in advance...

cancelx · « **Reply #257 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 16:01:54 »

Awww yeah, I'm lucky that I've ordered separate pcb, switches and case. Gonna solder 'em all!

dorkvader · « **Reply #258 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 16:35:34 »

This is terrible news!
I absolutely want to solder it myself. I will be contacting massdrop about this.

vivalarevolución · « **Reply #259 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 16:41:35 »

With the added labor cost of soldering, I'd like to know how they are turning a profit with this thing.

Also, it would have been a good idea for them to ask each customer if they wanted their components soldered

Glissant · « **Reply #260 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 16:46:33 »

How about we actually ask massdrop first, or see an official statement before we jump to the conclusion that they are soldering all the boards?

dorkvader · « **Reply #261 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 17:03:56 »

So before I did anything hotheaded (like click "send") I thought about this.

If massdrop is soldering these themselves, then what is the_profosist doing? I thought he had a whole assembly GB and fee and whatever.

I will ask them if they come soldered or unassembeld.

sordna · « **Reply #262 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 17:08:41 »

I find this hard to believe. If it's true, it's actually a $50 gift, times 207 keyboards = $10,350. Why would they do it, especially if they were selling the assembly service by TheProfosist. That would only make sense to offer during the sale to attract more buyers, not afterwards.
I just checked the discussion on the Ergodox page on massdrop and nothing is mentioned there either. Maybe someone should ask the question in that page.

merijn · « **Reply #263 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 17:12:45 »

Well, they said to me they would only be putting together the components that required soldering, the rest would be diy. That's not everything, but that leaves programming the teensy and putting the case together?

Glod · « **Reply #264 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 17:14:53 »

i seriously doubt they would be soldering for free, considering it says nowhere they will, the instructions still say you have to, no update was sent, and nothing mentioned on discussion plus you have prof's assembly and the cost he charged assumes he would be soldering the switches, diodes, and teensy. i didnt order switches anywayz...i hope mine comes quicker because of no switches

sordna · « **Reply #265 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 17:18:09 »

Quote from: merijn on Sat, 02 March 2013, 17:12:45

Well, they said to me they would only be putting together the components that required soldering, the rest would be diy. That's not everything, but that leaves programming the teensy and putting the case together?

Do you mind copy/pasting their entire email?

merijn · « **Reply #266 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 17:22:28 »

It was a short reply, and I only omitted the first part where he says my name:

"my understanding is we're just putting together the components that require soldering since many of our customers don't have soldering kits. The rest of the keyboard will be do-it-yourself."

BugBuster · « **Reply #267 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 18:20:35 »

I've already asked them that if this is the case, then I personally don't need it and would like to enjoy soldering myself. After all I have already got other switches elsewhere and those contain diodes, so removing other ones from the board would be highly undesirable.

Larken · « **Reply #268 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 19:00:02 »

let's just wait for someone who's already sent them another email to confirm if that's the case. I seriously doubt that they'll be soldering 200 boards with no extra charge, and given how theprofosist had a massdrop for assembly, that's even less likely.

probably, 'putting together' could be construed as them putting together the components needed for soldering the board (diodes, leds, connectors) into a kit for us to work on. that wording is pretty ambiguous.

cgbuen · « **Reply #269 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 20:49:48 »

That's kind of disappointing, if what you're all saying is correct.. I like soldering switches but I paid for TheProfosist's service (+$65) because I didn't want to have to deal with all the other components. If they were more clear about this I wouldn't have.

BugBuster · « **Reply #270 on:** Sun, 03 March 2013, 06:19:43 »

Answer from Massdrop: "I was getting some products confused when I was talking to another customer. The Ergodox won't arrive soldered; no worries!"

So relax, people

Dreadwyrm · « **Reply #271 on:** Mon, 04 March 2013, 08:10:16 »

Quote from: BugBuster on Sun, 03 March 2013, 06:19:43

Answer from Massdrop: "I was getting some products confused when I was talking to another customer. The Ergodox won't arrive soldered; no worries!"

So relax, people

Phew, I was really worried for a second.

SleepingInMyCode · « **Reply #272 on:** Sun, 10 March 2013, 19:39:52 »

Man, I didn't see this :-( I would have totally bought one.

vatin · « **Reply #273 on:** Thu, 14 March 2013, 10:36:32 »

Anyone know when will the massdrop groupbuy gets rolling again?
I have been holding off other purchases for ergodox, and the wait is killing me.

OrangeJewce · « **Reply #274 on:** Thu, 14 March 2013, 10:44:38 »

Quote from: vatin on Thu, 14 March 2013, 10:36:32

Anyone know when will the massdrop groupbuy gets rolling again?
I have been holding off other purchases for ergodox, and the wait is killing me.

It's been closed forever, and afaik they aren't doing a second run. Some were thinking about doing a second run through DT, you may want to check there.

Cheers,

Larken · « **Reply #275 on:** Thu, 14 March 2013, 10:46:17 »

best to contact massdrop about this. first round hasn't completed yet, so anyone's guess is as good as any. Or wait for the secondhand market. I imagine there might be a few people letting go of theirs after trying one. Not slamming on the design, but custom layouts aren't everyone's choice of poison.

OrangeJewce · « **Reply #276 on:** Thu, 14 March 2013, 10:47:28 »

Quote from: Larken on Thu, 14 March 2013, 10:46:17

best to contact massdrop about this. first round hasn't completed yet, so anyone's guess is as good as any. Or wait for the secondhand market. I imagine there might be a few people letting go of theirs after trying one. Not slamming on the design, but custom layouts aren't everyone's choice of poison.

Yes you may be able to find one secondhand. Benefit being it will likely be pre-assembled. It will cost more than the unassembled kit, however.

Cheers,

TheQsanity · « **Reply #277 on:** Wed, 27 March 2013, 22:53:23 »

They have started to be shipped out!

Anyone know if the diodes will be DIY or factory assembled?

ekw808 · « **Reply #278 on:** Wed, 27 March 2013, 23:14:35 »

100% DIY

TheQsanity · « **Reply #279 on:** Wed, 27 March 2013, 23:15:59 »

Sounds like this weekend will be ErgoDox-end.

sordna · « **Reply #280 on:** Wed, 27 March 2013, 23:31:23 »

Quote from: TheQsanity on Wed, 27 March 2013, 22:53:23

They have started to be shipped out!

Even better, they have started to arrive!

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Anyone know if the diodes will be DIY or factory assembled?

DIY, you can see the pack of diodes in the middle of the photo I took after my package arrived today:

ekw808 · « **Reply #281 on:** Wed, 27 March 2013, 23:34:49 »

Wow that's pretty awesome, where are you located?

TheQsanity · « **Reply #282 on:** Wed, 27 March 2013, 23:35:50 »

Ahh, that black zip tie looking thing.

Will you be hand soldering the SMD with the pen or hot air with a reworking gun?

sordna · « **Reply #283 on:** Thu, 28 March 2013, 01:32:48 »

They actually supplied both regular diodes and SMD ones... you can see the regular ones under the black zip-tie looking container, in the same bag.
So I think I'll go old school to make things easier ... is there any reason to prefer SMD ? I'm surprised they sent both kinds!

TheQsanity · « **Reply #284 on:** Thu, 28 March 2013, 01:43:22 »

I am not sure if I am able to use a regular soldering flux core wire with an SMD Rework.
Solder paste has to be refrigerated. So I don't think I want to use any of that. Where would I refrigerate it? The same place I keep my food? hehe.

ekw808 · « **Reply #285 on:** Thu, 28 March 2013, 19:42:41 »

has anyone else received their kit?

TheQsanity · « **Reply #286 on:** Fri, 29 March 2013, 02:26:14 »

Me. I did a kittle through hole and little smd. Smd is a lot faster

ekw808 · « **Reply #287 on:** Fri, 29 March 2013, 06:14:03 »

Did you opt for the alu case?

sordna · « **Reply #288 on:** Fri, 29 March 2013, 09:45:11 »

Quote from: TheQsanity on Fri, 29 March 2013, 02:26:14

Me. I did a kittle through hole and little smd. Smd is a lot faster

How do you do SMD faster??? Please give us some tips!

TheQsanity · « **Reply #289 on:** Fri, 29 March 2013, 10:44:57 »

No aluminum case cosred too much imo.

I am no soldering expert. Have you watched WFDs video in making the gh60? I just added some solder to the board to tack on the diode and just add solder to the other side. First time with smd... hope I don't get any cold joints lol. Or at least be able to find them if there are any.

Are you using flux core solder? Does that require some type of cleanup solution?
I noticed a lot of flux buildup.

sordna · « **Reply #290 on:** Fri, 29 March 2013, 11:39:06 »

I use flux core solder that says cleanup is optional. So I don't clean it up :-)
But through-hole is easier since the components stay in place and you can hold the solder in one hand and the iron in the other.

Glod · « **Reply #291 on:** Fri, 29 March 2013, 15:07:54 »

First person to finish theirs and take ergodox porn shots should make a "Post Your Ergodox" thread in media

mine wont arrive today so it looks like i have to wait almost 2 weeks before i can build mine because im out on trip

major bummer.

Glissant · « **Reply #292 on:** Fri, 29 March 2013, 15:12:59 »

Mine still needs to arrive at my place in Philly, get repackaged and shipped to Norway before I can even begin to think about taking pics

. Looking forward to seeing if the possibility of a wider typing posture will be more comfortable or not.
Someone do video of them typing on that thing, please

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Glod · « **Reply #293 on:** Fri, 29 March 2013, 16:02:19 »

I really want the ergodox to work out

i honestly want to make a build log, video, and detailed review of ergodox because i haven't made one before, never made a video before, but someone will beat me to a review and ill just end up talking to myself.....

TheQsanity · « **Reply #294 on:** Fri, 29 March 2013, 17:08:22 »

I think I will take my time.. maybe som3 pics and maybe finish first:D

vivalarevolución · « **Reply #295 on:** Sun, 31 March 2013, 06:48:19 »

OMG, I got a UPS delivery notification from Massdrop. OMG, my keyboard is the vicinity. OMG, this is awesome. OMG, I'm like a school girl with all these OMG's.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #296 on:** Wed, 03 April 2013, 10:43:51 »

any one gotten this fully built yet? with pics?

bisl · « **Reply #297 on:** Wed, 03 April 2013, 11:00:46 »

This thread is far less active than the other one.

sordna · « **Reply #298 on:** Wed, 03 April 2013, 11:11:46 »

Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 03 April 2013, 10:43:51

any one gotten this fully built yet? with pics?

Lots of folks. I've even modded mine so it makes clicky sounds like the Kinesis Advantage. See the big thread!

TheQsanity · « **Reply #299 on:** Wed, 03 April 2013, 12:21:21 »

This one is a great finds thread other is making stuff together.

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Author Topic: Ergodox Keyboard Kit (Read 113653 times)