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Offline Nawit

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New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 20:05:31 »
Hi all,

I just recently got into keyboards and looking at different keyboard setups. About 3 months ago I purchased my first mechanical keyboard which I am still using now: Razer Blackwidow with Cherry MX Blues. I instantly fell in love with it after using rubber domes my entire life.

But after reading up on other sites and forums such as Geekhack, I have realized there is a lot more to uncover in the world of keyboards. Keycaps, cases, different switch spring configurations, it is all so overwhelming. To start my adventure into keyboards, I signed up for the UST 2013 tour to verify which switch type is my favorite (I'm feeling the greens). But besides that, I am here to ask for some help/advice.

I basically want to learn all I can about keyboards but it is very confusing attempting to understand everything that is posted on this forum with little to no knowledge of keycaps, different switch types, etc. I was wondering if anyone could explain to me the basics from which I could completely understand keyboards and hopefully become a keyboard addict in the near future. Is there a guide to things such as, What is a PBT keycap? Why is an aluminum case better? How to customize your keyboard? Just different tough to really enjoy the full potential of keyboards and custom builds.

I'd really appreciate any help or anyone that points me in the right direction. Thanks!

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 21:18:44 »
You only need to know 6 things....

BUY a quickfire rapid...


Blank pbt keycaps are best...


BLANK abs keycaps are FINE, as long as you pick a BRIGHT color, as in "NOT BLACK"


Stupid lettering on keys are for children and their "colors"....


Aluminum case is a total waste of money, but will make your keyboard feel "SOLID"


Topre keyboards feel exactly like Rubberdome because IT IS rubber-dome, the only difference is that they have a lower probability of deteriorating as quickly in feel,

                    ____THERE is also nothing wrong with rubber dome keyboards, if you like them, that is FINE......... the trouble with Topre is people making them sound like a "tear of the gods" when topre is more like  "gilded spoon", shiny useful, but NOT a gift from heaven.



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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 21:21:46 »
and what you're feeling is "NOT" love...

How could you love something you barely understand....

What you're feeling is "curiosity"

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 21:23:51 »
That's awesome that you're getting into keyboards. I recently began my keyboard adventure as well. It's a great hobby!

Anyway, to answer your questions, PBT caps differ from ABS, because they are built out of a different plastic. It's a better quality plastic that holds up really well to wear and tear, and it doesn't shine quickly, which is always a plus. Aluminum cases etc. are customization options, but they tend to be pretty pricey (maybe a hundred to a few hundred dollars). And yea, what TP4 said- BUY A CM QFR

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 21:24:07 »
buy some klaxon caps

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 21:24:29 »
and what you're feeling is "NOT" love...

How could you love something you barely understand....

What you're feeling is "curiosity"

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 21:28:11 »
You only need to know 6 things....

BUY a quickfire rapid...


Blank pbt keycaps are best...


BLANK abs keycaps are FINE, as long as you pick a BRIGHT color, as in "NOT BLACK"


Stupid lettering on keys are for children and their "colors"....


Aluminum case is a total waste of money, but will make your keyboard feel "SOLID"


Topre keyboards feel exactly like Rubberdome because IT IS rubber-dome, the only difference they have a lower probability of deteriorating as quickly in feel,

                    ____THERE is also nothing wrong with rubber dome keyboards, if you like them, that is FINE......... the trouble with Topre is people making them sound like a "tear of the gods" when topre is more like  "gilded spoon", shiny useful, but NOT a gift from heaven.

Okay whoa.  That is probably not the first time you want to throw at a new member.

Welcome to Geekhack, we're glad youre into keyboards.  We're all into them as well, so feel free to ask any questions and we can help you as best as possible. 

How do you like the Razer Blackwidow? If you like that, I can assure you that in no time you will fall in love with any other type of keyboard.  Razer keyboards are kind of considered entry level keyboards around here.

Now a quickfire rapid is not a bad idea to start with, but you can always look toward other options. 

What did you want to learn about keyboards? Despite it being such a simple object that we use everyday, there are tons of things about them, especially when it comes to mechanical keyboards.

In response to your questions,

A PBT keycap is a keycap made of different material rather than the standard which is ABS.  ABS is cheaper and gets shinier quicker, but can still be nice.  For example, an ABS doubleshot is one of the most coveted keys around here, because of the way that it is built.   

There are tons of guides around here, and here is a great one you can start with.

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide

It's kind of long, but its a good read.  Check it out, and let us know if you have any other questions.  Most of the questions you asked should be addressed in that guide.

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 21:28:56 »
Just stumble around aimlessly and read all the wildly differing opinions.

You will have to own (and by "own" I mean use in your standard situation for several hours, minimum) at least half a dozen types to really get a feel.

Yard sales and thrift stores are places to get odd boards for under $5, but you won't see anything good very often.

To see across the spectrum, you have already known rubber domes and scissors, so you should check out buckling springs for old-school ruggedness, and various Cherry colors including blue and red at the minimum, although you may well end up with another color as your favorite. Brown may be the usual transition away from blue, but if you are a tough guy you may need to head for green or clear.

If you have the cash, a Topre board may really ring your bell, or maybe not.

Personally, I have a fondness for Alps switches, although they often do not age very well. And I like clicky, but many people don't.

Luckily, you can usually sell "like new" boards here for 2/3 to 3/4 what you paid for them, but don't be a jackass and send them back to the seller for a full refund!

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 21:54:35 »
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There are tons of guides around here, and here is a great one you can start with.

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide
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Thanks for the tip.  I found it most useful and interesting

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 22:04:36 »
Welcome to geekhack.

Since you're just starting I'd suggest you go to a local store and try different switch types.  Since you already have blue I'd say for next switch try either brown or red.  Most people find black too heavy so I don't recommend you try it till a lot later.

This is a generalized summary to help you start with, ultimately it's down to personal preference:

Blue 80% typing 20% gaming
Brown 60% typing 40% gaming
Red 40% typing 60% gaming
Black 20% typing 80% gaming

For example I currently prefer red for typing and gaming.  And down the road you have to figure out if you like full size or tenkeyless (no number pad).

CM Storm QuickFire Rapid is highly recommended around here because it's one of the cheapest and highest quality keyboards around.  Only drawback is that it's only tenkeyless, but CM Storm will release a full size version of it in April named CM Storm QuickFire XT.  If you can wait I'd aim for that.

Otherwise have fun reading about keyboards, it's a guarantee that you'll buy more down the road  :D

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Offline Nawit

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 22:10:39 »
You only need to know 6 things....

BUY a quickfire rapid...


Blank pbt keycaps are best...


BLANK abs keycaps are FINE, as long as you pick a BRIGHT color, as in "NOT BLACK"


Stupid lettering on keys are for children and their "colors"....


Aluminum case is a total waste of money, but will make your keyboard feel "SOLID"


Topre keyboards feel exactly like Rubberdome because IT IS rubber-dome, the only difference they have a lower probability of deteriorating as quickly in feel,

                    ____THERE is also nothing wrong with rubber dome keyboards, if you like them, that is FINE......... the trouble with Topre is people making them sound like a "tear of the gods" when topre is more like  "gilded spoon", shiny useful, but NOT a gift from heaven.

Okay whoa.  That is probably not the first time you want to throw at a new member.

Welcome to Geekhack, we're glad youre into keyboards.  We're all into them as well, so feel free to ask any questions and we can help you as best as possible. 

How do you like the Razer Blackwidow? If you like that, I can assure you that in no time you will fall in love with any other type of keyboard.  Razer keyboards are kind of considered entry level keyboards around here.

Now a quickfire rapid is not a bad idea to start with, but you can always look toward other options. 

What did you want to learn about keyboards? Despite it being such a simple object that we use everyday, there are tons of things about them, especially when it comes to mechanical keyboards.

In response to your questions,

A PBT keycap is a keycap made of different material rather than the standard which is ABS.  ABS is cheaper and gets shinier quicker, but can still be nice.  For example, an ABS doubleshot is one of the most coveted keys around here, because of the way that it is built.   

There are tons of guides around here, and here is a great one you can start with.

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide

It's kind of long, but its a good read.  Check it out, and let us know if you have any other questions.  Most of the questions you asked should be addressed in that guide.

Although all the posts were helpful, and I appreciate them all, I will respond to this post as I found it most helpful. I really enjoy the blackwidow. I wish I got the ultimate for the back-lit keys. I love the tactile feel of the blues but I am interested in trying different switches when I get my hands on the UST.

I'd like to learn the different customizations of keyboards. I love to customize thigns and make them my own. For example, different types of keycaps. What's best? Different switches. Cherry or Alps? Is it worth changing springs and keeping switches? Stuff like that is what I am interested in. Now I was looking into the CM trigger with the greens but I don't want to switch until I try the other keys on the UST.

Thanks for your help!

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 22:24:53 »
You only need to know 6 things....

BUY a quickfire rapid...


Blank pbt keycaps are best...


BLANK abs keycaps are FINE, as long as you pick a BRIGHT color, as in "NOT BLACK"


Stupid lettering on keys are for children and their "colors"....


Aluminum case is a total waste of money, but will make your keyboard feel "SOLID"


Topre keyboards feel exactly like Rubberdome because IT IS rubber-dome, the only difference they have a lower probability of deteriorating as quickly in feel,

                    ____THERE is also nothing wrong with rubber dome keyboards, if you like them, that is FINE......... the trouble with Topre is people making them sound like a "tear of the gods" when topre is more like  "gilded spoon", shiny useful, but NOT a gift from heaven.

Okay whoa.  That is probably not the first time you want to throw at a new member.

Welcome to Geekhack, we're glad youre into keyboards.  We're all into them as well, so feel free to ask any questions and we can help you as best as possible. 

How do you like the Razer Blackwidow? If you like that, I can assure you that in no time you will fall in love with any other type of keyboard.  Razer keyboards are kind of considered entry level keyboards around here.

Now a quickfire rapid is not a bad idea to start with, but you can always look toward other options. 

What did you want to learn about keyboards? Despite it being such a simple object that we use everyday, there are tons of things about them, especially when it comes to mechanical keyboards.

In response to your questions,

A PBT keycap is a keycap made of different material rather than the standard which is ABS.  ABS is cheaper and gets shinier quicker, but can still be nice.  For example, an ABS doubleshot is one of the most coveted keys around here, because of the way that it is built.   

There are tons of guides around here, and here is a great one you can start with.

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide

It's kind of long, but its a good read.  Check it out, and let us know if you have any other questions.  Most of the questions you asked should be addressed in that guide.

Although all the posts were helpful, and I appreciate them all, I will respond to this post as I found it most helpful. I really enjoy the blackwidow. I wish I got the ultimate for the back-lit keys. I love the tactile feel of the blues but I am interested in trying different switches when I get my hands on the UST.

I'd like to learn the different customizations of keyboards. I love to customize thigns and make them my own. For example, different types of keycaps. What's best? Different switches. Cherry or Alps? Is it worth changing springs and keeping switches? Stuff like that is what I am interested in. Now I was looking into the CM trigger with the greens but I don't want to switch until I try the other keys on the UST.

Thanks for your help!

if you like the blues which i believe are on the blackwidow, youll like the greens. they are just tougher blues. about twice the pressure as blues. better in my opinion.

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 22:34:53 »
You only need to know 6 things....

BUY a quickfire rapid...


Blank pbt keycaps are best...


BLANK abs keycaps are FINE, as long as you pick a BRIGHT color, as in "NOT BLACK"


Stupid lettering on keys are for children and their "colors"....


Aluminum case is a total waste of money, but will make your keyboard feel "SOLID"


Topre keyboards feel exactly like Rubberdome because IT IS rubber-dome, the only difference they have a lower probability of deteriorating as quickly in feel,

                    ____THERE is also nothing wrong with rubber dome keyboards, if you like them, that is FINE......... the trouble with Topre is people making them sound like a "tear of the gods" when topre is more like  "gilded spoon", shiny useful, but NOT a gift from heaven.

Okay whoa.  That is probably not the first time you want to throw at a new member.

Welcome to Geekhack, we're glad youre into keyboards.  We're all into them as well, so feel free to ask any questions and we can help you as best as possible. 

How do you like the Razer Blackwidow? If you like that, I can assure you that in no time you will fall in love with any other type of keyboard.  Razer keyboards are kind of considered entry level keyboards around here.

Now a quickfire rapid is not a bad idea to start with, but you can always look toward other options. 

What did you want to learn about keyboards? Despite it being such a simple object that we use everyday, there are tons of things about them, especially when it comes to mechanical keyboards.

In response to your questions,

A PBT keycap is a keycap made of different material rather than the standard which is ABS.  ABS is cheaper and gets shinier quicker, but can still be nice.  For example, an ABS doubleshot is one of the most coveted keys around here, because of the way that it is built.   

There are tons of guides around here, and here is a great one you can start with.

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide

It's kind of long, but its a good read.  Check it out, and let us know if you have any other questions.  Most of the questions you asked should be addressed in that guide.

Although all the posts were helpful, and I appreciate them all, I will respond to this post as I found it most helpful. I really enjoy the blackwidow. I wish I got the ultimate for the back-lit keys. I love the tactile feel of the blues but I am interested in trying different switches when I get my hands on the UST.

I'd like to learn the different customizations of keyboards. I love to customize thigns and make them my own. For example, different types of keycaps. What's best? Different switches. Cherry or Alps? Is it worth changing springs and keeping switches? Stuff like that is what I am interested in. Now I was looking into the CM trigger with the greens but I don't want to switch until I try the other keys on the UST.

Thanks for your help!

I can understand that you "want" to customize.. But the truth is the "sensible choices" are VERY limited..

For example,, yes they make lots of motherboards and cpus and graphic cards,, BUT nearly everyone and their mom in the "hobby" who did the research end up with a 2500k // 3570k


There really isn't all that much you can do, especially in the keyboard arena, because in the end, the difference between the switches and keyboards make LITTLE to NO difference in your actual "performance"...


So just pick the prettiest thing that you're willing to spend the money on, and call it..

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 23:29:28 »

Although all the posts were helpful, and I appreciate them all, I will respond to this post as I found it most helpful. I really enjoy the blackwidow. I wish I got the ultimate for the back-lit keys. I love the tactile feel of the blues but I am interested in trying different switches when I get my hands on the UST.

I'd like to learn the different customizations of keyboards. I love to customize thigns and make them my own. For example, different types of keycaps. What's best? Different switches. Cherry or Alps? Is it worth changing springs and keeping switches? Stuff like that is what I am interested in. Now I was looking into the CM trigger with the greens but I don't want to switch until I try the other keys on the UST.

Thanks for your help!

No problem at all.  Glad to help :)

In terms of customization, you have tons of options. 

So now that you know about the various types of switches and what they do, it's ultimately up to you try to them out and test them. It's really a matter of personal preference. 

What's the best?  Some people prefer PBT, some prefer ABS.  The finish matters a lot too.   I had a set of ABS keys that were pad-printed (epoxy type ink laid on top of the keys) and I really hated it, but my stock Ducky Shine II keys are enamel coated which I really like that makes them semi-smooth with a matte finish.

PBT is generally somewhat stiff, somewhat rough finish. It's definitely a stiffer material than ABS, and can handle more temperature too (like that matters), so you can expect a slightly higher pitched clack.  Keep in mind that there are "thick" and "thin" PBT keycaps as well.  PBT generally lasts longer than ABS, however, and are also usually more expensive.  However, you cannot double-shot PBT (yet, SP is testing this actually), and in my opinion, double-shot ABS caps are awesome. You can, however, dye-sub, which has its advantages and disadvantages.  I think the guide covered a lot of this so I won't repeat information, but if you get lost please let me know and I can fill in details.

Alps vs Cherry?  I think Cherry all the way vs Alps.  Alps are generally a lot cheaper, and not very popular, especially if you want to customize.  I rarely see custom key caps made for Alps keyboards, if at all.  Cherry is very smooth and nice, but people can always argue that Topre is the best keyboard.  I've never personally tried, and I've heard mixed opinions, so that is ultimately again, up to you to try and test it out.  All I can say that is that they are pricey keyboards, although they do use some pretty cool technology. 

Keep in mind that Topre and Cherry have different key plungers, so key caps made for Cherry will not fit on a Topre.  That being said, Cherry is by far the most popular and customizable key around.  It is also easy to work with, and widely available for replacement.  So, as an introductory switch, I think Cherry would be the best for you, since you like to customize.

It can and can not be worth changing springs and switches.  It depends on what you really want, and also what kind of board the keyboard is. 

So for starters, generally a keyboard with be plate-mounted or PCB mounted.

A plate mounted keyboard will have a steel plate mounted over the PCB (printed circuit board) where all the switches, controllers and electronics are placed.  This is placed there for stiffness, solidarity, added weight to the keyboard (matters for some), and of course to mount the switches on.  These keyboard are generally more heavy, have a more solid feel to them, but...are much harder to work on.  You cannot remove switches without taking the cover off, disconnecting controller and USB cables, desoldering the switches (and LEDs if you have a backlit keyboard), and then you can open up the switch you want to work on.  In a nutshell, you cannot efficiently lube, change switch or spring for that matter in these types of boards without desoldering.  Desoldering is not hard, but is a tedious process where small errors can lead to detrimental situations, but we can get you prepped for that too.  A few tips goes a long way, but don't start without them.

A PCB mounted board is different in that it has the switches mounted directly onto the PCB, and also the switches will need two additional pins for solidarity that the metal plate that isn't there used to provide.  These boards generally are lighter, feel a little more mushy, but highly customizable.  You can easily remove the switch tops and plungers for lubing and change springs very easily on these keyboards.

As for key cap switching, as you can expect, changing both are the same.  Don't EVER use the little plastic key cap pullers.  You will scratch your key caps, and also they suck at pulling the larger modifier keys.  Invest in a simple $6 filco or WASD or leopold puller, as in the future, if you get into this hobby, some of your keycaps will cost quadruple that amount, easily.

First, try the different keys, and see if you like the switches.  It honestly may not be worth going through all this because number 1, korean springs that people like to put in their keyboards are not easily or cheaply obtained, and 2, if you start with the plate-mounted board, this will be extremely time consuming. 

Last but not least, the CM storm with greens is not a bad choice.  The CM storm is definitely one of the better cheaper boards that are worth the money.  See if you like stiff keys.  In my personal experience, I tried blacks but I didn't like them compared to Reds.  I like my keys very soft, which is nice for typing long reports and such, but again, user preference. 

Backlit is nice, I really like my Ducky Shine II, and I think you should look into that as your next keyboard if you like backlit.  The quality is great, and LEDs are awesome, and there are a lot of modes on this keyboard you wont find on anything else, like the reactive mode and the user customizable profiles (you can set which ones stay lit and stay off)

However, backlit key caps are not that popular, especially when it comes to custom keyboards, so keep that in mind. 

I hope I addressed most of your concerns, let me know if there was anything you weren't sure of and I'll try to help you out!  Good luck :)


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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 02:36:09 »
About 3 months ago I purchased my first mechanical keyboard which I am still using now: Razer Blackwidow
oh, i made the same mistake.

I instantly fell in love with it after using rubber domes my entire life.
you will like other mechanical keyboards (which are most likely of higher quality) even more. there's much fun for you to discover!
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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 06:57:13 »
It feels weird to almost fully agree with tp4tissue for once (Although having never tried a topre board I can't validate that)...

...Maybe I'm in curious with him.

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 08:02:53 »
Some really good points made above.
But let me just give my 2 cents.

I think with keyboards, keycaps etc, the rate-limiting step is going to be budget.

So what you should do, is figure out how much you are comfortable with spending on keyboards. Multiply this by 10 (I am not exaggerating, this is realistically how much you will actually end up spending).
Then research what you want to get etc.
And ONLY buy what you REALLY REALLY want to. (I made the mistake of buying something I only might have wanted. For example, I bought about $200 in random keycaps from techkeys, keypop wasdkeyboards etc., and realised I could have bought an ironman and then some with that. Which I would have much preferred. I am not saying I don't like the keycaps, but opportunity cost :P).

Just another suggestion, don't have too many friends who are also into keyboards, you feed off of each others addictions :(

But I am just joking haha =D. Welcome to the community =D

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:14:14 »
Some really good points made above.
But let me just give my 2 cents.

I think with keyboards, keycaps etc, the rate-limiting step is going to be budget.

So what you should do, is figure out how much you are comfortable with spending on keyboards. Multiply this by 10 (I am not exaggerating, this is realistically how much you will actually end up spending).
Then research what you want to get etc.
And ONLY buy what you REALLY REALLY want to. (I made the mistake of buying something I only might have wanted. For example, I bought about $200 in random keycaps from techkeys, keypop wasdkeyboards etc., and realised I could have bought an ironman and then some with that. Which I would have much preferred. I am not saying I don't like the keycaps, but opportunity cost :P).

Just another suggestion, don't have too many friends who are also into keyboards, you feed off of each others addictions :(

But I am just joking haha =D. Welcome to the community =D

I'd imagine keyboarding is a solitary hobby.... cuz you don't really want to "share" the board with anyone, and get their germs on it....;D


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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:19:50 »
Well, that's not always true since I usually buy key caps in a set of three or so (the same one) and I give them out to my friends.  It's just cool to give people options of where they want to stick certain keys, and I think it adds flavor.  Just me though. I must admit, it is hard to find a lot of people who are willing to shell out hundreds on something that can be easily obtained for $40, although it will be sooOoOO inferior.

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:24:08 »
Well, that's not always true since I usually buy key caps in a set of three or so (the same one) and I give them out to my friends.  It's just cool to give people options of where they want to stick certain keys, and I think it adds flavor.  Just me though. I must admit, it is hard to find a lot of people who are willing to shell out hundreds on something that can be easily obtained for $40, although it will be sooOoOO inferior.

I don't think the $40 boards are inferior... since no one types faster on a mechanical vs el'regular

What $40 does do usually, is get you an ugly board..

So far I'd suppose that for the "most" part, I bought into the mechanical board thing because I thought it "looked" pretty.. and they were the only keyboards available with blank keycaps.

If I really think about it,, it's a total waste of money, because I hardly EVER look at my keycaps // keyboard... ;D

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:27:09 »
Well, that's not always true since I usually buy key caps in a set of three or so (the same one) and I give them out to my friends.  It's just cool to give people options of where they want to stick certain keys, and I think it adds flavor.  Just me though. I must admit, it is hard to find a lot of people who are willing to shell out hundreds on something that can be easily obtained for $40, although it will be sooOoOO inferior.

I don't think the $40 boards are inferior... since no one types faster on a mechanical vs el'regular

What $40 does do usually, is get you an ugly board..

So far I'd suppose that for the "most" part, I bought into the mechanical board thing because I thought it "looked" pretty.. and they were the only keyboards available with blank keycaps.

If I really think about it,, it's a total waste of money, because I hardly EVER look at my keycaps // keyboard... ;D

hahaha...I must admit...I'm there for the same reason.  But ultimately, it was typing on my friend's keyboard with Mx Reds that made me fall in love. 

To be honest, its about the functionality.  Don't get me wrong, there are some sweet rubber domes out there for a decent price, but for consistent performance and such, mechanical is where its at, and where it's going to be. 

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 17:59:23 »
Well, that's not always true since I usually buy key caps in a set of three or so (the same one) and I give them out to my friends.  It's just cool to give people options of where they want to stick certain keys, and I think it adds flavor.  Just me though. I must admit, it is hard to find a lot of people who are willing to shell out hundreds on something that can be easily obtained for $40, although it will be sooOoOO inferior.

I don't think the $40 boards are inferior... since no one types faster on a mechanical vs el'regular

What $40 does do usually, is get you an ugly board..

So far I'd suppose that for the "most" part, I bought into the mechanical board thing because I thought it "looked" pretty.. and they were the only keyboards available with blank keycaps.

If I really think about it,, it's a total waste of money, because I hardly EVER look at my keycaps // keyboard... ;D

hahaha...I must admit...I'm there for the same reason.  But ultimately, it was typing on my friend's keyboard with Mx Reds that made me fall in love. 

To be honest, its about the functionality.  Don't get me wrong, there are some sweet rubber domes out there for a decent price, but for consistent performance and such, mechanical is where its at, and where it's going to be. 

I don't think speed is the MAIN reason people buy mechanicals for. It is one of a few.

I personally bought it because of the sound it makes, and the fact that it requires so much less effort to type on. I never find that my fingers get tired from typing on them. But when I had my old Logitech G110 (or something :P), I always found my fingers would get destroyed after a few hours of solid typing.

Mechanicals4lyf.

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 18:13:37 »
To some people, shoes are just something to keep their feet warm or clean or dry.

Some people are very interested in how their "feet" look.

Others need to be able to walk for miles in maximum comfort.

And there are professionals who need maximum performance for mere seconds or minutes at a time, in a narrow range of motions.

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That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 18:41:22 »
if you like the blues which i believe are on the blackwidow, youll like the greens. they are just tougher blues. about twice the pressure as blues. better in my opinion.

Can't wait for the mailman to deliver my CM QFR with greens (SGK-4000-GKCG1-US)
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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 18:43:54 »
To some people, shoes are just something to keep their feet warm or clean or dry.

Some people are very interested in how their "feet" look.

Others need to be able to walk for miles in maximum comfort.

And there are professionals who need maximum performance for mere seconds or minutes at a time, in a narrow range of motions.



Is this your subtle way of admitting you have a foot fetish?

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 18:55:39 »
To some people, shoes are just something to keep their feet warm or clean or dry.

Some people are very interested in how their "feet" look.

Others need to be able to walk for miles in maximum comfort.

And there are professionals who need maximum performance for mere seconds or minutes at a time, in a narrow range of motions.



Is this your subtle way of admitting you have a foot fetish?

Maybe maybe not but I do like the analogy he made.

It's funny how a simple input device can satisfy so many needs.
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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 19:14:14 »
To some people, shoes are just something to keep their feet warm or clean or dry.

Some people are very interested in how their "feet" look.

Others need to be able to walk for miles in maximum comfort.

And there are professionals who need maximum performance for mere seconds or minutes at a time, in a narrow range of motions.



Is this your subtle way of admitting you have a foot fetish?

Maybe maybe not but I do like the analogy he made.

It's funny how a simple input device can satisfy so many needs.

you just made it weird....

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Re: New here and to mechanical keyboards, but already in love.
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 25 January 2013, 19:32:22 »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feTrJSWnqdk

PS - I need to be able to walk for miles in maximum comfort.
"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
- Marc Sumner 2025-05-30