Light Bleeding on Cooler Master Quick Fire TK keyboards

[wetto]

Can people over in the U.S and other countries confirm that there's light bleeding on CM Quick Fire TK units?



Different keyboard, still the same problem:



I have a thread on the biggest Brazilian IT forum and it seems that ALL CM Quick Fire TK keyboards (ISO-ABNT2 Layout, Cherry MX Brown, White Backlit) that people received has this problem.

I want to know if it's a localized problem or if people just aren't noticing it yet.

And yes, I know that it's normal to have a small dot with light bleeding (though it's actually a point where there's no paint, happens on non-backlit keyboards too) due to how keycaps are made:



But come on, the bleeding I've seen on my Cooler Master Trigger and other keyboards isn't even near to what's happening with the Quick Fire TK.

[Carter]

We will take action on this issue immediately.

Will update with information as soon as I speak with my HQ PM. He is @ the factory as we speak.

[tp4tissue]

Well....... you could take the caps off, and a apply some permenant marker to the "INSIDE" ... OR black electrical tape...

[wetto]

Well....... you could take the caps off, and a apply some permenant marker to the "INSIDE" ... OR black electrical tape...

People normally recommend black nail polish, but come on, all keyboards are having this problem, it's just ridiculous.

[Megaweapon]

Wow, this is not the kind of light bleed I expected this topic to be about.  Shocking.

I will buy a backlit mech keyboard from the first company that eliminates light bleed around the outside of the keys (so only the legends are lit).

[tp4tissue]

Well....... you could take the caps off, and a apply some permenant marker to the "INSIDE" ... OR black electrical tape...

People normally recommend black nail polish, but come on, all keyboards are having this problem, it's just ridiculous.

yea sure, I just assumed permanent marker// electrical tape, because this forum is primarily male.

If you want to raid yo-mama's dress up kit, by all means GFI

[Glod]

yo-moma got black nail polish? she goth?

[bazemk1979]

wetto this is the case with every single backlight keyboard out there brother, its sort of normal between having perfection of legends being properly set under the LED's and the way the housing and the keycap not letting any shine go trough.... I think its just asking too much. I had few backlight boards, it never actually bothered me the bleed,  its normal.

[wetto]

wetto this is the case with every single backlight keyboard out there brother, its sort of normal between having perfection of legends being properly set under the LED's and the way the housing and the keycap not letting any shine go trough.... I think its just asking too much. I had few backlight boards, it never actually bothered me the bleed,  its normal.

I'm not sure it's normal when it happens on some keycaps and not on others...



Besides, nothing similar happens on my CM Storm Trigger.

No wonder, though... Just take a look at their keycaps:

Trigger:



TK:

[wetto]

This should make things easier to understand:

CM Storm Trigger:





CM Quick Fire TK:

[Abacus1234]

This "problem" you speak of.

I think it makes the keyboard look really good. I love the way the lights on my TK shine off the red backplate and illuminate everything around the keys. I don't think this happened by accident.

[wetto]

This "problem" you speak of.

I think it makes the keyboard look really good. I love the way the lights on my TK shine off the red backplate and illuminate everything around the keys. I don't think this happened by accident.

Thing is, mate. This version has Brown backplate, which doesn't really illuminates everything around the keys very well as yours. Besides, why does it happens only with specific keys?

I know that reflexes and mold markings are natural and inevitable, I don't have anything against them, but now, that kind of Light Bleeding on the rear of the keycap for no reason at all? Honestly, that needs to be some sort of problem with the painting of certain keycaps.

[Surnia]

Abacus, I think the problem wetto's referring to is the fact that the light is bleeding THROUGH the cap, the paint layer's too thin.

His last set of images is showing it pretty well...

Am I the only one who's somewhat impressed by the response speed of CM on that? >_>

[wetto]

F8 Key on both pictures, two diffent units of the same keyboard:

 

[davkol]

This "problem" you speak of.

I think it makes the keyboard look really good. I love the way the lights on my TK shine off the red backplate and illuminate everything around the keys. I don't think this happened by accident.

Now I wish I had taken some pictures when I played with some keycaps around a bit. Light bleeding (not plate reflections) on thin ABS looks fugly, but to each their own.

[omgFiRE]

I will buy a backlit mech keyboard from the first company that eliminates light bleed around the outside of the keys (so only the legends are lit).

Art Lebedev Optimus Maximus? 

[Lunartuna]

1. This happens on every bright LED backlit board. And I also think the LED shining up onto the keycap like that looks good. One of the reasons I bought a white LED Ducky Shine 2 was so the LED shines through everywhere and lights up inbetween the keycaps when I have my Black on Black PBT set on.

2. White LED(TK) is going to be a lot brighter than Red LED(storm trigger).

3. Why are you staring at the back side of your keyboard anyways? When are you ever going to see that? Sit in normal typing and gaming position and you wont even see what your pointing out. 

[Abacus1234]

Yeah, I suppose the keycaps sort of suck. I wont deny that.

[tp4tissue]

Abacus, I think the problem wetto's referring to is the fact that the light is bleeding THROUGH the cap, the paint layer's too thin.

His last set of images is showing it pretty well...

Am I the only one who's somewhat impressed by the response speed of CM on that? >_>

I don't think this is really even a problem... since the fix is trivial....

It's like you tore a piece of paper, just put some tape on it... instead.. let's all whine about it on the internet... ..

Naw... I think it's great that you'll brought this to the attention of the manufacturers, they must know...

[Surnia]

I don't think this is really even a problem... since the fix is trivial....

It's like you tore a piece of paper, just put some tape on it... instead.. let's all whine about it on the internet... ..

Naw... I think it's great that you'll brought this to the attention of the manufacturers, they must know...

From our perspective as GHers and people who like to tinker with their boards, we know its a trivial fix. In the grand scheme of costs, we know its cheap, and maybe even borderline enough to just harvest switches off of them.

However as a finished product that an uninformed consumer buys and uses, its a big deal. Those people spend $90, they want it handed to them on a silver platter by a butler named Jeeves, who will give you the fanciest fountain pen to sign the money off on the credit card. Thin paint on my keys for $90?? that's utterly unacceptable.


I've seen customers come in for a coupon adjustment for $0.31. They spent 10 minutes waiting in line, JUST for that coupon. As a mass market product with a "premium" price tag, it better damned well be flawless.

[wetto]

I don't think this is really even a problem... since the fix is trivial....

It's like you tore a piece of paper, just put some tape on it... instead.. let's all whine about it on the internet... ..

Naw... I think it's great that you'll brought this to the attention of the manufacturers, they must know...

From our perspective as GHers and people who like to tinker with their boards, we know its a trivial fix. In the grand scheme of costs, we know its cheap, and maybe even borderline enough to just harvest switches off of them.

However as a finished product that an uninformed consumer buys and uses, its a big deal. Those people spend $90, they want it handed to them on a silver platter by a butler named Jeeves, who will give you the fanciest fountain pen to sign the money off on the credit card. Thin paint on my keys for $90?? that's utterly unacceptable.


I've seen customers come in for a coupon adjustment for $0.31. They spent 10 minutes waiting in line, JUST for that coupon. As a mass market product with a "premium" price tag, it better damned well be flawless.

Exactly, the problem is, I'm the author of the only Brazilian Portuguese Mechanical Keyboard guide and I'm the one people ask for when they want a new keyboard and when you finally find a backlit mechanical keyboard which has our ISO-ABNT2 layout (few do) and doesn't costs over US$ 200, this kind of thing happens (it costs around US$ 150, but just so you guys know, taxes are terrible over here, but sellers also make keyboards cost ridiculous prices, a Razer Blackwidow Ultimate costs US$ 300 and the 2013 about US$ 350, a CM Storm Trigger US$ 320, a Corsair K90 about US$ 280, a Thermaltake Meka G-Unit US$ 225 and a CM Quick Fire Rapid about US$ 120~160).

Now, just imagine, you recommended a US$ 150 mechanical keyboard to a rookie who doesn't knows anything at all about mechanical keyboards. He doesn't even knows that backlit keyboards use a special method of painting so that the light can shine through and they find themselves with this kind of keyboard with a ****ty thin painting that looks god damn awful from a certain perspective.

And also, some keycap's painting also seems to wear out...

[therecorder]

I received my Quick Fire TK, with Browns, from PCHome (Taiwan), yesterday.  Although the photos of the keyboard showed English only keycaps, and there was no opportunity to select an English or Chinese keyboard, the one I received was the Chinese version.  Actually the two versions are the same except that the Chinese version's keycaps are English/Chinese ones.  At first, I was quite surprised and a little disappointed, but now I like it's uniqueness.

With respect to a "see through" paint job, I can see only a faint glow on the back of the F1-F4 keycaps, and then only when the backighting is at the mid to maximum level.  There is no other glowing on the front, back, or sides of any other keycaps.  Actually, the backlighting of the board is the best of all the backlit boards that I own (1 Blackwidow Ultimate, 1 Shine I, 2 KeyCool 87s, 1 Pure, and 1 Race).  Really sharp/crisp, and very even, with no bleeding.  Took me a while to figure out how to use the backlighting, and to figure out that you can permanently turn on or off the Function key by holding it down for a few seconds (a very convenient function).  The browns are almost as smooth as my Filco browns (have 3), but feel are a bit heavier - For me, this is OK, because it seems to cause the tactile bump to be a bit more pronounced, which I like.  Quality is great, and, for me, the board is hefty enough.

The only little complaint that I have is that you can't turn off the backlighting of the four Arrow keys, unless you engage the Numbers Lock.  This isn't so nice appearing and a bit of a distraction when you are using the board without backlighting.  Perhaps I am missing something, and someone who owns this board can tell me how to alleviate this problem.

For the price, this board is a good deal.

EDIT:  Some might feel that the lowest setting for backlighting could be a little dimmer.

The "glow through" of the F1-F4 keycaps (interestingly, the backlighting control keys) probably indicates that these keycaps were painted separately from all other "batches" of keycaps.