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Offline khaangaaroo

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Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« on: Tue, 30 April 2013, 12:15:40 »
This is stemming from the original interest check thread here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42954.0
Check that thread for details on how JH Blues work and descriptions of what they feel like.

If you would like to participate, PM me your name and address, and I'll start a list. If we can get at least 10 people confirmed, I'll start the tour.

- After using the board for one week, you must ship the board to the next person with tracking.
- Shipping order will be determined based on zip code and lowest overall cost to the group.
- You can reply to this thread with a short review if you want.

Newer members might have to send some kind of deposit as collateral before the board is shipped to them. But I get to decide who participates in the tour. It's my board after all.

May 7: The tour is on! Check out the Google spreadsheet for shipping updates:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aoj3z-eysjuVdEdVTmEySXpOV0trb3gyN0ZIRGJrMkE&usp=sharing

June 4: The board is on it's way back to me for repairs. Tour is delayed until I fix it.

June 7: Fixed. It'll be out to the next person shortly.

Sept 19: Keyboard home. /tour



Shipping order (updated June 13)
phx
fohat.digs
mashby
Photoelectric
Mugen
CPTBadAss
TheBinary
SpAmRaY
Gupgup
rarar
SpAmRaY
Lbeuol
hashbaz
gameaholic
Jalberstone

Possible UK tour if a good number of people sign up
BunnyLake
tom88jerry
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 30 April 2013, 12:17:01 »
Yes please, I'd like to sign up for this tour.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 30 April 2013, 13:09:37 »
Khangaroo, you actually made an entire board with this?

Wow, that's dedication,, PITA.. to the max

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 30 April 2013, 16:58:55 »
Nice to see some more interest in these,  I love mine.

It certainly takes a while, I had it down to about 2 per minute using wire to wrap the stems, your fingers get tired at that pace though, and that doesn't include spring trimming. I think it took me about 3 hours to do mine, but that included adding lube.

Great job khaangaaroo, what did you use to lock the stems? And did you trim the springs or leave them at 80grams?
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 30 April 2013, 17:14:33 »
I used strips of credit card plastic to lock the stems, and I left the springs stock.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 30 April 2013, 17:28:38 »
PM'd

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 30 April 2013, 21:06:33 »
This interests me. PM'd

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 01 May 2013, 04:07:55 »
Now this is rather interesting! Time to do some research on this mod even before I consider participating :D

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 01 May 2013, 05:51:14 »
im in pming now
I'M IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING RIGHT NOW, WILL BE BACK AROUND SOON

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 01 May 2013, 20:59:51 »
Now this is rather interesting! Time to do some research on this mod even before I consider participating :D
Simply put, it creates a short travel Clear.

To get Ergo Clear, you have to trim the springs to bring spring pressures down, which is how I run them.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 01 May 2013, 21:32:55 »
Now this is rather interesting! Time to do some research on this mod even before I consider participating :D
Simply put, it creates a short travel Clear.

To get Ergo Clear, you have to trim the springs to bring spring pressures down, which is how I run them.

Oh, thank you for the information. I guess I can just throw in o-rings into my Clears to get a similar feeling :P

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 01 May 2013, 22:32:24 »
Now this is rather interesting! Time to do some research on this mod even before I consider participating :D
Simply put, it creates a short travel Clear.

To get Ergo Clear, you have to trim the springs to bring spring pressures down, which is how I run them.

Oh, thank you for the information. I guess I can just throw in o-rings into my Clears to get a similar feeling :P
That shortens the overall travel, it does nothing to raise the activation point, which is what this does. Your switches/keys take about 4mm of travel to actuate, Jailhouse Blues require less than 2mm. O-rings only come into effect after the switch actuates.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 01 May 2013, 22:44:04 »
That shortens the overall travel, it does nothing to raise the activation point, which is what this does. Your switches/keys take about 4mm of travel to actuate, Jailhouse Blues require less than 2mm. O-rings only come into effect after the switch actuates.

Ah~ Good point. That makes sense. Hmmmmmm

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Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 01 May 2013, 22:44:55 »
I'm in!

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 01 May 2013, 22:54:11 »
Would like to take part in the tour if possible!

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 05 May 2013, 09:36:00 »
We've got a good cluster of people lined up. Most will only have to pay around $10 to ship to the next person.


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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 05 May 2013, 09:42:03 »
To organise collateral, i think they should pay the value of the board into your PayPal account and that money is returned once the board has arrived at its next destination. If you both gift then it will be free.
unless they have some unforeseeable downside (like they're actually made of cream cheese cunningly disguised as ABS)


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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 05 May 2013, 09:51:45 »
To organise collateral, i think they should pay the value of the board into your PayPal account and that money is returned once the board has arrived at its next destination. If you both gift then it will be free.

That's what I suggested. No one seemed to be down for that...haha. So no fresh members on this tour yet, only vets.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 05 May 2013, 09:59:55 »
Don't think nubs really know what Jailhouse Blues are; want more interset? Change the title to "FREE TRIAL KEYBOARD" :p
unless they have some unforeseeable downside (like they're actually made of cream cheese cunningly disguised as ABS)


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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 05 May 2013, 11:58:57 »
This is pretty esoteric stuff.

I am afraid that I will like it, and have another hours-long project on my hands if I decide to go for it.

The casual user will not have the time or energy to do such a tedious mod. But, it might generate some business for somebody like Small Fry who does things for hire.
What the researchers found is that after controlling for gender, age, education level, and ideology, NFC [Need for Chaos] was strongly correlated with a willingness to spread hostile rumors online. Younger, less educated men were more likely to have a strong NFC, as were people who were lonely and perceived themselves as lacking social status. NFC is associated with support for Donald Trump, which makes sense. Both Trump and to a lesser, and in a qualitatively different way, Sanders offered the 2016 electorate — including all the susceptible, alienated and disenchanted folks who comprise it — a radical departure from the norm, giving voice to sentiments that had probably been bubbling in their followers’ heads for quite a long time.

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

A “Need for Chaos” and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies - Petersen - Osmundsen - Arceneaux 2019

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 05 May 2013, 12:00:47 »
Have you photographed the glued Blues with Clears and/or Browns side-by-side? I'm curious how similar it becomes to Clears.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 05 May 2013, 12:07:16 »
Nope. I didn't think to take any comparison shots.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 05 May 2013, 13:36:55 »
Put me on the list, I'm interested.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 05 May 2013, 16:29:19 »
Have you photographed the glued Blues with Clears and/or Browns side-by-side? I'm curious how similar it becomes to Clears.
If you glue the white part of Blues about 3/4's of the way up, the actuation point would be the same as any other Cherry switch, including Clears.

Surprisingly, Clears have a slightly larger bump for a bit more tactility. However, at some point, you get diminishing returns (you can only get so much tactility) and the slightly smaller bump also means fewer stuck switches compared to Clears.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 07 May 2013, 11:42:26 »
The board will go out to the first person today. It's going to start on the East Coast and work it's way back to me. Here's a map of the route.

Shipping order may change if more people join and happen to be located along the route. Otherwise, latecomers will be tacked on to the end of the list.


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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 09 May 2013, 15:53:13 »
I wanna know how they sound!!!!

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 09 May 2013, 16:05:46 »
I wanna know how they sound!!!!
Same as a Clear.
You only hear the actual switch and bottoming out. No click from the noise-maker.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 09 May 2013, 16:12:23 »
Crap, how did I miss this?  I'm interested if there's a second US tour.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 15 May 2013, 23:41:38 »
Honored to be the first tester of the Jailhouse Blue QFR, here is my take on the board.

It feels very similar to the MX brown but it doesn't bottom out. Basically, take the MX blue and minus the click and the clack.
Because of the additional piece added to the stem I guess it makes the stem a bit too long, that's why it doesn't bottom out.
I've used it for about 5 days for gaming and typing.
Gaming: Didn't really notice a difference, but I suppose the shorter press may be better for double tap?
Typing: Very pleasant to type on, very quiet too so it was nice for the people in the office. It's like the brown with a very soft landing pad.

Video demonstrating the sound (feels a lot louder than it should, with the jailhouse it's much easier to type quietly without producing much sound, I pressed the keys with a fair amount of strength in the video)

Verdict:
a very neat modification, good for those who enjoy the brown but want to reduce the noise generated from bottoming out the switches. definitely requires a lot of work to modify each switch, and if you don't do it perfectly there is a slight difference between the switches, I can still hear a faint click sound on some of the keys.

« Last Edit: Wed, 15 May 2013, 23:43:36 by phx »

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 16 May 2013, 09:27:44 »
Could I still join? My heatware will go up once I finish a trade and my QFR with greens cone in. ;)

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 16 May 2013, 22:08:01 »
Can I try whenever it's to get back to you? I'm in long beach so seems to makes sense logistically.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 16 May 2013, 22:28:13 »
Hrm, I'm interested.  I LOVE MX Browns, and experimenting with similar switches is interesting.  Would also love to try Ergo Clears at some point.  I see that there's a Massachusetts person somewhere in the Boston area drawn on the map already.  I wonder if I could join in with them to have a brief test out since they happen to be nearby.

EDIT: Well, just checked the spreadsheet (didn't realize zip codes were listed), and the board's already away :(  Oh well =/
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 22 May 2013, 21:11:06 »
The first thing that I need to comment on is the CM Quickfire Rapid keyboard itself. I am not a regular user of small boards, by any means (my daily drivers are battleships, if not aircraft carriers), and have never owned a board in this form factor. I was constantly reaching for the number pad, and more importantly, the Enter key on the numpad, the one I use all the time, in preference to the proper one.

The board itself feels very solid and well-made. I am quite impressed with its quality, knowing that it is a low-price keyboard. Its small sturdy footprint and lack of ornamentation might make it my first choice in buying an item of this type, provided that I came with the switches I wanted. Having said that, the F4 is dead and the backspace feels bad, way too stiff and not smooth either. Cooler Master's QC problem, or something else after the fact?

The first time through Aqua Key Test, all keys registered properly, except F4.

After writing that, this:

ARRRRRRGGGHH! About 2/3 of the way through typing this summary, working in Word 2010, and I pressed Control-S to save my work and I was bounced out and logged off of Windows 7! WTF! Both mice were completely dead, too. Later, after a couple of reboots and hot-plugs, I have decided to give up. Subsequent tests such as Aqua Key hinted at a problem centered around the area at the top center ("U" - "7" - "F5" etc) but I couldn't really pinpoint it by pressing keys. I can’t abide not knowing when I will get an unexpected shutdown, it is scary!

I left it on the shelf for 48 hours and hot-plugged it back in. All seemed to be fine, for now. This will be my last entry typed on this board. Although I really like it, my paranoia is too great. I trust that all future testers will report on similar activity, so that we can know whether this was just a random “me” event, or whether there is a gremlin in the works. Update, after working for about 5-10 minutes – crash!

Now, about the switches. I wish that I still had Hashbaz’s tester, to feel these “jailhouse blues” alongside some of their cousins, most notably the browns, clears, and ergo-clears. With the click removed, these are proper tactile switches. I am particularly eager to understand the similarities and differences in comparison between these and clears. Do any of you have both? And could you describe them against each other?

Surprisingly, they do not feel particularly light, I was expecting a feather touch. They are not overly heavy, but more resistant than I was expecting. The only Cherry MX board that I currently own is the G80-11900 with linear blacks, and the touch of these is lighter than them, but the difference in the stroke makes it hard to quantify.

Surely, the nicest thing about them is how high the activation point is. That may account for part of the heavier feel, since the activation is concentrated in a smaller distance than usual and/or there is not that momentum-building “dead zone” at the top of the stroke before activation.

These switches will take some getting used to, but, afterwards, I am sure that a touch typist could really gain some benefit from the short throw.

These are switches that are almost "difficult" to bottom out, since they travel so far after activation. I just had to try it putting pads or O-rings on a couple of keys. The O-ring did not make much difference, but a soft landing pad was nice. I prefer landing pads with blues, anyway. If you are typing efficiently, you will probably seldom go all the way down.

Summary: I really like these switches. I have had a blue board and sold it because the sound was too annoying, but this seems to remove the bad attributes and improve the action with the higher activation point. When I do get around to buying another Cherry board, I was looking at clears, but this might be the better option. And since I have other projects in line, this might be one to farm out, if someone would do it at a low price.

Great idea, great solution, great community service by circulating this tester. Thanks !
« Last Edit: Thu, 23 May 2013, 07:48:24 by fohat.digs »
What the researchers found is that after controlling for gender, age, education level, and ideology, NFC [Need for Chaos] was strongly correlated with a willingness to spread hostile rumors online. Younger, less educated men were more likely to have a strong NFC, as were people who were lonely and perceived themselves as lacking social status. NFC is associated with support for Donald Trump, which makes sense. Both Trump and to a lesser, and in a qualitatively different way, Sanders offered the 2016 electorate — including all the susceptible, alienated and disenchanted folks who comprise it — a radical departure from the norm, giving voice to sentiments that had probably been bubbling in their followers’ heads for quite a long time.

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

A “Need for Chaos” and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies - Petersen - Osmundsen - Arceneaux 2019

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 22 May 2013, 22:56:40 »
Shortening the distance to actuate is a cool idea.
Never thought of actually modding the stems.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 23 May 2013, 00:29:45 »
Eek, sorry to hear about the crashes. I wonder if it has something to do with the malfunctioning F4 (probably from my poor soldering work.) I know some combinations of Ctrl/Alt/F4 will close stuff, and even open up a prompt to shut down windows. I might have to have to postpone the tour while I fix it if the next person has these issues as well.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 23 May 2013, 01:25:39 »
Surprisingly, they do not feel particularly light, I was expecting a feather touch. They are not overly heavy, but more resistant than I was expecting.
Unless you cut the springs, you end up with an 80gram actuation, and these were not cut. Cutting 2() coils off the end brings it down to normal blue/red/brown pressures.


Shortening the distance to actuate is a cool idea.
Never thought of actually modding the stems.

The only way to do it is to stick something in the top between the top of the stem and the switch housing and that won't be easy to do with any sort of consistency.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 23 May 2013, 08:54:36 »

Unless you cut the springs, you end up with an 80gram actuation, and these were not cut. Cutting 2() coils off the end brings it down to normal blue/red/brown pressures.



Ahh. I would want that, too. This is not a trivial mod, but one that might ultimately be worth it.

And in comparison to clears, it is the high activation point that could not be achieved without the help of that white piece on the plunger?




Eek, sorry to hear about the crashes. I wonder if it has something to do with the malfunctioning F4 (probably from my poor soldering work.) I know some combinations of Ctrl/Alt/F4 will close stuff, and even open up a prompt to shut down windows. I might have to have to postpone the tour while I fix it if the next person has these issues as well.




I love keyboard shortcuts. To save and close a document in Word, I will do "Control-S" then "Control-W" and finally "Alt-F4"

Also F5 is very popular with me.
What the researchers found is that after controlling for gender, age, education level, and ideology, NFC [Need for Chaos] was strongly correlated with a willingness to spread hostile rumors online. Younger, less educated men were more likely to have a strong NFC, as were people who were lonely and perceived themselves as lacking social status. NFC is associated with support for Donald Trump, which makes sense. Both Trump and to a lesser, and in a qualitatively different way, Sanders offered the 2016 electorate — including all the susceptible, alienated and disenchanted folks who comprise it — a radical departure from the norm, giving voice to sentiments that had probably been bubbling in their followers’ heads for quite a long time.

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

A “Need for Chaos” and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies - Petersen - Osmundsen - Arceneaux 2019

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 23 May 2013, 16:05:58 »

Unless you cut the springs, you end up with an 80gram actuation, and these were not cut. Cutting 2() coils off the end brings it down to normal blue/red/brown pressures.



Ahh. I would want that, too. This is not a trivial mod, but one that might ultimately be worth it.

And in comparison to clears, it is the high activation point that could not be achieved without the help of that white piece on the plunger?
No, the plunger is the key.
The mod wedges it as far down as possible, this is what moves the activation point.

Clears actually have slightly more tactility, but it's hard to notice. This extra tactility is also why Ergo Clears sometimes stick. If you could force the stem to sit lower, then yes, you could replicate the short travel of Jailhouse Blues, but your keycaps would sit lower into your keyboard. I'm still looking for an easy way to do that.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 23 May 2013, 16:25:49 »
hmm....

as the first tester I also had some random issues hot plugging the board, at that time I thought it was just my computer acting up so I didnt really take note of it.
I remember I plugged it into the USB port while my computer was locked, first few attempts the computer didnt pick up the device, and once it picked it up it was behaving very strangely. Some keys would work but a few keys when pressed would output a bunch of random characters. I eventually got it to work just by replugging it, and once it worked it continued to work just fine. So I still think it's probably the computer fault? Not sure.

Good to read other people's thoughts on the board, and onto the next person we go!  ;D

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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 23 May 2013, 16:32:21 »
hmm....

as the first tester I also had some random issues hot plugging the board, at that time I thought it was just my computer acting up so I didnt really take note of it.
I remember I plugged it into the USB port while my computer was locked, first few attempts the computer didnt pick up the device, and once it picked it up it was behaving very strangely. Some keys would work but a few keys when pressed would output a bunch of random characters. I eventually got it to work just by replugging it, and once it worked it continued to work just fine. So I still think it's probably the computer fault? Not sure.

Good to read other people's thoughts on the board, and onto the next person we go!  ;D


I have a mid-range system with a new-ish Gigabyte motherboard and AMD 4100 CPU.

I generally use a USB hub because the back of my computer case is hard to access. I use a powered USB 3.0 hub and a non-powered USB 2.0 hub. The powered hub was giving me some keyboard trouble on boot-up, so I keep the keyboard hooked up to the unpowered hub.

Since it worked several times before acting up, I have some suspicion that it is the keyboard and not the computer. The fact that it shut down the mice that were connected to the same hub was troubling, but all my original gear seems to be working properly again.
What the researchers found is that after controlling for gender, age, education level, and ideology, NFC [Need for Chaos] was strongly correlated with a willingness to spread hostile rumors online. Younger, less educated men were more likely to have a strong NFC, as were people who were lonely and perceived themselves as lacking social status. NFC is associated with support for Donald Trump, which makes sense. Both Trump and to a lesser, and in a qualitatively different way, Sanders offered the 2016 electorate — including all the susceptible, alienated and disenchanted folks who comprise it — a radical departure from the norm, giving voice to sentiments that had probably been bubbling in their followers’ heads for quite a long time.

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

A “Need for Chaos” and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies - Petersen - Osmundsen - Arceneaux 2019

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 23 May 2013, 23:51:47 »
Khaangaaroo, could you perhaps briefly mention (or post a link about) how you get the switches open on this board.  I've got a QFR but I was under the impression that getting to the internals of the switch on this board required desoldering.  Is that correct?  I have the time/energy to try a similar experiment, but not so much if I have to bust out the soldering iron.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 23 May 2013, 23:58:07 »
Yeah, QFRs require desoldering to remove and take apart the switches. Same goes for all  keyboards with plate-mounted switches, unless the original plate was swapped out for a custom plate.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 30 May 2013, 21:33:24 »
So what is going on here?

Was it just me, or is there a problem with the board?
What the researchers found is that after controlling for gender, age, education level, and ideology, NFC [Need for Chaos] was strongly correlated with a willingness to spread hostile rumors online. Younger, less educated men were more likely to have a strong NFC, as were people who were lonely and perceived themselves as lacking social status. NFC is associated with support for Donald Trump, which makes sense. Both Trump and to a lesser, and in a qualitatively different way, Sanders offered the 2016 electorate — including all the susceptible, alienated and disenchanted folks who comprise it — a radical departure from the norm, giving voice to sentiments that had probably been bubbling in their followers’ heads for quite a long time.

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

A “Need for Chaos” and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies - Petersen - Osmundsen - Arceneaux 2019

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 30 May 2013, 21:36:07 »
I dunno. I told mashby to report back if he had problems. I'll give him a poke.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 31 May 2013, 10:03:00 »
Sorry for the lack of updates on my part. Work has been crushing for the past week. However, CPTBadAss asked me to hold onto it until next week since he wouldn't be able to pick it up until 6/3, so this shouldn't be delay the rest of the tour.

The board arrived and I plan on doing a full review this weekend and shipping the board out on Monday. I've typed on the keyboard, but I have not plugged it into a machine yet due to the issues that fohat.digs reported. I'll of course plug it in when I give the board a full work over and I'll report any issues I run into.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 31 May 2013, 11:14:07 »
OT: Am I the only one who can't stand demo videos where the person just mashes on the keys like a 6-month old baby? I want to heard what it sounds like to actually type on the thing </rant>

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 31 May 2013, 12:04:22 »
Challenge accepted.  ;D

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« Reply #47 on: Fri, 31 May 2013, 12:10:53 »
Challenge accepted.  ;D

Don't be RAGE FIST  typing we want this thing to make it to the rest of us  :))

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 01 June 2013, 15:04:38 »
I'm working on the review now, but I am sorry to say that I too had issues with the keyboard. Specifically, it's Row 4 that has problems and it did cause my computer to reboot.  :'(


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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #49 on: Sat, 01 June 2013, 15:09:20 »
I'm working on the review now, but I am sorry to say that I too had issues with the keyboard. Specifically, it's Row 4 that has problems and it did cause my computer to reboot.  :'(


Thanks for the video and awesome editing! T'was absolutely cute <3

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 01 June 2013, 15:21:23 »
Awww sorry guys. It's time to bring the sucker home for repairs then.

The tour will go on! but if anyone wants out, I'd understand...haha.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 01 June 2013, 17:19:43 »
Technical issues aside, I was really surprised by how much I like these shorter throw switches. Jailhouse Blues ROCK!

I'm still working on the review itself, but I put together a quick video with samples of what it sounds like. You can find it on Vimeo at

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« Reply #52 on: Sat, 01 June 2013, 18:21:49 »
The switches are great.

One of you hired guns for modding should figure out a standard price and there might be quite a bit of work for you.
What the researchers found is that after controlling for gender, age, education level, and ideology, NFC [Need for Chaos] was strongly correlated with a willingness to spread hostile rumors online. Younger, less educated men were more likely to have a strong NFC, as were people who were lonely and perceived themselves as lacking social status. NFC is associated with support for Donald Trump, which makes sense. Both Trump and to a lesser, and in a qualitatively different way, Sanders offered the 2016 electorate — including all the susceptible, alienated and disenchanted folks who comprise it — a radical departure from the norm, giving voice to sentiments that had probably been bubbling in their followers’ heads for quite a long time.

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

A “Need for Chaos” and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies - Petersen - Osmundsen - Arceneaux 2019

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #53 on: Tue, 04 June 2013, 16:46:47 »
Just dropped of the board to ship back to Khaangaaroo via Priority Mail.

Still working on the review and hope to post it soon with photos.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #54 on: Tue, 04 June 2013, 17:02:40 »
I'll you guys know once I figure out what's wrong with it. I'm adding Photoelectric to the mix and moving Mugen back up, assuming he'll be back from his trip once the board is ready to head back out. Check the updated list for the new order.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 04 June 2013, 17:05:04 »
Thank you--I'm extremely intrigued.  I tried MX Clears and Ergo Clears today, and I really liked them.  These Jailhouse Blues sound even potentially better.
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« Reply #56 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 03:40:47 »
So the board was returned to me today, and I took it apart when I got home from work. I didn't see anything out of the ordinary except the internal USB connector was slightly loose. (Not the cause of the problem though.) I put it back together and it worked fine again! Then it hit me, the QWER UIOP keys not working on QFR's has been mentioned in a few threads before. I even posted in one of them! (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35523.0)
Over tightening of the screw on the bottom can somehow cause keys in row 4 to go out. I should have paid more attention to mashby's video about which keys weren't working and connected the dots. :-[

I open my QFR's up pretty often, so I never bother to keep the screw in. But I reinstalled the screw right before starting the tour, thinking it would help keep the board more rigid during shipping, so it eventually caused problems. I'll leave the screw out when I continue the tour.

But I'm glad we got the board home for a pit stop. I replaced the bad F4 switch, and put tighter spacers in the keys that were still making a slight click (phx mentioned in his review.) Man, I forgot how time consuming it was to mod regular blues into JH Blues...haha. I'll test the board out some more tomorrow to make sure everything works before sending it out again. Thanks for your patience, guys!

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« Reply #57 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 05:11:43 »
Glad it wasn't anything major!

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 05:58:31 »
Sounds good khaangaroo! Really excited to try this out and to write a review ^-^
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« Reply #59 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 08:08:05 »
Good deal.

Jailhouse blues are wicked bad.

What the researchers found is that after controlling for gender, age, education level, and ideology, NFC [Need for Chaos] was strongly correlated with a willingness to spread hostile rumors online. Younger, less educated men were more likely to have a strong NFC, as were people who were lonely and perceived themselves as lacking social status. NFC is associated with support for Donald Trump, which makes sense. Both Trump and to a lesser, and in a qualitatively different way, Sanders offered the 2016 electorate — including all the susceptible, alienated and disenchanted folks who comprise it — a radical departure from the norm, giving voice to sentiments that had probably been bubbling in their followers’ heads for quite a long time.

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

A “Need for Chaos” and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies - Petersen - Osmundsen - Arceneaux 2019

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« Reply #60 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 08:57:17 »
Good deal.

Jailhouse blues are wicked bad.

So bad they are..... good? ;)

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 09:31:32 »
Glad it was a relatively easy fix!  Looking forward to trying the switches!
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« Reply #62 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 13:29:20 »
Ok, it's heading out again. If you guys could reuse the original packaging and pack it the same way, I'd appreciate it. I also included some blank shipping labels. The old one should peel off easily.
Here are the specs if you want to print shipping labels from home: 3lbs 12oz (15" x 12" x 3")
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« Reply #63 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 13:33:38 »
Awesome!  I've got some nice light soft white "cloth" that my IKEA Expedit shelving was wrapped into to wrap the keyboard into as well, under bubble wrap (if that's what you're using).
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« Reply #64 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 13:37:17 »
Am I next in line? And is it ok if I just write out the address since I don't have a printer?
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« Reply #65 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 13:39:29 »
I can't wait till its my turn, thanks for putting me on the list Khaangaaroo!

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« Reply #66 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 13:41:00 »
CPTBadAss: There's an up-to-date list in the first post--you'll be the 3rd person on the way, I believe.  I don't have a printer either, but I either print at work, or at Staples (across the street, they offer 10c a page black and white printing--very convenient for quick USPS / UPS labels).  It's cheaper to pre-pay USPS Priority on-line and print out a label somewhere, if it's not too inconvenient, but you can always write out labels by hand, of course! 
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« Reply #67 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 13:42:01 »
Awesome!  I've got some nice light soft white "cloth" that my IKEA Expedit shelving was wrapped into to wrap the keyboard into as well, under bubble wrap (if that's what you're using).

I just have it in the original QFR box. But I have bubble wrap and a foam sheet cut to size so that the QFR box doesn't shift around inside the Amazon box. It was in a larger box before, and the QFR box was starting to rip at the corners from all the tumbling around.

Am I next in line? And is it ok if I just write out the address since I don't have a printer?

You'll be after Photoelectric and Mugen. I changed the order cause Photoelectic is farther east, and Mugen should be back from his trip.
Yeah, you can just write the address on a blank shipping label.
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« Reply #68 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 13:43:40 »
Ah ok, I thought I was still in line after mashby. That is fine. Thanks! And I don't ship things too often so I still go to the post office...so old school I know :P
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« Reply #69 on: Fri, 07 June 2013, 15:32:36 »
Ah ok, I thought I was still in line after mashby. That is fine. Thanks! And I don't ship things too often so I still go to the post office...so old school I know :P

Yeah, you were closest geographically to mashby, but because the board came back to me on the west coast, it's cheaper for everyone overall if I start it out again in Massachusetts.

For the old school folks that go to the post office, it'd be good if you could ship it to the next person via Priority Mail rather than Standard Post (ground.) It cost only a little bit more, but it seems to me that Priority Mail packages are handled with more care, and of course it's father. They also don't group them with oversized packages with the potential to crush keyboards :P

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #70 on: Sat, 08 June 2013, 01:26:20 »
While the board was home, I took some comparison shots between different stems. Maybe it'll help people better visualize what they're feeling when they use it. The anatomy of the Jail House Blue stem:

The bump is bigger than a brown stem, and closer to the top of key travel.


The reduced travel distance comes from the white half of the stem extending lower than regular mx keys and hitting the bottom of the switch housing sooner.
The bottoming out sound is muted because instead of the sound of impact going directly from the stem to the key cap, it goes from the white part of the stem > spacer > blue part of the stem > key cap.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #71 on: Sat, 08 June 2013, 01:42:05 »
Man, I forgot how time consuming it was to mod regular blues into JH Blues...haha.
That is one very big downside to them.

I was lucky in that I developed them and the spring tensions on a board without a plate, got them all working and tested, before putting them into a Filco. I would have gone insane and more than likely destroyed the board before I finished them had I needed to unsolder every time I changed something.
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« Reply #72 on: Sat, 08 June 2013, 06:10:26 »
Good to know this is back underway! Also cool pics!

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« Reply #73 on: Sat, 08 June 2013, 08:05:29 »
Man, I forgot how time consuming it was to mod regular blues into JH Blues...haha.
That is one very big downside to them.

I was lucky in that I developed them and the spring tensions on a board without a plate, got them all working and tested, before putting them into a Filco. I would have gone insane and more than likely destroyed the board before I finished them had I needed to unsolder every time I changed something.

Some of you workbench jockeys need to come up with a standard price for doing this. These are HIGHLY DESIRABLE switches, and I dislike blues!
What the researchers found is that after controlling for gender, age, education level, and ideology, NFC [Need for Chaos] was strongly correlated with a willingness to spread hostile rumors online. Younger, less educated men were more likely to have a strong NFC, as were people who were lonely and perceived themselves as lacking social status. NFC is associated with support for Donald Trump, which makes sense. Both Trump and to a lesser, and in a qualitatively different way, Sanders offered the 2016 electorate — including all the susceptible, alienated and disenchanted folks who comprise it — a radical departure from the norm, giving voice to sentiments that had probably been bubbling in their followers’ heads for quite a long time.

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

A “Need for Chaos” and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies - Petersen - Osmundsen - Arceneaux 2019

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« Reply #74 on: Sat, 08 June 2013, 16:38:06 »
Some of you workbench jockeys need to come up with a standard price for doing this. These are HIGHLY DESIRABLE switches, and I dislike blues!
Other than possibly having to de-solder, it's not a difficult process, just fickle and time consuming.


I may have found a MUCH easier way to do this though, I will do some testing tonight.
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« Reply #75 on: Mon, 10 June 2013, 18:52:24 »
I got the keyboard safe and unharmed!  Just opened it up and started testing it.  No issues that I can detect yet.  I'll write a review later, but my first impression is: wow, the short travel distance makes for a very different typing experience vs other MX switches I've tried so far!

Which keycaps are on this keyboard, by the way? Standard thickness ABS?  Or are they thin PBT?  I've never seen PBT in person, so I can't tell :(
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« Reply #76 on: Mon, 10 June 2013, 19:24:28 »
I may have found a MUCH easier way to do this though, I will do some testing tonight.

I tried to print out clips to do the JB mod, but so far, they have yet to function. It's such a small part and accuracy needs to be quite high. Hopefully, I can get it right at some point.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 10 June 2013, 20:12:35 »
I may have found a MUCH easier way to do this though, I will do some testing tonight.

I tried to print out clips to do the JB mod, but so far, they have yet to function. It's such a small part and accuracy needs to be quite high. Hopefully, I can get it right at some point.

Wouldn't little "U" shaped pieces of just the right wire, which could be crimped a bit to stay in place, be easiest and most reliable?
What the researchers found is that after controlling for gender, age, education level, and ideology, NFC [Need for Chaos] was strongly correlated with a willingness to spread hostile rumors online. Younger, less educated men were more likely to have a strong NFC, as were people who were lonely and perceived themselves as lacking social status. NFC is associated with support for Donald Trump, which makes sense. Both Trump and to a lesser, and in a qualitatively different way, Sanders offered the 2016 electorate — including all the susceptible, alienated and disenchanted folks who comprise it — a radical departure from the norm, giving voice to sentiments that had probably been bubbling in their followers’ heads for quite a long time.

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 10 June 2013, 21:20:18 »
Wouldn't little "U" shaped pieces of just the right wire, which could be crimped a bit to stay in place, be easiest and most reliable?
That was the first thing I tried.

The problem with that is that the right size wire is too thick as it passes the spring, so the spring catches and makes the switch feel notchy and inconsistent. The way we have been doing it was to push the spring down, it stiffens it, but at least it's consistent. In my case, I then trimmed the springs down to lower the spring rate back to normal after.

If I can get the clips to print properly, they would just snap on, and would clear the spring entirely. So far, I haven't been able to get the accuracy high enough.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 10 June 2013, 23:14:35 »
Which keycaps are on this keyboard, by the way? Standard thickness ABS?  Or are they thin PBT?  I've never seen PBT in person, so I can't tell :(

They're lasered PBT.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #80 on: Mon, 10 June 2013, 23:27:41 »
Which keycaps are on this keyboard, by the way? Standard thickness ABS?  Or are they thin PBT?  I've never seen PBT in person, so I can't tell :(

They're lasered PBT.

Ah they look rough so I thought they might be.  I like them!
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #81 on: Tue, 11 June 2013, 07:08:18 »
Wouldn't little "U" shaped pieces of just the right wire, which could be crimped a bit to stay in place, be easiest and most reliable?
That was the first thing I tried.

The problem with that is that the right size wire is too thick as it passes the spring, so the spring catches and makes the switch feel notchy and inconsistent. The way we have been doing it was to push the spring down, it stiffens it, but at least it's consistent. In my case, I then trimmed the springs down to lower the spring rate back to normal after.

If I can get the clips to print properly, they would just snap on, and would clear the spring entirely. So far, I haven't been able to get the accuracy high enough.

Those clips sound like they would make this very simple and easy enough for anyone.

If there is any costs involved in developing them that I could help with shoot me a PM.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #82 on: Tue, 11 June 2013, 19:03:32 »
If there is any costs involved in developing them that I could help with shoot me a PM.
Thanks, it's ust a matter of getting the printer setup right... I think.
The clips themselves are easy enough, I already have the files, so once I can get them to print good, I can print them 60 at a time or something. They use so little plastic, a 2 pound roll would probably last for 500 keyboards.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #83 on: Wed, 12 June 2013, 09:07:11 »
If there is any costs involved in developing them that I could help with shoot me a PM.
Thanks, it's ust a matter of getting the printer setup right... I think.
The clips themselves are easy enough, I already have the files, so once I can get them to print good, I can print them 60 at a time or something. They use so little plastic, a 2 pound roll would probably last for 500 keyboards.

Well if I can help in anyway let me know! I have some blue switches coming soon!

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #84 on: Wed, 12 June 2013, 17:28:29 »
As a quick note, this magical keyboard has gotten a face-lift in the form of case paint.  If people on the tour list would please be mindful of not jabbing the case with anything sharp, including nails, I have confidence that the keyboard can make it to its original owner without any damage :)  (On a personal note--Rust-Oleum's paint+primer line takes forever to dry vs. other kinds I've used, which surprised me.  Hence why I'm asking for some gingerly handling--just in case :) )

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I'll add my typing impressions tonight or tomorrow and will try to do a sound recording of how the switches sound vs Browns, Clears, and MX Black).
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #85 on: Wed, 12 June 2013, 17:34:14 »
Stone cold wicked.

However, if it was really aged copper, it would be green.
What the researchers found is that after controlling for gender, age, education level, and ideology, NFC [Need for Chaos] was strongly correlated with a willingness to spread hostile rumors online. Younger, less educated men were more likely to have a strong NFC, as were people who were lonely and perceived themselves as lacking social status. NFC is associated with support for Donald Trump, which makes sense. Both Trump and to a lesser, and in a qualitatively different way, Sanders offered the 2016 electorate — including all the susceptible, alienated and disenchanted folks who comprise it — a radical departure from the norm, giving voice to sentiments that had probably been bubbling in their followers’ heads for quite a long time.

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #86 on: Wed, 12 June 2013, 17:36:17 »
It's the name of the paint, but yeah...  I have some pure copper pipe holder things, and in comparison, this color is darker and more brown.  This color changes a lot depending on lighting.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #87 on: Thu, 13 June 2013, 16:34:14 »
If there is any costs involved in developing them that I could help with shoot me a PM.
Thanks, it's ust a matter of getting the printer setup right... I think.
The clips themselves are easy enough, I already have the files, so once I can get them to print good, I can print them 60 at a time or something. They use so little plastic, a 2 pound roll would probably last for 500 keyboards.

I would be very interested in this. I have sorely missed that tour keyboard.

I was already planning on turning my KBT Pure with MX-Blues into Ghetto Greens, but I've decided I find the pitch of the click just too irritating. So I'm thinking of making them Jailhouse Ghetto Greens, or is it Ghetto Jailhouse?

Regardless, I'm not in any rush because I'll be waiting until I get my Pure plate from the GH60 group buy, but if you get some created, I'd love to buy a set from you.


As a quick note, this magical keyboard has gotten a face-lift in the form of case paint. 

Woah, that is completely unexpected and looks amazing!  :eek:

Nice work Photoelectric!


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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #88 on: Thu, 13 June 2013, 16:36:40 »
As a quick note, this magical keyboard has gotten a face-lift in the form of case paint.  If people on the tour list would please be mindful of not jabbing the case with anything sharp, including nails, I have confidence that the keyboard can make it to its original owner without any damage :)  (On a personal note--Rust-Oleum's paint+primer line takes forever to dry vs. other kinds I've used, which surprised me.  Hence why I'm asking for some gingerly handling--just in case :) )

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I'll add my typing impressions tonight or tomorrow and will try to do a sound recording of how the switches sound vs Browns, Clears, and MX Black).

Just remind me, no sanding or anything just spraying it down right?

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #89 on: Thu, 13 June 2013, 16:50:31 »
Just remind me, no sanding or anything just spraying it down right?

I sanded ALL the corners and bent surfaces free of the rubberized gunmetal coating, and all the flat surfaces were sanded too, but not all the way through.  The gunmetal QFR cover has a very thin coat of some rubbery material that carries the paint color over plain black plastic.  I wasn't sure how durable oil enamel would be over the rubberized coating, so I started sanding with 600-grit sandpaper, and it basically took zero effort to get the coating off any corners.  The coating is very very thin.  Then I used Rust-Oleum Universal paint and primer in Aged Copper on this case, because the color is so awesome.  Normally I don't use paint+primer and just use straight enamel paint and maybe a thin layer of dedicated plastic primer underneath, as a lot of Rust-Oleum's paint sticks to plastic really well already.  Not sure if I'd recommend their Universal line yet or not, as it took a lot longer to dry vs other paint lines I've used so far, so basically need to be super careful and not handle it for a couple days after painting.  I could still make a fingerprint indent on the paint with some heavy pressure 24 hours after painting!  So for ease of use, I'd recommend other paint lines, like the Painter's Touch.  But this line does have some sweet colors to choose from :)  Lately I like DupliColor Metal Specks paints over a thin layer of Rust-Oleum, and then clear-coated.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #90 on: Thu, 13 June 2013, 17:10:38 »
Jailhouse Blues impressions:

First of all, thank you, khaangaaroo, for the opportunity to play with this super cool keyboard!!!

The keyboard itself was quite a surprise!  The short key travel distance really makes the switches feel differently from other MX Switches I've tried.  It's almost like having a stack of o-rings on every key, but of course, different, because the tactile bump is very close to the top.  I thought it would be more like a rubber dome keyboard in a way, because the the tactile bump being higher up, but... it's not.  It's tougher and snappier than rubber domes but has a thicker and heavier feel than clean, crisp, and lighter normal MX Blues.  The sound from the keyboard is dampened, and some switches still make a faint clicking sound--many don't.  The hint of a click is there with most keys when typing. 

When I first tried the switches, after unpacking and plugging in the keyboard, it felt like the keys were fighting my fingers.  The travel distance was short, and the rebound was quick (springs are at higher tension, because they are slightly compressed), and I felt like my hands were getting a workout--like hitting a light punching bag made for fingers.  But, as it happens, I got used to that sensation, though I still think that slightly lighter springs would be beneficial for me personally.

These are not like MX Clears.  The toughness is maybe similar, but imagine Clears  with a very quick snappy bump close to the top of the travel and also a couple of o-rings.  That would maybe be Jailhouse Blues on these keyboard.

My Panasonic camera mounted ~20 cm away from the keyboard:

It's almost impossible to not bottom out or be close to bottoming out, because the force required to overcome the bump + short travel distance make it difficult to stop.  For the video above, I typed slower and tried to avoid bottoming out.  The keycaps are made of thin PBT, and the sound overall is muted, thumpy, and not terribly quiet.  I can type more quietly on MX Browns by softly touch-typing, but the sound signature is quite different anyway.  But the difference in feel between MX Browns and Jailhouse Blues is immense.  My main 2 keyboards have MX Browns, and typing on Browns feels like typing on buttered switches after Jailhouse Blues--much less of a workout from lighter actuation and longer travel distance.

For reference, here is MX Browns (on a Filco, caps are from Ducky Shine) vs Jailhouse Blues (QFR).  You can see how muted Jailhouse Blues sound--and I actually have very thin silicone o-rings on that Filco.  Camera mic is approximately the same distance from both keyboards.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #91 on: Thu, 13 June 2013, 17:50:11 »
May I be the second list for UK tour if it's going o happen?

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #92 on: Thu, 13 June 2013, 17:55:03 »
I would be very interested in this. I have sorely missed that tour keyboard.

I was already planning on turning my KBT Pure with MX-Blues into Ghetto Greens, but I've decided I find the pitch of the click just too irritating. So I'm thinking of making them Jailhouse Ghetto Greens, or is it Ghetto Jailhouse?

Regardless, I'm not in any rush because I'll be waiting until I get my Pure plate from the GH60 group buy, but if you get some created, I'd love to buy a set from you.
I'm not sure what ghetto jailhouse would be. LOL

Considering I advocate cutting the springs (at least until when/if I get clips made), spring rates are kind of irrelevant. Them being so unique kind of makes deciding what is what a bit difficult.

If/when I get clips working, I will let people know, I think more than few are interested.

It's tougher and snappier than rubber domes but has a thicker and heavier feel than clean, crisp, and lighter normal MX Blues.  The sound from the keyboard is dampened, and some switches still make a faint clicking sound--many don't.  The hint of a click is there with most keys when typing. 

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This is why I advocate cutting the springs, you don't really get the intended feel with super stiff springs. That stiffness, as you found, makes it hard to control.

As for not all clicking, that has to do with the switch tolerances. I had to mix and match a few to get mine to all work properly. The last batch of clears I got, I found 3 or 5% didn't click on those either.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #93 on: Thu, 13 June 2013, 17:59:37 »
Clears are supposed to click? o.o  I know my 4 test Clear switches have a bit of a clanky clicky sound, but it's not the same click of MX Blues or Jailhouse Blues.  I thought only Blues/Whites/Greens are clicky.

I've been thinking: why not just use lighter springs instead of cutting the existing springs?  Something like 55g Korean springs, or maybe even 45g?
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #94 on: Thu, 13 June 2013, 18:25:08 »
Clears are supposed to click? o.o  I know my 4 test Clear switches have a bit of a clanky clicky sound, but it's not the same click of MX Blues or Jailhouse Blues.  I thought only Blues/Whites/Greens are clicky.

I've been thinking: why not just use lighter springs instead of cutting the existing springs?  Something like 55g Korean springs, or maybe even 45g?
Clears click, they have a larger tactile bump than browns or blues.

The jailhouse mod ramps up spring pressured by 30 grams. Unless you find something like a 30gram spring, you won't get close to a stock light Cherry spring.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #95 on: Thu, 13 June 2013, 18:30:09 »
Thank you for clarifying the Clears--I was very confused why mine sounded clicky and why people called their Ergo Clears quiet.  I made this sound recording recently to demonstrate how clicky/clanky MX Clears are, and they are far from quiet.

There's periodic sound of keys resetting, which I think is due to the keycap.  Hence why even MX Black has that sound.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #96 on: Sat, 15 June 2013, 10:09:31 »
The jailhouse mod ramps up spring pressured by 30 grams. Unless you find something like a 30gram spring, you won't get close to a stock light Cherry spring.

Thinking on that more, force is proportional to the spring constant, naturally.  If for a stock Blue (~60g) spring, the increase is 30g (30cN), that means a 50% increase in the effective spring constant.  Thus, doing a napkin calculation as a rough estimate, a 45g spring should become a ~68g spring from the same compression.  That depends on multiple factors, like how the springs behave when compressed, which is affected by their shape and material and such...  But anyway, a 40g Korean spring would then by that logic result in more or less standard 60g Blue spring.  I'm looking to get some 45g Korean springs and mod an incoming keyboard with Blues into Jailhouse Blues... hope I won't get stuck looking for those springs for as long as I've been stuck looking for Clear and White switches =/
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #97 on: Sat, 15 June 2013, 14:42:39 »
I was just guesstimating.

In the tutorial (which I may re-write soon) I mention how to achieve standard spring rates, and if you place the cut end down, has no detrimental effects. If you plan on buying springs anyhow, you may as well cut them and save the money.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #98 on: Tue, 18 June 2013, 18:00:56 »
Carrier has arrived :P



The board came safe and sound. Typing on it now. I'll have a review up later this week. Also, TheBinary is next in line and I can drop it off to him in person. I hope you don't mind me doing a handoff like that khaangaarroo.

Also, this board looks nice but smells pretty bad. Nice job on the paint though Photoelectric :D

Edit: Someone also has incredibly nice handwriting. Who wrote these sticky notes?
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #99 on: Tue, 18 June 2013, 18:13:06 »
The board came safe and sound. Typing on it now. I'll have a review up later this week. Also, TheBinary is next in line and I can drop it off to him in person. I hope you don't mind me doing a handoff like that khaangaarroo.

Also, this board looks nice but smells pretty bad. Nice job on the paint though Photoelectric :D

Edit: Someone also has incredibly nice handwriting. Who wrote these sticky notes?

A handoff is cool by me.

I'm pretty sure the fingers in post #90 wrote that note :)

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 18 June 2013, 18:14:15 »
Hehe, that's my note.  The keyboard will smell for a while as the oil paint cures.  It will go away over time.  It was painted less than one week before you got it, hence the smell and the notes :)  I actually love the smell of oil paint personally.
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« Reply #101 on: Tue, 18 June 2013, 18:14:57 »
Someone get Photoelectric a pen worthy of his handwriting! And thanks, I will give everyone a heads up when we do the handoff :D
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #102 on: Wed, 19 June 2013, 23:12:04 »
Thank you :)  Maybe you could keep the post-its on it!  Also, what have you got against that pen :(  It's a nice brown marker pen--I actually use it for work to take notes, as it has such low friction.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 19 June 2013, 23:22:19 »
How loud the click sounds depends on how tight the spacer fits between the two pieces of the stem. The click comes from the white part snapping downward after it's forced over the bump. If the spacer is tight and removes all the travel between the two pieces, there will be no click. If there is a little room for the white piece to move up and down the blue piece, you will get a faint click. The more wiggle room you leave, the more the actuation point moves closer to stock and the original floaty feeling of blues comes back. So I guess it would be possible to put half height spacers and get semi-jailhouse blues!

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« Reply #104 on: Wed, 19 June 2013, 23:29:38 »
Oh no I like the ones I tested.  I want the same but lighter spring.  I'll have to look at your photos of the cut-up card pieces closely and try to go from there.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #105 on: Thu, 20 June 2013, 00:04:27 »
The white part shouldn't smack the bottom of the switch much if at all, so noise from it should be minimal at most so long as you fill up the space as much as you can.
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« Reply #106 on: Thu, 20 June 2013, 00:18:13 »
The white part shouldn't smack the bottom of the switch much if at all, so noise from it should be minimal at most so long as you fill up the space as much as you can.

I think it's not so much about how loud it is, but more about consistency between all the switches. Even a tiny bit of looseness in the spacer can make the difference between no sound and a faint click sound. Many people along the tour have already noticed more clicking in a several keys than the rest. There's a very fine line between too thin and too thick when cutting the spacers by hand. I went back and re-cut spacers for the ones I thought clicked too much when the board came back to me for repairs. I know many of us here would go crazy with even with one key not clicking exactly like the rest haha.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #107 on: Thu, 20 June 2013, 17:14:36 »
I think it's not so much about how loud it is, but more about consistency between all the switches. Even a tiny bit of looseness in the spacer can make the difference between no sound and a faint click sound. Many people along the tour have already noticed more clicking in a several keys than the rest. There's a very fine line between too thin and too thick when cutting the spacers by hand.

I used wire, so I never had that issue, but I can see how it could be. It still should be minimal compared to the click of a normal blue switch.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #108 on: Tue, 25 June 2013, 19:04:15 »
This is just a heads up post that the board was hand delivered to me (No USPS, Yay!) & is now in my possession. The following are some quick (poor) pictures to show that I now have the keyboard & its condition, I look forward to giving it a try!




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« Reply #109 on: Tue, 25 June 2013, 19:09:16 »
I've been typing on my new board with Blues for the past week, and I've really grown to like Blues a LOT!  Now I wish I could have exactly Blues, minus the loud click, plus a very faint click instead!  I'm still going to convert them to Jailhouse Blues--just giving some props to standard Blues in the meantime :)
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« Reply #110 on: Tue, 25 June 2013, 19:34:10 »
I've been typing on my new board with Blues for the past week, and I've really grown to like Blues a LOT!  Now I wish I could have exactly Blues, minus the loud click, plus a very faint click instead!  I'm still going to convert them to Jailhouse Blues--just giving some props to standard Blues in the meantime :)

You have two options, thinner wire, or try Clears.
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« Reply #111 on: Tue, 25 June 2013, 19:36:07 »
Already doing 62g Ergo-Clears on another board :)

But I'll play with the Blues to see what feels / sounds good.  Does thinner wire makes the click fainter and restricts the movement less?  I.e. can you get a degree of "Jailhouse Blueness" by varying wire gauge / height of the blocking pieces?
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« Reply #112 on: Wed, 26 June 2013, 00:09:53 »
But I'll play with the Blues to see what feels / sounds good.  Does thinner wire makes the click fainter and restricts the movement less?  I.e. can you get a degree of "Jailhouse Blueness" by varying wire gauge / height of the blocking pieces?

Yes, thinner wire allows some movement and raises the actuation point back towards normal. If you find the right gauge, it may be possible to put a wire on top and below, but I wouldn't count on that as it could cause problems with the spring. While printing would make this work, 3d printed parts at this thickness would likely not have enough strength. A better option for mid level may be to use epoxy, just be extremely careful.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #113 on: Wed, 26 June 2013, 14:41:43 »
...I know many of us here would go crazy with even with one key not clicking exactly like the rest haha.

Indeed, one of my boards is a Ducky with blues & a couple of the switches have exhibited this behavior ever since the day it arrived from MechanicalKeyboards.com new. However by far the worst is the D key :( just a little frustrating - the constant reminder every time I use the letter D that I have both an annoying and inferior product - not what I paid for. *sighs*


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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #114 on: Thu, 27 June 2013, 19:37:10 »
My Review of the Jailhouse Blue QFR:


A cheeky little modification to the QFR box.

I’m not sure if it was by coincidence or by planning, but both khaangaaroo and Leslieann both came up with this mod in a three month span. At first I was a little worried that this would be a custom mod that I could never try unless I met these two GHers. I’m always trying to get my hands on new switches and boards. Luckily this tour allowed me to try these switches out so this was a really cool experience. Just as a reference, I don’t like MX Browns and love MX Blues. Keep that in mind as you read this; I am definitely biased.

The board is a modded QFR. Since everyone and their mom has posted a billion reviews/pictures/threads/videos/soundbytes/mods on the QFR, I think it’s safe to say I don’t need to write a full review on it. I will say that that rubber coating on QFRs was a real turn off for me but this case top that Photoelectric sprayed up was lovely. The only issue with this Jailhouse Blue QFR is that it REEKED for two days. It was so powerful on my first day of testing it that I had to put it away after a few hours of use. But by the end of my testing time, it didn’t smell and I appreciated the lovely gold-ish metallic color. And for what it’s worth, khaangaroo did a great job fixing the board after mashby had it. The board did not cause my computer to reboot at all.

 Typing on this keyboard
The very first thing I noticed when I started typing was that the bottom out was so shallow compared to what I’m used to. It seemed like it was even shallower than 50A-R o-rings. Bottoming out felt sudden; it wasn’t like the bottom out on a Chiclet or scissors but it still was too quick for me. I’m very used to the standard MX stroke when I type and the sudden change confused me. I had the same issue when I was typing with o-rings; they felt nice but the change in travel distance was too much for me.

Quickly after this first realization, I figured out that this was the quietest mechanical keyboard I’ve ever typed on. Even the HHKB I tried wasn’t this quiet. The Matias quiet switches were pretty close but if your primary concern is the sound of your board, you might want to consider this mod/switch.

Actuation force on the switches was very nice since the switches are MX Blues after all. Like I said I’m super biased and those are my favorite switches. But if I had to compare them to an MX switch, I would say that they felt like Browns. These switches were everything Browns should be besides being short throw. My notes say that they feel like sharper, bumpier Browns. In a better explanation, when you press down, there’s the initial engagement that Blues have. It’s a sharp little ramp. But instead of a click at actuation, the Jailhouse Blues have lovely tactile bump that is what I’d call a medium tactile bump. The Browns have a light tactile bump, Jailhouse Blues a medium, and Clears a heavy bump. They don’t depress into a click, but instead, feels solid and then have the bump, quickly followed by a bottom out. The travel is maybe half of the MX travel; like I said before, it felt like o-rings were installed in the board.

The other thing I noticed that bothered me is that some of the mods felt sticky. Kind of like how they were ergo-clears with springs that were too weak. They’d just feel gummy and didn’t rebound all the way like my boards do. I’m not sure if that’s because of the mods or if it’s just how the switch is.

Also I don’t like thin PBT caps at all. They reminded me of the WASD thin ABS caps which I didn’t like at all.

Final Thoughts

If I tried this switch instead of MX Browns at first, I would’ve loved these and their tactile bump. However, the short-throw throws me off and I couldn’t get used to them. I won’t be making any of these switches. But, it was amazing to get to try a custom mdoded switch like this. Thanks for making this board khaangaroo. And thank you for putting the board on tour! And shoutouts to LeslieAnn who seems to be helping to refine this switch/mod.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #115 on: Thu, 27 June 2013, 19:46:30 »
Eek sorry.  It's because it was freshly painted and still curing, and being in a tightly-closed box all packaged up for a few days during travel probably didn't help.  When I packaged it, it barely smelled, but sitting in a box probably did it.  My Ducky was painted just under a month ago, and I can't smell anything anymore, even when I stick my nose directly to the case.
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Nice review though, I felt the same way.  Except when equating them to Browns--they are MUCH snappier and tougher than Browns.  Having typed on Blues for the past week, going back to Browns was a bit weird, and I do feel the similarity a bit more now, but still.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #116 on: Thu, 27 June 2013, 20:03:31 »
Thanks for the review dude. It was actually by coincidence that Leslieann and I modded our blues at the same time. If I had seen her post first, I probably would have tried the wire method and never bothered with cutting spacers out of credit cards.

Sorry you had to be the first to receive the board after the paint job :p I painted the plate on my 87u and lock it in my desk at work overnight. For the first couple of weeks, it would smell whenever I pulled it out of the drawer the next day. Being in an enclosed box definitely infuses the fumes...haha.

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« Reply #117 on: Fri, 28 June 2013, 00:35:08 »
Final Thoughts

If I tried this switch instead of MX Browns at first, I would’ve loved these and their tactile bump. However, the short-throw throws me off and I couldn’t get used to them. I won’t be making any of these switches. But, it was amazing to get to try a custom mdoded switch like this. Thanks for making this board khaangaroo. And thank you for putting the board on tour! And shoutouts to LeslieAnn who seems to be helping to refine this switch/mod.

It's not for everyone, as you found, it's quite a different switch from most others.

I honestly think some of the sluggishness is the method used, if it's sluggish with stock/uncut springs, something is rubbing. Mine have cut down springs so they have the same actuation pressure as normal blues, and they are quite snappy, not a sluggish one in the bunch, but I spent quite a bit of time to accomplish it.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #118 on: Fri, 28 June 2013, 00:44:40 »
If the spacers are cut too thick, once they're wedged in there, they can make the white piece bow outwards and rub against the side of the switch housing. It has nothing to do with springs being uncut. It's just me making spacers in a hurry and not caring if they're all perfect.

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« Reply #119 on: Fri, 28 June 2013, 06:24:35 »
Haha, no worries about the smell guys. Just didn't expect it to be so strong. And that's interesting, the spacers affect the rebound. Hm...I wonder if anyone else will notice this. Interested in seeing what everyone else on the tour thinks. Thanks for reading my review guys :D
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« Reply #120 on: Fri, 28 June 2013, 07:16:59 »
If the spacers are cut too thick, once they're wedged in there, they can make the white piece bow outwards and rub against the side of the switch housing. It has nothing to do with springs being uncut. It's just me making spacers in a hurry and not caring if they're all perfect.
I didn't mean the uncut springs were causing it, I said if it's sluggish with uncut springs, it means something is definitely rubbing, which you just confirmed.

If mine rubs at all, my keys will stick because the springs are so lightweight.
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« Reply #121 on: Fri, 28 June 2013, 08:41:04 »
I didn't notice any sluggishness when using the keyboard.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #122 on: Fri, 28 June 2013, 09:11:37 »
If the spacers are cut too thick, once they're wedged in there, they can make the white piece bow outwards and rub against the side of the switch housing. It has nothing to do with springs being uncut. It's just me making spacers in a hurry and not caring if they're all perfect.
I didn't mean the uncut springs were causing it, I said if it's sluggish with uncut springs, it means something is definitely rubbing, which you just confirmed.

If mine rubs at all, my keys will stick because the springs are so lightweight.


Sorry, I misread your comment. I got carried away when I thought you trying to be judgmental of the method I used and condescending of the little time I spent putting the board together.

Sorry to everyone along the tour that noticed slightly clicky keys or slighly sluggish modifiers. That's all the fault of my workmanship. I shouldn't have started a tour with a board that was so far from Leslieann's intention of what Jailhouse Blues should be. It's her baby, not mine. I was originally gonna sell the board, but got peer pressured into starting a tour.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #123 on: Fri, 28 June 2013, 09:23:18 »
I don't know that there's any need to apologize.

Building the board and putting it out on tour is a huge gift to the community, which I am grateful I was able to participate.  Granted, I haven't posted my review yet, but having an opportunity to try such a unique switch was amazing and I'm very appreciate of all the work that went into creating it.

The creative process is messy and that's to be expected. You guys are creating a whole new switching mod and there are bound to be little issues here, or there. Those of us fortunate enough to be on the tour are the beneficiaries of your hard work and I for one have been inspired to try this on a board of my own.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is... thank you.

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« Reply #124 on: Fri, 28 June 2013, 09:35:21 »
Any modification that results in something people like is a good modification.  I liked this board enough to want a version of my own with lighter springs.  It wasn't an immediate love, just like most MX Switches, which took me a good week or two to type on to really get a good feel and begin to like them. 

So I got 45g springs in place of the stock springs (I don't want to cut the stock springs for a few reasons).  It's entirely possible that there are multiple versions of Jailhouse Blues that feel different from each other.  We'd have to do another tour for those other modified keyboards to compare.  I'd give this one a spiffy name to reflect its use of plastic shims.  I would prefer to use plastic myself for the reason of having similar hardness and composition materials locked together and possibly not causing as much stress to each other over time when compressed.  Also it would allow for lubrication [and general exposure to the elements] without any worry that it would oxidize whatever metal I choose for wire spacers (unless they are stainless steel... which would be super tough to work with) over the next few years and introduce any potential problems.  Which is why I've been looking at zip ties and other similar possibilities.

P.S.: I'd just like to add that I loved the extremely faint "echo" of a click when typing on this keyboard.  That's what I wish stock Blues were like.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #125 on: Fri, 28 June 2013, 10:25:15 »
If you can get them to work with zip ties, we should call them zippy blues :p


EDIT: Also, my last post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I guess it came across as more sad and butthurt...haha.
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« Reply #126 on: Fri, 28 June 2013, 10:29:45 »
If you can get them to work with zip ties, we should call them zippy blues :P

That sounds pretty sweet!  I want to succeed just for that name!
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« Reply #127 on: Fri, 28 June 2013, 17:21:40 »
Sorry, I misread your comment. I got carried away when I thought you trying to be judgmental of the method I used and condescending of the little time I spent putting the board together.
No, every method takes time.
Sadly, more time than most realize to really nail down, I went through several ideas and revisions before I got it right. I probably disassembled each switch 5 times before I finally got them on my Filco and was happy. Frankly, I'm glad to see another method and people taking an interest.

I wasn't trying to be judgmental (sorry!), I was just trying to explain some of the things people were experiencing. I think it's really awesome you did this.
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« Reply #128 on: Sun, 30 June 2013, 11:47:21 »
Based on CPTBadAss' review, can someone compare these to Cherry ML switches?

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« Reply #129 on: Sun, 30 June 2013, 11:50:53 »
Cherry MLs have a shorter throw and are very crunchy/have a lot of friction. If you hit them off-center, they kinda grind. But they don't feel bad if you hit them dead on. They're very tactile, but different from a Brown/Clear/Jailhouse Blue bump. The travel on them reminded me of scissor switches. The travel on the Jailhouse Blues was half of the normal MX actuation distances imo.

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« Reply #130 on: Sun, 30 June 2013, 16:26:37 »
That wasn't the kind of reply I expected, but thanks anyway.

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ML feel like compressed MX Brown with tactility (and resistance to bottoming out) closer to MX Clear in my experience. I'm basically asking, whether jailhouse blues maintain the MX Blue kind of tactility.

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« Reply #131 on: Sun, 30 June 2013, 16:31:15 »
No, they have MUCH stronger tactility.  At least this version with compressed springs.  These are more like Clears rather than Browns, but with a much faster bump than Clears.  The actuation is close to the top--closer than ML based on what you wrote.  More like rubber domes in that the bump is near the top and the travel distance is rather short... it's hard to explain, but the parallel with rubber domes stops there--they are still clearly mechanical switches.  I'll be playing with making my own version similar to this in the next week, with 45g springs, so we'll see what they are like then.
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« Reply #132 on: Sun, 30 June 2013, 16:36:36 »
Well I know where my ML board is so I can get it back and give you a proper answer/review if you want davkol. It's been a long time since I've typed on ML switches. I might be mistaken or have mis-remembered.

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« Reply #133 on: Sun, 30 June 2013, 19:02:14 »
Clears and MLs (IMHO) have that "barrier" after the bump that prevents me from bottoming out, while blues are quite the opposite. If I understand correctly, jailhouse blues are easy to bottom out as well, aren't they?

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« Reply #134 on: Sun, 30 June 2013, 19:05:56 »
Yes they are difficult to not bottom out when springs are at higher tension as in this method.  You overcome the bump, which is close to the top and requires a non-trivial amount of force, and then the travel distance is so short, you're almost guaranteed to bottom out.
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« Reply #135 on: Sun, 30 June 2013, 19:13:16 »
OK, thanks. I guess I can imagine that—more or less. Probably not what I'm looking for.

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« Reply #136 on: Sun, 30 June 2013, 19:25:12 »
It's not a bad thing necessarily.  They are still not that loud, and you can insert thin o-rings, if that's a concern. 
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« Reply #137 on: Sun, 30 June 2013, 20:17:46 »
For me, it's a deal-breaker. I'm not a fan of short throw, and hard bottoming out makes me a bit worried.

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« Reply #138 on: Sun, 30 June 2013, 20:22:06 »
It's not hard at all.  It feels cushiony.  For this particular version, springs are at pretty high tension.
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« Reply #139 on: Sun, 30 June 2013, 21:46:49 »
I don't wanna go full-TotalChaos here. ~_^

I bottom out only lightly on linear switches (MX Red) or not at all on switches with steeper force/travel curve (MY/ML/MX Clear), but common tactile switches get smashed (ALPS, MX Blue, buckling spring). Long story short, I'm looking for MX Clear switches with lighter springs that maintain the number of coils from stock clears. However, this is getting off-topic here.

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« Reply #140 on: Tue, 02 July 2013, 18:36:00 »
To commence my experiment with zip ties, I got some tiny cable ties from Mouser to play with along with a couple of brand new MX Blues (not touching my Filco with Blues yet).  The cable ties are definitely a good option, but they do require cutting lengthwise to be even narrower, so there's some lack of precision.  The good part is that you can slide the cut strips until you get to the right width and then snip the right length there.

I also substituted 45g springs in place of stock springs (but tried both) and lubed with Krytox.  So far, I get zero click (both switches are clicky at stock, I've checked).  They feel kind of like short travel Browns with a more noticeable bump.  Not very accurate, but I tried some nickels, and both switches (mounted on a block of wood--thanks khaangaaroo for the idea) actuate at 55-56g.  That is, if I put 11 nickels on them, they immediately flop down.  With 10, they barely budge.  So that's around how much is needed to overcome the bump and do travel down in a quick stroke.

I have been trying them with thin doubleshot Wyse caps and Ducky Shine caps, and I think I prefer them with softer Shine caps.

ETA: Just checked, looks like the switch that has thicker/tighter fitting cable ties is the one that feels SLIGHTLY heavier and more dampened.  The one with a very slightly looser fit feels lighter and more hollow.  Which makes sense--just surprising how much of a difference in feel there is.  It's actually not that significant, but I can tell because I'm looking for it.  I'm trying to decide which one I like more, and it's non-trivial :)
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #141 on: Tue, 02 July 2013, 19:06:13 »
The cable ties are definitely a good option, but they do require cutting lengthwise to be even narrower

I love the jailhouse blues but this cutting of O-rings like bagels and trying to rip the incredibly tough and strong plastic of cable ties lengthwise is just too much. First, the work and precise tedium of the cuts, besides the fact that the materials are so leathery and resistant to cutting, by their nature.

Would something like this be usable, or does it have to crimp around to stay in place?

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #142 on: Tue, 02 July 2013, 19:36:34 »
Hah, just tried much thinner cuts for a loose fit to get some click back.  Feels REALLY good but wow, the loud click is back.  Which is a no go, because of the noise.  They feel sort of like what I imagined Greens would feel.

Ok, so can't go too tight or the white part deforms and the switches begin to stick.  Just tight enough is okay.  But I like it most when the zip tie cut is narrow enough to go in with relative ease but still fill up the vertical space between the white part and the blue part.  That results in no click.  I'm trying to achieve *some* click, but so far unsuccessfully, save for getting significant click if I go too thin.  There's a faint hint of a click when the zip tie pieces fit perfectly and slightly loosely.  I'll probably go with that.

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OKAY!  Just found my ultimate method:  IMSTO's skinny silicone o-rings!  They are perfect for a snug squishy fit (not snug enough to deform the switch at all--they slide in easily with help of some tiny eyeglass repair flat-head screwdriver).  Finally I have a use for these o-rings heh.







The feel is pretty similar to zip ties but slightly more cushiony.  And I'm pretty sure this is going to be a lot more uniform because of the uniform thickness of the o-rings and the way they are inserted (they naturally curl).

This is not exactly fast, by the way.  The o-rings, once split, are rather squishy, so you'll have to keep gently pushing and prodding with a screwdriver / something similar to gently place them exactly.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #143 on: Tue, 02 July 2013, 20:42:11 »
oh snaps. I'm gonna have to try this with a wasdkeyboards o-ring when I get home. That looks perfect.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #144 on: Tue, 02 July 2013, 20:45:25 »
Yeah, the o-ringed switch definitely sounds more dampened for bottoming out vs the one with zip ties.  These o-rings are thinner than the 50A Amazon o-rings.  I don't know if WASD has similar.  These are directly from IMSTO.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #145 on: Wed, 03 July 2013, 09:23:10 »
I just tried it, and it works with the thinner red o-rings from wasd. They were a little hard to get into place because they're so soft. And the thicker blue o-rings don't fit.

The bottoming out is definitely a lot softer. If you press hard enough, you can squish the wasd o-ring enough to get almost full travel in the key. I'm not sure what hardness the imsto ones are. It would be interesting to see what a full board of these would feel like.

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« Reply #146 on: Wed, 03 July 2013, 09:36:30 »
They are quite squishy - I'm guessing maybe 40A.  I was not getting full travel compressing mine,  unless pushing very hard is required. The ringed switch just felt softer, which to me is a bonus with such short travel distance.
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« Reply #147 on: Sat, 06 July 2013, 14:34:08 »
So to anyone playing with switches, I'd definitely recommend mounting a few into something very sturdy and trying them out with keycaps on.  I had my blues mounted on wooden pieces, and wasn't quite sure about them.  But now I have an empty Filco plate, and I've put a bunch of different stuff onto it.  A few ergo-Clears (62g), normal Clears, vintage Black, and o-ringed Jailhouse Blues.  Yep, definitely like the JBs!  They are rather unremarkable when trying them separately, but actually mounted onto a plate and typing as if on a normal keyboard, they feel quite nice!
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #148 on: Wed, 10 July 2013, 15:00:36 »
Just arrived today! Posted a video on my youtube with a typing test for anyone who wants to hear what it sounds like!

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #149 on: Wed, 10 July 2013, 16:33:38 »
I've got a set of blue switches "in the mail" that I was planning to try to jailbreak them somehow.

Has anyone tried just gluing the blue and white pieces together while they're fully extended, like with super glue or gorilla glue or something? I would think there is some kind of glue that's strong enough to withstand the ~100g max pressure you'd put on a key switch, and then you wouldn't have to worry about finding something that fits in there perfectly.

Having asked that though, the o-ring idea sounds interesting because it would give you some extra curve in the force graph when bottoming out (I have a theory that curvy graphs are usually more pleasant than sharply cornered graphs... same reason a new chewy cookie is better than a day old crackery one).


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« Reply #150 on: Wed, 10 July 2013, 16:43:43 »
Yeah I think gluing the 2 pieces together has been brought up a number of times.  But it won't leave room for adjustments if you glue them slightly differently from switch to switch.  You'll probably notice some difference when you mount them, but you won't be able to change them easily.  Wire or plastic, for example, allow you to redo and adjust your modification.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #151 on: Wed, 10 July 2013, 18:09:55 »
Glue was my first foray into this, it was a disaster pretty much.

Trying to hold everything in place perfectly while gluing such small parts is a hassle. Also, the contact area is too small, and you really should prep the surfaces for better adhesion, especially considering how small it is. While I did get them to glue, I wasn't convinced it was the right way to go.'

The o-ring and credit card method is intriguing, but I honestly still think wire or solder is the most consistent method so far. It's cheap ($1.50 from Walmart), easy to fix mistakes, and faster than people think.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #152 on: Wed, 10 July 2013, 21:06:50 »
Saw this thread on Deskthority today. Jmneuv used a hole punch to create a plug to insert into the bottom of the of the switch housing and immediately thought of this thread. Jmneuv's goal was to replicate the experience of O-Rings, but given that it makes the throw shorter, I thought it might be of interest.

Granted, this method doesn't remove the click, but it might spawn some other ideas from you clever hackers.  ;D

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #153 on: Thu, 11 July 2013, 10:09:29 »
GAH! If I had seen this I would've hopped in right after PHX! I'm just down in RI. Oh well.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #154 on: Thu, 11 July 2013, 16:01:50 »
Saw this thread on Deskthority today. Jmneuv used a hole punch to create a plug to insert into the bottom of the of the switch housing and immediately thought of this thread. Jmneuv's goal was to replicate the experience of O-Rings, but given that it makes the throw shorter, I thought it might be of interest.

Granted, this method doesn't remove the click, but it might spawn some other ideas from you clever hackers.  ;D
That will shorten the overall travel, just like o-rings, but it doesn't raise/shorten the actuation point which is the goal of Jailhouse Blues.
On the other hand, it is a great way to get o-rings for SP keysets or people who change keycaps a lot and use o-rings, as you wouldn't need to fiddle with them each time.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #155 on: Thu, 11 July 2013, 16:46:10 »
Saw this thread on Deskthority today. Jmneuv used a hole punch to create a plug to insert into the bottom of the of the switch housing and immediately thought of this thread. Jmneuv's goal was to replicate the experience of O-Rings, but given that it makes the throw shorter, I thought it might be of interest.

Granted, this method doesn't remove the click, but it might spawn some other ideas from you clever hackers.  ;D
That will shorten the overall travel, just like o-rings, but it doesn't raise/shorten the actuation point which is the goal of Jailhouse Blues.
On the other hand, it is a great way to get o-rings for SP keysets or people who change keycaps a lot and use o-rings, as you wouldn't need to fiddle with them each time.
im pretty sure the activation stays the same....  have you had the board yet?
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #156 on: Thu, 11 July 2013, 16:49:30 »
Saw this thread on Deskthority today. Jmneuv used a hole punch to create a plug to insert into the bottom of the of the switch housing and immediately thought of this thread. Jmneuv's goal was to replicate the experience of O-Rings, but given that it makes the throw shorter, I thought it might be of interest.

Granted, this method doesn't remove the click, but it might spawn some other ideas from you clever hackers.  ;D
That will shorten the overall travel, just like o-rings, but it doesn't raise/shorten the actuation point which is the goal of Jailhouse Blues.
On the other hand, it is a great way to get o-rings for SP keysets or people who change keycaps a lot and use o-rings, as you wouldn't need to fiddle with them each time.
im pretty sure the activation stays the same....  have you had the board yet?

Pretty sure Leslieann was the inventor of Jail House blues, at least using wire method....but definitely an innovator!.....;)

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38091.0
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #157 on: Thu, 11 July 2013, 16:50:56 »
Saw this thread on Deskthority today. Jmneuv used a hole punch to create a plug to insert into the bottom of the of the switch housing and immediately thought of this thread. Jmneuv's goal was to replicate the experience of O-Rings, but given that it makes the throw shorter, I thought it might be of interest.

Granted, this method doesn't remove the click, but it might spawn some other ideas from you clever hackers.  ;D
That will shorten the overall travel, just like o-rings, but it doesn't raise/shorten the actuation point which is the goal of Jailhouse Blues.
On the other hand, it is a great way to get o-rings for SP keysets or people who change keycaps a lot and use o-rings, as you wouldn't need to fiddle with them each time.
im pretty sure the activation stays the same....  have you had the board yet?

Pretty sure Leslieann was the inventor of Jail House blues.....

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38091.0
derp  I'm stupid.. it just doesnt feel like the actuation is changed at all  :/
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #158 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:33:34 »
I'm in the process of making JBs out of my Filco's Blues.  One thing I've noticed when using o-rings is that you can make 2 types of JBs: clicky and non-clicky.  If you hide the entire cut of o-ring around the stem closely, the white piece and blue piece can move with respect to each other, and a strong click remains (but action is still shortened).  If you keep the o-ring sticking out on both sides, between the white and the blue parts, the click is nonexistent and the action is the shortest.  I decided to go with the latter.  The o-ring can only stick out up to the vertical boundaries of the stem, as any farther, and it will rub against the housing and make the switch mushy.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #159 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:43:09 »
I'm in the process of making JBs out of my Filco's Blues.  One thing I've noticed when using o-rings is that you can make 2 types of JBs: clicky and non-clicky.  If you hide the entire cut of o-ring around the stem closely, the white piece and blue piece can move with respect to each other, and a strong click remains (but action is still shortened).  If you keep the o-ring sticking out on both sides, between the white and the blue parts, the click is nonexistent and the action is the shortest.  I decided to go with the latter.  The o-ring can only stick out up to the vertical boundaries of the stem, as any farther, and it will rub against the housing and make the switch mushy.

Not sure how many switches you've modded but are you seeing good consistency with o-rings?

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #160 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:44:33 »
As long as I tuck in the o-ring pieces to stay within the vertical boundaries of the stem--yes.  If I'm not careful and leave too much sticking out, that switch becomes mushy. 
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #161 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:48:11 »
Is there anything holding the cut O-rings in place, long-term?
What the researchers found is that after controlling for gender, age, education level, and ideology, NFC [Need for Chaos] was strongly correlated with a willingness to spread hostile rumors online. Younger, less educated men were more likely to have a strong NFC, as were people who were lonely and perceived themselves as lacking social status. NFC is associated with support for Donald Trump, which makes sense. Both Trump and to a lesser, and in a qualitatively different way, Sanders offered the 2016 electorate — including all the susceptible, alienated and disenchanted folks who comprise it — a radical departure from the norm, giving voice to sentiments that had probably been bubbling in their followers’ heads for quite a long time.

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #162 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:49:32 »
Is there anything holding the cut O-rings in place, long-term?

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #163 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:05:56 »
Is there anything holding the cut O-rings in place, long-term?

Hope and prayers.

No, they fit tightly.  They won't just magically slip out.  I have to jam them in with a mini screwdriver.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #164 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 18:01:36 »
Once you put the switch back together, the housing encloses the stem. So even tiny, free-floating spacers won't fall out.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #165 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 18:24:00 »
This is how I test for consistency :)

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #166 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 18:28:48 »
Hey! I have the exact same set of precision screwdrivers! It was also the one I used to jam in the o-ring I tested :)

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #167 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 18:32:22 »
That's the tiniest of my set, and I couldn't have done this without it.  It's also been a lifesaver in countless cases (had this set for many years now). 

So I've been cutting an o-ring in half, pulling it through the stem, snipping off the remnant.  Then combining 2 remnants to do every 3rd switch.  Tweezers are also essential there.  It's definitely a tediously slow process, but I like the cushiony result. 

It's MUCH easier to achieve clicky decreased action Blues than non-clicky short-action Blues, because for non-clicky, I have to keep enough of the o-ring jammed between the sides of the stem--without sticking out.  For clicky, just get the o-ring tighly wrapped around the central "rod" part of the stem, and done.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #168 on: Tue, 30 July 2013, 20:19:48 »
Please add me to the list.  I am in California.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #169 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 22:07:16 »
Received the QFR today.  TBH can't say I'm loving the jailhouses so far...

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #170 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 08:41:18 »
TBH can't say I'm loving the jailhouses so far...

Really? What are your Cherries of Choice, otherwise?
What the researchers found is that after controlling for gender, age, education level, and ideology, NFC [Need for Chaos] was strongly correlated with a willingness to spread hostile rumors online. Younger, less educated men were more likely to have a strong NFC, as were people who were lonely and perceived themselves as lacking social status. NFC is associated with support for Donald Trump, which makes sense. Both Trump and to a lesser, and in a qualitatively different way, Sanders offered the 2016 electorate — including all the susceptible, alienated and disenchanted folks who comprise it — a radical departure from the norm, giving voice to sentiments that had probably been bubbling in their followers’ heads for quite a long time.

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #171 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 19:53:41 »
Stock blues and reds are my normal preferences.  The best mod I've found so far is 62g lubed blacks (I have these on my daily driver).  I'm not a huge fan of ergo clears, though I'd like to try 62g clears.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #172 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 19:56:35 »
For what it's worth, my 45g spring JBs are different from the stock spring JBs I tried on this keyboard.  Probably like ergo-Clears are different from stock Clears.  (Also, I have 62g Clears and have mixed feelings about them.  Somehow they don't feel as "solidly designed" as other Cherry switches to me).
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #173 on: Sat, 17 August 2013, 12:46:00 »
whoah cool mod.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #174 on: Sat, 17 August 2013, 13:00:48 »
Is it too late to jump on this tour? I'd love to get to try these out.

Shipping to me is considered CONUS by USPS, and you're shipping it to California in reality, where the army takes it the rest of the way, but since it's about an extra week to me, and back from me, I have no problem sitting at the end of the list, even if more people jump on the tour.
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #175 on: Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:37:12 »
i would like to +1 my name to the tour if possible, i've a blue qfr that i'm thinking of JH'ing, just not sure if I'm gonna like the end result for all the work.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #176 on: Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:58:23 »
Forgot to post here that I passed the QFR to gameaholic on Friday.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #177 on: Mon, 26 August 2013, 21:18:09 »
Cool, thanks for letting me know, hashbaz.

For those still interested in trying the board but weren't able to get in this round, I'll take note for a possible second round in the future.

My department at work got "restructured," so life has gotten a little crazy. I'll still be replying to PMs and following through with any sales/group buys that I still have going on, but I won't be as active in the forums for a while.

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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #178 on: Tue, 27 August 2013, 02:30:49 »
I definitely like them way more than regular blues but can't say I like them better than my ergo clears yet.   I still have to try the whites I have.  I'm gonna throw them in my QFR once I get a day off.  Is there such a thing as Jailhouse whites?
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Re: Jailhouse Blue QFR tour
« Reply #179 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 22:11:11 »
My Review of the Jailhouse Blue QFR:

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A cheeky little modification to the QFR box.

I’m not sure if it was by coincidence or by planning, but both khaangaaroo and Leslieann both came up with this mod in a three month span. At first I was a little worried that this would be a custom mod that I could never try unless I met these two GHers. I’m always trying to get my hands on new switches and boards. Luckily this tour allowed me to try these switches out so this was a really cool experience. Just as a reference, I don’t like MX Browns and love MX Blues. Keep that in mind as you read this; I am definitely biased.

The board is a modded QFR. Since everyone and their mom has posted a billion reviews/pictures/threads/videos/soundbytes/mods on the QFR, I think it’s safe to say I don’t need to write a full review on it. I will say that that rubber coating on QFRs was a real turn off for me but this case top that Photoelectric sprayed up was lovely. The only issue with this Jailhouse Blue QFR is that it REEKED for two days. It was so powerful on my first day of testing it that I had to put it away after a few hours of use. But by the end of my testing time, it didn’t smell and I appreciated the lovely gold-ish metallic color. And for what it’s worth, khaangaroo did a great job fixing the board after mashby had it. The board did not cause my computer to reboot at all.

 Typing on this keyboard
The very first thing I noticed when I started typing was that the bottom out was so shallow compared to what I’m used to. It seemed like it was even shallower than 50A-R o-rings. Bottoming out felt sudden; it wasn’t like the bottom out on a Chiclet or scissors but it still was too quick for me. I’m very used to the standard MX stroke when I type and the sudden change confused me. I had the same issue when I was typing with o-rings; they felt nice but the change in travel distance was too much for me.

Quickly after this first realization, I figured out that this was the quietest mechanical keyboard I’ve ever typed on. Even the HHKB I tried wasn’t this quiet. The Matias quiet switches were pretty close but if your primary concern is the sound of your board, you might want to consider this mod/switch.

Actuation force on the switches was very nice since the switches are MX Blues after all. Like I said I’m super biased and those are my favorite switches. But if I had to compare them to an MX switch, I would say that they felt like Browns. These switches were everything Browns should be besides being short throw. My notes say that they feel like sharper, bumpier Browns. In a better explanation, when you press down, there’s the initial engagement that Blues have. It’s a sharp little ramp. But instead of a click at actuation, the Jailhouse Blues have lovely tactile bump that is what I’d call a medium tactile bump. The Browns have a light tactile bump, Jailhouse Blues a medium, and Clears a heavy bump. They don’t depress into a click, but instead, feels solid and then have the bump, quickly followed by a bottom out. The travel is maybe half of the MX travel; like I said before, it felt like o-rings were installed in the board.

The other thing I noticed that bothered me is that some of the mods felt sticky. Kind of like how they were ergo-clears with springs that were too weak. They’d just feel gummy and didn’t rebound all the way like my boards do. I’m not sure if that’s because of the mods or if it’s just how the switch is.

Also I don’t like thin PBT caps at all. They reminded me of the WASD thin ABS caps which I didn’t like at all.

Final Thoughts

If I tried this switch instead of MX Browns at first, I would’ve loved these and their tactile bump. However, the short-throw throws me off and I couldn’t get used to them. I won’t be making any of these switches. But, it was amazing to get to try a custom mdoded switch like this. Thanks for making this board khaangaroo. And thank you for putting the board on tour! And shoutouts to LeslieAnn who seems to be helping to refine this switch/mod.
Thank you for this review, I think I'm going to make a few jailhouse blues for myself, the quietness plus the ergo clear like feel is a great turn on. Plus it doesn't have the thick stems that clears have which will be so nice. Now to source a bunch of blues ;D