Ergo Clear vs Topre

[Sniping]

I'm looking for my next keyboard, and I can't decide between Ergo Clear and Topre. I have no way of trying out either, so I want to see some opinions here. Do you prefer Ergo Clears or Topre? Can you guys also tell me which weight you liked the most on both i.e. 55g uniform Topre or Korean 62g Ergo Clear.

Thanks!

[tp4tissue]

I'm looking for my next keyboard, and I can't decide between Ergo Clear and Topre. I have no way of trying out either, so I want to see some opinions here. Do you prefer Ergo Clears or Topre? Can you guys also tell me which weight you liked the most on both i.e. 55g uniform Topre or Korean 62g Ergo Clear.

Thanks!

If you like the feel of rubber domes.. get topre, they're the epitome of rubber dome technology..

If you like Cherry style where the bump is in the middle of the switch rather than the top ala-topre, then get ergo clears.



In my opinion cherry tactile switches such as blue/brown/white/clear "FEELS" slightly more responsive because the  BUMP is close to the switch activation point..

whereas on TOPRE the bump is at the top, further from activation.

[Photekq]

If you're in Europe you could try and sign up for the Realforce 104 Euro Tour over at Deskthority.net. Obviously, you'd still need to try the ergos but you never know.. you might fall in love with Topre.

[tp4tissue]

If you're in Europe you could try and sign up for the Realforce 104 Euro Tour over at Deskthority.net. Obviously, you'd still need to try the ergos but you never know.. you might fall in love with Topre.

you don't need to try topre.. they feel exactly like rubber dome, just IMagine typing on rubber dome, but NEVER having to press hard like on standard rubber dome because the activation point is guaranteed at 2mm..

so it's basically a "carefree" rubber dome..


by pressing hard, I mean that feeling you get when you pick your arm up to really Grind that finger into the key, because you can't get it to register...

[Photekq]

If you're in Europe you could try and sign up for the Realforce 104 Euro Tour over at Deskthority.net. Obviously, you'd still need to try the ergos but you never know.. you might fall in love with Topre.

you don't need to try topre.. they feel exactly like rubber dome, just IMagine typing on rubber dome, but NEVER having to press hard like on standard rubber dome because the activation point is guaranteed..

You can't decide which key switch you like by imagining. That simply isn't the way it works.

[tjcaustin]

If you're in Europe you could try and sign up for the Realforce 104 Euro Tour over at Deskthority.net. Obviously, you'd still need to try the ergos but you never know.. you might fall in love with Topre.

you don't need to try topre.. they feel exactly like rubber dome, just IMagine typing on rubber dome, but NEVER having to press hard like on standard rubber dome because the activation point is guaranteed..

You can't decide which key switch you like by imagining. That simply isn't the way it works.

It's topre.  It's tp4.  It's trolling.

[AKIMbO]

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

[tp4tissue]

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

you have to be clear that it's your preference though... and the OP might like cherry better.

I've always presented a neutral description of the two switches..

[TheProfosist]

Topre unless u use a custom layout then ergo clears

[AKIMbO]

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

you have to be clear that it's your preference though... and the OP might like cherry better.

I've always presented a neutral description of the two switches..

Ok fine.....topre bottoms out softer and the tactile bump is rounder. Ergo clears bottom out harder.  Topre has a thocky sound, ergo clears sound like plastic hitting metal. 


Happy tp?

[khaangaaroo]

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

^That's my personal opinion as well.

I still own a bunch of other switch types for the fun factor and group buys. But they don't nearly get as much use as my Topre.

[tp4tissue]

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

you have to be clear that it's your preference though... and the OP might like cherry better.

I've always presented a neutral description of the two switches..

Ok fine.....topre bottoms out softer and the tactile bump is rounder. Ergo clears bottom out harder.  Topre has a thocky sound, ergo clears sound like plastic hitting metal. 


Happy tp?

ah.... boo bee boo bop..

You should mention that Cherry can be dampened with Orings to achieve comparable if not better, bottom out experience.

Now I am content-ed

[Trev]

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

Exactly.
I'm nearly finished my ergo-clears KBT Pure project that's been all Korean'd up with stickers, lube, etc. Any switches that I've tested so far simply can't compare to my Realforce 87U silent or other Topre keyboards. This maxed-out Pure will end up for sale like everything else has. I actually find myself getting quite attached to my Realforce board because it works so damn well for work.

Even if you give MX switches the best possible configuration, Topre is still in a different league entirely. These beautiful Korean keyboards seem pretty pointless (to me) because they're so flawless, yet stuck with the switches used in $40 gaming keyboards. Perfect Alu cases, plates, lube, and stickers really just amounts to lipstick on a pig when the very core of the typing experience is still the same cheapo MX switch. It's form over function.

Topre is a level of refinement and quality that will never be possible with MX, unless they release an entirely redesigned switch type. You really should test a Realforce kb for a least a month. It might save you from wasting your time and money.

[tp4tissue]

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

Exactly.
I'm nearly finished my ergo-clears KBT Pure project that's been all Korean'd up with stickers, lube, etc. Any switches that I've tested so far simply can't compare to my Realforce 87U silent or other Topre keyboards. This maxed-out Pure will end up for sale like everything else has. I actually find myself getting quite attached to my Realforce board because it works so damn well for work.

Even if you give MX switches the best possible configuration, Topre is still in a different league entirely. These beautiful Korean keyboards seem pretty pointless (to me) because they're so flawless, yet stuck with the switches used in $40 gaming keyboards. Perfect Alu cases, plates, lube, and stickers really just amounts to lipstick on a pig when the very core of the typing experience is still the same cheapo MX switch. It's form over function.

Topre is a level of refinement and quality that will never be possible with MX, unless they release an entirely redesigned switch type. You really should test a Realforce kb for a least a month. It might save you from wasting your time and money.

yawn... let me know when they make a topre ergodox.. i'll give it another shot then....

[AKIMbO]

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

Exactly.
I'm nearly finished my ergo-clears KBT Pure project that's been all Korean'd up with stickers, lube, etc. Any switches that I've tested so far simply can't compare to my Realforce 87U silent or other Topre keyboards. This maxed-out Pure will end up for sale like everything else has. I actually find myself getting quite attached to my Realforce board because it works so damn well for work.

Even if you give MX switches the best possible configuration, Topre is still in a different league entirely. These beautiful Korean keyboards seem pretty pointless (to me) because they're so flawless, yet stuck with the switches used in $40 gaming keyboards. Perfect Alu cases, plates, lube, and stickers really just amounts to lipstick on a pig when the very core of the typing experience is still the same cheapo MX switch. It's form over function.

Topre is a level of refinement and quality that will never be possible with MX, unless they release an entirely redesigned switch type. You really should test a Realforce kb for a least a month. It might save you from wasting your time and money.

I've had the internal debate with myself before.  If you tried topre right off the bat, before trying any mx, buckling spring, or ALPs switch....would you truely appreciate topre switches?  It seems to me that the majority of topre users who love the switch are fairly experienced with cherry switches.  Topre seems to be the switch a ton of us keyboard junkies settle into once we've run through a majority of switches. 

[tp4tissue]

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

Exactly.
I'm nearly finished my ergo-clears KBT Pure project that's been all Korean'd up with stickers, lube, etc. Any switches that I've tested so far simply can't compare to my Realforce 87U silent or other Topre keyboards. This maxed-out Pure will end up for sale like everything else has. I actually find myself getting quite attached to my Realforce board because it works so damn well for work.

Even if you give MX switches the best possible configuration, Topre is still in a different league entirely. These beautiful Korean keyboards seem pretty pointless (to me) because they're so flawless, yet stuck with the switches used in $40 gaming keyboards. Perfect Alu cases, plates, lube, and stickers really just amounts to lipstick on a pig when the very core of the typing experience is still the same cheapo MX switch. It's form over function.

Topre is a level of refinement and quality that will never be possible with MX, unless they release an entirely redesigned switch type. You really should test a Realforce kb for a least a month. It might save you from wasting your time and money.

I've had the internal debate with myself before.  If you tried topre right off the bat, before trying any mx, buckling spring, or ALPs switch....would you truely appreciate topre switches?  It seems to me that the majority of topre users who love the switch are fairly experienced with cherry switches.  Topre seems to be the switch a ton of us keyboard junkies settle into once we've run through a majority of switches. 

That's a confirmation bias... the fact that there are so few of your so called "experts" out there, and even fewer with the disposable income to try so many boards..

What you're describing is pure bologna...

Again, I wouldn't be saying this if you weren't so biased...

The "opinions" on this forum about topre is highly polarized..

[AKIMbO]

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

Exactly.
I'm nearly finished my ergo-clears KBT Pure project that's been all Korean'd up with stickers, lube, etc. Any switches that I've tested so far simply can't compare to my Realforce 87U silent or other Topre keyboards. This maxed-out Pure will end up for sale like everything else has. I actually find myself getting quite attached to my Realforce board because it works so damn well for work.

Even if you give MX switches the best possible configuration, Topre is still in a different league entirely. These beautiful Korean keyboards seem pretty pointless (to me) because they're so flawless, yet stuck with the switches used in $40 gaming keyboards. Perfect Alu cases, plates, lube, and stickers really just amounts to lipstick on a pig when the very core of the typing experience is still the same cheapo MX switch. It's form over function.

Topre is a level of refinement and quality that will never be possible with MX, unless they release an entirely redesigned switch type. You really should test a Realforce kb for a least a month. It might save you from wasting your time and money.

I've had the internal debate with myself before.  If you tried topre right off the bat, before trying any mx, buckling spring, or ALPs switch....would you truely appreciate topre switches?  It seems to me that the majority of topre users who love the switch are fairly experienced with cherry switches.  Topre seems to be the switch a ton of us keyboard junkies settle into once we've run through a majority of switches. 

That's a confirmation bias... the fact that there are so few of your so called "experts" out there, and even fewer with the disposable income to try so many boards..

What you're describing is pure bologna...

Again, I wouldn't be saying this if you weren't so biased...

You argument is circular TP.  Try harder broseph.

I still <3 you though.

[tp4tissue]

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

Exactly.
I'm nearly finished my ergo-clears KBT Pure project that's been all Korean'd up with stickers, lube, etc. Any switches that I've tested so far simply can't compare to my Realforce 87U silent or other Topre keyboards. This maxed-out Pure will end up for sale like everything else has. I actually find myself getting quite attached to my Realforce board because it works so damn well for work.

Even if you give MX switches the best possible configuration, Topre is still in a different league entirely. These beautiful Korean keyboards seem pretty pointless (to me) because they're so flawless, yet stuck with the switches used in $40 gaming keyboards. Perfect Alu cases, plates, lube, and stickers really just amounts to lipstick on a pig when the very core of the typing experience is still the same cheapo MX switch. It's form over function.

Topre is a level of refinement and quality that will never be possible with MX, unless they release an entirely redesigned switch type. You really should test a Realforce kb for a least a month. It might save you from wasting your time and money.

I've had the internal debate with myself before.  If you tried topre right off the bat, before trying any mx, buckling spring, or ALPs switch....would you truely appreciate topre switches?  It seems to me that the majority of topre users who love the switch are fairly experienced with cherry switches.  Topre seems to be the switch a ton of us keyboard junkies settle into once we've run through a majority of switches. 

That's a confirmation bias... the fact that there are so few of your so called "experts" out there, and even fewer with the disposable income to try so many boards..

What you're describing is pure bologna...

Again, I wouldn't be saying this if you weren't so biased...

You argument is circular TP.  Try harder broseph.

I still <3 you though.

I am pointing out that there are too few people who have done the comparison to definitively say TOPRE is better by vote..


It is also impossible to say which switch is truly better...  there's always two sides... and too often when you give a keyboard recommendation, you offer YOUR side...

I've not recommended either keyboard..

ONLY detailed descriptions

[khaangaaroo]

The "opinions" on this forum about topre is highly polarized..

If by polarized you mean: 100 members for Topre for every 100 posts by you against Topre   )

[tp4tissue]

The "opinions" on this forum about topre is highly polarized..

If by polarized you mean: 100 members for Topre for every 100 posts by you against Topre   )

yes, I do this for the community, you're welcome, because you guys convinced me to buy one, to my dismay, it was a bit of an overhype

and prior to the purchase I was CONVINCED... through and through that I'd LOVE this thing... that did not happen.. and I find it no better than mx.

I am also not saying mx is better... this is key..

[Trev]

There's probably an even larger number of Topre users who found their perfect keyboard, then never returned to the forums.

On the other hand, if they're 14 and doing the MX thing, they'll need to cycle through all of the switch colors, buy some lubes, order a plate, springs, etc. This is all before ever saving up for a Realforce or HHKB

[tp4tissue]

There's probably an even larger number of Topre users who found their perfect keyboard, then never returned to the forums.

On the other hand, if they're 14 and doing the MX thing, they'll need to cycle through all of the switch colors, buy some lubes, order a plate, springs, etc. This is all before ever saving up for a Realforce or HHKB

This is not true.. you're assuming the topre "can" at all be perfect... a biased opinion again.

It's a preference....

why is it a preference, and must remain a preference.. //breath in//  because the PERFORMANCE/ FUnction of a keyboard well exceeds our capacity to fulfill...

when this is the case............... how we choose to go about USING a keyboard or choosing a keyboard to use, is a preference.

[AKIMbO]

The "opinions" on this forum about topre is highly polarized..

If by polarized you mean: 100 members for Topre for every 100 posts by you against Topre   )

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

Exactly.
I'm nearly finished my ergo-clears KBT Pure project that's been all Korean'd up with stickers, lube, etc. Any switches that I've tested so far simply can't compare to my Realforce 87U silent or other Topre keyboards. This maxed-out Pure will end up for sale like everything else has. I actually find myself getting quite attached to my Realforce board because it works so damn well for work.

Even if you give MX switches the best possible configuration, Topre is still in a different league entirely. These beautiful Korean keyboards seem pretty pointless (to me) because they're so flawless, yet stuck with the switches used in $40 gaming keyboards. Perfect Alu cases, plates, lube, and stickers really just amounts to lipstick on a pig when the very core of the typing experience is still the same cheapo MX switch. It's form over function.

Topre is a level of refinement and quality that will never be possible with MX, unless they release an entirely redesigned switch type. You really should test a Realforce kb for a least a month. It might save you from wasting your time and money.

I've had the internal debate with myself before.  If you tried topre right off the bat, before trying any mx, buckling spring, or ALPs switch....would you truely appreciate topre switches?  It seems to me that the majority of topre users who love the switch are fairly experienced with cherry switches.  Topre seems to be the switch a ton of us keyboard junkies settle into once we've run through a majority of switches. 

That's a confirmation bias... the fact that there are so few of your so called "experts" out there, and even fewer with the disposable income to try so many boards..

What you're describing is pure bologna...

Again, I wouldn't be saying this if you weren't so biased...

You argument is circular TP.  Try harder broseph.

I still <3 you though.

I am pointing out that there are too few people who have done the comparison to definitively say TOPRE is better by vote..


It is also impossible to say which switch is truly better...  there's always two sides... and too often when you give a keyboard recommendation, you offer YOUR side...

I've not recommended either keyboard..

ONLY detailed descriptions

^I agree with you here TP. 

But you can't dismiss an opinion based on bias...because an opinion is entirely bias...that's what makes it an opinion.

[tp4tissue]

The "opinions" on this forum about topre is highly polarized..

If by polarized you mean: 100 members for Topre for every 100 posts by you against Topre   )

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

Exactly.
I'm nearly finished my ergo-clears KBT Pure project that's been all Korean'd up with stickers, lube, etc. Any switches that I've tested so far simply can't compare to my Realforce 87U silent or other Topre keyboards. This maxed-out Pure will end up for sale like everything else has. I actually find myself getting quite attached to my Realforce board because it works so damn well for work.

Even if you give MX switches the best possible configuration, Topre is still in a different league entirely. These beautiful Korean keyboards seem pretty pointless (to me) because they're so flawless, yet stuck with the switches used in $40 gaming keyboards. Perfect Alu cases, plates, lube, and stickers really just amounts to lipstick on a pig when the very core of the typing experience is still the same cheapo MX switch. It's form over function.

Topre is a level of refinement and quality that will never be possible with MX, unless they release an entirely redesigned switch type. You really should test a Realforce kb for a least a month. It might save you from wasting your time and money.

I've had the internal debate with myself before.  If you tried topre right off the bat, before trying any mx, buckling spring, or ALPs switch....would you truely appreciate topre switches?  It seems to me that the majority of topre users who love the switch are fairly experienced with cherry switches.  Topre seems to be the switch a ton of us keyboard junkies settle into once we've run through a majority of switches. 

That's a confirmation bias... the fact that there are so few of your so called "experts" out there, and even fewer with the disposable income to try so many boards..

What you're describing is pure bologna...

Again, I wouldn't be saying this if you weren't so biased...

You argument is circular TP.  Try harder broseph.

I still <3 you though.

I am pointing out that there are too few people who have done the comparison to definitively say TOPRE is better by vote..


It is also impossible to say which switch is truly better...  there's always two sides... and too often when you give a keyboard recommendation, you offer YOUR side...

I've not recommended either keyboard..

ONLY detailed descriptions

^I agree with you here TP. 

But you can't dismiss an opinion based on bias...because an opinion is entirely bias...that's what makes it an opinion.

.... don't try to sweet talk your way outta this Akimbo... you're clearly in the Topre-zi enforcers brigade.

[AKIMbO]

^Topre, mein retter.

[Macsmasher]

Topre is a more refined experience.  Ergo clears are the closest cherry switch to topre....but topre bests it.  Put it this way...I have tried nearly every switch under the sun and I keep coming back to topre.

Exactly.
I'm nearly finished my ergo-clears KBT Pure project that's been all Korean'd up with stickers, lube, etc. Any switches that I've tested so far simply can't compare to my Realforce 87U silent or other Topre keyboards. This maxed-out Pure will end up for sale like everything else has. I actually find myself getting quite attached to my Realforce board because it works so damn well for work.

Even if you give MX switches the best possible configuration, Topre is still in a different league entirely. These beautiful Korean keyboards seem pretty pointless (to me) because they're so flawless, yet stuck with the switches used in $40 gaming keyboards. Perfect Alu cases, plates, lube, and stickers really just amounts to lipstick on a pig when the very core of the typing experience is still the same cheapo MX switch. It's form over function.

Topre is a level of refinement and quality that will never be possible with MX, unless they release an entirely redesigned switch type. You really should test a Realforce kb for a least a month. It might save you from wasting your time and money.

^ truth...

[Trev]

This entire thing is about opinions. However, I think there's also a tipping point where it's important to acknowledge that one switch type is simply engineered better than the other (regardless of your typing preference). Like the switch or not, design-wise the Topre switch seems to be a much more modern and refined (pseudo?)mechanical switch than anything MX.

The most important point I'd like to make is that Topre needs to be thoroughly tested and used extensively before deciding if the "feeling of oneness with cup rubber" is your style or not. Do typing tests, real world tests, everything. Try to wear it out. Don't do it half-assed. If you type on something Topre for 20 minutes, it feels a bit underwhelming and bland, especially if you're coming from a noisy and clunky switch like many MX variants.

I started off with no bias or opinions in any direction, I've gone through the following (not in order, and I'd often return to many of these for additional "sessions").
- Realforce 87U variable - Excellent, but I prefer the dampened Topre switch sound.
- Realforce 87U silent (my keeper above all others)
- Happy Hacking Keyboard Type-S (Japanese) - Weird staggering prevented me from typing properly. Unusable. 
- Happy Hacking Keyboard 2 Type-S - My second favorite
- Matias Laptop Pro  - Had potential, but horrible build quality on mine with skewed keys. RMA'd it.
- Das Keyboard with MX Blues - Garbage keyboard and switch, Ebay'd after giving it a good run.
- DSI SMK-88 Cherry MX Blacks - "ok", but didn't like the linear feel. Keyboard felt cheap and had weird roll-over/blocking issues.
- KBT Pure with Cherry MX Blues - More MX blue garbage typing. Too slow. Needlessly pingy and loud with no benefit to such audible feedback.
- KBT Pure with Ergo-Clears. Stickers+lube+love - Probably the best MX setup I've tried. This is the only decent alternative to Topre, IMO. Even so, it still isn't close.
- Apple Extended Keyboard II w/Alps - Mine is in fairly new condition, but the switches are more mushy than I remembered. I'll clean it up and Ebay.
- A Cherry board with MX Browns (but this board wasn't mine and I didn't use it for a proper long term test). However, it's MX and really not that different. A scratchy version of ergo-clears with less bump.

Not sure if I've forgotten any

[Michael]

I have gone through the same journey, tried every single switch I could possibly try, and ended up back at Topre. While it may be a matter of personal opinion on what switch is better/best, the many people that use Topre are surely not delusional.


You can use the argument that topre is a rubber dome, and sure, technically yes it is. Does that make it the same as your scissor switch or other cheap rubber domes? Most certainly not. Any argument based on this, is one based on pure ignorance.
But let's get real here; we ARE having this discussion with tp4, after all.....

[Sniping]

Thanks for all the input, I think I'm leaning towards a TKL RF 55g. Oh, and I have a completely unrelated question, does Bro Caps happen to be the guy that makes brobots, or are they not related?

[Trev]

I have gone through the same journey, tried every single switch I could possibly try, and ended up back at Topre. While it may be a matter of personal opinion on what switch is better/best, the many people that use Topre are surely not delusional.

You can use the argument that topre is a rubber dome, and sure, technically yes it is. Does that make it the same as your scissor switch or other cheap rubber domes? Most certainly not. Any argument based on this, is one based on pure ignorance.
But let's get real here; we ARE having this discussion with tp4, after all.....

A not uncommon conclusion to the same journey. A few forum searches will find plenty of FS posts where people are ditching their crap, including Korean customs because they "really only use their HHKB/Realforce". There's far fewer shifting the other direction within the realm of workhorse "getting **** done" keyboards. Collecting keycaps and custom kb projects are kind of a separate thing.

If I could time travel back and give advice to myself, I'd simply say: "Stick with the 87U-silent because you'll grow to enjoy it more than any man should enjoy his keyboard. Don't waste your time and money hoping some magic sauce and love will fix MX switches".

[sth]

This is all before ever saving up for a Realforce or HHKB

seriously i could own multiple silent topre boards at this point, all with aftermarket keycaps and have money left over had i spent all that money on cherry stuff

[Trev]

Thanks for all the input, I think I'm leaning towards a TKL RF 55g. Oh, and I have a completely unrelated question, does Bro Caps happen to be the guy that makes brobots, or are they not related?

The 55g's are a love it or hate it switch. You might want to make sure you've tried 45g and variable before committing to all 55's.

My 55g esc keys provide enough input to know that I definitely wouldn't want a keyboard full of them, I'd be typing much slower. Weighting is a very subjective and personal thing, so make sure you don't get stuck with something that doesn't suit your style.

Where are you located? Maybe one of us could send you a Topre board to test. I'm in Queensland, Australia. I have a HHKB Type-S I'm not using (which will eventually be for sale).

[Michael]

Bro Caps happen to be the guy that makes brobots, or are they not related?

Maybe.....

[keymaster]

Ergo-clear and Topre are not comparable since they feel nothing alike. Obviously then, it's all down to preference.

/thread

[tp4tissue]

Ergo-clear and Topre are not comparable since they feel nothing alike. Obviously then, it's all down to preference.

/thread

I agree... but people love to paint their own trophies

[Trev]

Ergo-clear and Topre are not comparable since they feel nothing alike. Obviously then, it's all down to preference.

/thread

I agree... but people love to paint their own trophies

I respect that fact that you don't like Topre. I can even completely understand why some people wouldn't like the switches. However, you really seem to just go on and on with the negativity. It's non-stop. What's the point? It's time to get over your hate and move on to something more productive.

What is your favourite keyboard/switch?

[Michael]

However, you really seem to just go on and on with the negativity. It's non-stop. What's the point? It's time to get over your hate and move on to something more productive.

Trev, meet tp4tissue.




Hope you don't expect anything more than what you described of tp4, because that is about as much as you will get.

[Trev]

However, you really seem to just go on and on with the negativity. It's non-stop. What's the point? It's time to get over your hate and move on to something more productive.

Trev, meet tp4tissue.

Hope you don't expect anything more than what you described of tp4, because that is about as much as you will get.

Yeah, I've lurked around for a long time before posting here. His Topre experience appears to have scarred him for life. So much bitterness and hate over a little Japanese keyboard company.

There's one particular keyboard manufacturer that I thought was vastly overrated and over-priced. I made a couple of careful comments (to hopefully benefit others) and moved on. Definitely not worth any further energy or effort for one bad keyboard.

Perhaps he's astro-turfing for another manufacturer? That would almost make more sense.

[tp4tissue]

However, you really seem to just go on and on with the negativity. It's non-stop. What's the point? It's time to get over your hate and move on to something more productive.

Trev, meet tp4tissue.

Hope you don't expect anything more than what you described of tp4, because that is about as much as you will get.

Yeah, I've lurked around for a long time before posting here. His Topre experience appears to have scarred him for life. So much bitterness and hate over a little Japanese keyboard company.

There's one particular keyboard manufacturer that I thought was vastly overrated and over-priced. I made a couple of careful comments (to hopefully benefit others) and moved on. Definitely not worth any further energy or effort for one bad keyboard.

Perhaps he's astro-turfing for another manufacturer? That would almost make more sense.

stop trolling..


I am saying Topre is NOT better than Cherry..

I am not proposing Cherry is Better than TOPRE..

I've given my description of the switches in a completely neutral tone..


The personal experience I've shared is simply that OTHER PEOPLE's personal experience regarding which keyboard is BETTER is a terrible indicator and most often borderline lying.

[nubbinator]

alternatively

[Trev]

However, you really seem to just go on and on with the negativity. It's non-stop. What's the point? It's time to get over your hate and move on to something more productive.

Trev, meet tp4tissue.

Hope you don't expect anything more than what you described of tp4, because that is about as much as you will get.

Yeah, I've lurked around for a long time before posting here. His Topre experience appears to have scarred him for life. So much bitterness and hate over a little Japanese keyboard company.

There's one particular keyboard manufacturer that I thought was vastly overrated and over-priced. I made a couple of careful comments (to hopefully benefit others) and moved on. Definitely not worth any further energy or effort for one bad keyboard.

Perhaps he's astro-turfing for another manufacturer? That would almost make more sense.

...
The personal experience I've shared is simply that OTHER PEOPLE's personal experience regarding which keyboard is BETTER is a terrible indicator and most often borderline lying.

What a load of ****.

Personal experiences do matter. When an overwhelming majority of professionals who type all day end up with a HHKB or Realforce sitting on their desk (no doubt after blasting through tons of other keyboard types), I'd take note of such a trend. How are the cumulative experiences of these people not relevant?

You're an edge-case minority who dislikes these keyboards. Why parrot the same old BS and flawed arguments in every thread?

[tp4tissue]

However, you really seem to just go on and on with the negativity. It's non-stop. What's the point? It's time to get over your hate and move on to something more productive.

Trev, meet tp4tissue.

Hope you don't expect anything more than what you described of tp4, because that is about as much as you will get.

Yeah, I've lurked around for a long time before posting here. His Topre experience appears to have scarred him for life. So much bitterness and hate over a little Japanese keyboard company.

There's one particular keyboard manufacturer that I thought was vastly overrated and over-priced. I made a couple of careful comments (to hopefully benefit others) and moved on. Definitely not worth any further energy or effort for one bad keyboard.

Perhaps he's astro-turfing for another manufacturer? That would almost make more sense.

...
The personal experience I've shared is simply that OTHER PEOPLE's personal experience regarding which keyboard is BETTER is a terrible indicator and most often borderline lying.

What a load of ****.

Personal experiences do matter. When an overwhelming majority of professionals who type all day end up with a HHKB or Realforce sitting on their desk (no doubt after blasting through tons of other keyboard types), I'd take note of such a trend. How are the cumulative experiences of these people not relevant?

You're an edge-case minority who dislikes these keyboards. Why parrot the same old BS and flawed arguments in every thread?

You couldn't be more wrong..

I don't dislike Topre at all, because they feel the same, one's travels a bit smoother due to thicker shaft and higher tolerance, that's it.


What I dislike is You guys circle jerking each other about how Topre is magic... 

So that is to say, I dislike the Topre Crowd..

This is misrepresentation...


And don't give me that sh...t about professionals recommended... Doctors used to help sell cigarettes, the most educated of the social classes...

Yea.. cuz professionals are always right...

[Sniping]

Thanks for all the input, I think I'm leaning towards a TKL RF 55g. Oh, and I have a completely unrelated question, does Bro Caps happen to be the guy that makes brobots, or are they not related?

The 55g's are a love it or hate it switch. You might want to make sure you've tried 45g and variable before committing to all 55's.

My 55g esc keys provide enough input to know that I definitely wouldn't want a keyboard full of them, I'd be typing much slower. Weighting is a very subjective and personal thing, so make sure you don't get stuck with something that doesn't suit your style.

Where are you located? Maybe one of us could send you a Topre board to test. I'm in Queensland, Australia. I have a HHKB Type-S I'm not using (which will eventually be for sale).

Thank you for your consideration, but I'm located in California, so I wouldn't bother.

[Sniping]

I own a keyboard with Blues, I think it feels a bit light. Based off just that, can I assume which weighting would be best for me?

[Michael]

You couldn't be more wrong..

I don't dislike Topre at all, because they feel the same, one's travels a bit smoother due to thicker shaft and higher tolerance, that's it.


What I dislike is You guys circle jerking each other about how Topre is magic... 

So that is to say, I dislike the Topre Crowd..

This is misrepresentation...

You are high, dude. Literally.


I can't even count how many topre hate posts you have made on this forum. You haven't brought anything valuable to any discussion since you have been here. You have been muted several times for being a douche.


I think it's safe to assume that your opinions are based on your skewed perception of reality. Because if you think that people having a normal discussion about the positives and negatives of MX vs Topre is 'circle jerking', then you shouldn't be allowed in public. Maybe you need to keep your helmet on so you don't hurt yourself.

[tp4tissue]

You couldn't be more wrong..

I don't dislike Topre at all, because they feel the same, one's travels a bit smoother due to thicker shaft and higher tolerance, that's it.


What I dislike is You guys circle jerking each other about how Topre is magic... 

So that is to say, I dislike the Topre Crowd..

This is misrepresentation...

You are high, dude. Literally.


I can't even count how many topre hate posts you have made on this forum. You haven't brought anything valuable to any discussion since you have been here. You have been muted several times for being a douche.


I think it's safe to assume that your opinions are based on your skewed perception of reality. Because if you think that people having a normal discussion about the positives and negatives of MX vs Topre is 'circle jerking', then you shouldn't be allowed in public. Maybe you need to keep your helmet on so you don't hurt yourself.

You couldn't be more wrong..

I don't dislike Topre at all, because they feel the same, one's travels a bit smoother due to thicker shaft and higher tolerance, that's it.


What I dislike is You guys circle jerking each other about how Topre is magic... 

So that is to say, I dislike the Topre Crowd..

This is misrepresentation...

You are high, dude. Literally.


I can't even count how many topre hate posts you have made on this forum. You haven't brought anything valuable to any discussion since you have been here. You have been muted several times for being a douche.


I think it's safe to assume that your opinions are based on your skewed perception of reality. Because if you think that people having a normal discussion about the positives and negatives of MX vs Topre is 'circle jerking', then you shouldn't be allowed in public. Maybe you need to keep your helmet on so you don't hurt yourself.

Never made a topre hate comment.. I've only made H8 topre crowd comments..

i stand firm that I do not hate topre.. I'm saying it right now.. if you choose to believe otherwise or take what i've said out of context that's up to you..

I feel that topre feels very similar to rubber dome, and superior in engineering.


And yes, I see you guys with your topre circle jerks all the time.. topre appreciation thread? Laughable..


You're the ones who bring nothing but biased opinions into the discussion..

I stick with primarily neutral descriptions..


I add in my distaste for the Topre agenda, simply because i wouldn't want to see anyone making a bad decision when they're under the influence of your flak.

[Trev]

I own a keyboard with Blues, I think it feels a bit light. Based off just that, can I assume which weighting would be best for me?

MX/Topre switches are so different that your preference in the weighting of blues isn't really enough to go by (IMO). Even if Blues feel light to you, they also have a big tactile/audible click that actuates lower in the key press than Topre. Resistance in the Topre key press is fairly high up, then quickly drops off to an almost inevitable thock-out.

Most people end up with 45g or 45g variable, but some prefer 55g over those. I'd start with a Realforce in 45g from wherever it's cheapest. The 87U in Australia is $179 shipped, not a bad deal at all. We're lucky to actually have better pricing on some models.

[L4yercake]

If you type. Get a Topre.

If you game more then you type I would suggest a cheap CherryMX board and then buy a Topre.

[tp4tissue]

If you type. Get a Topre.

If you game more then you type I would suggest a cheap CherryMX board and then buy a Topre.

Typing and Gaming does not make a difference on either board..

The only problem indicated has been variable weighted keys on topre.


This shouldn't be part of the decision.

[quickcrx702]

Ergo-clear and Topre are not comparable since they feel nothing alike. Obviously then, it's all down to preference.

/thread

Agreed.  Even different Topre key weights feel nothing alike.  I LOVE my 55g and feel it is worth every penny, but I feel like I wasted money on the 45g.  I like tactile boards, but I don't have little girl fingers nor do I have any crazy injuries in my hands that require a feather light board.  In my opinion, 55g > ergo clear > 45g.  Ergo clears feel very nice because the bump is very pronounced, but still not as tactile as a 55g.  45g feels buttery smooth, which some people like, but I'm not really a fan.