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« on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 17:36:01 »
So my lifes been pretty ****ty recently. unemployed, what few close friends I have have either moved away or are wrapped up in their own lives... and I have a strained relationship with the rents to say the least.|
Anyway the exams ive likely done badly in are all but done and im left with nothing to fill my time and no prospects for employment, and no way to move away to find employment....the job market here is abysmal.

so I decided to pursue something i've been interested in for some years; the armed forces. I was in the cadets when i was younger and always thought it would do me good to join.

I've made an appointment with the army recruitment officer next week to discuss my options.
I'm hoping the army will get me away from this godforsaken island, train me, pay me and give me some purpose in life.
Im also curious what would count as frontline in late 2013/early 2014 as the british army is meant to be withdrawn all but entirely from afghanistan.

Hoping to join as a grunt not an officer...partly as i feel this would be more the lifestyle im looking for and partly as i feel it is unfair to join at a rank that many work several years to achieve.  and that you would not command respect. the pay rise for officer is tempting though.

I want to do 1 year frontline work and then 2-3 years training and doing Telecoms and IT based roles. Hopefully get my training all done from them and gain the experience i need for when i get out.

anyway, anyone else enlisted or thinking of enlisting, any advice etc etc. im UK btw.

besides, if nothing else this will be an excuse for a camo ssk or filco :D
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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 17:43:01 »
Youll want to decide what role you want to provide; although that will obviously be asked. If you want to go into IT maybe a career in the signals?  Many people here will have more in depth thoughts that I.

With regards to the frontline, we will be out of Afghnistan by 2015 (I think) but I wouldnt be supprised if after the Arab spring Dubi goes down the ****ter. Either that or something relating to Korea, although i dont believe that will last too long.
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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 17:45:33 »
Um... as long as you're in the tech tent, you're safe.. So, make sure you're "that" kind-of soldier.

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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 17:49:19 »
ahh so a bit later than i thought for us being out of afghanistan, heres some of the roles ive been looking at.
You just know saying that you are a counter intelligence operative will get you all the womenz.

So ideally id like to do frontline work for 6 months to a year and then progress and get trained in one of these roles.
I mean its early days still.

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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 17:49:44 »
Um... as long as you're in the tech tent, you're safe.. So, make sure you're "that" kind-of soldier.

tech tent? that kind of soldier....sounds saucy?
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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 18:01:16 »
Served my mandatory service as a sniper, can't imagine why anyone would enlist into an occupation of free nations.
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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 18:09:15 »
Honestly, in my experience the armed forces is full of divvies that seem barely capable of coping in the real world and would otherwise be stacking shelves at Tesco. Not only that, but the pay is crap and the lifestyle seems depressing to me.

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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 18:17:33 »
Honestly, in my experience the armed forces is full of divvies that seem barely capable of coping in the real world and would otherwise be stacking shelves at Tesco. Not only that, but the pay is crap and the lifestyle seems depressing to me.

It's quite a broad spectrum, but yes most likely you'll meet incredibly stupid people in the army however there are regular folk there as well. The "lifestyle" might seem "depressing" but going thru **** together really bonds people and you'll make friends for life.
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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 18:30:03 »
Honestly, in my experience the armed forces is full of divvies that seem barely capable of coping in the real world and would otherwise be stacking shelves at Tesco. Not only that, but the pay is crap and the lifestyle seems depressing to me.

What a total douche.

You should really get off your high horse.... do you lead an un-fulfilling life that has lead you to feel insecure, and thus by ego-stroking, you compensate for that emptiness?

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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 18:44:56 »
For the record about 14 years ago I was all ready to go into the Navy to be a nuclear tech on a submarines but a full college scholarship and my parents decided I was going to college instead.

I often wonder how things would have turned out had I went.

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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 18:53:15 »
For the record about 14 years ago I was all ready to go into the Navy to be a nuclear tech on a submarines but a full college scholarship and my parents decided I was going to college instead.

I often wonder how things would have turned out had I went.

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You know those movies where the subs blow up under water, and you see survivors... Yea.. that NEVER happens... EVER

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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 19:04:40 »
Honestly, in my experience the armed forces is full of divvies that seem barely capable of coping in the real world and would otherwise be stacking shelves at Tesco. Not only that, but the pay is crap and the lifestyle seems depressing to me.

What a total douche.

You should really get off your high horse.... do you lead an un-fulfilling life that has lead you to feel insecure, and thus by ego-stroking, you compensate for that emptiness?

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No, I don't, much as you might wish that was the case.

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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 19:37:15 »
For the record about 14 years ago I was all ready to go into the Navy to be a nuclear tech on a submarines but a full college scholarship and my parents decided I was going to college instead.

I often wonder how things would have turned out had I went.

more drowning.. less internet...

You know those movies where the subs blow up under water, and you see survivors... Yea.. that NEVER happens... EVER

True, not a lot of subs blow up these days.

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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 20:23:44 »
I just about got signed up with the Marines, but at the last minute I took a night to think it over (for the first time in my life). I can say I'm very glad I didn't go through with it. Not 6 months later, US was waging war against the middle east and sending everyone and their grandmother over there...

Anyway, I know folks that love it and some that spend their days regretting it. Talk to some active and non active guys, most of them will shoot you straight on what it's like. Good luck dude!
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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 22:17:39 »
I did four years in the Marine Corps infantry. The best memories came from the people you meet and the friends you make. The bonds that were made within the platoon were incredibly strong. They have to be when your life might depend on the guy next to you. I haven't found more camaraderie anywhere else.

At the same time there were also plenty of bad memories as well. Two tours in Iraq will do that. There were plenty of nights when I asked myself what the hell was I doing. There were a few too many memorial services attended. You learn to take the good with the bad, or vice versa.

I realize now that there isn't much in the civilian world that can push me to my limits like what I experienced in the military.

Do I regret it? There were a lot of days while I was in that I did. Looking back now that I'm out I don't.

That said, peacetime military is quite a bit different than wartime. It's a completely different mindset. YMMV

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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 23:28:05 »
For the record about 14 years ago I was all ready to go into the Navy to be a nuclear tech on a submarines but a full college scholarship and my parents decided I was going to college instead.

I often wonder how things would have turned out had I went.

more drowning.. less internet...

You know those movies where the subs blow up under water, and you see survivors... Yea.. that NEVER happens... EVER

True, not a lot of subs blow up these days.

I would think that's probably because it's impossible to find one when they blow up and the cost of recovery is too high..

And there wouldn't be a rescue for the crew since they're surely dead...


So, even if a couple did blow up, we wouldn't hear about it... and they certainly wouldn't go reporting it, as it'd be quite embarrassing and admitting an "EXPENSIVE" loss is not productive for Military PR..

Hey, join our navy, we've only had 3 subs completely lost at sea, seriously-seriously lost, like we don't know where they are...

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« Reply #16 on: Sun, 26 May 2013, 05:04:00 »
Why you would willingly not become an Officer is blowing my mind, knowing several people who where in the Army and RAF... being an officer actually gives you a future outside the army.
All the people who went in as grunts and came out St. Majors etc are now living in ****ty council estates as bus drivers trying to get through in life. Where as the officers can come out with an insane pension live in a nice house, retire at 40 and then go on to do some easy as **** well paid office work as and when they please.


Give your self the chance of making a good living from it and having a future, and not being seriously injured in some insane war that helps no one.
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« Reply #17 on: Sun, 26 May 2013, 05:07:55 »
Why you would willingly not become an Officer is blowing my mind, knowing several people who where in the Army and RAF... being an officer actually gives you a future outside the army.
All the people who went in as grunts and came out St. Majors etc are now living in ****ty council estates as bus drivers trying to get through in life. Where as the officers can come out with an insane pension live in a nice house, retire at 40 and then go on to do some easy as **** well paid office work as and when they please.


Give your self the chance of making a good living from it and having a future, and not being seriously injured in some insane war that helps no one.


This, why on earth would you want to enter at the lowest level? They won't give you a prize for doing so.

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« Reply #18 on: Sun, 26 May 2013, 05:08:38 »
Why you would willingly not become an Officer is blowing my mind, knowing several people who where in the Army and RAF... being an officer actually gives you a future outside the army.
All the people who went in as grunts and came out St. Majors etc are now living in ****ty council estates as bus drivers trying to get through in life. Where as the officers can come out with an insane pension live in a nice house, retire at 40 and then go on to do some easy as **** well paid office work as and when they please.


Give your self the chance of making a good living from it and having a future, and not being seriously injured in some insane war that helps no one.
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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 26 May 2013, 05:15:50 »
Oh and true story; my uncle who was an officer in the RAF got an MBE from the Queen for his services to the country. A friend of my mums who served on the front lines in Northern Ireland and the Gulf came out with scars and horrible memories...

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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 26 May 2013, 06:36:17 »
wow so errr, lot of posts since i last checked.

Served my mandatory service as a sniper, can't imagine why anyone would enlist into an occupation of free nations.

I have a lot of moral qualms about joining, but have decided that irrespective of why we entered afghanistan, we are doing good now and those that are trying to kill me are either collateral damage (hope i never have to be in that situation) or genuinely nasty people who hail from the religion of peace and tolerance.

Honestly, in my experience the armed forces is full of divvies that seem barely capable of coping in the real world and would otherwise be stacking shelves at Tesco. Not only that, but the pay is crap and the lifestyle seems depressing to me.

Honestly, in my experience the armed forces is full of divvies that seem barely capable of coping in the real world and would otherwise be stacking shelves at Tesco. Not only that, but the pay is crap and the lifestyle seems depressing to me.

It's quite a broad spectrum, but yes most likely you'll meet incredibly stupid people in the army however there are regular folk there as well. The "lifestyle" might seem "depressing" but going thru **** together really bonds people and you'll make friends for life.

Honestly, in my experience the armed forces is full of divvies that seem barely capable of coping in the real world and would otherwise be stacking shelves at Tesco. Not only that, but the pay is crap and the lifestyle seems depressing to me.

What a total douche.

You should really get off your high horse.... do you lead an un-fulfilling life that has lead you to feel insecure, and thus by ego-stroking, you compensate for that emptiness?

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while I have no doubt that many of the "grunts" lack intelligence and may otherwise be stacking shelves at tesco. You are taking a very very narrow view. many intelligent people such as myself may join for the experience or merely to give themself a boot in the arse and get out there.

Furthermore, you seem to think all the basic rank does is charge in with bayonets....you can go into 100s of roles other than frontline, like im quite liking the look of counter intelligence and electronic warfare. But i feel i would like to do 6 months as a "grunt" first, challenge myself say ive done it etc.

Also lifestyle is very subjective, it wont be 5* accommodation but its not that bad. as for pay...while basic pay may look mediocore, you have all your food, accommodation etc etc very heavily subsidized or paid for and you wont be spending any money while away so there is a MUCH high take home salary than you might think.

besides im not in this for the money so much, i want the training and the life experience.

I did four years in the Marine Corps infantry. The best memories came from the people you meet and the friends you make. The bonds that were made within the platoon were incredibly strong. They have to be when your life might depend on the guy next to you. I haven't found more camaraderie anywhere else.

At the same time there were also plenty of bad memories as well. Two tours in Iraq will do that. There were plenty of nights when I asked myself what the hell was I doing. There were a few too many memorial services attended. You learn to take the good with the bad, or vice versa.

I realize now that there isn't much in the civilian world that can push me to my limits like what I experienced in the military.

Do I regret it? There were a lot of days while I was in that I did. Looking back now that I'm out I don't.

That said, peacetime military is quite a bit different than wartime. It's a completely different mindset. YMMV

Thanks for sharing, think it gives quite an honest view...dont know if id enlist if we were still in Iraq.

Why you would willingly not become an Officer is blowing my mind, knowing several people who where in the Army and RAF... being an officer actually gives you a future outside the army.
All the people who went in as grunts and came out St. Majors etc are now living in ****ty council estates as bus drivers trying to get through in life. Where as the officers can come out with an insane pension live in a nice house, retire at 40 and then go on to do some easy as **** well paid office work as and when they please.


Give your self the chance of making a good living from it and having a future, and not being seriously injured in some insane war that helps no one.

where to start....If you had read my post you would see that im only serving the minimum time 3 years or so, so career progression within the army is not a priority...and I think it is unfair that one should skip the ranks and go straight to officer, I also dont want to be caught up with all the admin **** and i do not want to hold an empty title. The pay is the only tempting bit. the pension is moot too.

I intend to have a good life after the army by doing a role in IT/telecoms for the army which will give me training and qualifications which will transfer well to civilian life, I am more intelligent than your averge grunt and will not be spending my days in a council flat with a daughter named after the beer propped up on gut. The people who get into this situation are usually those who only did front line or army specific roles, and do not have transferable skills.

Why you would willingly not become an Officer is blowing my mind, knowing several people who where in the Army and RAF... being an officer actually gives you a future outside the army.
All the people who went in as grunts and came out St. Majors etc are now living in ****ty council estates as bus drivers trying to get through in life. Where as the officers can come out with an insane pension live in a nice house, retire at 40 and then go on to do some easy as **** well paid office work as and when they please.


Give your self the chance of making a good living from it and having a future, and not being seriously injured in some insane war that helps no one.


This, why on earth would you want to enter at the lowest level? They won't give you a prize for doing so.

Life isnt about being given a prize or being rewarded for doing something you feel is good or just or courageous. you should do these actions for the merit of doing them in and of themselves.
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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 26 May 2013, 06:45:13 »
Why do you think that going in at the lowest level is a better life experience?

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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 26 May 2013, 06:46:47 »
I served as an Officer in the Royal Corps of Signals and completed tours in Iraq (1) and Afghan (3) before I resigned my commission a few years ago. I was in EW and my role meant more frequent tours..be aware that particular specialisms will take you into conflict areas (should we be engaged in any) more often than others. I completed twice as many tours as some of my Sandhurst contemporaries. There is no 'front line' in the sense there was in past wars and so you are up to your ears in it wherever you go. If you join and we are still deploying to Afghan you will go to areas where you will see people kill, be killed, be maimed etc on a regular basis. I have served at FoB's where we were losing two or three soldiers a week to very serious injury. The reality of Afghan is not the dead soldiers you see on the news (though that is very sad indeed) it is the daily grind of death and injury and unpleasant crap. But its a war, it's what you see on TV, speeded up with you in the middle of it.

There are also great moments, even in Afghan, same as anything else in life. I have seen things I would prefer I could unsee. I made friends and gained skills I will always have.

I believe this is something to think about before you join..you will be expected to face whether you can take a life and watch them taken. Whatever trade you join. This said it isn't everything it is about but you need to decide if you can get your head around it. If you can its probably the best experience you will have, you will make great friends and experience things which other people will never do. The technical trades have a very high standard because this is about life and death.

All sounds very serious doesn't it and believe me I enjoyed my service and had a great time overall. I left because I wanted to do something else and I don't regret either being in or leaving for a minute. I don't think there is much on the outside I can't deal with now.

I am working as a developer these days and now have a large team working for me. I didn't learn my dev skills in the military, I was interested enough to get into it myself, but I believe my quick journey to a senior management position is a direct result of my service training. After I left the Army I worked in the MoD for a while and that also helped my CV. I also have two masters degrees. Don't imagine that any service will fill your CV in for you..actively seek and supplement it yourself. Making things happen for yourself is a good indicator of whether you can be a leader or not. As an Officer you need to drive yourself and your soldiers and set a great example..you can't be at the back or having a bad day. Drive is what its about.

If you have the qualifications and the aptitude I would strongly recommend joining as an Officer, the opportunities are good, the leadership training is pretty much second to none and the breadth and depth of what you get to do will be considerably wider than most enlisted soldiers. The lifestyle is also rather better (but not in conflict zones).

I also believe that you need to recognise that most enlisted soldiers don't become Officers and there is no automatic path to being one if you join that way.. Also its not about commanding respect on the grounds of time served. As an Officer my most valuable resource for experience and advice were my NCOs..men and women with many years of service who are promoted to a service command rank; they are not Officers and most do not want to be (some will get commissioned towards the end of their service but are then sometimes rank capped). Any who want to be Officers will usually have moved out of the ranks fairly early on.

Officers are not managers, they are leaders who are accountable for the leadership decisions they take. If you join as an basic rank (Signaller, Private etc) don't expect a career path that leads easily to the commissioned ranks. Not that some enlisted soldiers don't take commissions, there were quite a few talented men and women on my course at RMAS from the ranks and they added a needed balance, but a lot of people will simply become Officers directly.

You do earn your experience and your credibility by being a junior Officer first (and if you think you know it all as a 2nd Lt you well and truly deserve to have your arse kicked).

Having said that if you want to be a technical specialist and work directly on a lot of kit then the other rank specialities may be for you as the technical work is done by comms specialists (in the Signals) and not as much by Officers.

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Honestly, in my experience the armed forces is full of divvies that seem barely capable of coping in the real world and would otherwise be stacking shelves at Tesco. Not only that, but the pay is crap and the lifestyle seems depressing to me

I think that's a rather narrow and not very rounded view that probably says more about you than about soldiers in general. I think this sort of stereotypical view shows a lack of analysis (you could say it about most people, I might generalise about people posting on this forum based on you, but I don't think that would be very fair) but that is simply my view and you are entitled to think whatever you like.

The Army has some very stupid people in it and some very bright ones..because it reflects the society that feeds it. In a lot of cases the Army offers education, stability and decent pay (in comparison to outside if you factor in it also houses its soldiers) to young men and women looking for an opportunity to improve themselves and forge a decent life.

That said, the Army doesn't look after soldiers as well as it should after they leave and there is far more they could do. I think, even after all this time, they have not entirely worked out the consequences of what serving in places like Afghan actually mean for young men and women who leave the services after a short time. The longer you stay in the more there is to come out to, in most cases.

So, long post over, I would say I recommend serving as long as you really think about it before you join and decide carefully what you want to do in and out of the Army. If you are working out goals, seeing a benefit, choosing a trade based on what you want to do after, you are placing yourself in a great position to get the most out of an Army career. Know what you want and how the Army will help you get it. If you have a degree try and join as an Officer if you believe you have what it takes..you will be paid more for a start.

You won't do front line work for a year and then get into a trade if you join as a Private soldier btw..you choose your Regiment or Corps do basic training, then learn your specialism and then will be deployed to do it.

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.and I think it is unfair that one should skip the ranks and go straight to officer, I also dont want to be caught up with all the admin **** and i do not want to hold an empty title. The pay is the only tempting bit. the pension is moot too.

You don't skip any ranks to join as an Officer. I didn't hold an empty title. I held one based on my experience, my service and my skills and I made decisions which affected peoples lives and ran operations that made a difference between success and failure for hundreds of people. If you think Officers have empty titles don't join as one..if you want to serve for others then join as an Officer. The motto of Sandhurst 'Serve to Lead' is that for a reason. You don't serve for you. You serve for your soldiers.
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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 26 May 2013, 07:10:17 »
I served as an Officer in the Royal Corps of Signals and completed tours in Iraq (1) and Afghan (3) before I resigned my commission a few years ago. I was in EW and my role meant more frequent tours..be aware that particular specialisms will take you into conflict areas (should we be engaged in any) more often than others. I completed twice as many tours as some of my Sandhurst contemporaries. There is no 'front line' in the sense there was in past wars and so you are up to your ears in it wherever you go. If you join and we are still deploying to Afghan you will go to areas where you will see people kill, be killed, be maimed etc on a regular basis. I have served at FoB's where we were losing two or three soldiers a week to very serious injury. The reality of Afghan is not the dead soldiers you see on the news (though that is very sad indeed) it is the daily grind of death and injury and unpleasant crap. But its a war, it's what you see on TV, speeded up with you in the middle of it.

There are also great moments, even in Afghan, same as anything else in life. I have seen things I would prefer I could unsee. I made friends and gained skills I will always have.

I believe this is something to think about before you join..you will be expected to face whether you can take a life and watch them taken. Whatever trade you join. This said it isn't everything it is about but you need to decide if you can get your head around it. If you can its probably the best experience you will have, you will make great friends and experience things which other people will never do. The technical trades have a very high standard because this is about life and death.

All sounds very serious doesn't it and believe me I enjoyed my service and had a great time overall. I left because I wanted to do something else and I don't regret either being in or leaving for a minute. I don't think there is much on the outside I can't deal with now.

I am working as a developer these days and now have a large team working for me. I didn't learn my dev skills in the military, I was interested enough to get into it myself, but I believe my quick journey to a senior management position is a direct result of my service training. After I left the Army I worked in the MoD for a while and that also helped my CV. I also have two masters degrees. Don't imagine that any service will fill your CV in for you..actively seek and supplement it yourself. Making things happen for yourself is a good indicator of whether you can be a leader or not. As an Officer you need to drive yourself and your soldiers and set a great example..you can't be at the back or having a bad day. Drive is what its about.

If you have the qualifications and the aptitude I would strongly recommend joining as an Officer, the opportunities are good, the leadership training is pretty much second to none and the breadth and depth of what you get to do will be considerably wider than most enlisted soldiers. The lifestyle is also rather better (but not in conflict zones).

I also believe that you need to recognise that most enlisted soldiers don't become Officers and there is no automatic path to being one if you join that way.. Also its not about commanding respect on the grounds of time served. As an Officer my most valuable resource for experience and advice were my NCOs..men and women with many years of service who are promoted to a service command rank; they are not Officers and most do not want to be (some will get commissioned towards the end of their service but are then sometimes rank capped). Any who want to be Officers will usually have moved out of the ranks fairly early on.

Officers are not managers, they are leaders who are accountable for the leadership decisions they take. If you join as an basic rank (Signaller, Private etc) don't expect a career path that leads easily to the commissioned ranks. Not that some enlisted soldiers don't take commissions, there were quite a few talented men and women on my course at RMAS from the ranks and they added a needed balance, but a lot of people will simply become Officers directly.

You do earn your experience and your credibility by being a junior Officer first (and if you think you know it all as a 2nd Lt you well and truly deserve to have your arse kicked).

Having said that if you want to be a technical specialist and work directly on a lot of kit then the other rank specialities may be for you as the technical work is done by comms specialists (in the Signals) and not as much by Officers.

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Honestly, in my experience the armed forces is full of divvies that seem barely capable of coping in the real world and would otherwise be stacking shelves at Tesco. Not only that, but the pay is crap and the lifestyle seems depressing to me

I think that's a rather narrow and not very rounded view that probably says more about you than about soldiers in general. I think this sort of stereotypical view shows a lack of analysis (you could say it about most people, I might generalise about people posting on this forum based on you, but I don't think that would be very fair) but that is simply my view and you are entitled to think whatever you like.

The Army has some very stupid people in it and some very bright ones..because it reflects the society that feeds it. In a lot of cases the Army offers education, stability and decent pay (in comparison to outside if you factor in it also houses its soldiers) to young men and women looking for an opportunity to improve themselves and forge a decent life.

That said, the Army doesn't look after soldiers as well as it should after they leave and there is far more they could do. I think, even after all this time, they have not entirely worked out the consequences of what serving in places like Afghan actually mean for young men and women who leave the services after a short time. The longer you stay in the more there is to come out to, in most cases.

So, long post over, I would say I recommend serving as long as you really think about it before you join and decide carefully what you want to do in and out of the Army. If you are working out goals, seeing a benefit, choosing a trade based on what you want to do after, you are placing yourself in a great position to get the most out of an Army career. Know what you want and how the Army will help you get it. If you have a degree try and join as an Officer if you believe you have what it takes..you will be paid more for a start.

You won't do front line work for a year and then get into a trade if you join as a Private soldier btw..you choose your Regiment or Corps do basic training, then learn your specialism and then will be deployed to do it.

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.and I think it is unfair that one should skip the ranks and go straight to officer, I also dont want to be caught up with all the admin **** and i do not want to hold an empty title. The pay is the only tempting bit. the pension is moot too.

You don't skip any ranks to join as an Officer. I didn't hold an empty title. I held one based on my experience, my service and my skills and I made decisions which affected peoples lives and ran operations that made a difference between success and failure for hundreds of people. If you think Officers have empty titles don't join as one..if you want to serve for others then join as an Officer. The motto of Sandhurst 'Serve to Lead' is that for a reason. You don't serve for you. You serve for your soldiers.

wow, cracking post. And a lot in there I didn't know or think about, I think i do really need to have a good long think for the next few weeks about what i want and where i want to be, and wether the army is definatly what i want to do. Also i'm not ruling out being an officer and i may be grabbing the wrong end of the stick per say, but its still not what im looking at atm, especially as i want to learn the skills of a trade as you said. Its early days and i'm going to have a long chat with the recruiter and see what he says.

as for specialisations, how hard is it to move from one similar specialisation to another, is this is a possibility? could i go from something more front line oriented i.e infantry IT systems operator to counter intelligence per say. (just an example).

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Re: Armed Forces...anyone else?
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 26 May 2013, 07:26:40 »
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wow, cracking post. And a lot in there I didn't know or think about, I think i do really need to have a good long think for the next few weeks about what i want and where i want to be, and wether the army is definatly what i want to do. Also i'm not ruling out being an officer and i may be grabbing the wrong end of the stick per say, but its still not what im looking at atm, especially as i want to learn the skills of a trade as you said. Its early days and i'm going to have a long chat with the recruiter and see what he says.

as for specialisations, how hard is it to move from one similar specialisation to another, is this is a possibility? could i go from something more front line oriented i.e infantry IT systems operator to counter intelligence per say. (just an example).

have you got an IM address you could pm me? I would love to ask you some quickfire questions some time, or join IRC; freenode>#geekhack

No worries, I don't have IM outside work but if you want to drop me a PM I'd be happy to help with any questions.

The recruiter should be able to answer lots more than me.

You can move between specialisms but you will usually pick a Corps or a Regiment up front. Once you are in one of them, for example the Signals, people do move about between different things depending on training and the systems they work on. The areas you work in are also classified to some extent on the remit they have..so some work can be at a very tactical level in the front line to a very high level working across a whole battlegroup area. I had three very diverse tours of Afghan, all within what was one main area of work, but deploying it to three completely different levels of operation.

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Re: Armed Forces...anyone else?
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 26 May 2013, 17:40:01 »
Honestly, in my experience the armed forces is full of divvies that seem barely capable of coping in the real world and would otherwise be stacking shelves at Tesco. Not only that, but the pay is crap and the lifestyle seems depressing to me.

What a total douche.

You should really get off your high horse.... do you lead an un-fulfilling life that has lead you to feel insecure, and thus by ego-stroking, you compensate for that emptiness?

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Re: Armed Forces...anyone else?
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 26 May 2013, 17:48:41 »
Honestly, in my experience the armed forces is full of divvies that seem barely capable of coping in the real world and would otherwise be stacking shelves at Tesco. Not only that, but the pay is crap and the lifestyle seems depressing to me.

What a total douche.

You should really get off your high horse.... do you lead an un-fulfilling life that has lead you to feel insecure, and thus by ego-stroking, you compensate for that emptiness?

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