Good monitors for a bad back?

[Trent]

So the doctor is complaining about my laptop usage as its putting un-needed stress on my upper and lower back.

I've been out of the monitor market for a while, does anyone have any suggestions when it comes to a good monitor?

Preferable features:

• IPS Display
• LED
• Resolution greater than 1920x1080
• Bigger than 23 inches, maybe 27
• Affordable, but good quality, but won't empty the wallet

I'm looking at this one, it'll hurt my wallet a bit but I can't go any more expensive than this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260111

[tp4tissue]

No.. do not get that one..

The IPS thing is HYPE.... No one except professionals need color accuracy.

And resolution isn't important either..

CONTRAST is the most important thing to any monitor...


In that respect, TN is just as good as IPS


I recommend any of the 2 available 144hz 27" TN panels.

They're great...



ONLY get ips if you plan to do professional work..  And by professional I mean either PRINT, or Mastering.. If you're just pumping out memes,  this does not require IPS

[Lanx]

ips isn't just for color accuracy but for viewing angles, i.e. if you look at a monitor head on TN is fine, if you use dual/triple display ips for the sides would be good. aren't all monitors going to ips/va anyone now?

[tp4tissue]

ips isn't just for color accuracy but for viewing angles, i.e. if you look at a monitor head on TN is fine, if you use dual/triple display ips for the sides would be good. aren't all monitors going to ips/va anyone now?

This is only relevant if you plan to share your monitor with a second onlooker..

Even if you use a triple monitor setup.. the only time the monitors would be oblique to your eyes will be when they're in your peripheral vision.

SINCE peripheral vision has dramatically reduced visual acuity due to it's distance from the fovea, both high resolution, and color are useless.

When you TURN to look at the monitor, you'd be centered...

[tgujay]

No.. do not get that one..

The IPS thing is HYPE.... No one except professionals need color accuracy.

And resolution isn't important either..

CONTRAST is the most important thing to any monitor...


In that respect, TN is just as good as IPS


I recommend any of the 2 available 144hz 27" TN panels.

They're great...



ONLY get ips if you plan to do professional work..  And by professional I mean either PRINT, or Mastering.. If you're just pumping out memes,  this does not require IPS

Ok now I just don't believe a single thing you say.

[Trent]

I'm looking at these:
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/monitor/#s=2700&w=1&l=1&qq=1&p=1&sort=a9

[tp4tissue]

I'm looking at these:
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/monitor/#s=2700&w=1&l=1&qq=1&p=1&sort=a9

sigh.....   all the <$500 ones only have 70% the color capacity as the >$500 ones.

That is the only difference.. 

And imho, all bad choices... assuming you are not doing color accurate work...


Color accurate does not mean BETTER...  it's a feature, but useless if you do not print.

Some people think they can SEEE the difference... this is not the point of color accuracy...

color accuracy is useful for COMPARISON between two mediums... such as from your screen to something you print out.


If you are not doing this... Accuracy is useless..


Ontop of that, you can't even get accurate colors even from an IPS without a $500 probe..  If you think you can get away with one of those $100 probes, you're kidding yourself

[Trent]

Yeah even now I switch to include monitors without IPS, but only a few have a resolution higher than 1920.1080

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/monitor/#s=2700&w=1&l=1&qq=1&p=0&sort=a9

[calavera]

I have an old BenQ monitor with S-PVA panel I believe with 1920x1200 res I could sell for cheap.

[Burz]

Do not limit yourself to large monitors. It wasn't the screen size on the laptops that was hurting your back. As of a couple years ago, the 21" models had the best pixel density of budget monitors.

IPS is good to have esp. if you lean back in your chair or height-adjust... the vertical change can make the TN panels look goofy.

[Input Nirvana]

I strongly looking at monitors and side-by-side comparisons. Find what you like and pay it. You will never regret a quality monitor or quality keyboard.

24" is my minimum monitor size. Sometimes 27" blows my socks off at night, it can be a bit overpowering, lol. Also multiple monitors are very flexible/handy. I've considerered a pair of 24".

[Trent]

I strongly looking at monitors and side-by-side comparisons. Find what you like and pay it. You will never regret a quality monitor or quality keyboard.

24" is my minimum monitor size. Sometimes 27" blows my socks off at night, it can be a bit overpowering, lol. Also multiple monitors are very flexible/handy. I've considerered a pair of 24".

I currently have a solid 22", but it is attached to my linux server (right of my .  I currently have a 32" TV plugged into my laptop, its got some books stacked and the bottom edge hits the top of my screen.  It is a bit overpowering although most of the time I just use it for media.

I'm taking a look at this currently, although I'm not entirely sure if I am going to have to deal with strange artifacts, dead pixels, or it just dying after one year of usage.  I had two of those Acer 22" displays, one of them died after 6 years of use, the other is still going strong.  Thinking about the size comparrison, I think 22" would do just fine, 27" may actually end up being overwhelming.

What does gh think of this?a
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=114&cp_id=11401&cs_id=1130704&p_id=10509&seq=1&format=2

[mkawa]

the most important thing is positioning, regardless of angle of view.

http://www.amazon.com/HP-BT861AT-Single-Monitor-Arm/dp/B00455GH58/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371603846&sr=8-1&keywords=hp+monitor+arm

^ this is an ergotron LX rebranded as an HP product. for reasons that will probably contribute to HP being acquired by oracle in the next 5 years, it costs 20 dollars less than an ergotron LX. nonetheless, it is identical, and fairly cheap.

[Input Nirvana]

the most important thing is positioning, regardless of angle of view.

http://www.amazon.com/HP-BT861AT-Single-Monitor-Arm/dp/B00455GH58/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371603846&sr=8-1&keywords=hp+monitor+arm

^ this is an ergotron LX rebranded as an HP product. for reasons that will probably contribute to HP being acquired by oracle in the next 5 years, it costs 20 dollars less than an ergotron LX. nonetheless, it is identical, and fairly cheap.

Positioning is huge.
1- It needs to be moved to you, not the other way around.
2- Need to be able to adjust and move around a bit easily.

For these reasons, an adjustable arm mounted monitor will allow you to maximize the monitors benefits (i.e.. slightly smaller monitor may suffice).

I don't currently have an arm setup, but I have in the past, and will again...it's outstanding. A very, very close second is if you are a very stationary person that has an almost static 'sweet spot', and your monitor/keyboard/chair/foot rest/peripheral area can be totally dialed in.

Regarding monitor quality. Back in the old days when there were not many quality monitors and they cost a fortune, every now and again someone would sell off a car or something of equal value to buy a top notch monitor. Honestly, no matter how much they screamed, whined, complained, couldn't really afford it...once they sat their happy ass in front of it....***NIRVANA***.... No complaints, issues, blah blah, blah. NEVER would hear a complaint ever again. Also, those people would NEVER buy a cheap monitor again either.

Compare monitors side-by-side. There is no substitute.

Personally I've been a 23-24" monitor guy for about 10 years. It's a great size for most things. Sometimes too small, sometimes too much (professional can vary greatly). I struggle with the idea of the 21.5" iMac...maybe just a touch too small. 27" too much for many things. 24-ish is a great sweet spot. I operated a 24" iMac and 28" monitor for 2 years. Very versatile. Mid-size---check. Large size---check. Dual monitor---check.

[Findecanor]

This is only relevant if you plan to share your monitor with a second onlooker..

No there are plenty of reasons why you would want to watch the monitor from a distance.

I do a bit of crafty stuff, such as sewing costumes for cosplay and building models and I have all reference pictures on the computer.

[tricheboars]

This is only relevant if you plan to share your monitor with a second onlooker..

No there are plenty of reasons why you would want to watch the monitor from a distance.

I do a bit of crafty stuff, such as sewing costumes for cosplay and building models and I have all reference pictures on the computer.

Or watching Star Trek while soldering. Or listening to Wu-Tang.

[daerid]

Why not get a 27" for $350 with the exact same panel as the $1,000 Apple Thunderbolt display?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/monoprice-monitor

[tp4tissue]

This is only relevant if you plan to share your monitor with a second onlooker..

No there are plenty of reasons why you would want to watch the monitor from a distance.

I do a bit of crafty stuff, such as sewing costumes for cosplay and building models and I have all reference pictures on the computer.

If you are watching from a distance SIDEWAYs.. then yea this may be a problem... But viewing angles matters LESS with distance, NOT MORE..


This problem is moot, because as long as you turn the monitor to FACE YOU, the problem is solved. 


If what you're doing requires moving back and forth in a large arc around the monitor.... I couldn't imagine you'd be paying much attention to it in this case.

[tp4tissue]

Why not get a 27" for $350 with the exact same panel as the $1,000 Apple Thunderbolt display?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/monoprice-monitor

it's not the exact same.. the backlighting, processing hardware, power supply are all different.

The only thing that's similar is the panel, that being one that didn't pass quality control...

Not against' it, but I do think it's a stretch to say they're the same as the $1000 panels...

[tgujay]

Why not get a 27" for $350 with the exact same panel as the $1,000 Apple Thunderbolt display?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/monoprice-monitor

it's not the exact same.. the backlighting, processing hardware, power supply are all different.

The only thing that's similar is the panel, that being one that didn't pass quality control...

Not against' it, but I do think it's a stretch to say they're the same as the $1000 panels...

The new monoprice ones are though.  Exact same A+ panels and the bezel even has the hole where the webcam would go.

[Melvang]

I am currently using an IPS panel of the Asus PA248Q.  Absolutley LOVE this monitor.  And yes you can see the difference between IPS and TN.  I have a TN panel mounted directly above my IPS panel angled in a way that I am looking at it dead on.  I can see a HUGE difference.  On the aspect of refresh rates that HAS to be something you see in person.  MaximumPC did a blind test with a bunch of different monitors at different refresh rates and the results were all over the place.

[tp4tissue]

Why not get a 27" for $350 with the exact same panel as the $1,000 Apple Thunderbolt display?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/monoprice-monitor

it's not the exact same.. the backlighting, processing hardware, power supply are all different.

The only thing that's similar is the panel, that being one that didn't pass quality control...

Not against' it, but I do think it's a stretch to say they're the same as the $1000 panels...

The new monoprice ones are though.  Exact same A+ panels and the bezel even has the hole where the webcam would go.

where did you hear this.. LOL

They are ALWAYS, A- panels, and they use cheaper backlighting + electronics/drive chips

And many people don't know this, and think they got a perfect panel.. but.......  there is such a thing as a Half broken pixel, more precisely a 1/3 broken, and 2/3 broken..
 
As each pixel has 3 sub pixels...   If only a sub pixel is broken, it may still look like a working pixel under many conditions... but that pixel will NEVER reproduce the signal sent to it.

[tp4tissue]

That said.. I don't recommend IPS to most people because they don't need it... and the difference they THINK they see is usually a difference in preset "contrast, brightness and saturation"  and has NOTHING to do with the panel being IPS/ TN


The thing that matters most in Picture quality is CONTRAST ratio..  Second is PIXEL response... All the other stuff are only needed if you have a SPECIFIC need for it for a JOB.. Things such as Color reproduction amount, and color accuracy..

In this regard, the best panel, most "worth it" panel for most consumers today is the 144hz TN panels...

It's an Actual feature that you'll use... not something that merely makes you THINK you're getting a better monitor.



And to everyone here who uses an IPS and think it's got great color, and you don't own a $500 color probe,  You're kidding yourselves...

[IPT]

personally for me i got an IPS panel because when im watching movies i lean back and recline in my chair
back with my old TN Panels, i would get the ghosting image on the top 20% of the monitor when I did it.

It was a combination of the panel and the stand, i had a Sammy Syncmaster 22" and the T240HD as my 2 "big purchase" monitors since my old 17" HP LCD days lol.

I went and got a Dell Ultrasharp 2407WFP and haven't looked back since.
Yes its a bit pricier, but the viewing angles + the good stand makes it worth the $$ to me.
Im currently using the U2711, lots of people hate on the antiglare coating but i think it looks fine.

If i was buying a monitor today and only needed 1920X1080 resolution, i'd get the Dell UltraSharp U2312HM.
Good price for a good value monitor.  Also call me a Dell fanboy on monitors, but their Ultrasharp Warranty support is superior to any other monitor manufacturer imo.

[tgujay]

Why not get a 27" for $350 with the exact same panel as the $1,000 Apple Thunderbolt display?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/monoprice-monitor

it's not the exact same.. the backlighting, processing hardware, power supply are all different.

The only thing that's similar is the panel, that being one that didn't pass quality control...

Not against' it, but I do think it's a stretch to say they're the same as the $1000 panels...

The new monoprice ones are though.  Exact same A+ panels and the bezel even has the hole where the webcam would go.

where did you hear this.. LOL

They are ALWAYS, A- panels, and they use cheaper backlighting + electronics/drive chips

And many people don't know this, and think they got a perfect panel.. but.......  there is such a thing as a Half broken pixel, more precisely a 1/3 broken, and 2/3 broken..
 
As each pixel has 3 sub pixels...   If only a sub pixel is broken, it may still look like a working pixel under many conditions... but that pixel will NEVER reproduce the signal sent to it.

You really are ignorant and an ass, but here https://www.massdrop.com/buy/monoprice-monitor

[IPT]

Why not get a 27" for $350 with the exact same panel as the $1,000 Apple Thunderbolt display?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/monoprice-monitor

it's not the exact same.. the backlighting, processing hardware, power supply are all different.

The only thing that's similar is the panel, that being one that didn't pass quality control...

Not against' it, but I do think it's a stretch to say they're the same as the $1000 panels...

The new monoprice ones are though.  Exact same A+ panels and the bezel even has the hole where the webcam would go.

where did you hear this.. LOL

They are ALWAYS, A- panels, and they use cheaper backlighting + electronics/drive chips

And many people don't know this, and think they got a perfect panel.. but.......  there is such a thing as a Half broken pixel, more precisely a 1/3 broken, and 2/3 broken..
 
As each pixel has 3 sub pixels...   If only a sub pixel is broken, it may still look like a working pixel under many conditions... but that pixel will NEVER reproduce the signal sent to it.

You really are ignorant and an ass, but here https://www.massdrop.com/buy/monoprice-monitor

can you copy/paste the description?  Im not interested in signing up for a site to view information.

[tgujay]

Why not get a 27" for $350 with the exact same panel as the $1,000 Apple Thunderbolt display?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/monoprice-monitor

it's not the exact same.. the backlighting, processing hardware, power supply are all different.

The only thing that's similar is the panel, that being one that didn't pass quality control...

Not against' it, but I do think it's a stretch to say they're the same as the $1000 panels...

The new monoprice ones are though.  Exact same A+ panels and the bezel even has the hole where the webcam would go.

where did you hear this.. LOL

They are ALWAYS, A- panels, and they use cheaper backlighting + electronics/drive chips

And many people don't know this, and think they got a perfect panel.. but.......  there is such a thing as a Half broken pixel, more precisely a 1/3 broken, and 2/3 broken..
 
As each pixel has 3 sub pixels...   If only a sub pixel is broken, it may still look like a working pixel under many conditions... but that pixel will NEVER reproduce the signal sent to it.

You really are ignorant and an ass, but here https://www.massdrop.com/buy/monoprice-monitor

can you copy/paste the description?  Im not interested in signing up for a site to view information.

High Resolution, High Performance
This 27” IPS monitor has a maximum resolution of 2560 x 1440 px over dual link DVI. It’s got zero dead pixels, 440 cd/m² maximum brightness, 6ms response time, 60Hz refresh rate, an A+ grade panel, pixel perfect guarantee, and a US based 1 year warranty. Featured on Massdrop at one third the price of high-end branded monitors with the same specs; what else do you need to know?
Panel Quality
There are a few different 2560x1440px monitors floating around the internet. Lots of folks claim to use the same panels as big name brands but really, the panels they’re using are of a lower grade. Apple only uses A+ panels while most of the folks online use A- panels, prone to false coloration and defects. This Monoprice 27” IPS uses the exact same A+ grade panels as Apple and HP. The front glass even has a small circular clear area where the webcam would go in a Cinema Display… how strange. It’s almost as though they come out of the same factory…

Pixel Perfect, For Reals Though
Most vendors on ebay list “pixel perfect” monitors, claiming of course that there are no defects in the panels. We bought one to see how accurate the QC was. We turned it on and immediately noticed a black pixel directly in the middle, dead by any account. We messaged the eBay vendor who told us their “Pixel Perfect” policy only counted stuck red or white pixels. Even if our monitor was covered, we would have had to pay for return shipping to Korea (about $70), and wait for it to be inspected and replaced. Monoprice is guaranteeing these monitors will have 0 dead, stuck, or defective pixels. If your monitor has any of those problems, contact Massdrop support and it’ll be taken care of immediately.

Specs
27" IPS monitor with LED backlighting
Dual Link DVI Input
109 pixels per inch
327 sub-pixels per inch in RGB format
440 cd/m² maximum brightness (400cd/m² typical)
6 millisecond typical gray-to-gray response time
80,000:1 maximum dynamic contrast ratio
16:9 aspect ratio
2560 x 1440 @ 60Hz maximum resolution
Glass laminate glossy panel with antiglare coating
Includes VGA input for backup purposes
Removable and angle adjustable metal-reinforced stand

[daerid]

And to everyone here who uses an IPS and think it's got great color, and you don't own a $500 color probe,  You're kidding yourselves...

Could give a **** what anybody else thinks, I put one of my Dell U3011's (IPS) side by side with one of my Asus VK278Q's (TN) and the color depth is instantly noticeable. The colors on the IPS panel are much richer and vibrant. If you can't tell the difference without specialized equipment... I don't know what to tell you.

[CPTBadAss]

Dell UltraSharp U2312HM

I just got one of these after checking it out at MicroCenter. Looked better than the ASUS IPS monitors they were carrying and the price wasn't bad. The colors are just amazing and there's a lot of adjustment options.

[IPT]

High Resolution, High Performance
This 27” IPS monitor has a maximum resolution of 2560 x 1440 px over dual link DVI. It’s got zero dead pixels, 440 cd/m² maximum brightness, 6ms response time, 60Hz refresh rate, an A+ grade panel, pixel perfect guarantee, and a US based 1 year warranty. Featured on Massdrop at one third the price of high-end branded monitors with the same specs; what else do you need to know?
Panel Quality
There are a few different 2560x1440px monitors floating around the internet. Lots of folks claim to use the same panels as big name brands but really, the panels they’re using are of a lower grade. Apple only uses A+ panels while most of the folks online use A- panels, prone to false coloration and defects. This Monoprice 27” IPS uses the exact same A+ grade panels as Apple and HP. The front glass even has a small circular clear area where the webcam would go in a Cinema Display… how strange. It’s almost as though they come out of the same factory…

Pixel Perfect, For Reals Though
Most vendors on ebay list “pixel perfect” monitors, claiming of course that there are no defects in the panels. We bought one to see how accurate the QC was. We turned it on and immediately noticed a black pixel directly in the middle, dead by any account. We messaged the eBay vendor who told us their “Pixel Perfect” policy only counted stuck red or white pixels. Even if our monitor was covered, we would have had to pay for return shipping to Korea (about $70), and wait for it to be inspected and replaced. Monoprice is guaranteeing these monitors will have 0 dead, stuck, or defective pixels. If your monitor has any of those problems, contact Massdrop support and it’ll be taken care of immediately.

Specs
27" IPS monitor with LED backlighting
Dual Link DVI Input
109 pixels per inch
327 sub-pixels per inch in RGB format
440 cd/m² maximum brightness (400cd/m² typical)
6 millisecond typical gray-to-gray response time
80,000:1 maximum dynamic contrast ratio
16:9 aspect ratio
2560 x 1440 @ 60Hz maximum resolution
Glass laminate glossy panel with antiglare coating
Includes VGA input for backup purposes
Removable and angle adjustable metal-reinforced stand

Thanks for the description, so this is this group buy website or whatever's description right?  Not the one that is posted on Monoprice that I went to
Anyway some User feedback on this monoprice monitor:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1730146

according to people at OCN, its the Nixeus NX-VUE27 monitor that AnandTech reviewed:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1383020/new-monoprice-27-2560x1440-no-image-defects/0_50
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6286/nixeus-27-inch-ips-monitor-for-the-masses

i'd personally stay away after all the reviews.

[tgujay]

High Resolution, High Performance
This 27” IPS monitor has a maximum resolution of 2560 x 1440 px over dual link DVI. It’s got zero dead pixels, 440 cd/m² maximum brightness, 6ms response time, 60Hz refresh rate, an A+ grade panel, pixel perfect guarantee, and a US based 1 year warranty. Featured on Massdrop at one third the price of high-end branded monitors with the same specs; what else do you need to know?
Panel Quality
There are a few different 2560x1440px monitors floating around the internet. Lots of folks claim to use the same panels as big name brands but really, the panels they’re using are of a lower grade. Apple only uses A+ panels while most of the folks online use A- panels, prone to false coloration and defects. This Monoprice 27” IPS uses the exact same A+ grade panels as Apple and HP. The front glass even has a small circular clear area where the webcam would go in a Cinema Display… how strange. It’s almost as though they come out of the same factory…

Pixel Perfect, For Reals Though
Most vendors on ebay list “pixel perfect” monitors, claiming of course that there are no defects in the panels. We bought one to see how accurate the QC was. We turned it on and immediately noticed a black pixel directly in the middle, dead by any account. We messaged the eBay vendor who told us their “Pixel Perfect” policy only counted stuck red or white pixels. Even if our monitor was covered, we would have had to pay for return shipping to Korea (about $70), and wait for it to be inspected and replaced. Monoprice is guaranteeing these monitors will have 0 dead, stuck, or defective pixels. If your monitor has any of those problems, contact Massdrop support and it’ll be taken care of immediately.

Specs
27" IPS monitor with LED backlighting
Dual Link DVI Input
109 pixels per inch
327 sub-pixels per inch in RGB format
440 cd/m² maximum brightness (400cd/m² typical)
6 millisecond typical gray-to-gray response time
80,000:1 maximum dynamic contrast ratio
16:9 aspect ratio
2560 x 1440 @ 60Hz maximum resolution
Glass laminate glossy panel with antiglare coating
Includes VGA input for backup purposes
Removable and angle adjustable metal-reinforced stand

Thanks for the description, so this is this group buy website or whatever's description right?  Not the one that is posted on Monoprice that I went to
Anyway some User feedback on this monoprice monitor:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1730146

according to people at OCN, its the Nixeus NX-VUE27 monitor that AnandTech reviewed:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1383020/new-monoprice-27-2560x1440-no-image-defects/0_50
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6286/nixeus-27-inch-ips-monitor-for-the-masses

i'd personally stay away after all the reviews.

The reviews you linked aren't for the Zero-G...

[IPT]

sorry
here's some from OCN that got their zero G monitors:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1393509/anyone-pre-ordering-monoprice-27-ips-zero-g-slim-monitor/0_50

I just find it improbable that it uses the exact same A+ LG Panel that the Apple Cinema Display uses.
If it was A+, there's no reason it would not leave the factory as an Apple Cinema Display.
Only reason it doesn't get put into an Apple/HP/Dell is because its not an A+ display, thus it gets passed on as a A- display.

[tp4tissue]

The got their facts wrong. It is not an A+ panel...

[daerid]

 )

[tgujay]

sorry
here's some from OCN that got their zero G monitors:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1393509/anyone-pre-ordering-monoprice-27-ips-zero-g-slim-monitor/0_50

I just find it improbable that it uses the exact same A+ LG Panel that the Apple Cinema Display uses.
If it was A+, there's no reason it would not leave the factory as an Apple Cinema Display.
Only reason it doesn't get put into an Apple/HP/Dell is because its not an A+ display, thus it gets passed on as a A- display.

With all the bad blood between companies and Apple I can't imagine LG would sell exclusively to Apple...

[IPT]

sorry
here's some from OCN that got their zero G monitors:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1393509/anyone-pre-ordering-monoprice-27-ips-zero-g-slim-monitor/0_50

I just find it improbable that it uses the exact same A+ LG Panel that the Apple Cinema Display uses.
If it was A+, there's no reason it would not leave the factory as an Apple Cinema Display.
Only reason it doesn't get put into an Apple/HP/Dell is because its not an A+ display, thus it gets passed on as a A- display.

With all the bad blood between companies and Apple I can't imagine LG would sell exclusively to Apple...

they dont
these LCD panels are used for Dell Ultrasharps and HP's high res monitors as well.

[JPG]

There is one that seems nice on massdrop.com from monoprice. 350$ + shipping, seems nice deal.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/monoprice-monitor

[tp4tissue]

 asdf

If you haven't seen

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45002.0

[Sniping]

asdf

If you haven't seen

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45002.0

I'm still pretty convinced that the Qnix is a great monitor. Against a calibrated IPS monitor I really can't tell the difference, here's another Menacing Tuba video

But against the 144Hz TN panel that costs $13 less than a Qnix looks noticeably worse than the IPS monitor (Crossover)

[Grim Fandango]

One thing I absolutely hate when buying a monitor is that the specs are usually absolute bullcrap, and you practically have to see them in real life to judge whether they are any good or not.

Specs are usually inflated in some stupid way. Like a monitor that says it has 1.000.000.000:1 "dynamic contrast" on the box, then you turn it on and play a movie only to find out the actual contrast sucks. The other specs are just as bad. Take response time for example. You would think lower is better, but there are problems. Some monitors say they have a 2ms response time, but what it does not say is that they use something they like to call "overdrive technology", which is sometimes implemented well, but usually causes as many visual problems as it solves. Often the actual response time has little to do with what it says on the box. I have had a Philips monitor with "2ms" response time, with ghosting like you would not believe.

Then there is the whole IPS, LED, and all kind of characteristics or types of technology a monitor uses. Well, good luck predicting actual performance on these characteristics. I think almost any general sweeping statement about the performance of (for example) IPS vs TN panels is almost never entirely true for all monitors. Even if you can make broad generalizations that may hold up very often (TN better response time, IPS better viewing angles). Then it also matters what kind of IPS (or TN for that matter) you get. There is e-IPS and s-IPS and their quality differs at different price points etc. Don't even start with color accuracy.

What I am trying to say is do not put too much stock into the spec sheet, and if you are going to spend a lot of money on a monitor, try to see it in person, read some decent reviews from people who know what they are talking about, or make sure the shop you buy it from has an easy return policy. I would probably buy two online that I feel good about, compare and return one.

[Sniping]

Keep in mind that those 2ms numbers you see also aren't really real-world representations of response time, like it says right next to the number, it's Gray to Gray, which means that number doesn't mean much.

[Grim Fandango]

Keep in mind that those 2ms numbers you see also aren't really real-world representations of response time, like it says right next to the number, it's Gray to Gray, which means that number doesn't mean much.

Yeah that is another thing that is annoying. It used to be black-white-black instead of grey to grey, but of course they adapted to a different standard to put a smaller number on the box. Though at least they now all use the same standard. I wonder whether relative performance of monitors is the same when measuring grey to grey as they are when measuring a full change from black to white.