Is this a right choise?

[juanlola]

Hello, I'm going to buy my first mechanical keyboard, and for now my first choise is g710+. I preffer the brown switch, it's a beatiful keyboard and has macros keys. But I dont really care about the leds... Is there another good brown switch keyboard with macros and without leds?

Thanks

[jameslr]

If you don't care about the LEDs then why not just get the G710? If macro keys are your thing and you need browns - that sort of limits your options. The only other mech keyboard I know of that uses dedicated macro keys with browns is the CM Storm Trigger. It has backlights as well, but is significantly cheaper if that's your primary concern. You can always just turn the backlight off

[nubbinator]

I've heard too many QC issues with the G710+ to recommend it.

[rowdy]

Welcome to Geekhack!

If you really need the extra macro keys, then it is as good a place to start as any.

If you want to customise the keycaps later on, something with a slightly more standard layout would be better.  If you want backlighting, maybe consider Ducky Shine 3.  Without, maybe Filco or QFR.

[mapple]

if you don't mind about build quality go with blackwidow ultimate leds+macros, but as said build quality ain't that good;)

[berserkfan]

Seriously, why are people always trashing Razer's build quality? They're far 'better' than the pcb mounted Cherry G80s I own, and I'm quite happy with Cherry.

If you need seriously good build quality, go for Model Fs then. Same price, twice the weight. Lots of steel there to satisfy 'build quality conscious' people.

if you don't mind about build quality go with blackwidow ultimate leds+macros, but as said build quality ain't that good;)

[BlueBär]

Seriously, why are people always trashing Razer's build quality? They're far 'better' than the pcb mounted Cherry G80s I own, and I'm quite happy with Cherry.

Google has a lot of stories, one of my favourites:

Hate to say it, but its one of the worst purchases I have ever made. Its cheap, very cheap. The gloss body is just stupid and the build quality is creaky....not to mention Im on my 3rd or 4th one already due to broken switches out of the box.

[jabar]

Seriously, why are people always trashing Razer's build quality? They're far 'better' than the pcb mounted Cherry G80s I own, and I'm quite happy with Cherry.

If you need seriously good build quality, go for Model Fs then. Same price, twice the weight. Lots of steel there to satisfy 'build quality conscious' people.

Every post a G80 gripe. Sounds like you just don't like PCB mounted switches.

[berserkfan]

" I'm quite happy with Cherry. "

Does that sound like a gripe?

I'm just aware their 'build quality' is bad by most people's standards. If I use Cherry keyboards, obviously it doesn't bother me. PCB switches are great because I get to mess around with them without desoldering.



If you need seriously good build quality, go for Model Fs then. Same price, twice the weight. Lots of steel there to satisfy 'build quality conscious' people.[/quote]
Every post a G80 gripe. Sounds like you just don't like PCB mounted switches.
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[Quardah]

I have a good friend who bought a G710+, two days later it went on sale on NCIX and they were giving the mouse with it, he asked for it they said no, he afterwards asked Logitech for it and they sent it to him.

Logitech are good guys.

Although Logitech isn't the best mecho. keyboards manufacturer i know, they tend to do durable stuff (Especially mices, incredible build quality) and have an honorable customer support. The G710+ isn't very expensive for a mecho, and it doesn't look too bad to me (compare to AZIO Mech4/Mech5 or any corsair mechanical). I guess you'll have what you pay for but don't expect it to be incredible.

Macro keys are useless trust me. They really are meant to sell the keyboard. I've had multiple keyboards with macro keys and they really are worthless. Software are lacking efficiency, they'll erase your macro for no reason or they'll simply **** up for some reason. If it's not board base (like the Poker II, all macros are saved on board memory), it's worthless. You'll plug yourself on another computer and you'll be macroless.

If you are really going for this board for the macro keys you are going to buy it for the wrong reasons.

Also, Brown are kinda not meant for gaming, and that's a little ironic to put them on a gaming keyboard... ._.?

[CPTBadAss]

Also, Brown are kinda not meant for gaming, and that's a little ironic to put them on a gaming keyboard... ._.?

You can use any switch to game. It's just personal preference. There's no switch was built to be "optimized for gaming".

[BlueBär]

You can use any switch to game. It's just personal preference. There's no switch was built to be "optimized for gaming".

Can we write this somewhere on the forum in a very big font, possibly in bright red?

[CPTBadAss]

You can use any switch to game. It's just personal preference. There's no switch was built to be "optimized for gaming".

Can we write this somewhere on the forum in a very big font, possibly in bright red?

I have it in the Simple Questions Simple Answers thread. But it's kind of hidden. I can always add it.

[Quardah]

You can use any switch to game. It's just personal preference. There's no switch was built to be "optimized for gaming".

Can we write this somewhere on the forum in a very big font, possibly in bright red?

I have it in the Simple Questions Simple Answers thread. But it's kind of hidden. I can always add it.

I understand that personal preference always comes first, but for a newcomer who never used a mecho before, i think it could be interesting to tell them what switches are known for. It ain't no secret for nobody that Blacks are mostly known as the "Gaming" basic switch type, while Browns are TOTALLY THE BEST mostly meant for the tactile feedback, therefore typing.

It's just my opinion, you must accept it has undeniable truth do whatever you want with it.

[BlueBär]

It ain't no secret for nobody that Blacks are mostly known as the "Gaming" basic switch type, while Browns are mostly meant for the tactile feedback, therefore typing.

Browns tactile feedback is barely noticeable when gaming because you usually bottom out. I never heard of anybody having issues with Browns for gaming apart from this one guy recently who thought they were too heavy.

[Quardah]

It ain't no secret for nobody that Blacks are mostly known as the "Gaming" basic switch type, while Browns are mostly meant for the tactile feedback, therefore typing.

Browns tactile feedback is barely noticeable when gaming because you usually bottom out. I never heard of anybody having issues with Browns for gaming apart from this one guy recently who thought they were too heavy.

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[CPTBadAss]

It ain't no secret for nobody that Blacks are mostly known as the "Gaming" basic switch type, while Browns are mostly meant for the tactile feedback, therefore typing.

Um, I missed this memo. Just because CM and Razer and whomever else tells me that doesn't make the marketing true. FPS players prefer linear switches because they say it makes double tapping easier. What if I play SC2 or Civ5 where I don't really have to double tap? Generalizations are silly. Don't buy the hype.

[Quardah]

It ain't no secret for nobody that Blacks are mostly known as the "Gaming" basic switch type, while Browns are mostly meant for the tactile feedback, therefore typing.

Um, I missed this memo. Just because CM and Razer and whomever else tells me that doesn't make the marketing true. FPS players prefer linear switches because they say it makes double tapping easier. What if I play SC2 or Civ5 where I don't really have to double tap? Generalizations are silly. Don't buy the hype.

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[CPTBadAss]

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[Quardah]

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[juanlola]

Thanks everybody for the answers. The g710+ is a good product but is a bit expensive (now $149.99), and I guess that is for the backlight, but as I don't care about that I was looking for another cheapest option, with QUALITY and brown switches

[Quardah]

Thanks everybody for the answers. The g710+ is a good product but is a bit expensive (now $149.99), and I guess that is for the backlight, but as I don't care about that I was looking for another cheapest option, with QUALITY and brown switches

Check on NCIX you might get the free mouse sooner or later if they still have it in stock.

Just so you know.

[juanlola]

Thanks everybody for the answers. The g710+ is a good product but is a bit expensive (now $149.99), and I guess that is for the backlight, but as I don't care about that I was looking for another cheapest option, with QUALITY and brown switches

Check on NCIX you might get the free mouse sooner or later if they still have it in stock.

Just so you know.

I alredy have a good mouse, and it's $169.99 

[Quardah]

Thanks everybody for the answers. The g710+ is a good product but is a bit expensive (now $149.99), and I guess that is for the backlight, but as I don't care about that I was looking for another cheapest option, with QUALITY and brown switches

Check on NCIX you might get the free mouse sooner or later if they still have it in stock.

Just so you know.

I alredy have a good mouse, and it's $169.99 

That's a ripoff really. For less than this price get a Poker II keyboard. It's a never look back.

[tbc]

a poker ii is like the total opposite of the g710+.....

like seriously....in what usecases are those two swappable?

ps,  you can't say macros are useless and then say that the p2 macros are the best thing evar

[Quardah]

a poker ii is like the total opposite of the g710+.....

like seriously....in what usecases are those two swappable?

ps,  you can't say macros are useless and then say that the p2 macros are the best thing evar

Hum yeah it's most probably the opposite with the same switch type available right. But hey, he wants to try brown and says 170$ is too much, i'm just offering him an 100$ option which is pretty decent quality i'd say.

And you obivously didn't read why Macros are useless on G710+ versus Poker II. Or maybe you read but you didn't get it.

I'll re-explain just for you bro, no worriez : One is software base, the other one is hardware base.

That means just like my old Corsair K90, using software macros, once you setup macros on a machine, it'll work only with that machine. But if it's on board memory just like the PokerII, you get your macros on any machine you use your keyboard with. That being said, you have to determine if you are a stationnary user or not. I, for instance, is not. I work with Multiple computers everyday, therefore using logging macros or programming macros helps me perform better at my job.

One last thing; i owned a K90, with 18 macro keys. I'd say, it's pretty useless. What are you going to use the macros for really? Spam in-game chat? Auto-Buy in CS? I mean, if you get macro keys for gaming, you defenetly don't need macro keys.

[lucifurburch]

Im new here but thought I'd put in my 2c....in my opinion keyboards like the corsairs blackwidows and Logitech should be avoided because the build quality of there cases is lacking and the soldering on the boards arn't always the best, they also seem to have an above average failure rate this being said they are much better then rubber domes. if you just want macro's so you can swap keys around and to add media keys... not for more complex setups then a custom controller might be your best bet and to that end i would recommend that you consider buying a second hand board (from some one here at geek hack) that either comes with an after market controller or at least one that can take one you should be able to get something like this for under $100.  i can tell you as some one that owns three blackwidows a wasd and a corsair k 90 these keyboards are gimmicky and cheaply made (if i only knew better at the time) plus they cost a lot more then a good second hand board (that feels better in the first place).

[juanlola]

Im new here but thought I'd put in my 2c....in my opinion keyboards like the corsairs blackwidows and Logitech should be avoided because the build quality of there cases is lacking and the soldering on the boards arn't always the best, they also seem to have an above average failure rate this being said they are much better then rubber domes. if you just want macro's so you can swap keys around and to add media keys... not for more complex setups then a custom controller might be your best bet and to that end i would recommend that you consider buying a second hand board (from some one here at geek hack# that either comes with an after market controller or at least one that can take one you should be able to get something like this for under $100.  i can tell you as some one that owns three blackwidows a wasd and a corsair k 90 these keyboards are gimmicky and cheaply made #if i only knew better at the time# plus they cost a lot more then a good second hand board #that feels better in the first place).

and what model do you think is a GOOD second hand board? I'm not neccesary wanna a Logitech, I wanna a GOOD Brown switch Keyboard

[Quardah]

and what model do you think is a GOOD second hand board? I'm not neccesary wanna a Logitech, I wanna a GOOD Brown switch Keyboard

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/search.php?switch_id=2&size=ALL&keyword=&in_stock=on

On Mechanicalkeyboards.com you can search by switch model. Most of these keyboards are good quality, but be aware this selection doesn't cover the entire selection of brown mx keyboards.

Hope that'll help you!

[jonathanyu]

Im new here but thought I'd put in my 2c....in my opinion keyboards like the corsairs blackwidows and Logitech should be avoided because the build quality of there cases is lacking and the soldering on the boards arn't always the best, they also seem to have an above average failure rate this being said they are much better then rubber domes. if you just want macro's so you can swap keys around and to add media keys... not for more complex setups then a custom controller might be your best bet and to that end i would recommend that you consider buying a second hand board (from some one here at geek hack# that either comes with an after market controller or at least one that can take one you should be able to get something like this for under $100.  i can tell you as some one that owns three blackwidows a wasd and a corsair k 90 these keyboards are gimmicky and cheaply made #if i only knew better at the time# plus they cost a lot more then a good second hand board #that feels better in the first place).

and what model do you think is a GOOD second hand board? I'm not neccesary wanna a Logitech, I wanna a GOOD Brown switch Keyboard

If you want a really good brown switch, filco is a good choice. but it doesn't have a marco key.
Since you want marco keys, i  would recommend you get a cm storm trigger or g710.
If you want to use other keycaps, cm storm trigger will be better because the keycaps in bottom row are much more easy to find than g710.
If the original keycaps are okay for you, g710 is a good choice

[RabRhee]

After using macro keyboards for the last 8 years (and one over 20 years ago) I was loathe to lose the functionality of my G15 to go mech. But these days, macro features have improved so much that you can get a macro mouse, or a macro numpad / game pad and get much the same functionality. I scrapped the G15 and bought a G13 second hand, because I used the quickmacro button every day. I also have a Razer Naga for if I want more permanent macros, but its a pain to quick record on.

If you want macro functionality with mech switches you can always rebind one or more of the keyboards less useful keys , and if you just want macros for non gaming without the mech switch, a gamepad and a good basic mech board will probably cost you about the same as a 710 or similar, but will allow you to choose whatever keyboard you like from the whole gamut. If you want a 60% board next week, you won't lose your macro keys.

[juanlola]

Ok, I think I don't really need the macros keys. I have a mouse with a lot of macros and I use only 3... So, What specific model can i search? Again: I need a brown switch, without leds (optional), VERY GOOD QUALITY and beatiful keyboard.

It's important the quality because I'm going to travel with this keyboard to another country for a long time, so I couldn't ask for a change if there is a problem.

[uJalled]

Beauty is totally subjective. A Filco tenkeyless with blank keycaps is a rainbow to my eyes. But after reading your posts, I get the sense that you like backlighting, and given the knowledge that you were about to spring for the G710+, I assume you like flashy stuff. You are definitely not a minimalist, like a lot of people on this forum. So I'd recommend a Ducky Shine 3. It's a beautiful keyboard for people who like backlighting and fancy features like that, it's build quality has nothing on Filco is decent, and Ducky is a reputable manufacturer of mechanical keyboards.

Or you can take a look at the WASD V2 keyboard.

[CPTBadAss]

If you're going to travel, maybe get something smaller like a Poker 2 or a Filco TKL? Easier to handle.

[oTurtlez]

If you wanna go small and not skimp on quality, FC660M. I can only speak of the quality of the 660C, which could derive from Topre being up Leos *** about QC, but if the M's are anything like the C, they're extremely well built.

[juanlola]

Beauty is totally subjective. A Filco tenkeyless with blank keycaps is a rainbow to my eyes. But after reading your posts, I get the sense that you like backlighting, and given the knowledge that you were about to spring for the G710+, I assume you like flashy stuff. You are definitely not a minimalist, like a lot of people on this forum. So I'd recommend a Ducky Shine 3. It's a beautiful keyboard for people who like backlighting and fancy features like that, it's build quality has nothing on Filco is decent, and Ducky is a reputable manufacturer of mechanical keyboards.

Or you can take a look at the WASD V2 keyboard.

You know where i can found the Ducky Shine 3?

If you're going to travel, maybe get something smaller like a Poker 2 or a Filco TKL? Easier to handle.

I forgot to say that I'm going to travel for a long time, so I wanna a big/normal keyboard

[Glod]

g710 is a good choice

it is NEVER a good choice, ever, ever.

[nubbinator]

g710 is a good choice

it is NEVER a good choice, ever, ever.

We need to have you interject on OCN.  There are a bunch of people saying that it's the best choice over there right now.

[Glod]

I'm sure they do

[uJalled]

Beauty is totally subjective. A Filco tenkeyless with blank keycaps is a rainbow to my eyes. But after reading your posts, I get the sense that you like backlighting, and given the knowledge that you were about to spring for the G710+, I assume you like flashy stuff. You are definitely not a minimalist, like a lot of people on this forum. So I'd recommend a Ducky Shine 3. It's a beautiful keyboard for people who like backlighting and fancy features like that, it's build quality has nothing on Filco is decent, and Ducky is a reputable manufacturer of mechanical keyboards.

Or you can take a look at the WASD V2 keyboard.

You know where i can found the Ducky Shine 3?

If you're going to travel, maybe get something smaller like a Poker 2 or a Filco TKL? Easier to handle.

I forgot to say that I'm going to travel for a long time, so I wanna a big/normal keyboard

If you're in the USA, you can find them at mechanicalkeyboards.com. If you're in Australia, try Pccasegear.com

[Thimplum]

You can use any switch to game. It's just personal preference. There's no switch was built to be "optimized for gaming".

Can we write this somewhere on the forum in a very big font, possibly in bright red?

++++++

[juanlola]

Beauty is totally subjective. A Filco tenkeyless with blank keycaps is a rainbow to my eyes. But after reading your posts, I get the sense that you like backlighting, and given the knowledge that you were about to spring for the G710+, I assume you like flashy stuff. You are definitely not a minimalist, like a lot of people on this forum. So I'd recommend a Ducky Shine 3. It's a beautiful keyboard for people who like backlighting and fancy features like that, it's build quality has nothing on Filco is decent, and Ducky is a reputable manufacturer of mechanical keyboards.

Or you can take a look at the WASD V2 keyboard.

You know where i can found the Ducky Shine 3?

If you're going to travel, maybe get something smaller like a Poker 2 or a Filco TKL? Easier to handle.

I forgot to say that I'm going to travel for a long time, so I wanna a big/normal keyboard

If you're in the USA, you can find them at mechanicalkeyboards.com. If you're in Australia, try Pccasegear.com

Thanks!

[tp4tissue]

Well, basically it comes down to this.

You didn't buy an ergodox --->  FAIL...

don't worry though..


This mistake is easily corrected by ---> Buy an Ergodox ---> WIN

[uJalled]

Well, basically it comes down to this.

You didn't buy an ergodox --->  FAIL...

don't worry though..


This mistake is easily corrected by ---> Buy an Ergodox ---> WIN

You should write "Ergodox Enthusiast" as your signature

[daerid]

I think "Enthusiast" is a bit too mild for TP. I consider myself an ErgoDox enthusiast, but TP takes it to a whole new level.

[uJalled]

I think "Enthusiast" is a bit too mild for TP. I consider myself an ErgoDox enthusiast, but TP takes it to a whole new level.

Ergodox Zealot

[Thimplum]

I think "Enthusiast" is a bit too mild for TP. I consider myself an ErgoDox enthusiast, but TP takes it to a whole new level.

Ergodox Zealot

I was thinking the same thing.

[rowdy]

Ergodoxmaniac?

How about starting a poll to change tp4's username?

[BlueByLiquid]

It ain't no secret for nobody that Blacks are mostly known as the "Gaming" basic switch type, while Browns are mostly meant for the tactile feedback, therefore typing.

Browns tactile feedback is barely noticeable when gaming because you usually bottom out. I never heard of anybody having issues with Browns for gaming apart from this one guy recently who thought they were too heavy.

I actually have issues with browns while FPS gaming in games where you have to hold down the "w" key all the time like Borderlands 2. It makes my hand hurt. I think they are fine other wise. I have started to use blues which I thought had slightly more resistance to bottom out but they certainly don't make my hand hurt to hold them down.

[kmiller8]

Any MX choice is the wrong choice, so get whatever looks best to you.