Author Topic: Topre capacitive BUT with CHERRY STEMS (Read 16156 times)

redskull · « **on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 22:34:51 »

anyone seen this yet? oh my...

http://www.pcwaishe.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=524282&extra=page%3D1%26filter%3Dauthor%26orderby%3Ddateline

ComradeSniper · « **Reply #1 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 22:37:19 »

I really hope this becomes a widespread thing. I'd love to put MX sets on my Topre boards.

keymaster · « **Reply #2 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 22:38:43 »

I can just imagine all those people "swearing" by MX jumping ship and buying these in droves to put their MX sets on.

Dubsgalore · « **Reply #3 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 22:40:50 »

What's up with all these new bootleg stems??

)

This one is actually really cool, maybe Kangaroo or Vesper should hit these up, and come back from the dark side

Cafeine · « **Reply #4 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 22:41:57 »

Wow, google translate have a hard time but it seems you are right. 35g force... mmmmm

redskull · « **Reply #5 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 22:45:47 »

man, if the build quality is reliable, this is something i believe can go everywhere. but the 35g, ain't that a bit too light?

jonathanyu · « **Reply #6 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:04:29 »

maybe one day there will be a adapter for mx keycaps and topre keycaps

rowdy · « **Reply #7 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:06:33 »

An interesting hybrid, which would certainly go some way towards ameliorating the deplorable lack of custom Topre keycaps.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #8 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:17:43 »

I've long come to realize that the the MOST IMPORTANT THING to keyboards is ERGONOMICS....... NOT switches....

ComradeSniper · « **Reply #9 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:21:08 »

Quote from: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:17:43

I've long come to realize that the the MOST IMPORTANT THING to keyboards is ERGONOMICS....... NOT switches....

As soon as a topre ergodox comes out i'll buy it

keymaster · « **Reply #10 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:21:15 »

Quote from: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:17:43

I've long come to realize that the the MOST IMPORTANT THING to keyboards is ERGONOMICS....... NOT switches....

It's a good thing I do the whole home-row hand placement. As a result, my hands have naturally found the most ergonomic hand placement. I've never experienced fatigue or pain due to keyboard use.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #11 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:26:06 »

Quote from: keymaster on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:21:15

Quote from: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:17:43
I've long come to realize that the the MOST IMPORTANT THING to keyboards is ERGONOMICS....... NOT switches....

It's a good thing I do the whole home-row hand placement. As a result, my hands have naturally found the most ergonomic hand placement. I've never experienced fatigue or pain due to keyboard use.

but what of the wrist/ shoulder and elbows...

eth0s · « **Reply #12 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:26:36 »

This seems like such an obvious mod, I can't believe nobody thought of it before now, including me. The Topre switch should be able to take any kind of stem.

35g is extremely light in Topre. 35g Topre switch has almost no tactile bump at all. If you like that, and you like Cherry double-shot keycaps, I guess this keyboard would be your ultimate keyboard.

redskull · « **Reply #13 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:46:17 »

Quote from: eth0s on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:26:36

This seems like such an obvious mod, I can't believe nobody thought of it before now, including me. The Topre switch should be able to take any kind of stem.

35g is extremely light in Topre. 35g Topre switch has almost no tactile bump at all. If you like that, and you like Cherry double-shot keycaps, I guess this keyboard would be your ultimate keyboard.

if they come out with something heavier, i might give them a try. i don't think that they would be too expensive originally coming from the China market.

Sniping · « **Reply #14 on:** Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:50:33 »

Why is the cup rubber pink someone pls explain

tp4tissue · « **Reply #15 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:01:58 »

Quote from: Sniping on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:50:33

Why is the cup rubber pink someone pls explain

OK, just a guess.. But it could be that it's the same silicone rubber supplier that supplies MANY different end products... And the factory in question mostly supplies makers of adult male masturbatory aids... and so.. their product is primarily Pink, and that's their cheapest most abundant supply..

So.. the keyboard people goes and asks the supplier for cheap material, and they're like.. whateves,, it's going under the keyboard anyway.. I don't care if it's pink...

And there you have it...

MKULTRA · « **Reply #16 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:14:38 »

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:01:58

Quote from: Sniping on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:50:33
Why is the cup rubber pink someone pls explain

OK, just a guess.. But it could be that it's the same silicone rubber supplier that supplies MANY different end products... And the factory in question mostly supplies makers of adult male masturbatory aids... and so.. their product is primarily Pink, and that's their cheapest most abundant supply..

So.. the keyboard people goes and asks the supplier for cheap material, and they're like.. whateves,, it's going under the keyboard anyway.. I don't care if it's pink...

And there you have it...

) Clever

MKULTRA · « **Reply #17 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:19:32 »

On a more serious note, what is stopping us from 3d printing a MX version (similar to OP) of this thing

Michael · « **Reply #18 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:22:47 »

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:01:58

makers of adult male masturbatory aids...

I think this is a subject we can all agree, that tp4 is the foremost expert on.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #19 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:27:38 »

Quote from: Bro Caps on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:22:47

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:01:58
makers of adult male masturbatory aids...

I think this is a subject we can all agree, that tp4 is the foremost expert on.

I don't own one... and I wouldn't deny owning one if I did... I don't find it at all shameful... It's a HUGE business over in Japan with very-little input cost... The US market is also adopting quickly...

Linkbane · « **Reply #20 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:34:23 »

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:01:58

Quote from: Sniping on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:50:33
Why is the cup rubber pink someone pls explain

OK, just a guess.. But it could be that it's the same silicone rubber supplier that supplies MANY different end products... And the factory in question mostly supplies makers of adult male masturbatory aids... and so.. their product is primarily Pink, and that's their cheapest most abundant supply..

So.. the keyboard people goes and asks the supplier for cheap material, and they're like.. whateves,, it's going under the keyboard anyway.. I don't care if it's pink...

And there you have it...

CN

Linkbane · « **Reply #21 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:34:45 »

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:01:58

Quote from: Sniping on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:50:33
Why is the cup rubber pink someone pls explain

OK, just a guess.. But it could be that it's the same silicone rubber supplier that supplies MANY different end products... And the factory in question mostly supplies makers of adult male masturbatory aids... and so.. their product is primarily Pink, and that's their cheapest most abundant supply..

So.. the keyboard people goes and asks the supplier for cheap material, and they're like.. whateves,, it's going under the keyboard anyway.. I don't care if it's pink...

And there you have it...

Can't tell if I should say 'what is this I don't even' or laugh hard.
Probably a bit of both.

Michael · « **Reply #22 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:36:28 »

In all seriousness, though... this is a great idea. As long as the caps can depress without any interference. It would be a lot of work replacing all the stems in a Realforce, just because of the massive amount of labor involved.

But if you get to use all of your MX cap sets, I would say it just might be worth it.

redskull · « **Reply #23 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:55:10 »

Quote from: Bro Caps on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:36:28

In all seriousness, though... this is a great idea. As long as the caps can depress without any interference. It would be a lot of work replacing all the stems in a Realforce, just because of the massive amount of labor involved.

But if you get to use all of your MX cap sets, I would say it just might be worth it.

yeah. and also the plastic quality of the stem itself. wouldn't want them to be easily broken like some on those immitation cherry stems.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #24 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:58:32 »

Quote from: Linkbane on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:34:45

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:01:58
Quote from: Sniping on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:50:33
Why is the cup rubber pink someone pls explain

OK, just a guess.. But it could be that it's the same silicone rubber supplier that supplies MANY different end products... And the factory in question mostly supplies makers of adult male masturbatory aids... and so.. their product is primarily Pink, and that's their cheapest most abundant supply..

So.. the keyboard people goes and asks the supplier for cheap material, and they're like.. whateves,, it's going under the keyboard anyway.. I don't care if it's pink...

And there you have it...

Can't tell if I should say 'what is this I don't even' or laugh hard.
Probably a bit of both.

Guys seriously Where Else have you seen "pink" silicone rubber material...

meiosis · « **Reply #25 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 01:02:36 »

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:58:32

Quote from: Linkbane on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:34:45
Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:01:58
Quote from: Sniping on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:50:33
Why is the cup rubber pink someone pls explain

OK, just a guess.. But it could be that it's the same silicone rubber supplier that supplies MANY different end products... And the factory in question mostly supplies makers of adult male masturbatory aids... and so.. their product is primarily Pink, and that's their cheapest most abundant supply..

So.. the keyboard people goes and asks the supplier for cheap material, and they're like.. whateves,, it's going under the keyboard anyway.. I don't care if it's pink...

And there you have it...

Can't tell if I should say 'what is this I don't even' or laugh hard.
Probably a bit of both.

Guys seriously Where Else have you seen "pink" silicone rubber material...
Show Image

Erasers.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #26 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 01:35:06 »

Quote from: Meiosis on Fri, 25 October 2013, 01:02:36

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:58:32
Quote from: Linkbane on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:34:45
Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:01:58
Quote from: Sniping on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:50:33
Why is the cup rubber pink someone pls explain

OK, just a guess.. But it could be that it's the same silicone rubber supplier that supplies MANY different end products... And the factory in question mostly supplies makers of adult male masturbatory aids... and so.. their product is primarily Pink, and that's their cheapest most abundant supply..

So.. the keyboard people goes and asks the supplier for cheap material, and they're like.. whateves,, it's going under the keyboard anyway.. I don't care if it's pink...

And there you have it...

Can't tell if I should say 'what is this I don't even' or laugh hard.
Probably a bit of both.

Guys seriously Where Else have you seen "pink" silicone rubber material...
Show Image

Erasers.

hmmmm...

i haven't seen the silicone erasers in pink..

i've only seen the white silicone kind.

I'm also pretty sure that it may not even be silicone rubber, it's probably vinyl

Moosecraft · « **Reply #27 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 01:42:20 »

If someone 3d prints these I will buy them

DamnDan · « **Reply #28 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 02:15:12 »

FoxWolf1 · « **Reply #29 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 02:55:45 »

Oh, a new version of the Noppoo capacitive switch?

The last batch of these that they did was with foil-and-foam rather than a spring, and never achieved much by way of popularity. Those were priced similarly to the MX versions, so these have some potential for a good value, assuming they do a good job on the switch itself.

Even with a spring, feel may differ from Topre switches if there are differences in the domes (which seems likely).

Findecanor · « **Reply #30 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 03:08:44 »

I see several potential problems with these custom stems:
* Topre stems are made with high tolerances + lube. The high quality of the stems is part of the Topre's appeal.
* Topre keycaps are textured PBT. The high quality of the keycaps is part of Topre's appeal.
* The stems of wide Topre keys have stabilisers on the bottom, inside the key switch. These sizes would also have to be replicated for a full keyboard. It does not do to just replicate the stems for 1u keys.

Oobly · « **Reply #31 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 03:30:30 »

Quote from: Findecanor on Fri, 25 October 2013, 03:08:44

I see several potential problems with these custom stems:
* Topre stems are made with high tolerances + lube. The high quality of the stems is part of the Topre's appeal.
* Topre keycaps are textured PBT. The high quality of the keycaps is part of Topre's appeal.
* The stems of wide Topre keys have stabilisers on the bottom, inside the key switch. These sizes would also have to be replicated for a full keyboard. It does not do to just replicate the stems for 1u keys.

If we could get hold of just a few of these stems it would be nice for some. Can put a few novelty or nice custom MX keycaps on just a couple of keys. That said, I'm not a Topre fan... yet.

Still in my "OMFGZ! Dese MX browns and ergoclears are da totalshizzlewizzle compared to my old rubber dome bordzz" stage.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #32 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 04:43:50 »

Quote from: Findecanor on Fri, 25 October 2013, 03:08:44

I see several potential problems with these custom stems:
* Topre stems are made with high tolerances + lube. The high quality of the stems is part of the Topre's appeal.
* Topre keycaps are textured PBT. The high quality of the keycaps is part of Topre's appeal.
* The stems of wide Topre keys have stabilisers on the bottom, inside the key switch. These sizes would also have to be replicated for a full keyboard. It does not do to just replicate the stems for 1u keys.

^^^ This is insane fanboism....

We're in 2013... anyone with the exception of iONE can make a quality plastic keyboard given the right price.

And I guarantee you that price is LESS than what those Topre jerks charge their n00b kiss-ass fanbois...

terran5992 · « **Reply #33 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 04:47:41 »

Hmmmm, really cool idea. Finally nice keycaps available for topre boards

PointyFox · « **Reply #34 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 04:50:12 »

Can't wait until Cherry stems achieve complete oneness with the cup rubber.

002 · « **Reply #35 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 05:00:15 »

I wonder if this has anything to do with China assembling boards (Leopold FC600C & Type HEAVEN) for Topre these days?

terran5992 · « **Reply #36 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 05:00:37 »

Quote from: 002 on Fri, 25 October 2013, 05:00:15

I wonder if this has anything to do with China assembling boards (Leopold FC600C & Type HEAVEN) for Topre these days?

Theres no doubt

Findecanor · « **Reply #37 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 08:03:38 »

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 04:43:50

^^^ This is insane fanboism....

Are you accusing me of being a Topre fanboy? ... You don't know me very well.

Linkbane · « **Reply #38 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 08:17:20 »

Quote from: Findecanor on Fri, 25 October 2013, 08:03:38

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 04:43:50
^^^ This is insane fanboism....
Are you accusing me of being a Topre fanboy? ... You don't know me very well.

He doesn't need to know you well to judge you by how you act, and it did seem pretty fanboyish.

Danule · « **Reply #39 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 08:33:00 »

i wonder if the keycap will be as secure on the stem as the original topre version. The lack of wiggle is one of the pluses of topre.

esoomenona · « **Reply #40 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 08:43:28 »

Lack of wiggle? I'm wiggling my HHKB caps right now, and they're definitely wiggling.

Danule · « **Reply #41 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 08:49:18 »

Quote from: esoomenona on Fri, 25 October 2013, 08:43:28

Lack of wiggle? I'm wiggling my HHKB caps right now, and they're definitely wiggling.

compared to cherry.

keymaster · « **Reply #42 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 08:51:48 »

The only switch I've noticed significant wiggle was with ALPS. The amount of wiggle Cherry and Topre stems don't negatively affect my experience. Still, the wiggle with ALPS switches isn't really bothersome unless you're being nitpicky.

frvrngn · « **Reply #43 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 09:28:44 »

I think this is a great idea. I love my new Topre board but wouldnt mind using some of the keycaps from my other boards on it to "liven" it up a bit!

daerid · « **Reply #44 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 09:45:18 »

I just want to see a self contained cherry-pinout compatible Topre switch. Is that too much to ask?

frvrngn · « **Reply #45 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 09:57:14 »

Quote from: daerid on Fri, 25 October 2013, 09:45:18

I just want to see a self contained cherry-pinout compatible Topre switch. Is that too much to ask?

Want to make a Topre Ergodox?? That would be quite nice!

daerid · « **Reply #46 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 10:01:21 »

Quote from: frvrngn on Fri, 25 October 2013, 09:57:14

Want to make a Topre Ergodox?? That would be quite nice!

Yup. It is my dream board. Clears are great, but they're no Topre.

MKULTRA · « **Reply #47 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 12:29:56 »

Quote from: Findecanor on Fri, 25 October 2013, 03:08:44

I see several potential problems with these custom stems:
* Topre stems are made with high tolerances + lube. The high quality of the stems is part of the Topre's appeal.
* Topre keycaps are textured PBT. The high quality of the keycaps is part of Topre's appeal.
* The stems of wide Topre keys have stabilisers on the bottom, inside the key switch. These sizes would also have to be replicated for a full keyboard. It does not do to just replicate the stems for 1u keys.

1. You can lube Cherry stems, and they are about the same "quality"
2. You have a much wider variety of keycaps and keycaps of equal or greater "quality" with cherry style stems
3. So replicate them...?

dorkvader · « **Reply #48 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 13:36:10 »

Quote from: Findecanor on Fri, 25 October 2013, 03:08:44

* Topre keycaps are textured PBT. The high quality of the keycaps is part of Topre's appeal.

Spacebar.

I should think that adding compatibility for cherry spacebars should be a priority, as PBT spacebars are easy to come by.

Also, those domes don't look as high quality as a realforce.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #49 on:** Fri, 25 October 2013, 13:38:06 »

Quote from: dorkvader on Fri, 25 October 2013, 13:36:10

Quote from: Findecanor on Fri, 25 October 2013, 03:08:44
* Topre keycaps are textured PBT. The high quality of the keycaps is part of Topre's appeal.
Spacebar.

I should think that adding compatibility for cherry spacebars should be a priority, as PBT spacebars are easy to come by.

Also, those domes don't look as high quality as a realforce.

If they are readily replaceable for low cost... They may not need to be (as high quality)

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Author Topic: Topre capacitive BUT with CHERRY STEMS (Read 16156 times)