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Offline Langdon

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Keyboard spill :(
« on: Thu, 31 October 2013, 22:53:30 »
Yes I know I'm stupid, don't give me the lecture.
Yesterday night I accidentally spilled beer on my keyboard. I immediately unplugged it and turned the keyboard upside down after quickly wiping it down. I left it over night and the next morning, some switches were sticky and not clicking correctly. I put a bit of water on all switches that were not working correctly and clicked them a bit. All of them now have a tiny click but not the same loud distinct MX blue click anymore.
I have not plugged it in yet. I have it upside down in some rice right now.
I'm really not sure what to do and this is really stressing me out. What should I do about the switches that aren't working correctly? :(
No drinks around my keyboard anymore...

It was the Ducky Shine 3 MX Blue with white backlight

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 31 October 2013, 23:49:36 »
There are quite a few threads about this.

Generally the only way to be 100% sure is to replace the switch, which means opening the keyboard, desoldering the old switch and soldering a new one.

You can try squirting rubbing alcohol into the switches and then flush with pure water (not tap water, which contains too many impurities).

You might get some of the click back.
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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 31 October 2013, 23:51:10 »
get a can of of isopropanol or PPE contact cleaner at your local shop. hopefully that will get you sorted.
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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 31 October 2013, 23:55:36 »
Sounds like it is now both wet and coated in sugar.  You'll need to use a solvent to dissolve the sugars like isopropanol, and then to thoroughly dry it by use of heat, air flow, etc.

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 00:10:09 »
OKOK, first rule... Remain Calm

Completely Cleaning the switches without opening it is impossible, it is also impractical because of how long you have to wait for things to dry without opening the switch.

No you can't blow dry this thing without either getting lots of dust in it or worse warping the plastic.

Method 1:

If you make lots of mega-monies.. just buy a new keyboard...

Method 2:

If you make 0 dollars..   ONLY Attempt if you really make 0 dollars.. 

Disadvantages:

Repair-Time and Parts-Shipping-Time are SIGNIFICANT
There's no point in saving money here because it's a hassle..
For a complete novice, this is a 3-4 hours endeavor..

If it's a "hobby" learning experience for you.. sure.. continue

#1_____buy soldering equipment.. the Iron, the de-soldering pump, and solder..

#2_____buy the replacement parts.. Mx switches from WASDkeyboard or MechanicalKeyboard.com..

#3_____watch the youtube keyboard soldering guide.. then replace the affected keys.





Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 01:56:15 »
Yes I know I'm stupid, don't give me the lecture.
Yesterday night I accidentally spilled beer on my keyboard. I immediately unplugged it and turned the keyboard upside down after quickly wiping it down. I left it over night and the next morning, some switches were sticky and not clicking correctly. I put a bit of water on all switches that were not working correctly and clicked them a bit. All of them now have a tiny click but not the same loud distinct MX blue click anymore.
I have not plugged it in yet. I have it upside down in some rice right now.
I'm really not sure what to do and this is really stressing me out. What should I do about the switches that aren't working correctly? :(
No drinks around my keyboard anymore...

It was the Ducky Shine 3 MX Blue with white backlight

Reminds me of the time one of my exs poured an entire glass of red wine on my keyboard... ok sorry not helping. ;)

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 02:28:13 »
Yes I know I'm stupid, don't give me the lecture.
Yesterday night I accidentally spilled beer on my keyboard. I immediately unplugged it and turned the keyboard upside down after quickly wiping it down. I left it over night and the next morning, some switches were sticky and not clicking correctly. I put a bit of water on all switches that were not working correctly and clicked them a bit. All of them now have a tiny click but not the same loud distinct MX blue click anymore.
I have not plugged it in yet. I have it upside down in some rice right now.
I'm really not sure what to do and this is really stressing me out. What should I do about the switches that aren't working correctly? :(
No drinks around my keyboard anymore...

It was the Ducky Shine 3 MX Blue with white backlight

Reminds me of the time one of my exs poured an entire glass of red wine on my keyboard... ok sorry not helping. ;)

what did you do to deserve that kinda h8-titude

Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 02:53:18 »
Not giving her enough attention. :)

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 04:47:48 »
Not giving her enough attention. :)

Ouch!

No wonder she is an ex!
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 10:12:45 »
@KolonelKadat @PointyFox @Rowdy I have some Isopropanol 99%, how do I use it to clean the switch?
If I don't replace the switch and leave it for 2 years, will it still work? I don't want to solder until I have a replacement mech. I tend to mess up on things a lot.
Where can I get pure water? And how do I dry it?

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 12:15:06 »
just squirt the alcohol in on and around the keyboard try to get it down to the bare board. you mostly want to displace any secret water so the board doesnt start corroding under/in the keys.

the isoprop will evaporate in a few minutes.

 i still prefer the spray. it dislodges better and evaporates quicker

dont put water. distilled or otherwise. its never gonna evaporate fully.
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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 21:54:17 »
Alright, I've cleaned it up as much as I could. Still not clicking properly but I guess I can live with it. :(
Another problem, my space bar is now squeaky. What should I do? Seems to be coming from the stabilizer.
« Last Edit: Fri, 01 November 2013, 21:56:26 by Langdon »

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 22:13:38 »
Not giving her enough attention. :)

Ouch!

No wonder she is an ex!

Why Ouch... Now he has more time for keyboards... time better spent...

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 22:14:27 »
Alright, I've cleaned it up as much as I could. Still not clicking properly but I guess I can live with it. :(
Another problem, my space bar is now squeaky. What should I do? Seems to be coming from the stabilizer.

dude.. why live with it... you can fix it......


What are you afraid of ?

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 22:18:41 »
Alright, I've cleaned it up as much as I could. Still not clicking properly but I guess I can live with it. :(
Another problem, my space bar is now squeaky. What should I do? Seems to be coming from the stabilizer.

dude.. why live with it... you can fix it......
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What are you afraid of ?

Soldering is a very scary option to me. I'm afraid of messing up.
If I mess up with soldering, the keyboard is gone. If I live with it now, at least I can still use it. :P If I have a replacement mech, maybe I'll try soldering.

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 22:30:30 »
Alright, I've cleaned it up as much as I could. Still not clicking properly but I guess I can live with it. :(
Another problem, my space bar is now squeaky. What should I do? Seems to be coming from the stabilizer.

dude.. why live with it... you can fix it......
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What are you afraid of ?

Soldering is a very scary option to me. I'm afraid of messing up.
If I mess up with soldering, the keyboard is gone. If I live with it now, at least I can still use it. :P If I have a replacement mech, maybe I'll try soldering.

I C...

Let me assure you.. the soldering is easy...  it's only slightly more complicated than a hot glue gun..

The board is NOT going to get Insta-killed..  You are soldering VERY LARGE components....

I'll even walk you through it over skype if you need be..

But, I'm telling you it's dead simple..

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 22:35:39 »
Alright, I've cleaned it up as much as I could. Still not clicking properly but I guess I can live with it. :(
Another problem, my space bar is now squeaky. What should I do? Seems to be coming from the stabilizer.

dude.. why live with it... you can fix it......
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What are you afraid of ?

Soldering is a very scary option to me. I'm afraid of messing up.
If I mess up with soldering, the keyboard is gone. If I live with it now, at least I can still use it. :P If I have a replacement mech, maybe I'll try soldering.

I C...

Let me assure you.. the soldering is easy...  it's only slightly more complicated than a hot glue gun..

The board is NOT going to get Insta-killed..  You are soldering VERY LARGE components....

I'll even walk you through it over skype if you need be..

But, I'm telling you it's dead simple..
Hot glue guns scare me as well. I'm not a very hands-on person lol.
I can always try but that will be my very last resort. Is the soldering process the same with backlit keyboards? Or do I have to unsolder those as well?

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 22:46:55 »
Alright, I've cleaned it up as much as I could. Still not clicking properly but I guess I can live with it. :(
Another problem, my space bar is now squeaky. What should I do? Seems to be coming from the stabilizer.

dude.. why live with it... you can fix it......
Show Image



What are you afraid of ?

Soldering is a very scary option to me. I'm afraid of messing up.
If I mess up with soldering, the keyboard is gone. If I live with it now, at least I can still use it. :P If I have a replacement mech, maybe I'll try soldering.

I C...

Let me assure you.. the soldering is easy...  it's only slightly more complicated than a hot glue gun..

The board is NOT going to get Insta-killed..  You are soldering VERY LARGE components....

I'll even walk you through it over skype if you need be..

But, I'm telling you it's dead simple..
Hot glue guns scare me as well. I'm not a very hands-on person lol.
I can always try but that will be my very last resort. Is the soldering process the same with backlit keyboards? Or do I have to unsolder those as well?

you have to unsolder the led which is at the same place as the switch.. but it's a through hole component, so again.. VERY EASY...

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 23:02:12 »
Is there someone I can send my keyboard to to get it fixed? I'm hoping that the repair fee will be lower than me going out and buying soldering equipment and such.
Hopefully in Canada as well.
« Last Edit: Fri, 01 November 2013, 23:04:50 by Langdon »

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 23:07:39 »
Is there someone I can send my keyboard to to get it fixed? I'm hoping that the repair fee will be lower than me going out and buying soldering equipment and such.
Hopefully in Canada as well.

You don't have any geek friends nearby? the kind with Engineering fathers..  probably asian...

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 23:09:40 »
Is there someone I can send my keyboard to to get it fixed? I'm hoping that the repair fee will be lower than me going out and buying soldering equipment and such.
Hopefully in Canada as well.

You don't have any geek friends nearby? the kind with Engineering fathers..  probably asian...
Nope, none of my friends are competent with things like this. I could ask my own dad but he lives a while away and he'll probably be pissed as hell to hear about this. :P

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 23:11:53 »
Is there someone I can send my keyboard to to get it fixed? I'm hoping that the repair fee will be lower than me going out and buying soldering equipment and such.
Hopefully in Canada as well.

You don't have any geek friends nearby? the kind with Engineering fathers..  probably asian...
Nope, none of my friends are competent with things like this. I could ask my own dad but he lives a while away and he'll probably be pissed as hell to hear about this. :P

what? LOL, why would he be pissed..  he's ur dad.. he's suppose to fix things..

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 23:30:07 »
TS: have you tried lube?


my 2 cents on soldering as it applies to the TS
Its a 150 dollar board. maybe more depending on where you go.
Without a proper desoldering iron, desoldering through hole components is an unbelievable pain in the ass.
then theres the cost....
entry level soldering iron- 80-120 bucks,
a dozen or so switches - 20 bucks,
solder, solder wick, flux, - 20 bucks.

...or another couple of dollars and just buy a new keyboard.

I have very little faith in the abilities of TS. When he screws up and lifts a pad, thats it man. game over. throw it away and buy a new keyboard.


 
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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 01 November 2013, 23:36:23 »
Is there someone I can send my keyboard to to get it fixed? I'm hoping that the repair fee will be lower than me going out and buying soldering equipment and such.
Hopefully in Canada as well.

You don't have any geek friends nearby? the kind with Engineering fathers..  probably asian...
Nope, none of my friends are competent with things like this. I could ask my own dad but he lives a while away and he'll probably be pissed as hell to hear about this. :P

what? LOL, why would he be pissed..  he's ur dad.. he's suppose to fix things..
When it's a $150 keyboard ruined by a stupid mistake, he's obviously going to be very pissed. I don't know about your father but my parents are very strict. He'd fix it but only after cursing for a couple of hours. :P
@KolonelKadat : That may have to happen. :( I'm really hoping I don't have to buy another keyboard, I'm definitely not buying over $100 worth of soldering tools.
« Last Edit: Fri, 01 November 2013, 23:38:01 by Langdon »

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 02 November 2013, 00:32:17 »
Maybe a $150 keyboard is not the place to learn soldering techniques :p

If you are seriously considering replacing a switch, can you get hold of a "learn to solder" or electronics kit from your local store?  I learned to solder on that kind of thing, where you get a bag with a bunch of components and a few small circuit boards and make a few simple electronic devices - timers, noise generators etc.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #25 on: Sat, 02 November 2013, 01:21:00 »
Maybe a $150 keyboard is not the place to learn soldering techniques :p

If you are seriously considering replacing a switch, can you get hold of a "learn to solder" or electronics kit from your local store?  I learned to solder on that kind of thing, where you get a bag with a bunch of components and a few small circuit boards and make a few simple electronic devices - timers, noise generators etc.

It's the perfect place to learn...... it's very hard to break a keyboard with soldering... and an 150 board would have a better PCB that's even less likely to burn up, if the traces are soldered for too long by n00bing..

Quick fire rapid is honestly the worst place to start learning.. because the traces are super thin.. and the lacquer will actually peel if it's soldered to for too long.

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #26 on: Sat, 02 November 2013, 02:13:33 »
It's the perfect place to learn...... it's very hard to break a keyboard with soldering... and an 150 board would have a better PCB that's even less likely to burn up, if the traces are soldered for too long by n00bing..

You'd be surprised. I've repaired some pretty atrociously built Korean boards.

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #27 on: Sat, 02 November 2013, 04:10:47 »
It's the perfect place to learn...... it's very hard to break a keyboard with soldering... and an 150 board would have a better PCB that's even less likely to burn up, if the traces are soldered for too long by n00bing..

You'd be surprised. I've repaired some pretty atrociously built Korean boards.

just cuz it's korean, doesn't mean it uses a quality pcb.

even if they attempted to "order" a quality pcb.. there's no guarantee they'll actually get one..  Tons of corner cutting on this stuff these days.

but for $150.. as far as we know.. something like the filco.. pretty good PCB

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Re: Keyboard spill :(
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 00:20:00 »
I don't like to use rubbing alcohol, not because it's ethyl alcohol but because it's usually 30% - 50% watere, and all that water can corrode parts and slows evaporation.  It's easy to by isopropyl alcohol that's at least 90% pure.

Before thinking of unsoldering any switch, clean it out by spraying or pouring alcohol into the switch, then
press and release the key several times while it's upside down.  You may want to do this over white paper to better see if any crud drips out.  Repeat all this a few times.

Don't try soldering your keyboard until you first practice on some junked circuit boards.  Boards with copper on just one side are easier to solder than double-sided boards with plated-through holes, and boards with at least 3-4 layers are even worse.   Desoldering is even worse for multilayer boards.  The safest way to desolder a key switch is by using a special solder called Chip Quik, which melts at a very low temperature.   It's about $1 an inch, and you have to buy at least 12" - 18".  The next best way to desolder is probably with 63% tin, 37% lead solder (60%  tin, 40% lead is OK, too).  Add some to each joint, then remove it with a solder sucker or copper desoldering braid.  Brush-on rosin flux can help the braid work much better. If at first you don't succeed, add solder again and repeat the whole process, rather than try only the solder sucker or braid again.  You'll do less heat damage with a soldering iron rated for too much power than too little, and for single-layer boards you probably want 35W - 40W, for double layer 40W - 50W, and for more than 2 layers, probably 50W - 60W.  You must clean the soldering tip frequently during use or it won't conduct heat well at all.  Also 50W - 60W can do damage if the soldering iron isn't temperature regulated.  When installing key switches, be sure they mount completely flush against the circuit board or the solder joints will crack from stress.