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Looking at the Alt & Ctrl on the right-hand side of my keyboard and just realized that I don't think I've ever even pressed them down. Similar to Scroll Lock. hah

When is the last time you used your right-handed side Alt & Ctrl and what was it for?  :eek:

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When eating food. When I don't have access to a hand and need to do something like ctrl+l (I have no idea what ctrl l does)

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Actually, same, when i'm one handed on my phone or eating or drinking (etc.), i'll have to fn+spacebar one handed (to get off arrow cluster mode) and then use right shift, right alt and right ctrl with whatever i wnat one handed. it's funny too...whenever I have to do that, I always think "oh wow i'm actually using my right shift...."

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Looking at the Alt & Ctrl on the right-hand side of my keyboard and just realized that I don't think I've ever even pressed them down. Similar to Scroll Lock. hah

When is the last time you used your right-handed side Alt & Ctrl and what was it for?  :eek:

All the time on my Pure but only because I have them permanently in arrow mode. Otherwise they only really get used when I'm on my Filco and I want to do Windows + Shift + Left/Right.

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Can't remember the last time, pretty sure I have never used my right ctrl at all xD
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Never. I'd create a PCB without such keys on the right side if I were more technically inclined.

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hehe, I never use those keys.  That's why I always put my Fn keys over there.

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Right Alt is the key to switch between English and Hangul, Right Ctrl when mapping location hotkeys (Ctrl + F5) in StarCraft

Seems like I'm the only one who uses them every day for practical reasons.
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 21:50:32 »
Freakin'.. I don't.... I don't think, like, ever. I don't think I've ever in my natural life used them both together before.

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 21:53:53 »
Every day - Ctrl-Home and Ctrl-End to do beginning/end of file.

R-Alt to get Alt sequences for most of the letters on the right side of the keyboard, typically IKMOLP.

R-Ctrl or R-Alt + Enter to insert hard line break (in Word, I can never remember which it is).  Similar for Excel.

Ctrl-left and right arrows for word by word navigation.

Also R-Ctrl + Enter to send email in Thunderbird.
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:00:16 »
Every day - Ctrl-Home and Ctrl-End to do beginning/end of file.

R-Alt to get Alt sequences for most of the letters on the right side of the keyboard, typically IKMOLP.

R-Ctrl or R-Alt + Enter to insert hard line break (in Word, I can never remember which it is).  Similar for Excel.

Ctrl-left and right arrows for word by word navigation.

Actually that's one  thing that drives me nuts on my Pure, I always try and do Shift + Enter to do a line break on Facebook and it winds up sending the message. So annoying.
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:07:32 »
I don't have a right Ctrl. HHKB master race.

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:09:44 »
Every day - Ctrl-Home and Ctrl-End to do beginning/end of file.

R-Alt to get Alt sequences for most of the letters on the right side of the keyboard, typically IKMOLP.

R-Ctrl or R-Alt + Enter to insert hard line break (in Word, I can never remember which it is).  Similar for Excel.

Ctrl-left and right arrows for word by word navigation.

Also R-Ctrl + Enter to send email in Thunderbird.

Some good shortcuts in there but doesn't Home and End also take you to the bottom and top of a doc?

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:10:14 »
A couple seconds ago, on my laptop, when I was opening new tabs by Control/clicking.
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:12:25 »
Every day - Ctrl-Home and Ctrl-End to do beginning/end of file.

R-Alt to get Alt sequences for most of the letters on the right side of the keyboard, typically IKMOLP.

R-Ctrl or R-Alt + Enter to insert hard line break (in Word, I can never remember which it is).  Similar for Excel.

Ctrl-left and right arrows for word by word navigation.

Also R-Ctrl + Enter to send email in Thunderbird.

Some good shortcuts in there but doesn't Home and End also take you to the bottom and top of a doc?


Nope, Home and End by themselves is just start/end of the current line.

Also Ctrl-PgUp and Ctrl-PgDown to change tabs in Excel and some editors (that do not use Ctrl-Tab).
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:14:01 »
oh maybe I'm thinking about in a web browser then, good to know.

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:20:50 »
All the time. Ctrl: Ins, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn, arrows, Enter. And of course Ctrl-Alt-Del. Right Alt becomes AltGr for the US International keyboard layout, need it to get to some chars like ©, ®, µ, €,  etc. :P
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:29:25 »
All the time. Ctrl: Ins, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn, arrows, Enter. And of course Ctrl-Alt-Del. Right Alt becomes AltGr for the US International keyboard layout, need it to get to some chars like ©, ®, µ, €,  etc. :P

Yea, now that I think about it, I think I've done a few right handed Ctrl-Alt-Del's, hah.

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:39:06 »
about a day or 2 ago was the last time I used them. My key layout moves things like cut/copy/paste to the right side of the board, but I recently got aboard with macro keys so most of the modifier combos got put onto those.

Now only alt+enter and ctrl/alt+printscrn/insert/pagup-down/etc are still on the right and I rarely need those.
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:42:15 »
Oh crappy! That's right!! Alt+Enter for fullscreen! See, I use it more than I know it.

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:46:06 »
I use them every day when i play starcraft2. I use the right side of the keyboard so i can use my thumb for the mods(alt, ctrl, and shift) and my other four fingers for everything else.

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:50:14 »
I also use them everyday. Ctrl+P, Ctrl+O, Ctrl+U, Ctrl+N, Alt+Numpad for passwords for important accounts.

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 23:05:43 »
I use right alt for the compose key. No right control on the HHKB but when I did have one I hardly used it.

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 23:32:04 »
NEVER...   My right modifiers were the first keys to be replaced when I adopted my custom layout "when " I was still using the staggered qwerty boards...


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A couple seconds ago, on my laptop, when I was opening new tabs by Control/clicking.
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 00:24:37 »
Yea only when I'm eating or on the phone or something

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 00:32:58 »
Using Right Ctrl for Ctrl+L is extremely useful for me when browsing. I miss it when I use my HHKB.

Right Alt is probably more important for non-North American folks for AltGr. For me on the other hand, I re-program (or when I can't, registry re-map) it to Caps Lock, and have Caps Lock be Left Ctrl.

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 00:56:18 »
Pretty much never, but I keep planning on doing something useful with them eventually...
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 01:59:02 »
mainly on my laptop.

i remap right alt to ctrl.
press right 'alt' + l to focus on browser address bar

usually have something greasy in my left hand.  Only do this for casual web browsing, when doing real work, never at all.
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 01:59:17 »
Every day at work. On Finnish / Swedish boards you use right Alt (AltGr) for all these chars: {} [] \ ~ $ | which are quite common in coding.

I only have one Ctrl and one Alt key on my home keyboard (right hand thumb keys) ;)
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 05:13:46 »
All the time,  I press Ctrl-Alt-L whenever I leave my computer to lock it.  I almost always use the ones on the right.
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 08:56:17 »
The day that I got a new keyboard, just check for the key. And never use it again

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 09:02:30 »
My right alt is my windows key, so I use it all the time. Other than that, I would never use either of them.

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« Reply #35 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 09:07:37 »
Only if my left hand is busy doing... whatever it might be doing.
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 09:10:30 »
I honestly don't know that I pay that much attention. I'll try to think about it and see if I use them.

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 10:13:13 »
When I do have a right Ctrl, I use it. Ctrl+T, Ctrl+Shift+T, Ctrl+K, Ctrl+L. It does kind of suck to have to use two hands all the time. Maybe I should remap right Alt to Ctrl. I never use that thing.

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 11:05:02 »
Don't have Alt Gr on my US keyboard, never even learned how to use it.

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« Reply #40 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 12:16:10 »
I am with rowdy, I use them daily, many times a day for the same reasons.  I think it would feel weird to not use them one day which is one reason I am hesitating buying a HHKB!
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A couple seconds ago, on my laptop, when I was opening new tabs by Control/clicking.
Try Middle-clicking :))

I do on my desktop.

My Laptop is one of those HPs with the ****ty "multitouch" trackpads that doesn't detect a right-click half the time, and I don't feel like carrying around a mouse.

I also use it to change tabs, both on my laptop and my desktop.
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 20:35:56 »
Everyday at work when I need to arrow key around on my poker.  Never as actual Ctr,Alt, etc.
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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 05 November 2013, 02:02:41 »
right alt: thirty seconds ago.
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 05 November 2013, 04:59:13 »
In ISO layouts, right Alt is not the same as left Alt but Alt Graph which is used for symbols. When I write programs, I use it all the time to get brackets, braces, backslash and vertical bar.
The last time I used it when programming was mere seconds ago.

I use right Ctrl sometimes with the cursor (arrow) keys. In that case, I press right Ctrl with my thumb!
I think that I use left Ctrl for this purpose just as often, and I think that I could retrain to not use right Ctrl at all.

In a lot of editors (including the one in Chromium right now):
Ctrl-left/right: word left/right
Ctrl-home/end: beginning or end of document

Some programming editors use Ctrl-up/down or Ctrl-PgUp/PgDn to jump between functions.
Others map Ctrl-PgUp/PgDn to Home/End for use with e.g. compact keyboards that don't have those keys.
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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 06 November 2013, 06:48:40 »
Right Alt ~ AltGr... I use that all the time when typing in Czech.

I've been using right Control since I started to experience Emacs pinkies.

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 04:15:55 »
We were running unit tests in Eclipse today, Ctrl-F11 using the right Ctrl.  All three of us were doing it the same.
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Offline TacticalCoder

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 11:25:47 »
When is the last time you used your right-handed side Alt & Ctrl and what was it for?

I don't even have a CTRL key on the right side of my keyboard (HHKB Pro 2)  :o

But I use "right alt" (by "right alt" I mean: "the key directly at the right of the space bar") as an additional modifier.  And that additional modifier is only used for shortcuts related to my window manager ("Awesome WM", a tiling window manager which I use on Linux).  So it's nice because the window manager shortcuts never clash with any app...


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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 14:32:21 »
when my alt and ctrl keys went out on my QFR
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Offline Kouni

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Re: When is the last time you used Alt & Ctrl on the right side of your keyboard?
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 14:48:26 »
Yesterday I actually noticed I was using my right ctrl for ctrl+p. I use right alt (alt gr) for the € sign. I think that's about it.