topre smoothness?

[tbc]

So I finally got my topre RF and it's not what I expected at all.  I think I realized why though:

when people say topre is smooth, I've been interpreting is as high quality, as in, not scratchy like browns can be.  Have people actually meant that it's actually smooth like a cherry red?

[dustinhxc]

So I finally got my topre RF and it's not what I expected at all.  I think I realized why though:

when people say topre is smooth, I've been interpreting is as high quality, as in, not scratchy like browns can be.  Have people actually meant that it's actually smooth like a cherry red?

What weight is yours? variable 30 + or 45 or 55? Ive got the hhkb pro 2 45 stock weight and it is smooth but it definitely has a kick to it not like cherry red. Cherry red is fast, quick, snappy. 45 Topre is a little slower but the release up is snappy. They are totally different. I love the feel of my topre though!

[rowdy]

I interpret smooth as "not rough".  Each keypress is silky smooth, with just a little resistance at the beginning of the keystroke, and silky smoothness all the way to the bottom.

This is based on HHKB Pro 2.

I also think it is high quality - well made, uniform throughout, light but stable on the desk, sturdy construction, PBT keycaps (except space).

[dustinhxc]

I interpret smooth as "not rough".  Each keypress is silky smooth, with just a little resistance at the beginning of the keystroke, and silky smoothness all the way to the bottom.

This is based on HHKB Pro 2.

I also think it is high quality - well made, uniform throughout, light but stable on the desk, sturdy construction, PBT keycaps (except space).

Yeah the PBT is a plus and it is made so well in and out. Just took mine completely apart and back together. Every piece is amazing craftsmanship. Love this keyboard!

[TheSoulhunter]

Reds are light and linear, but smooth?
When thinking of smooth vs non-smooth travel it's more like the difference between gliding with ya fingernails on a polished surface vs a sandblasted or brushed one if that makes sense.

[terran5992]

topre is like a smooth switch with a bump

[tp4tissue]

It really depends on HOW smooth you're looking for..

Topre is only smoother relative to MX shaft when struck AT HARSH angles..

if you strike both key at centered angles.. neither is smoother than the other..


At very steep strike angles, the topre will be somewhat smoother due to the thicker round shaft..

But if you're looking for smooth as in metal-piston-smooth... that is not achievable on plastics because plastic will deform more readily with ambient temperature changes..

[Linkbane]

It really depends on HOW smooth you're looking for..

Topre is only smoother relative to MX shaft when struck AT HARSH angles..

if you strike both key at centered angles.. neither is smoother than the other..


At very steep strike angles, the topre will be somewhat smoother due to the thicker round shaft..

But if you're looking for smooth as in metal-piston-smooth... that is not achievable on plastics because plastic will deform more readily with ambient temperature changes..

Hall effect?

[tbc]

using ergo 87u.

reds feel pretty damn smooth to me. 

every alpha key using the correct finger feels smooth with the exception of a VERY small tactile bump on the middle/index keys.  the bump is less than even that of a brown; so technically, I could just be hallucinating.

NOTE:  this stock case is balls to the wall amazing; i didn't realize plastic could feel so sturdy.

[Elrick]

NOTE:  this stock case is balls to the wall amazing; i didn't realize plastic could feel so sturdy.

Japanese buddy.....  so get use to it  .  I can't understand why there's Aluminum cases being made for these babies, when really - you will never need it.

[terran5992]

using ergo 87u.

reds feel pretty damn smooth to me. 

every alpha key using the correct finger feels smooth with the exception of a VERY small tactile bump on the middle/index keys.  the bump is less than even that of a brown; so technically, I could just be hallucinating.

NOTE:  this stock case is balls to the wall amazing; i didn't realize plastic could feel so sturdy.

Ergo?

[tbc]

sorry.  wrong term?

i mean 'non-uniform'  where they have 30g keys for your pinkies (eg q a z)

EDIT:

ah, my bad.  meant variable.

[Valis]

The tactile bump is very near the top of the key travel, and after the bump the key is very light, especially on the variable (which I'm using, too). I wouldn't describe the switch as smooth; the tactility is smooth compared to mechanical switches, though, which IMO makes the experience pleasant on the light switch. I don't know why, but the thing I most like with this keyboard is scrolling with the arrows, just hovering there around the bump and not bottoming out.

[tuxsavvy]

So I finally got my topre RF and it's not what I expected at all.  I think I realized why though:

when people say topre is smooth, I've been interpreting is as high quality, as in, not scratchy like browns can be.  Have people actually meant that it's actually smooth like a cherry red?

When you say "not scratchy" I can only recall a thread of where someone that has compared a Topre board against Cherry MX board. The feeling of jumping on trampoline vs I guess jumping on a corrugated iron with spring on the bottom is probably best described the differences between the two.

Of course to me having only played with Topre board I can only sense that it is smooth yet firm. It is really hard for me to describe but I am sure some people have also pointed out that MXs tend to wobble. Topre feels much sturdy.

[tp4tissue]

So I finally got my topre RF and it's not what I expected at all.  I think I realized why though:

when people say topre is smooth, I've been interpreting is as high quality, as in, not scratchy like browns can be.  Have people actually meant that it's actually smooth like a cherry red?

When you say "not scratchy" I can only recall a thread of where someone that has compared a Topre board against Cherry MX board. The feeling of jumping on trampoline vs I guess jumping on a corrugated iron with spring on the bottom is probably best described the differences between the two.

Of course to me having only played with Topre board I can only sense that it is smooth yet firm. It is really hard for me to describe but I am sure some people have also pointed out that MXs tend to wobble. Topre feels much sturdy.

wobble is GOOD in general. this means there's less of a chance for friction because the stem can detach from the switch shaft..

Sturdiness in a switch and sturdiness in the plate and landing are two very different things...

And many Topre folks have invented random boasts for their purchase..

In truth, Topre's only advantage is in its more uniform keypress at extreme angles vs the MX..  All the other stuff is either make-believe or completely inconsequential....

[Findecanor]

Topre is only smoother relative to MX shaft when struck AT HARSH angles..

I disagree with you. The difference is small, but it is there. You can notice it only if you press the key slowly.

Topres are lubed. I can definitely feel the difference between lubed vs. unlubed Cherry MX reds.

[Wildcard]

I know when I bought by first RF I though it was scratchy at first. But after a few weeks of typing I essentially broke the board in. Now it feels smooth as silk

You could also consider applying some lube to the plate groves for each switch if you still aren't satisfied after a month or so.

[tp4tissue]

Topre is only smoother relative to MX shaft when struck AT HARSH angles..

I disagree with you. The difference is small, but it is there. You can notice it only if you press the key slowly.

Topres are lubed. I can definitely feel the difference between lubed vs. unlubed Cherry MX reds.

This slight difference falls into the inconsequential arena..

NO one "Types" by pressing each switch down slowly..

This minute-comparison is an invention to justify a purchase rather than a "useful" feature..

[MJ45]

So I finally got my topre RF and it's not what I expected at all.  I think I realized why though:

when people say topre is smooth, I've been interpreting is as high quality, as in, not scratchy like browns can be.  Have people actually meant that it's actually smooth like a cherry red?

When you say "not scratchy" I can only recall a thread of where someone that has compared a Topre board against Cherry MX board. The feeling of jumping on trampoline vs I guess jumping on a corrugated iron with spring on the bottom is probably best described the differences between the two.

Of course to me having only played with Topre board I can only sense that it is smooth yet firm. It is really hard for me to describe but I am sure some people have also pointed out that MXs tend to wobble. Topre feels much sturdy.

wobble is GOOD in general. this means there's less of a chance for friction because the stem can detach from the switch shaft..

Sturdiness in a switch and sturdiness in the plate and landing are two very different things...

And many Topre folks have invented random boasts for their purchase..

In truth, Topre's only advantage is in its more uniform keypress at extreme angles vs the MX..  All the other stuff is either make-believe or completely inconsequential....

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It's not " invented random boasts or make-believe or inconsequential....." its the Topre Voodoo!

[tp4tissue]

So I finally got my topre RF and it's not what I expected at all.  I think I realized why though:

when people say topre is smooth, I've been interpreting is as high quality, as in, not scratchy like browns can be.  Have people actually meant that it's actually smooth like a cherry red?

When you say "not scratchy" I can only recall a thread of where someone that has compared a Topre board against Cherry MX board. The feeling of jumping on trampoline vs I guess jumping on a corrugated iron with spring on the bottom is probably best described the differences between the two.

Of course to me having only played with Topre board I can only sense that it is smooth yet firm. It is really hard for me to describe but I am sure some people have also pointed out that MXs tend to wobble. Topre feels much sturdy.

wobble is GOOD in general. this means there's less of a chance for friction because the stem can detach from the switch shaft..

Sturdiness in a switch and sturdiness in the plate and landing are two very different things...

And many Topre folks have invented random boasts for their purchase..

In truth, Topre's only advantage is in its more uniform keypress at extreme angles vs the MX..  All the other stuff is either make-believe or completely inconsequential....

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It's not " invented random boasts or make-believe or inconsequential....." its the Topre Voodoo!

I don't claim that certain differences are not there..  but the act of which when people "FOCUS" on them  is very much out of the necessity to justify their Luxury-Purchase..

And What I wouldn't want the novices joining GH to fall pray to is this mentality... They're being stifled by this group-think that's centered around spending money  rather than IMPROVING KEYBOARDS...

This has been why I've stood so close to the Egdx universe... because it goes above and beyond throwing money at pretty pebbles..

[MJ45]

So I finally got my topre RF and it's not what I expected at all.  I think I realized why though:

when people say topre is smooth, I've been interpreting is as high quality, as in, not scratchy like browns can be.  Have people actually meant that it's actually smooth like a cherry red?

When you say "not scratchy" I can only recall a thread of where someone that has compared a Topre board against Cherry MX board. The feeling of jumping on trampoline vs I guess jumping on a corrugated iron with spring on the bottom is probably best described the differences between the two.

Of course to me having only played with Topre board I can only sense that it is smooth yet firm. It is really hard for me to describe but I am sure some people have also pointed out that MXs tend to wobble. Topre feels much sturdy.

wobble is GOOD in general. this means there's less of a chance for friction because the stem can detach from the switch shaft..

Sturdiness in a switch and sturdiness in the plate and landing are two very different things...

And many Topre folks have invented random boasts for their purchase..

In truth, Topre's only advantage is in its more uniform keypress at extreme angles vs the MX..  All the other stuff is either make-believe or completely inconsequential....

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It's not " invented random boasts or make-believe or inconsequential....." its the Topre Voodoo!

I don't claim that certain differences are not there..  but the act of which when people "FOCUS" on them  is very much out of the necessity to justify their Luxury-Purchase..

And What I wouldn't want the novices joining GH to fall pray to is this mentality... They're being stifled by this group-think that's centered around spending money  rather than IMPROVING KEYBOARDS...

This has been why I've stood so close to the Egdx universe... because it goes above and beyond throwing money at pretty pebbles..

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I don't think this is intended to lead novices astray but the Egdx universe may be too far-out for some. The current Massdrop Edox is $199 base kit + $45 for caps, and must be built some can do it others have find assy. services so in the long run a Topre Realforce or a HHKB are about the same price range. I agree Topre is not everyone's cup of tea but either is a Ergodox. Its all about personal preferences. Some must try a variety of switches- keyboards to find what their ideal one is, some may find it easy some may never find the ideal combination. But for me the Topre switch keyboards like Realforce and HHKB come the closest to it.   

[alosec]

I don't think the feel of a topre board has ever been accurately explained by anyone, anywhere.

[Elrick]

I don't think the feel of a topre board has ever been accurately explained by anyone, anywhere.

RIGHT so your the one that needs a detail description.  Sorry buddy the English language can not full capture the Thorpie experience, just like the mechanism of procreation or owning and running a V8 Muscle car.

YOU need to do it yourself to see what it's really like.  You can never know what it's like until you alone experience these wonders, so go and get a Thorpie and enjoy, if not sell it here in the Classifieds and move on.

[tuxsavvy]

So I finally got my topre RF and it's not what I expected at all.  I think I realized why though:

when people say topre is smooth, I've been interpreting is as high quality, as in, not scratchy like browns can be.  Have people actually meant that it's actually smooth like a cherry red?

When you say "not scratchy" I can only recall a thread of where someone that has compared a Topre board against Cherry MX board. The feeling of jumping on trampoline vs I guess jumping on a corrugated iron with spring on the bottom is probably best described the differences between the two.

Of course to me having only played with Topre board I can only sense that it is smooth yet firm. It is really hard for me to describe but I am sure some people have also pointed out that MXs tend to wobble. Topre feels much sturdy.

wobble is GOOD in general. this means there's less of a chance for friction because the stem can detach from the switch shaft..

Sturdiness in a switch and sturdiness in the plate and landing are two very different things...

And many Topre folks have invented random boasts for their purchase..

In truth, Topre's only advantage is in its more uniform keypress at extreme angles vs the MX..  All the other stuff is either make-believe or completely inconsequential....

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It's not " invented random boasts or make-believe or inconsequential....." its the Topre Voodoo!

I don't claim that certain differences are not there..  but the act of which when people "FOCUS" on them  is very much out of the necessity to justify their Luxury-Purchase..

And What I wouldn't want the novices joining GH to fall pray to is this mentality... They're being stifled by this group-think that's centered around spending money  rather than IMPROVING KEYBOARDS...

This has been why I've stood so close to the Egdx universe... because it goes above and beyond throwing money at pretty pebbles..

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I don't this is intended to lead novices astray but the Egdx universe may be to far-out for some. The current Massdrop Edox is $199 base kit + $45 for caps, and must be built some can do it others have find assy. services so in the long run a Topre Realforce or a HHKB are about the same price range. I agree Topre is not everyone's cup of tea but either is a Ergodox. Its all about personal preferences. Some must try a variety of switches- keyboards to find what their ideal one is, some may find it easy some may never find the ideal combination. But for me the Topre switch keyboards like Realforce and HHKB come the closest to it.

+1

Though to each their own really, wobble might be good for some but what about in cases of where wobble might not be all that ideal? I mean there is yet another set of switches one has not contemplated about but I guess it might come close to Topre. Those hall effect switches. They are both expensive and linear and instead of having a spring underneath, supposedly they have a magnet. 

As for sturdiness, I guess that can only come when one has both two different mountings of the same switch. I can totally see that they are different and they would feel different.

I wouldn't go far in declaring that Topre only has one distinct advantage, the way you phrased it makes it sound like as if a bad touch typist could be just as good as normal touch typist by randomly hitting keys on various angles and hoping that they would hit the right key rather than a switch that would punish you for hitting the wrong keys and as a result the wrong character gets printed on the screen.

For novices to be easily swayed by the opinions of others is well...  ) HHKB on one end of the scale is a factory made keyboard, like every other keyboard that one can buy off the shelf from a shop. Ergodox on the other hand is a kit. Comparing these is like comparing a pre-made car vs a kit car, they are two different sort of beasts aimed at two very different crowds. I wouldn't also go as far as declaring factory pre-made stuff lacks innovation either.

There are those whom appreciates customisation to the minute detail that for the best things are made by one's own hand, but just as well there are those whom appreciates pre-made stuff. Even though pre-made stuff can be costly it does not imply improving the said pre-made keyboard is not possible. Blokes like Hasu doesn't sit there and admire "gee what an expensive keyboard.." and then not do any customisation on top just because the said pre-made product doesn't fit their bill. Sure HHKB is undoubtably expensive (especially at this time of the year and especially for foreigners) but to think that one is not allowed to modify HHKB is a limitation bound to one's mind.

[alosec]

I don't think the feel of a topre board has ever been accurately explained by anyone, anywhere.

RIGHT so your the one that needs a detail description.  Sorry buddy the English language can not full capture the Thorpie experience, just like the mechanism of procreation or owning and running a V8 Muscle car.

YOU need to do it yourself to see what it's really like.  You can never know what it's like until you alone experience these wonders, so go and get a Thorpie and enjoy, if not sell it here in the Classifieds and move on.

I have a fc660c myself, that's what I'm sayin, no one adequately can describe with words the feel of a topre board.

[Michael]

Topre Smoothness

[dustinhxc]

Topre Smoothness

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haha cloud of.. !!

[dustinhxc]

Topre Smoothness

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haha cloud of  :eek:

[rowdy]

Topre Smoothness

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haha cloud of  :eek:

Talking to yourself again?

[Elrick]

I have a fc660c myself, that's what I'm sayin, no one adequately can describe with words the feel of a topre board.

Also don't forget that there are subtle differences between the 3 main players Realforce, HHKB and Your model.  As I've never owned a HHKB nor the FC660C I can only know the feel of a Realforce 35, 45 and 55 spring weights.

And there are differences that may sway people away or towards that type of subtlety  .

[eth0s]

I don't think the feel of a topre board has ever been accurately explained by anyone, anywhere.

RIGHT so your the one that needs a detail description.  Sorry buddy the English language can not full capture the Thorpie experience, just like the mechanism of procreation or owning and running a V8 Muscle car.

YOU need to do it yourself to see what it's really like.  You can never know what it's like until you alone experience these wonders, so go and get a Thorpie and enjoy, if not sell it here in the Classifieds and move on.

I have a fc660c myself, that's what I'm sayin, no one adequately can describe with words the feel of a topre board.

I think "cloud of bewbs" captures it pretty well, and poetically at that.

[Linkbane]

I have a fc660c myself, that's what I'm sayin, no one adequately can describe with words the feel of a topre board.

I thought unimpressive would suffice.

[Michael]

I have a fc660c myself, that's what I'm sayin, no one adequately can describe with words the feel of a topre board.

I thought unimpressive would suffice.

Sums up the majority of your posts, nicely.

[tbc]

how does the digilog case affect the feel of the switches?  if at all.

[Michael]

how does the digilog case affect the feel of the switches?  if at all.

It doesn't affect the actual feel. The audible perception changes, but in terms of what feedback your fingers are receiving, there is no difference.

[terran5992]

how does the digilog case affect the feel of the switches?  if at all.

It doesn't affect the actual feel. The audible perception changes, but in terms of what feedback your fingers are receiving, there is no difference.

0.o what is the audible difference?

[Linkbane]

I have a fc660c myself, that's what I'm sayin, no one adequately can describe with words the feel of a topre board.

I thought unimpressive would suffice.

Sums up the majority of your posts, nicely.

Bro Caps thinks that it's still cool to make (not) subtle jabs at people a few months after he got his jimmies rustled?
It's okay, I can hear them from here.

[Michael]

Bro Caps thinks that it's still cool to make (not) subtle jabs at people a few months after he got his jimmies rustled?
It's okay, I can hear them from here.

Thought I was on ignore, bro? Guess your jimmies were rustled sufficiently to change that.

[keymaster]

Topre feels like a high-quality rubber dome with the addition of tactility. There is no scratchiness, so yes, it is smooth.

[MJ45]

Topre feels like a high-quality rubber dome with the addition of tactility. There is no scratchiness, so yes, it is smooth.

High Quality rubber dome?

[dustinhxc]

Topre Smoothness

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haha cloud of  :eek:

Talking to yourself again?

haha dangit >.<  :))

I have a fc660c myself, that's what I'm sayin, no one adequately can describe with words the feel of a topre board.

I thought unimpressive would suffice.

Sums up the majority of your posts, nicely.

 :))

Topre feels like a high-quality rubber dome with the addition of tactility. There is no scratchiness, so yes, it is smooth.

Very smooth!

[Elrick]

Topre feels like a high-quality rubber dome with the addition of tactility. There is no scratchiness, so yes, it is smooth.

High Quality rubber dome?

SUPER High Quality - Silicone Domes, to be more accurate  .  Someone just referred to them like typing on a "Cloud of Boobs" ......too right  .

[tp4tissue]

Topre feels like a high-quality rubber dome with the addition of tactility. There is no scratchiness, so yes, it is smooth.

High Quality rubber dome?

SUPER High Quality - Silicone Domes, to be more accurate  .  Someone just referred to them like typing on a "Cloud of Boobs" ......too right  .

what? no.. the cloud of b00bz is mx-red linear switches..

Have you ever felt boobs?   I mean, they're not really like mx-reds.. but  they certainly DO NOT have  a tactile bump at the top of actuation like topre..

[rowdy]

Topre feels like a high-quality rubber dome with the addition of tactility. There is no scratchiness, so yes, it is smooth.

High Quality rubber dome?

SUPER High Quality - Silicone Domes, to be more accurate  .  Someone just referred to them like typing on a "Cloud of Boobs" ......too right  .

what? no.. the cloud of b00bz is mx-red linear switches..

Have you ever felt boobs?   I mean, they're not really like mx-reds.. but  they certainly DO NOT have  a tactile bump at the top of actuation like topre..

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Soft and squishy all the way down, with nubs.

[Belfong]

I don't claim that certain differences are not there..  but the act of which when people "FOCUS" on them  is very much out of the necessity to justify their Luxury-Purchase..

And What I wouldn't want the novices joining GH to fall pray to is this mentality... They're being stifled by this group-think that's centered around spending money  rather than IMPROVING KEYBOARDS...

This has been why I've stood so close to the Egdx universe... because it goes above and beyond throwing money at pretty pebbles..

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I'm with tp4issue here. I owned a HHKB and have used it daily at work for 2 weeks. It's a very expensive and luxury brand item and I find myself creating a lot of justification for my purchase but in truth, I love the keyboard but I don't understand what was so great about it. Aside from the sound, it feels a lot like MX Clear and Alps to me and the PBT caps are like my Poker 2 PBT caps in feel.

I can tell my friends that I love this keyboard but I will not be able to really tell them why. To do so would be to create an illusion as though I know exactly what makes this keyboard good, which is not true. The only discerning fact that I can say with conviction is the sound. I still don't get the feel. I would switch to another keyboard in an instance and not miss the HHKB. When I typed at the Matias and Code at home, I don't miss HHKB. Maybe I should use it for a another couple of months to see if it grows on me as some claimed it will be.

If HHKB weren't so expensive, I think all these 'boasts' (as tp4issue put it) would not be so prevalent.

No wonder I have the HHKB Pagan status - ha ha ..

[tp4tissue]

I don't claim that certain differences are not there..  but the act of which when people "FOCUS" on them  is very much out of the necessity to justify their Luxury-Purchase..

And What I wouldn't want the novices joining GH to fall pray to is this mentality... They're being stifled by this group-think that's centered around spending money  rather than IMPROVING KEYBOARDS...

This has been why I've stood so close to the Egdx universe... because it goes above and beyond throwing money at pretty pebbles..

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I'm with tp4issue here. I owned a HHKB and have used it daily at work for 2 weeks. It's a very expensive and luxury brand item and I find myself creating a lot of justification for my purchase but in truth, I love the keyboard but I don't understand what was so great about it. Aside from the sound, it feels a lot like MX Clear and Alps to me and the PBT caps are like my Poker 2 PBT caps in feel.

I can tell my friends that I love this keyboard but I will not be able to really tell them why. To do so would be to create an illusion as though I know exactly what makes this keyboard good, which is not true. The only discerning fact that I can say with conviction is the sound. I still don't get the feel. I would switch to another keyboard in an instance and not miss the HHKB. When I typed at the Matias and Code at home, I don't miss HHKB. Maybe I should use it for a another couple of months to see if it grows on me as some claimed it will be.

If HHKB weren't so expensive, I think all these 'boasts' (as tp4issue put it) would not be so prevalent.

No wonder I have the HHKB Pagan status - ha ha ..

Hallelujah..  another objective person..

[Wildcard]

Topre feels like a high-quality rubber dome with the addition of tactility. There is no scratchiness, so yes, it is smooth.

High Quality rubber dome?

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More like bangmaid :)

[1pq]

I don't claim that certain differences are not there..  but the act of which when people "FOCUS" on them  is very much out of the necessity to justify their Luxury-Purchase..

And What I wouldn't want the novices joining GH to fall pray to is this mentality... They're being stifled by this group-think that's centered around spending money  rather than IMPROVING KEYBOARDS...

This has been why I've stood so close to the Egdx universe... because it goes above and beyond throwing money at pretty pebbles..

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I'm with tp4issue here. I owned a HHKB and have used it daily at work for 2 weeks. It's a very expensive and luxury brand item and I find myself creating a lot of justification for my purchase but in truth, I love the keyboard but I don't understand what was so great about it. Aside from the sound, it feels a lot like MX Clear and Alps to me and the PBT caps are like my Poker 2 PBT caps in feel.

I can tell my friends that I love this keyboard but I will not be able to really tell them why. To do so would be to create an illusion as though I know exactly what makes this keyboard good, which is not true. The only discerning fact that I can say with conviction is the sound. I still don't get the feel. I would switch to another keyboard in an instance and not miss the HHKB. When I typed at the Matias and Code at home, I don't miss HHKB. Maybe I should use it for a another couple of months to see if it grows on me as some claimed it will be.

If HHKB weren't so expensive, I think all these 'boasts' (as tp4issue put it) would not be so prevalent.

No wonder I have the HHKB Pagan status - ha ha ..

I agree with you, Belfong, although there are some thing's I'd like to clear up. Tp says that the only advantage of topre switches is smoothness when depressed at a severe angle. In his post, he exaggerated the differences in smoothness and sturdiness between topre and mx boards significantly. Even when depressed at shallow angles, mx boards feel slightly scratchier, and more "plasticky," than topre boards. Topre boards, although they wobble a bit, feel much sturdier than mx boards. Although they, too, are made of plastic, something about the rubber dome in the topres give them a feeling of being better supported and set into place.

Topre switches, however, certainly have their downsides. It is nearly impossible to avoid bottoming out, and the need to press each key fully down can slow down typing. However, I do find that I have fewer accidental/mistaken key presses when typing furiously on topres than when typing on MX Blues. There is just something about cherry switches that allow one to type strings of characters at great speed that you simply cannot achieve with topre switches.
Also, in my opinion, topres are terrible for gaming. I much prefer tactile mx switches, where one can really sense exactly where the switch is getting activated, for gaming. In addition to this, knowing that you're wearing out the rubber domes with all the key-mashing is kind of bothersome.

I'm not sure whether I'll eventually switch back to mx. I've been using topre since I bought my FC660C a few weeks ago. While I've certainly enjoyed the board, I've been slightly underwhelmed. The fanboys on here certainly can get you very excited :). That being said, if you're not satisfied with your mx board, topre is definitely an entirely different experience, and is totally worth checking out.

[Belfong]

I gotta learn how you guys put these low-cut emoticons so easily!

[Belfong]

Also, in my opinion, topres are terrible for gaming. I much prefer tactile mx switches, where one can really sense exactly where the switch is getting activated, for gaming. In addition to this, knowing that you're wearing out the rubber domes with all the key-mashing is kind of bothersome.

I'm not sure whether I'll eventually switch back to mx. I've been using topre since I bought my FC660C a few weeks ago. While I've certainly enjoyed the board, I've been slightly underwhelmed. The fanboys on here certainly can get you very excited . That being said, if you're not satisfied with your mx board, topre is definitely an entirely different experience, and is totally worth checking out.

I wouldn't worry so much about the rubber domes. If those cheap $10 keyboards could withstand years of gaming, this Topre better be able too; otherwise I will scream murder.

I have tried all 3 modern switches: alps, cherry, topre - they each are different and I am glad that there are choices out there. Just get all 3 (and that buckling spring) and interchange the keyboards once a while. We human need change at times, so sticking to one is kinda pointless.

1pq, you mentioned about the Topre plastics - is it the key caps (PBT) instead of the rubber domes that making the difference to you?