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Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 08:52:44 »
Hopefully this is the right area for this question.  Now that I've gone head first into this rabbits hole of an addiction, I'd like to take better care of my keyboard/s when I'm not using them.

I'm looking into the Elite Keyboard Keyboard Roof, but I'm wondering if there are other solutions I should consider first.  How many of you are using a keyboard roof type accessory, and what is your preferred model?

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 09:14:38 »

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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 09:21:39 »
or this:



These keyboard skins keep dust off the keyboard even while you are typing, but I doubt anyone is as OCD as me about this kind of thing. I just use the cardboard boxes the keyboard came in reinforced with tape.

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 09:40:54 »
I don’t know if it’s a sign of insufficient discipline or I don’t care deeply enough about my keyboards, but even though I’ve had boards that came with one cover or another, I have never used them more than a day or two before putting them off to the side somewhere and never using them again.  They’d help with dust, I guess, but not with grime on the keycaps, which is the most noticeable sign that a board isn't as clean as it used to be. The only time I’d be likely to have a spill is when I’m using the keyboard with cover off, so not much help there.  I’ve got ancient Northgates that are still in service, so my inattention hasn’t been fatal.
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 09:45:28 »
I still use the one that came with my leopold. I put it on when I'm not using the keyboard and hang it up on the wall when I am using the keyboard
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 09:46:29 »
I personally use keyboard roof on my HHKB, I bought the keyboard roof along with my HHKB and a few other HHKB accessories altogether.

After looking at the link you pointed, the keyboard roof design is quite similar to mine. I like the fact that there are hard keyboard roof available (using around 4-5mm thick acrylic), however both the acrylic keyboard that I got with my HHKB as well as the image of the keyboard roof you linked seems to lack one thing in common. They lack acrylic coverage on the sides of the keyboard. Whilst I guess dust may not easily fly in where there are no acrylic coverage however it would still be nice (personally) if such manufacturers consider a much more thorough acrylic covering similar to what BlackWidoMan777 has pointed. Inevitably for me get an acrylic keyboard like that, it would be far too big for my HHKB but would probably be ideal (maybe to an extent) had the keyboard roof been used to cover my full sized keyboards.





For now I only put on keyboard roof on my HHKB if I don't use (or don't plan to use) my HHKB for a day or two. Any more longer than those durations I would simply place the keyboard with keyboard roof and a few accesories into my HHKB bag. The HHKB bag seems to provide far more better coverage that just a simple roof which just covers mainly the top of the keyboard. Of course, it is a little more annoying having to put it in the bag but to me it is better to be safe than sorry.



HHKB roof I guess is ideal for 60% keyboards mainly. Any keyboard larger than 60% which either includes F keys or few other keys like Insert, and Delete on the side the HHKB roof will not cover it. HHKB roof can also fit a portion of the full sized keyboard, it would only cover the usual set of keys similar to how it is arranged on HHKB) and not the F keys, the numpad, etc.  So basically it would look silly with one area covered and not others.
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 09:52:42 »
Just say no to dust the sterile way, plus the gloves will keep your original caps virginal:


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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 09:57:18 »
Not to derail this thread, but is there one compatible with the Ducky Shine 3 TKL?
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 10:07:01 »
Not to derail this thread, but is there one compatible with the Ducky Shine 3 TKL?

Something like this might do plus you can put your monitor or laptop on top and still be able to type. Just place a piece of fabric or cloth under the monitor/laptop and cover it at night.



look up acrylic monitor stand on amazon.com

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 10:32:41 »
really nice hhkb :p simply cool
i think it not standart staggered but standart in japan :rolleyes:
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 10:41:52 »
Not to derail this thread, but is there one compatible with the Ducky Shine 3 TKL?

Something like this might do plus you can put your monitor or laptop on top and still be able to type. Just place a piece of fabric or cloth under the monitor/laptop and cover it at night.

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look up acrylic monitor stand on amazon.com
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 10:45:54 »
Not to derail this thread, but is there one compatible with the Ducky Shine 3 TKL?

Something like this might do plus you can put your monitor or laptop on top and still be able to type. Just place a piece of fabric or cloth under the monitor/laptop and cover it at night.

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look up acrylic monitor stand on amazon.com
Not all,but this is :))
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water resistant roof lol :))

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 10:49:00 »
Not to derail this thread, but is there one compatible with the Ducky Shine 3 TKL?

Something like this might do plus you can put your monitor or laptop on top and still be able to type. Just place a piece of fabric or cloth under the monitor/laptop and cover it at night.

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look up acrylic monitor stand on amazon.com
Not all,but this is :))
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water resistant roof lol :))
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 23:12:57 »
Just say no to dust the sterile way, plus the gloves will keep your original caps virginal:

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I posted similar item on another thread. The uses is quite different but the design is more or less the same. I am sure such usage (if kept as it is) will not only be virtually dust proof, it will also be liquid proof, temperature proof (well almost...) as well as potentially sound proof (if done right).

Definitely would be a good idea during wintertime for instance because it won't exactly be your bare hands touching the keys on the keyboard but the gloves. No need to worry about accidental liquid spillages too! keyboard like that will be the perfect equivalent of "bubble boy" the movie.  :))

Here is another variant which is not has and probably looks less obtrusive, cheaper too:

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really nice hhkb :p simply cool
i think it not standart staggered but standart in japan ::)

Not sure what you meant there. Staggered layout is not exactly restricted within to a single country. It solely depends on the purpose of the keyboard. You can get grid like layout for a keyboard regardless from which country it was originated from.

My HHKB in this particular case is Japanese specific layout. HHKB comes with both English and Japanese layout. The English layout looks more similar to ANSI layout whereas the Japanese layout is based more or less on Japanese Industrial Standards (JIS) layout. One can crudely say that the layout is sort of based on ISO layout (notably with the design of the Enter key for instance).

The same said HHKB keyboard roof should fit virtually all the HHKB keyboards (even Lite range included). It might even fit other 60% board layout provided that the dimensions are similar to that of the HHKB.
Not to derail this thread, but is there one compatible with the Ducky Shine 3 TKL?

Something like this might do plus you can put your monitor or laptop on top and still be able to type. Just place a piece of fabric or cloth under the monitor/laptop and cover it at night.

(Attachment Link)

look up acrylic monitor stand on amazon.com
Not all,but this is :))
Show Image

That sort of layout with maybe 3M privacy filter and or physical objects to cover viewing from other angles (apart from straight on) = almost perfect password snooping protection.  :p

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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 23:21:16 »
But why just keep the dust off when it's your fingers that will wear the print off the caps.

For the huge prices of mechanical keyboards, they need to solve the problem of dust and grime and have it that way right out of the box. It's like having to use the Rolls as your daily driver.

Lol, love the bubble boy imagery!
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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 23:42:09 »
Talking of those acrylic roofs, a grouse application would be to just fit a small one over the arrows and numbers section so you could put your wireless mouse on top. Very ergonomic plus you keep full usability of numpad when you need it.

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 01:33:45 »
But why just keep the dust off when it's your fingers that will wear the print off the caps.

For the huge prices of mechanical keyboards, they need to solve the problem of dust and grime and have it that way right out of the box. It's like having to use the Rolls as your daily driver.

Lol, love the bubble boy imagery!


I guess some people probably don't like cleaning their keyboards that much and/or maybe they are working in a dusty environment, e.g. in some warehouse or factory or even wood working areas where wood shavings can be commonly found. Granted the fingers wears the legends off the caps but that would take much longer than to say for instance leaving the keyboard outside doing nothing but collecting dust like virtually every other things would.

If manufacturers were to solve dust issues for instance with the mechanical keyboards, the ultimate end result I can imagine would not be any better than those flexible and washable rubber dome keyboards. Everything is sealed up so there's no fuss with virtually any sort of mess but at the same time it would also somewhat make the keyboard less aurally pleasing. Mechanical keyboards have that unique touch with the sound as well as the feeling in which is most likely incomparable to a regular rubber dome keyboard. Hence if manufacterers were to step in dealing with dust for instance problems in some sort of one off perfect sense of solution it would be to seal the keyboard up completely.

Not that I would believe manufacturers lack understanding for making a compromise when it comes to targeting the mechanical keyboard sense of environment but in my humble opinion there is a fine line between a pleasing sense of mechanical keyboard that is just as aurally pleasing as it is to type on and having a keyboard that would satisfy those who needs a keyboard to remain clean and/or be easy to clean and not deal with any sort of side effects such as accidental coffee/soda drink spillage. In either case it would somewhat nonetheless be interesting should the manufacturers do decide to tackle on this issue. Mechanical and dustproof keyboard whilst retaining all the makings of a proper mechanical keyboard (or what it ought to be).

Talking of those acrylic roofs, a grouse application would be to just fit a small one over the arrows and numbers section so you could put your wireless mouse on top. Very ergonomic plus you keep full usability of numpad when you need it.
That is one way to look at it, though everyone's usages are different I suppose. If I were to use my HHKB (which I am not right now, she's actually packed away to retain some of its pristine sort of condition  :p ) there are no numpads for instance to have a keyboard roof to cover over, besides the keyboard already is much smaller than my full sized keyboard so "mouse space" is not too much of an issue for me.

I suppose the other ways to look at it would be to use trackball which only if one is comfortable using one of course, a touch pad based pointing device is another and then there is always the tablet which to me would sort of be the ultimate. Unarguably the mouse is nice and all for gaming for instance but the growing fears of RSI and CTS for instance is a worrying sign for people who spend long hours in front of a computer and using GUI applications most of the time.

Anyway point being is that there are many ways for "skin a cat" for that instance.
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 01:42:02 »
Not sure what you meant there. Staggered layout is not exactly restricted within to a single country. It solely depends on the purpose of the keyboard. You can get grid like layout for a keyboard regardless from which country it was originated from.

My HHKB in this particular case is Japanese specific layout. HHKB comes with both English and Japanese layout. The English layout looks more similar to ANSI layout whereas the Japanese layout is based more or less on Japanese Industrial Standards (JIS) layout. One can crudely say that the layout is sort of based on ISO layout (notably with the design of the Enter key for instance).

The same said HHKB keyboard roof should fit virtually all the HHKB keyboards (even Lite range included). It might even fit other 60% board layout provided that the dimensions are similar to that of the HHKB.
tuxsavvy,what is it true that Japan, Korea, and China rarely uses spacebar? :rolleyes:
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 02:09:33 »
Not sure what you meant there. Staggered layout is not exactly restricted within to a single country. It solely depends on the purpose of the keyboard. You can get grid like layout for a keyboard regardless from which country it was originated from.

My HHKB in this particular case is Japanese specific layout. HHKB comes with both English and Japanese layout. The English layout looks more similar to ANSI layout whereas the Japanese layout is based more or less on Japanese Industrial Standards (JIS) layout. One can crudely say that the layout is sort of based on ISO layout (notably with the design of the Enter key for instance).

The same said HHKB keyboard roof should fit virtually all the HHKB keyboards (even Lite range included). It might even fit other 60% board layout provided that the dimensions are similar to that of the HHKB.

tuxsavvy,what is it true that Japan, Korea, and China rarely uses spacebar? ::)
I cannot comment much about Korean (as I don't really know much Korean to be frank). However it is quite true that both Chinese (Mandarin) and Japanese rarely use spaces in their words. In fact historically unlike how most European words are written (from left to right) Chinese was written from top to bottom and more or less the same goes with Japanese. Much like I guess how Arabic is written from right to left (which is different from left to right or top to bottom) layout.

As far as I know of the Chinese (Mandarin) tradition of writing from top to bottom has not been phased out. It is still being taught in schools as well as novels uses the same top to bottom layout. I guess the Japanese is more or less the same with manga for instance written in the same manner or even for captions on certain images when arranged in a certain way in a magazine.

Put simply apart from the use of commas, periods, brackets maybe even hyphens - the use of spacebar (or space to separate "words") are somewhat otherwise omitted.

Even though I know some of the language and their basic structures for Chinese (Mandarin) and Japanese it would be wise to take what I say as a grain of salt. I could be really wrong about the points I highlighted above considering how often I have adopted to use English layout.

That said I don't know what is your point in asking lol. Even if Chinese (Mandarin) or Japanese doesn't use spaces as much as English it does not necessarily mean that the spacebar is not used at all or in the case of Japanese, the spacebar has shrunk to some obnoxious design.

Languages evolve faster than one can try mastering. I am sure when both Chinese (Mandarin) and Japanese took on the form of writing in the same sort of layout as English (left to right as opposed to top to bottom) these two languages may have also taken into account with putting spaces when punctuations are used. Separating "words" is still retained as per traditional standards but spaces (mainly used in conjunction with punctuations) are used to separate sentences in the most basic sense.

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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 03:16:02 »
In either case it would somewhat nonetheless be interesting should the manufacturers do decide to tackle on this issue. Mechanical and dustproof keyboard whilst retaining all the makings of a proper mechanical keyboard (or what it ought to be).
...

Anyway point being is that there are many ways for "skin a cat" for that instance.

Hehe, I'm pretty sure a lot of us are encountering similar issues and are thinking of ways to secure and/or secrete our keyboards away and maintain them as perpetually born-again virgins. The technology is certainly there and from what I have seen on this site, nobody likes smears, smudges or dust on their keyboards, least of all spilled coke. We will have to make do with our make-shift solutions until they come up with something. I know they can. We buy all these keyboards and then after a few days the letters fade off. Anyway, now to thinking of my perfect bubble boy set-up... :)

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 05:57:25 »
too much hassle really... lets calculate

3 seconds to take off the roof every single time... 2 seconds to place the roof some where unobtrusive...

3 seconds to put the roof back on at the end of the day..

Let's say you do this once a day for the life of the keyboard 20 years.

that's 16 hours of your life... FOR WHAT


Lets say you let the dust settle... let the keyboard die in IDK half that time, and buy a new keyboard...

8hr * $7 minimum wage $56.. No cleaning ever...



You start to see why the trade is not worth it...

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 06:49:03 »
Cherry sensitive with dust,so need Roof or cover at least :)
Thorope i think not sensitive :rolleyes:
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 07:15:28 »
Cherry sensitive with dust,so need Roof or cover at least :)
Thorope i think not sensitive :rolleyes:

yes it is...  because the plunger shaft has less clearance, it is if anything MORE sensitive to dust becoming problematic if it built up in the key shaft..

While with MX, it can handle LOTS of dust, before anything happens, because the channels are so wide.

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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 07:42:11 »
too much hassle really... lets calculate

3 seconds to take off the roof every single time... 2 seconds to place the roof some where unobtrusive...

3 seconds to put the roof back on at the end of the day..

Let's say you do this once a day for the life of the keyboard 20 years.

that's 16 hours of your life... FOR WHAT


Lets say you let the dust settle... let the keyboard die in IDK half that time, and buy a new keyboard...

8hr * $7 minimum wage $56.. No cleaning ever...



You start to see why the trade is not worth it...

The case doesn't really add up in a dusty environment where without cleaning a nice mechanical keyboard for maybe a day or two. Dust makes the keyboard look dirty and used apart from the fact that maybe accrued dust over time may start affecting the performance of the keyboard. Now in a rather undusty environment it may take several years (maybe even never) but in an extremely dusty environment, dust can start accruing up within the gaps within maybe a few years. Keep packing those dust down and eventually over several years those compacted dust may add some friction when pressing the keys down. Sure the effects are minimal but is it really worth neglecting?

Another case is that a good keyboard if well looked after will not only last the user a long time but also it gives the user intricate details on disassembly/assembly of the keyboard. Dirty keyboards for instance shows how one cares little for their keyboards. Now imagine if one never cleans the insides of their computer if using the same logic (except case gets extrapolated). Imagine the poor components gather dust to an extent that it may start clogging up fans for instance. Imagine if one also does the same thing with a car, never washes their car because there is no point to worry over such "trivial" issues. Can you imagine the sort of impression you would give others? On one hand you don't care about your belongings, you only care to use it as it is and all the dust issue for instance is all superficial but apart from that they may think that you are either lazy and/or generally messy. Now imagine what if some say a mechanical keyboard geek who loves their mechanical keyboard sees your keyboard being left in an unkempt state. What sort of impression do you think they will make about you?

Had the case been a regular rubber dome keyboard I wouldn't have cared much about cleaning it, they are cheap, dime a dozen and put simply "throwaway goods" once their useful life is more or less up. Sure one can treat a nice mechanical keyboard the same way if all they do is spend money solely on a mechanical keyboard. I wonder how long will that last for under extremely dusty environment one is living under. Probably one would have realised that it would have been an expensive sort of hobby to go through mechanical keyboards on roughly the similar sort of scale as rubber dome keyboards. Not to mention that the money could have also been spent elsewhere and also one would have learnt something when cleaning their own keyboard apart from showing love to the said product.

Besides a keyboard roof is not solely used to guard against dust. It can be used to sort of cover against liquids being spilled onto the keyboard provided that the user was diligent enough to keep putting on the roof whenever the keyboard when not in use. The cover provided may not be that great but it is still better than nothing. There is no way to know when will accidentally spill liquid on their nice mechanical keyboard but in other cases it may sort of pay for its worth apart from being a fashion accessory that one may see it as a "labour intensive" job to take the cover off and put it back on.

When it comes to harder sort of keyboard roof like acrylic roof, the roof protects the keyboard from accidental key presses when the keyboard is to be stored away. It protects (when maybe for instance stuck together via masking tape) the keys from being pressed (and decreases the life of the switch on the key) when transporting the keyboard in say a car when it is in motion.

Last but not least, keyboard roof can also be because of "honouring" traditions. I have seen with the some old school typewriters, they have keyboard roof which one puts over the keys. Not only does it look nice (as it still more or less does with modern keyboards which are normally plugged into a computer) but it maybe seen as some old school habit. Keyboard roofs adds a bit of a touch to a keyboard apart from all the possible reasons above. Though I guess it wholly depends on users' preferences.

There is one notable mechanical gaming keyboard which has a keyboard roof that also doubles as a palm rest when in use. That is probably one of the ways to make a good use of the roof provided that one has the adequate desk space for both the keyboard as well as the palm rest. Had maybe other manufacturers considered about doing something fancy with having keyboard roofs to make sure that it would be a sort of "waste of space and time" there maybe more other users that may see the benefit of having a keyboard roof.

There is nothing wrong with your comparisons but the way you phrase it sounds like the small things are of a big deal whilst overlooking at the benefits of having a keyboard roof. More like you loathe keyboard roof. To me a keyboard roof offers some distinct advantages apart from simply the fact that it is only seen as some sort of fashionable accessory.
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 07:44:45 »
Cherry sensitive with dust,so need Roof or cover at least :)
Thorope i think not sensitive :rolleyes:

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 07:49:21 »
I think Tp4 should pay you $24 dollars just for writing that reply. I would like to extrapolate even further and ask if he spends at least 35 secs per day rationalizing the cost/benefit analysis of having a shower.

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 08:06:59 »
I think Tp4 should pay you $24 dollars just for writing that reply. I would like to extrapolate even further and ask if he spends at least 35 secs per day rationalizing the cost/benefit analysis of having a shower.
Hehe glad I guess I am not alone there in that thought. After reading that whole thing that I wrote I felt like I was doing a bit of this:
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 08:08:52 »
Don't be  taken seriously manhabit of tissue
Cherry sensitive with dust,so need Roof or cover at least :)
Thorope i think not sensitive :rolleyes:

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 11:46:33 »
I think Tp4 should pay you $24 dollars just for writing that reply. I would like to extrapolate even further and ask if he spends at least 35 secs per day rationalizing the cost/benefit analysis of having a shower.
Hehe glad I guess I am not alone there in that thought. After reading that whole thing that I wrote I felt like I was doing a bit of this:
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The benefits of a keyboard roof is far less than you've described.

Spills generally happen while the user is there.. drinking something.. that would then spill onto/into the keyboard..  - a roof would make no difference here, because the user would be using the keyboard.

Dusty environments... ok, sure possible... but the vast majority of keyboard users are NOT in such environments.. and that is my basis for utility comparison.

Now the discussion of "large thing vs small thing"

The whole concept of keyboard roofs as applied to modern keyboards is already of minimal benefit... 

My argument is that the benefits are SMaller to the average user than that of the expense..

The cause of keyboard dirtiness is primarily the USER, his dead skincells and his finger oils...

The dust that gathers on it afterwards is a very small component of the typical keyboard grim buildup...

The main sticky component is the oils and dead skin flakes form the user's hands.. THIS would not be alleviated from the use of a keyboard roof...






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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 11:54:17 »

Dusty environments... ok, sure possible... but the vast majority of keyboard users are NOT in such environments.. and that is my basis for utility comparison.

I use a dust cover every night because our office is very dusty.

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #30 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 11:59:26 »

Dusty environments... ok, sure possible... but the vast majority of keyboard users are NOT in such environments.. and that is my basis for utility comparison.

I use a dust cover every night because our office is very dusty.

Ok spam.. i get it... you're some how always somewhere that is directly opposite to my understanding of "most people"...

That makes you corner case...

Even if all the GH came in here and said they lived in a dusty environment... That does not make keyboard covers any more relevant...

The problem as I've mentioned is the OIL and the skin flakes which also carry oil..



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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 12:00:23 »
The real reason why I'm considering purchasing one is that I always end up eating lunch at my desk.  I always wash my hands before using the keyboard again, but sometimes a piece of fruit splatters, or a stray crumb gets near the keyboard.  It would be nice to use a keyboard roof just during those times just to be a little extra safe :)

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 12:13:37 »
The real reason why I'm considering purchasing one is that I always end up eating lunch at my desk.  I always wash my hands before using the keyboard again, but sometimes a piece of fruit splatters, or a stray crumb gets near the keyboard.  It would be nice to use a keyboard roof just during those times just to be a little extra safe :)

Illogical

Assuming you will be temporarily discontinuing use of the keyboard..   -as would be the case if a cover was placed upon it.

Why not just move the entire keyboard out of harms way temporarily..


The task is no more difficult to place a cover upon the keyboard than it is to move the whole keyboard..

Either way you're -lifting- 1 item of which is light weight.

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 12:20:44 »
Illogical

Assuming you will be temporarily discontinuing use of the keyboard..   -as would be the case if a cover was placed upon it.

Why not just move the entire keyboard out of harms way temporarily..


The task is no more difficult to place a cover upon the keyboard than it is to move the whole keyboard..

Either way you're -lifting- 1 item of which is light weight.

The illogical part is that I still insist on eating at my desk.  Since I often do eat at my desk though, with my limited desk space, it's not possible to move it far enough to keep it safe from every stray food particle.  It's safe from almost all of them, but not everything.

As I write this I realize I must sound like a complete slob!  I am actually not.  I'm sort of a neat/clean freak, which is why I'm considering getting the EK keyboard roof.  For only $30, I think it's totally worth it for me.

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 13:01:31 »
Seems like a waste of money to me. I would use it if it came with my keyboard and I was out for a while, but my room has very little dust and my keyboard is nearly pristine (matte finish helps). If it ever needs to be cleaned, I have compressed air to blow out any dust, anyways.

If I really was a stickler for cleanliness, I'd just use hand sanitizer before typing. I actually plan to do that some, but the PBT I have do not get dirty very easily, and it's not an issue.
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #35 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 14:05:18 »
I use a dust cover that comes with most boards. Works great if you eat at your computer.

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #36 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 18:51:10 »
I use a dust cover that comes with most boards. Works great if you eat at your computer.

Yeah that's what I do, too. However I'm wondering if the small keyboard roof from Elite Keyboards would fit my Poker II.
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 19:23:18 »
I use a dust cover that comes with most boards. Works great if you eat at your computer.

Yeah that's what I do, too. However I'm wondering if the small keyboard roof from Elite Keyboards would fit my Poker II.

The 60% should work, while the TKL would hang off the bezel.
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 09 December 2013, 07:37:06 »
I wanted to mention I actually keep my HHKB in its bag when I'm not using it.

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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 09 December 2013, 07:50:28 »
I think Tp4 should pay you $24 dollars just for writing that reply. I would like to extrapolate even further and ask if he spends at least 35 secs per day rationalizing the cost/benefit analysis of having a shower.
Hehe glad I guess I am not alone there in that thought. After reading that whole thing that I wrote I felt like I was doing a bit of this:
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The benefits of a keyboard roof is far less than you've described.

Spills generally happen while the user is there.. drinking something.. that would then spill onto/into the keyboard..  - a roof would make no difference here, because the user would be using the keyboard.

Dusty environments... ok, sure possible... but the vast majority of keyboard users are NOT in such environments.. and that is my basis for utility comparison.

Now the discussion of "large thing vs small thing"

The whole concept of keyboard roofs as applied to modern keyboards is already of minimal benefit... 

My argument is that the benefits are SMaller to the average user than that of the expense..

The cause of keyboard dirtiness is primarily the USER, his dead skincells and his finger oils...

The dust that gathers on it afterwards is a very small component of the typical keyboard grim buildup...

The main sticky component is the oils and dead skin flakes form the user's hands.. THIS would not be alleviated from the use of a keyboard roof...
Looks like I have partially won you over on dusty issues. You have to also admit that keyboard roof still looks visually pleasing regardless.

I do agree more or less with the points you stated above as keyboard roof is not the do-all, be-all, end-all solution however at least it would address one issue at a time.

The amount of time it would take for one to take a keyboard roof off a keyboard before one uses them, the amount of time it takes for one to source an appropriate location to place the keyboard roof (unless it was that Gamdias Hermes keyboard for instance) and the amount of time it takes for one to locate and place the keyboard roof back on the keyboard when the keyboard is not in use just seems a rather trivial.

I guess if only the keyboard manufacturers and/or individual manufacturers making tailor made keyboard roofs more appealing for one to be able to tuck away the roof when keyboard is meant to be used, the time spent on relocating the keyboard roof would be rather moot. For instance if say for example the keyboard roof for my HHKB, if I could put it on the bottom of my keyboard when I need to use the keyboard itself, there would be no need for me to place the keyboard roof elsewhere.

I wanted to mention I actually keep my HHKB in its bag when I'm not using it.


I also do the same thing with my HHKB, though mainly when not in] use for extended periods or when I know I won't be using the keyboard for extended periods.
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 09 December 2013, 17:20:22 »
Again, not derail the thread but I have a quick question about the elitekeyboards roof.
The keyboard I want to get has the dimensions of 1.25 x 14.00 x 5.50 inches

This converts to 31.75 x 355.6 x 139.7
The roof is  12 x 357 x 130

Would the roof fit on the Ducky Shine 3 TKL?
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 09 December 2013, 23:56:47 »
Again, not derail the thread but I have a quick question about the elitekeyboards roof.
The keyboard I want to get has the dimensions of 1.25 x 14.00 x 5.50 inches

This converts to 31.75 x 355.6 x 139.7
The roof is  12 x 357 x 130

Would the roof fit on the Ducky Shine 3 TKL?

It should. If you look at the picture of the roof, it doesn't cover the outside boundaries of the keyboard, just the vertical aspect. Therefore, you could even put it on a full-size, it's just that parts would be sticking out. The first dimension, height, is different because it's only talking about height of keycaps. Your board should be fine. It appears to be long enough, but it is possible that it's not very tell, and that the main keys to Fn layer on your Shine might be greater. Best to message them, but I personally think it should be fine.
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 15:27:43 »
There's also these I discovered;

http://www.banggood.com/Acrylic-Keyboard-Protector-Dust-Cover-For-87-Mechanical-Keyboard-p-87811.html
http://www.banggood.com/Acrylic-Keyboard-Protector-Dust-Cover-For-104-Mechanical-Keyboard-p-89225.html
http://www.banggood.com/Acrylic-Keyboard-Protector-Dust-Cover-For-104-Mechanical-Keyboard-p-87813.html

Which look to be very similar in design to the one balanar, myself and others were brainstorming on in this thread; http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35825

I would order one but the dimensions show 2 versions of 104 (one taller, for clearence with legs up?), and only one for TKL which looks like it may only work with legs down... so convenience kinda outweighs it for me personally, as I have legs up on my kb

edit; I still am not sure if these work with kb legs up but I actually see the differences now.

The last one I linked from BG is for Realforce style kb's looks like
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Re: Which Keyboard Roof to use?
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 16:19:14 »
Hopefully this is the right area for this question.  Now that I've gone head first into this rabbits hole of an addiction, I'd like to take better care of my keyboard/s when I'm not using them.

I'm looking into the Elite Keyboard Keyboard Roof, but I'm wondering if there are other solutions I should consider first.  How many of you are using a keyboard roof type accessory, and what is your preferred model?

$30  :eek:

Maybe someone can start a GB for these, we get them cheaper then and with more colors!