How about.. the Logitech G710+?

[Fandom]

Hey peeps,

I know Logitech is related to funky rubber-dome keyboards for youngsters, but I believe they may have done some good with their G710+ last year. The prices are now going down and it is becoming an affordable keyboard, that sports MX brown switches with o-rings pre-installed (a nice touch that shows these guys know what a consumer might be looking for), a usb-out, some macro keys in case you want to configure some additional keybinds and a very nice media control button selection. Furthermore, it comes with Mac OS X software support and is widely available in Europe etc.

The cons for me is the high price (same or higher as CM storm stuff, but cheaper than Filco) and the big size (extra keys on the side take space). The aesthetics are something for each one to judge themselves

What do you think, could this keyboard be worth it for the typist? How would you compare it to the CM storm selections, or the more premium keyboards such as the Duckys?

[Pacifist]

0 rings suck

they only put them in there to make it quieter

most people who find out about the rings and then remove them find them way better

[bueller]

Yeah I think I rings are what lots of people try when they start out but most people don't use them.

[Grendel]

Rings are easy to add, I have them on all my boards. There is a reason the net is flooded w/ refurbished G710+, it's a POS IMHO. Caps are prone to break, legend placement is bad (shifted symbols aren't illuminated), soldering is shoddy (LED rows giving out), software is a PITA, backlight can't be controlled on a single LED level. No onboard memory, so you have to use LT's gaming software -- I couldn't make it remember my settings for those extra keys (may be fixed in the current version tho.) Besides that, the board is quite clunky, very thick and extra wide. I did not find it comfortable to use, if you want something to type on for extended periods of time I would say stay away.

Most 710 features can be found in the Corsair K70 (except extra keys and O-rings), check that one out. Between the two the K70 is way better IMHO. Else I would look at CM Storm XT boards if you want something no-nonsense HQ at Filco level.

[terran5992]

Just get a filco and add orings to the keycaps

[tbc]

personally find the g710 to be really ****ty.

I know where they were going with the default orings....but browns with orings is the worst switch imaginable (much, much worse than membrane).

try for the k95.  it still has macro keys (don't let the haters tell you no ).

[tp4tissue]

WASD keyboard DOES price gouge you for $20 on the Rings....

So..... we may consider another Rings GB, someone promised us a Rings GB a while back.. Haven't seeeeenn um'''

[Polymer]

0 rings suck

they only put them in there to make it quieter

most people who find out about the rings and then remove them find them way better

What is a better way?  To me thin o-rings are pretty ideal...Minimal change in travel.  Minimal change in feel.  Quieter.  And since I prefer cherry stabilizers..they make them feel similar. 

[epzy]

When I typed on the G710+ at my local store, it was just the most awful typing experience EVER. Would never, ever consider buying that keyboard. But that's just my experience/opinion.

[Fragil1ty]

I wouldn't use the G710+ nor o-rings, they're both bad from what I've heard about and experienced.

I've had friends who have used the G710+ and they didn't like it and ended up sending it back or something.

As o-rings, I've tried them on browns, blacks and reds and in all fairness? unless you're doing it so that you're able to have your favourite keyboard at work? it just makes the whole typing experience worse and the bottom line is? it's just not worth it.

[laffindude]

Most 710 features can be found in the Corsair K70 (except extra keys and O-rings), check that one out. Between the two the K70 is way better IMHO. Else I would look at CM Storm XT boards if you want something no-nonsense HQ at Filco level.

Aha. no. K70 use the same OEM as G710+

[Grendel]

Most 710 features can be found in the Corsair K70 (except extra keys and O-rings), check that one out. Between the two the K70 is way better IMHO. Else I would look at CM Storm XT boards if you want something no-nonsense HQ at Filco level.

Aha. no. K70 use the same OEM as G710+

Having used both boards, the K70 is the better of the two IMHO.

Edit: looking at the PCB's I'm sure they are not from the same OEM.

[Linkbane]

0 rings suck

they only put them in there to make it quieter

most people who find out about the rings and then remove them find them way better

Completely personal opinions. I find that o-rings bring out the best in browns, making them tactile and allowing them to rebound earlier; I actually really liked the G710+ when I tried it. Too expensive, though.

[Fandom]

Do the o-rings help against the dreaded 'ping' issue?

The G710+ does indeed look very big and clunky unfortunately. I do however fancy it's media controls. And the price is getting lower and lower for this keyboard, unlike the typical duckys/filcos that always remain in the same price spot. Any more opinions on this guys?

[Pacifist]

Do the o-rings help against the dreaded 'ping' issue?

The G710+ does indeed look very big and clunky unfortunately. I do however fancy it's media controls. And the price is getting lower and lower for this keyboard, unlike the typical duckys/filcos that always remain in the same price spot. Any more opinions on this guys?

not really. its better to do a drawer liner mod to get rid of ping

ducky/filco quality is not only better and you won't get a g710+ that will break in the first week, they get pretty cheap. a new zero is sub 100, zero shine sub 110.

media controls are meh, get a powermate if you need the media controls so badly

but seriously, the g710+ will most likely be defective, lots of people complain about the lights breaking

[epzy]

Do the o-rings help against the dreaded 'ping' issue?

The G710+ does indeed look very big and clunky unfortunately. I do however fancy it's media controls. And the price is getting lower and lower for this keyboard, unlike the typical duckys/filcos that always remain in the same price spot. Any more opinions on this guys?

Get a cheap anti-slip rubber mat and place it beneath your keyboard. Fixed my ping "issue".

http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00vCbEnwSGEorY/Non-Slip-and-Drainage-Rubber-Mats.jpg

Doesn't have to be that big, obviously.

[Pacifist]

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52677.0

my drawer liner mod

[Linkbane]

but seriously, the g710+ will most likely be defective, lots of people complain about the lights breaking

Most likely? Are you kidding? If more than a tiny fraction of Logitech's boards were defective, it would be immediately noticed (considering how many they sell). The likelihood that you'll receive a nonworking one is very small. Pacifist, you really not to not talk out of your rear.

[Pacifist]

but seriously, the g710+ will most likely be defective, lots of people complain about the lights breaking

Most likely? Are you kidding? If more than a tiny fraction of Logitech's boards were defective, it would be immediately noticed (considering how many they sell). The likelihood that you'll receive a nonworking one is very small. Pacifist, you really not to not talk out of your rear.

It happens more often than it should. Way more often. QC and general manufacturing should cover the amount of broken boards, but it hasn't. At this rate, its not a good buy unless you want to go with the hassle of RMAing.

And logitech's CS is ****, if you don't have the original receipt. I had a RD that was broken, and they wouldn't give me a replacement only because I didn't have the receipt.

[Linkbane]

It happens more often than it should. Way more often. QC and general manufacturing should cover the amount of broken boards, but it hasn't. At this rate, its not a good buy unless you want to go with the hassle of RMAing.

And logitech's CS is ****, if you don't have the original receipt. I had a RD that was broken, and they wouldn't give me a replacement only because I didn't have the receipt.

And you would know this rate and comparable rates from other companies by what means?
If you lose the receipt, I'm sorry to say but that's completely your fault. Other than your, I'm sure trustworthy, word, there is nothing preventing anyone else from doing the same with a year-old board.

[tbc]

bash the G710+ all you want...but really don't call their CS bad.  they provide apple store level of support over the phone and postal service...

[missalaire]

bash the G710+ all you want...but really don't call their CS bad.  they provide apple store level of support over the phone and postal service...

I've received good customer support from them when my Logitech G9x mouse went bad. I didn't even have to send in my defective mouse and they shipped me a replacement in 1-2 weeks.

[Polymer]

It happens more often than it should. Way more often. QC and general manufacturing should cover the amount of broken boards, but it hasn't. At this rate, its not a good buy unless you want to go with the hassle of RMAing.

And logitech's CS is ****, if you don't have the original receipt. I had a RD that was broken, and they wouldn't give me a replacement only because I didn't have the receipt.

The actual percentage of boards going bad is actually really low...Whether or not it has more problems than say a Filco is a different story.  Not sure where you're getting your data from but it is nowhere near as bad as you're making it out to be. 

You used to hear about issues w/ the LEDs when the G710+ first came out but you hear far less about it now.  The board itself is actually pretty solid and relatively quiet..It is probably the quietest stock Cherry MX keyboard out right now...Part of it is the o-rings, part of it is the design (IMO)> 

Unless the device has only been released for a few months (where the only way you could have one means it is within warranty) you should know better than to lose your receipts.  Just scan the stupid things into your computer.  That is your own fault, you've made your own mistake Logitech's issue. 

My experience with Logitech CS has been the opposite of you.  They've actually been very good with replacements.  Had the original G7 and it was really good but after a couple of years (I think it was a 3 year warranty) it had some issues and the replacements all had some wifi interference issues..but they have sent me several in an attempt to get it right.  Had a G5 that went bad, they replaced it with a G500.  Oddly enough all of their lower end gear I've had doesn't seem to want to give up the ghost at all. 

I'm not telling people to get the G710+...I don't like it cause it is full size...but it isn't that bad of a board and out of the gaming boards out there (full size + macros + media) it is probably one of the better ones..

[laffindude]

Edit: looking at the PCB's I'm sure they are not from the same OEM.

Why do people insist on spreading false information.

[Reomero]

Edit: looking at the PCB's I'm sure they are not from the same OEM.

Why do people insist on spreading false information.

The K70 and G710+ has the same OEM?

[wetto]

Edit: looking at the PCB's I'm sure they are not from the same OEM.

Why do people insist on spreading false information.

Based on what I've seen inside of both, they're pretty much the same OEM, especially since the keycaps have the same markings and all (B10-02 on both).



Left CTRL key of a Logitech G710+ and a Corsair Vengeance K70.

Corsair Vengeance K70's PCB:



Logitech G710+ PCB:



Anyways, the Logitech G710+ has the worst keycaps I've ever seen on a keyboard, the CTRL key on mine keeps jumping off the key while all others are also just loose as hell. I'd avoid it like it's a plague. It feels flimsy overall and the o-rings surely don't make it any better.

The Corsair Vengeance K70 has keycaps that seem to be from the same place, but somehow they don't suck just as much, but they're still far away from being good either.

[Grendel]

Edit: looking at the PCB's I'm sure they are not from the same OEM.

Why do people insist on spreading false information.

Good question.

Based on what I've seen inside of both, they're pretty much the same OEM, especially since the keycaps have the same markings and all (B10-02 on both).

Even if the caps are from the same OEM, that doesn't mean that the PCB's or cases are. The two PCB's have nothing in common and are most likely from different OEM's. Sure I could be wrong -- if someone has some better info, please, post it.

[Polymer]

Anyways, the Logitech G710+ has the worst keycaps I've ever seen on a keyboard, the CTRL key on mine keeps jumping off the key while all others are also just loose as hell. I'd avoid it like it's a plague. It feels flimsy overall and the o-rings surely don't make it any better.

Coolermaster Pro keycaps are far worse...To me the Logitech G710+ keycaps are just typical stock keycaps for a backlit keyboard..they're pretty average..

[laffindude]

Edit: looking at the PCB's I'm sure they are not from the same OEM.

Why do people insist on spreading false information.

Good question.

Based on what I've seen inside of both, they're pretty much the same OEM, especially since the keycaps have the same markings and all (B10-02 on both).

Even if the caps are from the same OEM, that doesn't mean that the PCB's or cases are. The two PCB's have nothing in common and are most likely from different OEM's. Sure I could be wrong -- if someone has some better info, please, post it.

No amount of denying will change the fact that Solid Year is building them.

[eddie]

My friend had a G710+ and I didn't really feel for the o rings and the keyboard was way to big for me. This is what I was going to get for a while but decided to lurk geek hack and found my noppoo choc mini which was a great decision (for me). So for me I wouldn't recommend it to be honest, but that is just because it didn't suite my own needs. I also didn't spend to much time with it, probably because the typing felt kind of off to me compared to my corsair k95 with reds that I also tried. Hope this helped

[wetto]

Edit: looking at the PCB's I'm sure they are not from the same OEM.

Why do people insist on spreading false information.

Good question.

Based on what I've seen inside of both, they're pretty much the same OEM, especially since the keycaps have the same markings and all (B10-02 on both).

Even if the caps are from the same OEM, that doesn't mean that the PCB's or cases are. The two PCB's have nothing in common and are most likely from different OEM's. Sure I could be wrong -- if someone has some better info, please, post it.

I got the confirmation from Carter Salley (the guy responsable for Cooler Master's periphericals) some time ago and Logitech G710+, CM Quick Fire TK and Corsair Vengeance keyboards come from the same manufacturer. He even told that Logitech closed the factory for a week just to fix some problems that were happening with their keyboards (LEDs dying, LEDs flickering, etc...).

But of course, no other company will admit that.

Anyways, I have no issues against them. Solid Year does a pretty good job at soldering, if not better than Costar, they're not slow as hell nor way too expensive and they sure expanded a lot these last 2 years because they know how to get the job done. My only issue against them is that the keycap quality is god damn awful.

Taiwanese OEMs such as Costar have it easy since there's already a good supplier in Taiwan that sells quality ABS keycaps and they don't have to worry about making them. Even Matias imports those keycaps from Taiwan into China just to use them on their keyboards and avoid using the crap chinese OEMs sell.

EDIT: I tried to use my Logitech G710+ just a little bit to test it a few minutes ago and I can confirm that the left CTRL key broke just like the G5 key did (the one on the left):



The plastic used is just cheap as hell...

[Grendel]

I got the confirmation from Carter Salley (the guy responsable for Cooler Master's periphericals) some time ago and Logitech G710+, CM Quick Fire TK and Corsair Vengeance keyboards come from the same manufacturer. He even told that Logitech closed the factory for a week just to fix some problems that were happening with their keyboards (LEDs dying, LEDs flickering, etc...).

Thanks, good to know. That would correlate with the K70 LED problems as well. (Corsair claims it's fixed now.)