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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 05 January 2014, 04:03:42 »
OH man... you JUST MISSED   3TB Western Digital RED for $90 a piece a few days ago.....
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hahaha
I just googled that yea.
From Tigerdirect right?
I like how the Florida's Attorney General Complaint Link + BBB's complaint page is listed with the deal hahahaha.


Who cares... People got in on that .... I got 4x with 4 addresses to avoid suspicion
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and at worst.. I could just call the CC company and get my money back...

That is true.
I will say I don't like 4myrebate.
My last purchase (around September) they denied my rebate saying that I basically had included nothing. I even documented everything I sent with a photo, right before I mailed it.
Those guys are a bunch of wankers.
Newegg gave me a courtesy gift card in the same amount though so I'm not that miffed.


I video tape when I put the rebate together....  My trump card move..  I just post it onto Youtube and say... OK watch it you ffff.ers    and after I even threaten the video, they usually give me the credit...

It's undeniable evidence... and it's really easy a 2 minute video, get all the things in focus with the numbers names and addresses and proof of purchase

So you put your name, address and receipts on YouTube?


On Topic......I can't speak for 2TB drives but in my work station my 1TB Seagate is a smidge faster than my 1TB black. Both have been going for ~3yrs with no issues.
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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 05 January 2014, 04:09:38 »
OH man... you JUST MISSED   3TB Western Digital RED for $90 a piece a few days ago.....
Show Image


hahaha
I just googled that yea.
From Tigerdirect right?
I like how the Florida's Attorney General Complaint Link + BBB's complaint page is listed with the deal hahahaha.


Who cares... People got in on that .... I got 4x with 4 addresses to avoid suspicion
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and at worst.. I could just call the CC company and get my money back...

That is true.
I will say I don't like 4myrebate.
My last purchase (around September) they denied my rebate saying that I basically had included nothing. I even documented everything I sent with a photo, right before I mailed it.
Those guys are a bunch of wankers.
Newegg gave me a courtesy gift card in the same amount though so I'm not that miffed.


I video tape when I put the rebate together....  My trump card move..  I just post it onto Youtube and say... OK watch it you ffff.ers    and after I even threaten the video, they usually give me the credit...

It's undeniable evidence... and it's really easy a 2 minute video, get all the things in focus with the numbers names and addresses and proof of purchase

So you put your name, address and receipts on YouTube?

Yes.... I used to use Youtube years ago, for the receipts because there weren't ways to send large emails..

Today, I could just email the video.


And if you're actually WORTH hacking...  it wouldn't be at all hard for a hacker to get to you...

It's like asking a master criminal to go rob a homeless person.. There's just not enough in it for him to bother..


Master Criminal hackers are scoring millions in stolen bitcoins... 

If they get my CC number and identity.. At best they'll get away with buying a tv or something on newegg.. which has happened to me before.. LOL..  CC company always refund though, because their insurance plan covers it.


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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 05 January 2014, 15:24:28 »
Listen to 127001, ignore everyone else who have no idea they're talking about.

(...and by everyone I basically mean kmiller8)

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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 05 January 2014, 16:23:08 »
Lately I have been favoring Seagate ST*000DM00*. They always seem to be a good price whenever I find myself needing more storage and those I have been solid so far. Sure Seagate had a rather bad patch and decline in quality when they absorbed Maxtor lines, but they have definitely improved again since absorbing Samsung. I've not had any problems with my Hitachi or Toshiba drives either. Seem to end up never buying WD since they always are more expensive and I don't see any point.
Personally I can't wait for hdd to go away. If I could afford to, or if suddenly ssd became the same price per TB I would replace all hdd tomorrow.

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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #54 on: Sun, 05 January 2014, 17:49:28 »
Listen to 127001, ignore everyone else who have no idea they're talking about.

(...and by everyone I basically mean kmiller8)

Pretty much. I'll add a plus one for RAID. It's not expensive at all and just requires 2 or 3 drives. No other hardware is needed.


Lately I have been favoring Seagate ST*000DM00*. They always seem to be a good price whenever I find myself needing more storage and those I have been solid so far. Sure Seagate had a rather bad patch and decline in quality when they absorbed Maxtor lines, but they have definitely improved again since absorbing Samsung. I've not had any problems with my Hitachi or Toshiba drives either. Seem to end up never buying WD since they always are more expensive and I don't see any point.
Personally I can't wait for hdd to go away. If I could afford to, or if suddenly ssd became the same price per TB I would replace all hdd tomorrow.

This guy seems to have real experience as well and is correct about Maxtor being crap. You can't go wrong with Seagate or WD as long as you don't go with the "green" or power saving models. I tend to prefer Seagate for the same reason as Ivan.
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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 05 January 2014, 18:12:16 »
My only experience for the last 12 years is with WD Blues & Blacks...never a failure.
Sometimes, it depends on where you are at and how things are shipped to you. You should always be aware of how much possible damage can occur with the shipping companies who service you or your area.
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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #56 on: Sun, 05 January 2014, 19:41:18 »
Any drive can and will fail. Even the best brands can fizz out after a few months or 2 years. It's all happened to me before, so the conclusion is that reliable and long-lasting, a harddisk is not. Period. Clunky old 500 MB drives lasted a long time, yes, but the new stuff's all shiny and ****ty rolled into one - made to fail after a time.

Buy cheap, buy different brands and use RAID if you want to carry on through a failure. But as it was said, if you have no trouble filling and re-filling that drive with the stuff you want, reliability might not even be your primary concern here.

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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 05 January 2014, 19:50:09 »
This thread in a nutshell
>Don't spend $60 extra on a good hard drive
>Spend $140 extra to get two ****ty hard drives

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« Reply #58 on: Sun, 05 January 2014, 19:52:59 »
I wouldn't knock a WD Red at all, that was more a reference to 'harddrive monoculture' where you buy a couple of drives that are the same model. Then you end up with all of them being from the same manufacturing batch and boom.

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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 05 January 2014, 20:15:43 »
This thread in a nutshell
>Don't spend $60 extra on a good hard drive
>Spend $140 extra to get two ****ty hard drives

Or rather....

 Don't spend $60 extra on a technically better hard drive which will actually make next to zero difference for the purposes you want the drive for.

 Two cheap hard drives in a raid array are a much better proposition than a better drive, for the purposes you want the drive for.

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« Reply #60 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 10:12:13 »
1) crap
2) Literally the worst choice on the board
3) crap
4) crap

Get a WD Caviar Black, never look back.

WUT... caviar greens are good for secondary drives as they power down when not in use, which saves on energy, you only need the black (which is always on) when it is a heavy use drive.
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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 10:41:37 »
1) crap
2) Literally the worst choice on the board
3) crap
4) crap

Get a WD Caviar Black, never look back.

WUT... caviar greens are good for secondary drives as they power down when not in use, which saves on energy, you only need the black (which is always on) when it is a heavy use drive.

They are horrible when using some file systems, in particular a few linux ones, which regularly write a little to the disk. This causes it to park excessively and eventually causes a premature failure of the disk because of the large number of park cycles.

Edit: The older WD greens could have this feature turned off by flashing them but the newer ones had that feature locked in order to force the buyer to select a more expensive drive which lacked this "feature".

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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 12:41:57 »
On my home Ubuntu server I have an old (really old... purchased in 2007) WD 250GB hard drive. This drive gets fairly minimal use (it's not a media server or anything, mainly it's just for SSH/git, a few small services I wrote, and hosting a low-traffic game or two).

However, I know the hard drive is dying. The damn thing is 7 years old, it needs to be shot. What would be the best drive to get to replace it? I'm open to an SSD setup too.

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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 14:52:11 »
If you don't need a lot of storage space, I see no reason not to replace hdd with ssd whenever possible. Grab a Samsung EVO and call it a day.

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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 15:10:13 »
If you don't need a lot of storage space, I see no reason not to replace hdd with ssd whenever possible. Grab a Samsung EVO and call it a day.

besides price right?
and using a SSD for storage media?  $300+ for a 500GB SSD sounds like a plan!

OP, just go with the WD Greens, they're fine for storage devices for your average window user.

I myself used them in my computers for years along with Seagates and WD Blacks.  As a storage device there's really no reason to spend the $$ on a Black Drive unless you'll be accessing the data on that drive frequently.

Oh and if you wanna buy a 2TB WD Green HDD i'll sell you one for $70.00
I used to use that to store stuff b4 I moved my computer to the 350D and only have 2 HDD racks.

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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 15:39:15 »
OP already made a choice and is set. I was replying that last to daerid. As we know hdd is biggest bottleneck in a 21st century computer. For any use beside static storage ssd is the way to go in my eyes.
You're certainly right, with current prices you would have to have much more money than sense to go with ssd for static file storage. Prices do keep coming down on larger capacity ssd though. It's only a matter of time before we reach equilibrium with hdd prices and hdd start to phase out.

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« Reply #66 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 18:47:45 »
Screw NAND SSDs! Where are the danmed civilian/consumer phase change SSDs already!?

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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 19:38:31 »
Hitachi has made some great hard drives for the past 5 years. They were acquired by WD and go under the name HGST Storage now. You can buy the drives in an external enclosure and remove them and end up with a 7200rpm drive at a much lower cost then the WD blacks.

I've yet to have a single drive fail and I've got 20+ of the 2TB drives.

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« Reply #68 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 05:44:27 »
I currently have a couple of Samsung drives, couple of Hitachi, and just bought my 2nd Toshiba 3tb (got my first a couple of weeks ago)
Went for the Toshiba drives since they offered a longer warranty at the same price point, and since they're just for media performance isn't an issue whatsoever.
Not had any problems with any of those drives so far :) Only drive I've had die on my was a WD Blue I believe, and within a couple of months, as others have said, drives will often die very quickly or not for years and years.
In the UK the price of black drives is just extortionate sadly, even though the warranty is nice.

If it's just for media I would base it quite a lot on warranty, since performance doesn't matter and everyone will probably be able to tell you of someone who had a drive from x manufacturer and it died early etc.
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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 06:48:31 »
Every WD drive I ever bought for my own use died on me. I used to sell PC's as a side business until fairly recently and by far the highest failure rate was with WD drives. Seagates were decent, but still had some failures (particularly the higher rpm Baracuda line).

Toshiba drives (laptop drives in particular) have a high failure rate, too.

Hitachi drives were very good until Toshiba bought them. I haven't bought one recently, so I'm not sure if they've bacome as bad as the Toshibas or are still good, but worth researching.

Very early Samsungs died easily, but their quality improved quickly and they became the "go-to" brand for me until they were bought by Seagate (even then, I still use them).

Not sure what the latest WD drives are like nowadays, but I stay away on principle, since their track record with me has been absolutely appalling.

At the moment I would recommend a low rpm Samsung drive, based on personal and friend's experiences. It seems they are still a little better than the equivalent Seagates even though they are supposed to have been made by the same company (perhaps the QA is just a little better or the process or materials used are different somehow).

I'd also recommend looking into Hitachis, to see what people are saying about them since I don't have recent experience with them, but going on their old drives, they are worth a look.

Lower rpm drives have a lower failure rate in general.

TLDR: Get a low rpm Samsung, Seagate or Hitachi rather than any Western Digital or Toshiba.
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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 09:06:11 »
Every WD drive I ever bought for my own use died on me. I used to sell PC's as a side business until fairly recently and by far the highest failure rate was with WD drives. Seagates were decent, but still had some failures (particularly the higher rpm Baracuda line).

Toshiba drives (laptop drives in particular) have a high failure rate, too.

Hitachi drives were very good until Toshiba bought them. I haven't bought one recently, so I'm not sure if they've bacome as bad as the Toshibas or are still good, but worth researching.

Very early Samsungs died easily, but their quality improved quickly and they became the "go-to" brand for me until they were bought by Seagate (even then, I still use them).

Not sure what the latest WD drives are like nowadays, but I stay away on principle, since their track record with me has been absolutely appalling.

At the moment I would recommend a low rpm Samsung drive, based on personal and friend's experiences. It seems they are still a little better than the equivalent Seagates even though they are supposed to have been made by the same company (perhaps the QA is just a little better or the process or materials used are different somehow).

I'd also recommend looking into Hitachis, to see what people are saying about them since I don't have recent experience with them, but going on their old drives, they are worth a look.

Lower rpm drives have a lower failure rate in general.

TLDR: Get a low rpm Samsung, Seagate or Hitachi rather than any Western Digital or Toshiba.

that is interesting, i have never had any WD drives fail on me,  the oldest one i have is around 7 years old.
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« Reply #71 on: Sat, 18 January 2014, 08:47:45 »
I had three WD5000AAKS fail on me, all within two years of getting them. Two I bought, one was a replacement. And then they claimed I'd scratched the last one I sent in for warranty. Every Samsung monitor I bought died shortly after warranty expired as well.

Like I said. Everybody's got a failure story with Brand X and there are no exceptions. Look at good warranties more than good drive specs. The 5 year warranty on my external Seagate already made it a good investment. Yep, I had to send that in, too.

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« Reply #72 on: Sun, 19 January 2014, 14:25:44 »
Both of my WD externals failed. a 500gb a couple years ago and now my 1tb :(

I just ordered this for my new external:
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_Electra_6G]http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_Electra_6G/]http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_Electra_6G

Both of my internals are Seagate Barracudas..  Running great..

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« Reply #73 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 07:38:50 »
Stumbled over this article earlier

http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/01/21/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/

27,134 hard drives "tested" :eek:

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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #74 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 07:44:30 »
Stumbled over this article earlier

http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/01/21/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/

27,134 hard drives "tested" :eek:

The seagates do 270MB/s peak 130MB/s inner ring..  those hitachi's put out 160MB/s peak 100MB/s inner ring...

Soooooo.... that makes a difference..   

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Re: Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive.
« Reply #75 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 12:45:20 »
As usual seagate results get super skewed by a few turd models. I still think all the terrible ones come from the old Maxtor lines. They are still some of the fastest consumer grade hdd.

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« Reply #76 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 12:56:55 »
As usual seagate results get super skewed by a few turd models. I still think all the terrible ones come from the old Maxtor lines. They are still some of the fastest consumer grade hdd.

lol "a few" with all 7 of the seagate models used having a higher failure rate than any hitachi or western digital drive.

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« Reply #77 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 13:01:05 »
I'm late to the party but I love my 3TB Seagate Barracuda.
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« Reply #78 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 13:04:57 »
I'm late to the party but I love my 3TB Seagate Barracuda.

^^ this x6

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« Reply #79 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 13:40:35 »
I'm late to the party but I love my 3TB Seagate Barracuda.

^^ this x6

That's my graduation present to myself in May.  Can't wait to have a stupid amount of storage.
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« Reply #80 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 14:43:00 »
Heheh. I had been thinking about starting again the rolling capacity upgrade to 4TB in my home server to replace all the 2TB I have now. They are all at 75% filled now so it's a good time to really start coming up with a plan. It's amazing how fast space goes when hording HD movies/tv shows... plus keeping a backup of all games so don't have to download them again and wait hours to install over steam. It's crazy how big some games are these days pushing into 30GB.

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« Reply #81 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 16:33:02 »
Heheh. I had been thinking about starting again the rolling capacity upgrade to 4TB in my home server to replace all the 2TB I have now. They are all at 75% filled now so it's a good time to really start coming up with a plan. It's amazing how fast space goes when hording HD movies/tv shows... plus keeping a backup of all games so don't have to download them again and wait hours to install over steam. It's crazy how big some games are these days pushing into 30GB.

The security decreases with larger drives. I made a quite stupid choice once of selecting 2TB drives instead of twice as many 1TB drives. The latter is statistically far safer if you put them in a raid array. The rebuild time becomes too long with fewer larger drives compared to a larger number of smaller ones, and the risk of another failure increases since the time window increases. With a larger number, the rebuild times are faster and it allows for a larger number of redundant disks. Example:
three 2TB + one 2TB spare
six 1TB + two 1TB spares
The above two are equal in size and wasted space, but the latter can withstand one more disk failure and rebuilds faster, meaning less time for another disk to fail during the rebuild.

Edit. Not directed towards Ivan, but more of a general comment. I didn't know this when I selected the sizes of my disks. I have considered swapping mine for smaller ones.

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« Reply #82 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 17:02:46 »
I don't deal with raid for home use. It just seems totally pointless to me. Too much higher cost and extra risk for too little benefit. These days I mostly use Windows servers, and take advantage of the libraries features for shares. It's nice to have crap across 2-4 disk but still appear to be in same folder. I also tend use itx for servers so generally am limited to 4-6 disk. If you don't use big disk, then you don't have much storage per box.
Otherwise if I use something besides Windows I use BSD with ZFS.
Even if I were to set up something for business, I would prefer to go with some high performance SAS stuff and use ZFS. It gives you all the benefits of raid5/6, but generally have much faster rebuild... and if the controller frys you can move the ZFS array to ANYTHING. I've had to deal with trying to migrate arrays to another controller when original had failed and it was impossible to find exact replacement as it had EOL for some time... it can be very unpleasant.

As far as I am concerned, it doesn't matter in any case if disk fail in single, raid or whatever. If that is only copy it was a very silly choice.

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« Reply #83 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 17:47:45 »
I too am a proponent of ZFS and software raid. It was more of a pointer to anyone interested in building their own NAS or similar solution that larger disk=less reliable.

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« Reply #84 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 17:54:56 »
In my current desktop I have a Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB ST31500341AS and a Seagate Barracuda 1TB ST1000DM003. Now I have the 240GB OWC 6G Mercury SSD External. Id love to swap my internals for a 240GB OWC 6G Pro SSD and a 3TB Seagate Barracuda.