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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1850 on: Thu, 12 April 2018, 14:37:39 »

I use pencil mostly anyways (engineering). I've recently found 0.4mm mechanical pencils, which are pretty well perfect. I also use 0.2, 0.3, 0.5, 0.7, and 0.9, for various purposes.



I haven't seen any serious engineering done outside of CAD for 30 yrs..  except red pencil markups by the seniors, hahahaha


I guess the architect , model builder guy still draws and uses pencil..  But he's known as engineering-lite around the office..

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I'm talking about pencil VS pen.

For doing math and solving problems by hand, pencil is the way to go.
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1851 on: Thu, 12 April 2018, 18:40:26 »
Not to mention, there are the whole artistic and tactile aspects to using different writing instruments.  It's not all about efficiency all the time.  I sketch with pencil and fountain pens beyond writing.

Agreed about solving problems by hand in pencil.  Though I've wasted a fair amount of printer paper on many-line integrals using a skinny felt-tip marker pen too.
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1852 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 13:07:28 »
Resurrecting this thread as handwriting only requires one hand so it's something I can actually do - please see pictures.

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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1853 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 14:14:36 »
After four months of not using them, I'm using fountain pens now more frequently at work. Had to give them proper cleanings!

I was in a meeting the other day and someone was using a Meisterstuck. I asked him about it and he said it was an heirloom. I tried to engage in a discussion of fountain pens but after he changed topics too soon I realized his knowledge didn't extend beyond what was in his hand. Still, it was a beaut, and now I bring in my pens during meetings!

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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1854 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 21:59:01 »
Resurrecting this thread as handwriting only requires one hand so it's something I can actually do - please see pictures.


Nice pens. Always liked them Parker Duofold/Vacumatics. Fude de Mannen is an unusual choice unless you like it for drawing or write asian characters.
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1855 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 22:46:59 »

PPS I also need to work on spacing between words and sticking closer to the line.
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1856 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 23:31:35 »
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PPS I also need to work on spacing between words and sticking closer to the line.

Some of the words appear a bit shaky as well.

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« Reply #1857 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 23:34:29 »
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PPS I also need to work on spacing between words and sticking closer to the line.

Some of the words appear a bit shaky as well.

Usually has to do with whether I try using my ornate or actual handwriting and sometimes swapping mid-word.
When going very slowly to focus on the ornate-ness, shaky hand syndrome can have devastating effects on curves especially. Once I get into it and use quicker strokes, those shakes tend to disappear.
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1858 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 04:54:45 »
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Nice pens. Always liked them Parker Duofold/Vacumatics. Fude de Mannen is an unusual choice unless you like it for drawing or write asian characters.

Thanks, I thought when buying an Asian pen I should get a matching nib and it's possible to do some nice standard letters with it but sadlly I'm not capable.  Bought it long ago (2011!) intending to improve but never have...  Short of learning to write left handed (which I can't do at the moment) so all muscle memory is bypassed I'm not sure how to proceed - squared paper and back to primary school style writing a line of 'Aa Bb Cc...'?  I always want to skip to the advanced aspects in whatever I do but it just doesn't work here, my pen control is awful as evident in my inconsist samples.
                               
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1859 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 05:37:55 »

Thanks, I thought when buying an Asian pen I should get a matching nib and it's possible to do some nice standard letters with it but sadlly I'm not capable.  Bought it long ago (2011!) intending to improve but never have...  Short of learning to write left handed (which I can't do at the moment) so all muscle memory is bypassed I'm not sure how to proceed - squared paper and back to primary school style writing a line of 'Aa Bb Cc...'?  I always want to skip to the advanced aspects in whatever I do but it just doesn't work here, my pen control is awful as evident in my inconsist samples.

It's not that bad, your current handwriting is perfectly legible.

I've found that the key to improving your handwriting is to slow down. Make deliberate, conscious strokes, focus on getting the strokes and letter joins (if doing cursive) properly done. Fast, repetitive practice without conscious attention paid usually does nothing except reinforce old bad habits. It'll take a while but your muscle memory eventually gets retrained, after which you can pick up speed again. It's little like learning how to type - go for accuracy/quality over speed first. Speed comes later.

If you find it difficult to separate your daily scribbling from focused practiced sessions, picking up a calligraphy-type hand might help to put you in a different mental space. Looking at the obliques you have on your Parkers, I'd recommend you look at something like Chancery Italic.

The habits and control gained from the slower paced calligraphy practice will eventually seep over into your regular hand.
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1860 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 06:12:45 »
It's not that bad, your current handwriting is perfectly legible.
And that's half the problem - I don't need to improve.  But looking at any join the height and spacing are completely random even in the same same session with the same pen and letters are just as bad - for example my lower case e sometimes has a hole in and sometimes doesn't and the tail of my g is sometimes flat and sometimes curves upwards.  'Not bad' is not the same as 'good' while I aspire to 'exceptional' - Frosty's getting there.

I never have to write so the confusion between learning and scribbling is not going to be a problem, I will look for a new 'font' that appeals and start slow.  Thanks for the tips :thumb:
                               
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1861 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 22:00:00 »
It's not that bad, your current handwriting is perfectly legible.
And that's half the problem - I don't need to improve.  But looking at any join the height and spacing are completely random even in the same same session with the same pen and letters are just as bad - for example my lower case e sometimes has a hole in and sometimes doesn't and the tail of my g is sometimes flat and sometimes curves upwards.  'Not bad' is not the same as 'good' while I aspire to 'exceptional' - Frosty's getting there.

I never have to write so the confusion between learning and scribbling is not going to be a problem, I will look for a new 'font' that appeals and start slow.  Thanks for the tips :thumb:

Looks good,  I had alot of trouble with straight flex nib until I gave up and oriented the paper in angle of the italic.

This helped the flex come out more evenly and with tighter control.

Don't own any obliques atm, broke my previous one. hesitant to re-open pen shopping..

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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1862 on: Sat, 13 October 2018, 20:34:09 »
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PPS I also need to work on spacing between words and sticking closer to the line.

I was hoping that if I got a fountain pen (currently have around a dozen of various types), it might improve my writing.

Something like this was what I had in mind.

It did not :))
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1863 on: Sat, 13 October 2018, 21:15:06 »
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PPS I also need to work on spacing between words and sticking closer to the line.

I was hoping that if I got a fountain pen (currently have around a dozen of various types), it might improve my writing.

Something like this was what I had in mind.

It did not :))

Start writing real letters to people..

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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1864 on: Sat, 13 October 2018, 21:17:04 »
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PPS I also need to work on spacing between words and sticking closer to the line.

I was hoping that if I got a fountain pen (currently have around a dozen of various types), it might improve my writing.

Something like this was what I had in mind.

It did not :))

Start writing real letters to people..

Do the people have to be real?
Do they have to be 3D?
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1866 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 12:21:10 »
Are there any fountain pens that don't get thinner towards the nib?  Lightly gripping (supposedly a good thing) a shiny section just means my fingers slip towards the nib which is getting old fast.
                               
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1867 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 22:19:18 »
Are there any fountain pens that don't get thinner towards the nib?  Lightly gripping (supposedly a good thing) a shiny section just means my fingers slip towards the nib which is getting old fast.

A very slight taper on the grip section is common, and even desired; perhaps look at those with a flared lip if your fingers keep slipping towards the nib. But there's probably enough pens out there with a mostly straight section that you won't be starved for choice. As for specific recommendations, a stated budget would help narrow it down.
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1868 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 22:32:36 »
Are there any fountain pens that don't get thinner towards the nib?  Lightly gripping (supposedly a good thing) a shiny section just means my fingers slip towards the nib which is getting old fast.

A very slight taper on the grip section is common, and even desired; perhaps look at those with a flared lip if your fingers keep slipping towards the nib. But there's probably enough pens out there with a mostly straight section that you won't be starved for choice. As for specific recommendations, a stated budget would help narrow it down.


There's no right or wrong way (short of too much pressure/pain)..

Anything that gets the job done.. you can grab the pen however you like, regardless of what the shape/design suggests you hold it..


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« Reply #1869 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 22:54:45 »
Are there any fountain pens that don't get thinner towards the nib?  Lightly gripping (supposedly a good thing) a shiny section just means my fingers slip towards the nib which is getting old fast.

A very slight taper on the grip section is common, and even desired; perhaps look at those with a flared lip if your fingers keep slipping towards the nib. But there's probably enough pens out there with a mostly straight section that you won't be starved for choice. As for specific recommendations, a stated budget would help narrow it down.


There's no right or wrong way (short of too much pressure/pain)..

Anything that gets the job done.. you can grab the pen however you like, regardless of what the shape/design suggests you hold it..



In theory sure. Not always true in practice, and that is why one person would prefer a Pilot to a Sailor, and another might like the BIC over fountain pens. Humans are idiosyncratic creatures.
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1870 on: Mon, 15 October 2018, 06:07:17 »
There's no right or wrong way (short of too much pressure/pain)..

Anything that gets the job done.. you can grab the pen however you like, regardless of what the shape/design suggests you hold it..
Absolutely, no designer is going to dictate how I use something I've bought!

Found a book from last I was in this mood (who knows how many years ago :-[) and according to that I grip too tight.  I still questioned it until I actually started writing for more than a couple of minutes and got cramp, so I've had to admit I fail at stage 1.

A very slight taper on the grip section is common, and even desired; perhaps look at those with a flared lip if your fingers keep slipping towards the nib. But there's probably enough pens out there with a mostly straight section that you won't be starved for choice. As for specific recommendations, a stated budget would help narrow it down.

Why would this be desirable?  If you grip tightly with a sweaty hand you can be on the nib in no time and if you grip lightly it just slides slowly which affects the size of your writing.  Straight would be better but it's still going to slide unless you grip hard... I must be missing something when it's so common but I'm trying to start afresh questioning everything and my inky finger says it's not good.

Recommendations? Must be a fat pen, and if it were free that would be lovely :))  The Visconti Homo Sapiens with it's alleged rubbery texture and hydroscopic properties sounds perfect especially as it has a little flare near the nib.  Far from free though!
                               
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Re: Geekhack Handwriting Thread and Fountain Pen Thread
« Reply #1871 on: Mon, 15 October 2018, 06:44:42 »

Why would this be desirable?  If you grip tightly with a sweaty hand you can be on the nib in no time and if you grip lightly it just slides slowly which affects the size of your writing.  Straight would be better but it's still going to slide unless you grip hard... I must be missing something when it's so common but I'm trying to start afresh questioning everything and my inky finger says it's not good.


It is desirable (evidently arguable) because a taper accommodates for people with different preferences with respect to section girth; not everyone grips their pens at the same spot. For example, my fingers rest on where there usually are threads, and I prefer a longer section when it's available. I do write with pens varying designs though.

I must admit, the pens that you already have, i.e. the Parker Duofold and the Sailor 1911 are actually pretty good pens as they come. Getting a new pen is always nice, and in certain cases, a differently designed pen does make it easier to hold; i.e. you're gonna find a tapered, hooded nib pen like the L2K terrible. But the root of the issue is probably a problem with your fundamental technique.

Maybe share a few pictures of how you hold your pen?

Also, going through the lessons here might help: https://palmermethod.com/

Recommendations? Must be a fat pen, and if it were free that would be lovely :))  The Visconti Homo Sapiens with it's alleged rubbery texture and hydroscopic properties sounds perfect especially as it has a little flare near the nib.  Far from free though!

The Visconti Homo Sapiens is kinda overrated. YMMV. Thought about getting one several times, but always changed my mind after trying the pen in person. Several times across the last few years.
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