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Offline macroxue

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Re: fixing the ergodox thumb section
« Reply #200 on: Tue, 16 July 2019, 18:57:56 »
I tried Ergodox and used only the four 2u thumb keys, so having fewer keys is not necessarily a disadvantage. I will like Redox's layout better, especially 1.25u keys next to thumb clusters.

I'm digging this old thread up, because as far as I'm concerned, the Redox keyboard might be a nice solution to fix the Ergodox thumb section:

https://hackaday.io/project/160610-redox-keyboard

Sure, it has fewer thumb buttons, but they're in better places and therefore actually useable.

What do you think?
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Re: fixing the ergodox thumb section
« Reply #201 on: Wed, 24 July 2019, 21:43:04 »
I'm digging this old thread up, because as far as I'm concerned, the Redox keyboard might be a nice solution to fix the Ergodox thumb section:

https://hackaday.io/project/160610-redox-keyboard

Sure, it has fewer thumb buttons, but they're in better places and therefore actually useable.

What do you think?

The position of the 2 thumb keys (look like 1.5u on the redox?) seem to be in the exact same position as the Ergodox. If anything the problem with the Ergodox thumb keys is not the amount of keys, but rather the distance of the thumb key from the home row hand position, which for most people could stand to be moved closer, so that the first thumb sits under the B key (assuming QWERTY).
That said though, it is a nice alternative to the ergodox, though i don't think it really solves the problem unless you just want less keys, and for that there's a bunch of other alternatives with better thumb placement.

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Re: fixing the ergodox thumb section
« Reply #202 on: Thu, 25 July 2019, 02:37:10 »
For me, the biggest problem of the Ergodox is that there is this huge gap where the space bar should be, i.e. where your thumbs rest naturally. Thus, even to just hit space, you need to move your thumb. That's what I like better with the Redox; there is this 1.25u (?) key right next to the vertical thumb keys which fills this gap.

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Re: fixing the ergodox thumb section
« Reply #203 on: Mon, 05 August 2019, 08:51:14 »
For me, the biggest problem of the Ergodox is that there is this huge gap where the space bar should be, i.e. where your thumbs rest naturally. Thus, even to just hit space, you need to move your thumb.

I very much agree with this.

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Re: fixing the ergodox thumb section
« Reply #204 on: Sat, 10 August 2019, 09:05:57 »
The problem is Tenting. If you are not using the keyboard tented @ 55 Degrees, the space bar position requires a slight wrist rotation to hit.

But tented, this is not the case at all, and the position of the space bar feels very natural.

Tenting is a KEY erognomic feature.  if anyone is using the Ergodox Un-Tented,  that's the problem, not the thumb cluster.

The thumb cluster is FINE, it is almost the exact spacing as the maltron,  how come no one complains about the maltron thumb cluster,  BECAUSE , the maltron has a built in slope akin to Tenting an Ergodox.

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Re: fixing the ergodox thumb section
« Reply #205 on: Mon, 12 August 2019, 00:51:01 »
I'm digging this old thread up, because as far as I'm concerned, the Redox keyboard might be a nice solution to fix the Ergodox thumb section:

https://hackaday.io/project/160610-redox-keyboard

Sure, it has fewer thumb buttons, but they're in better places and therefore actually useable.

What do you think?
This is pretty good. Definitely better than Ergodox for most hand shapes. But I think it puts the thumb keys a bit too close to the finger keys (e.g. the one under n/m keys). thatís where the spacebar is on a standard keyboard, but itís not really the ideal spot. I found that it worked best for me to orient 1.25u keys the other way and scoot them a little bit. The second row of thumb keys in each 4-key block is especially a reach (on a standard keyboard, try using your thumbs to press the B key to see how this feels). But if these are used for slightly less common functions and have tall keycaps itís not too bad (their use of uniform DSA caps is a bad choice; but this is something that anyone could fix by just putting different keycaps on).

Making the inner index finger row closer is not helpful (puts the n/b in a less reachable position).

Their stagger for the keys is not as aggressive as I would prefer, making the natural hand orientation on that keyboard a bit rotated relative to the columns.

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