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« on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 02:05:33 »
Hey guys.. I'm totally down with DIY..

But I don't have much experience with cars.. outside of oil change, brakes, rotors, timing belt, fuses, the plug and play stuff.....


If I were to get an R32.. ~20k..   would it be very difficult to take care of ?

Like, would there be too many things that I wouldn't be able to do myself, and have to get it done at the shop, and get ripped off ?




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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 02:32:50 »
I'm assuming you mean skyline when you say r32 and not the all-wheel drive golf. 

I had a roommate a few years ago that helped a guy that imported japanese gray market cars like these into the US and every single one of them was an utter nightmare to look at in depth.  Yeah, it's cool to have a JDM as **** car and all (in fact, I contemplated buying an r33). But most commercially available have been cut into pieces and had the drivetrain separated from the vehicle just to get into the borders and then they're typically put back together by the cheapest and shadiest of shade tree operations, the amount of just unsafe and completely broken things are pretty astounding.  A lot of the cars ran terrible, the interiors were effectively a seat or two seats bolted directly to the metal and body parts were hung and "secured" with baling wire, hopes and dreams.

 If you're willing to tackle what could be a multi year project as you go back over everything with a fine tooth comb, most of it is easily DIY (all if you can figure out tuning the electronic systems and have a robust enough garage and tools to do the work), but good luck ever finding even the simplest of replacement parts that don't have a JDM bro-tax tacked on locally, if they're available without importing from japan at all.

So I guess to directly answer what you're asking, no, there's nothing you couldn't do with the right tools and information (which is all over the web).  But the labor is the simple part when parts are difficult to attain at all here in the US.  And that's what killed the dream for me; at the time I was driving all over and I didn't ever want to be stuck in a strange town because a belt or some other easy to replace piece broke that no one within a 200 mile area had available and that feels like a big risk with skylines before the current model.

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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 10:31:50 »
Thx tj

You've effectively killed my dreams as well..




Guess I'm gonna have to wait until I'm super rich so I can buy a fully put together one..


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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 10:42:18 »
Cars are overrated. Get a bicycle!
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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 10:56:52 »
Cars are overrated. Get a bicycle!

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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 12:07:02 »
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Re: Car Question..
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 13:06:56 »
buy a truck..........

I thought about it.... but parking..

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 13:11:13 »
Skylines and R32 Golfs are both gorgeous..

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Re: Car Question..
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 13:26:38 »
The Infiniti G35/G37 coupe is more or less a U.S. version of the Skyline.

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 13:27:56 »
The Infiniti G35/G37 coupe is more or less a U.S. version of the Skyline.

no it's not !!  there are only 3 versions of the skyline r32 r33 r34.. end of skyline..

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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 13:35:05 »
no it's not !!  there are only 3 versions of the skyline r32 r33 r34.. end of skyline..
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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 13:40:41 »
no it's not !!  there are only 3 versions of the skyline r32 r33 r34.. end of skyline..
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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 13:43:08 »
Either the Skyline or the VW, I wouldn't buy one unless you can turn a wrench, or willing to  loan/buy tools, watch videos, and follow DIY guides posted online to fix/maintain it on your own (except for major services like timing belts, clutches, etc, and even then you can pull off some of the repairs on your own)

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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 16:41:12 »
The Infiniti G35/G37 coupe is more or less a U.S. version of the Skyline.

no it's not !!  there are only 3 versions of the skyline r32 r33 r34.. end of skyline..
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Re: Car Question..
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 16:45:38 »
Rb25 swap....
Are you looking for a driver focused car?
If you want a light, fun car to trot around town why not an frs?

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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 17:19:24 »
Rb25 swap....
Are you looking for a driver focused car?
If you want a light, fun car to trot around town why not an frs?


new miata

If you want a fun project car, get a WRX and the factory 5 racing kit https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/design/

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Rb25 swap....
Are you looking for a driver focused car?
If you want a light, fun car to trot around town why not an frs?


new miata

If you want a fun project car, get a WRX and the factory 5 racing kit https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/design/

Ah forgot about it. Supposed to be lighter than last gen. About 200lbs.
The new wrx's FA20DIT is one hell of an engine. Really torquey.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 17:35:08 »


Rb25 swap....
Are you looking for a driver focused car?
If you want a light, fun car to trot around town why not an frs?


new miata

If you want a fun project car, get a WRX and the factory 5 racing kit https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/design/

Ah forgot about it. Supposed to be lighter than last gen. About 200lbs.
The new wrx's FA20DIT is one hell of an engine. Really torquey.
And that compression ratio!

The cool part about the car is that you can set the engine up as a mid-engine RWD, which is what the kit does. I think it's be a pretty legit car for $15K ($10k kit and $5k car) and some work.

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 17:37:36 »


Rb25 swap....
Are you looking for a driver focused car?
If you want a light, fun car to trot around town why not an frs?


new miata

If you want a fun project car, get a WRX and the factory 5 racing kit https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/design/

Ah forgot about it. Supposed to be lighter than last gen. About 200lbs.
The new wrx's FA20DIT is one hell of an engine. Really torquey.
And that compression ratio!

The cool part about the car is that you can set the engine up as a mid-engine RWD, which is what the kit does. I think it's be a pretty legit car for $15K ($10k kit and $5k car) and some work.



But I wanted the R32...

The web says imports are legal now that it's >25 years..  Now I just gotta go through some japanese people who know reputable tuners over there... I think I might just do a 30k car all tuning done over there, less diy on my end.. and then have that shipped.. 

My car guy tells me, the tuner shop in japan can modify the car so it passes for street legal, and undo those changes electronically once I get the sticker..  I didn't know this was possible..

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Re: Car Question..
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 18:04:55 »


Rb25 swap....
Are you looking for a driver focused car?
If you want a light, fun car to trot around town why not an frs?


new miata

If you want a fun project car, get a WRX and the factory 5 racing kit https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/design/

Ah forgot about it. Supposed to be lighter than last gen. About 200lbs.
The new wrx's FA20DIT is one hell of an engine. Really torquey.
And that compression ratio!

The cool part about the car is that you can set the engine up as a mid-engine RWD, which is what the kit does. I think it's be a pretty legit car for $15K ($10k kit and $5k car) and some work.

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But I wanted the R32...

The web says imports are legal now that it's >25 years..  Now I just gotta go through some japanese people who know reputable tuners over there... I think I might just do a 30k car all tuning done over there, less diy on my end.. and then have that shipped.. 

My car guy tells me, the tuner shop in japan can modify the car so it passes for street legal, and undo those changes electronically once I get the sticker..  I didn't know this was possible..
You can probably already find one that was imported to the states that are clean.

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Re: Car Question..
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 18:06:13 »


Rb25 swap....
Are you looking for a driver focused car?
If you want a light, fun car to trot around town why not an frs?


new miata

If you want a fun project car, get a WRX and the factory 5 racing kit https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/design/

Ah forgot about it. Supposed to be lighter than last gen. About 200lbs.
The new wrx's FA20DIT is one hell of an engine. Really torquey.
And that compression ratio!

The cool part about the car is that you can set the engine up as a mid-engine RWD, which is what the kit does. I think it's be a pretty legit car for $15K ($10k kit and $5k car) and some work.
Sorry for double post, don't know how to mulitquote in Tapatalk.


I just wonder when Subaru is going to throw the fa20 into the STi. Maybe bore and stroke it a little and call it a FA25?

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 18:21:44 »


Rb25 swap....
Are you looking for a driver focused car?
If you want a light, fun car to trot around town why not an frs?


new miata

If you want a fun project car, get a WRX and the factory 5 racing kit https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/design/

Ah forgot about it. Supposed to be lighter than last gen. About 200lbs.
The new wrx's FA20DIT is one hell of an engine. Really torquey.
And that compression ratio!

The cool part about the car is that you can set the engine up as a mid-engine RWD, which is what the kit does. I think it's be a pretty legit car for $15K ($10k kit and $5k car) and some work.

Show Image


But I wanted the R32...

The web says imports are legal now that it's >25 years..  Now I just gotta go through some japanese people who know reputable tuners over there... I think I might just do a 30k car all tuning done over there, less diy on my end.. and then have that shipped.. 

My car guy tells me, the tuner shop in japan can modify the car so it passes for street legal, and undo those changes electronically once I get the sticker..  I didn't know this was possible..
You can probably already find one that was imported to the states that are clean.

But TJ, said I couldn't trust the states ones..

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Re: Car Question..
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 18:29:33 »


Rb25 swap....
Are you looking for a driver focused car?
If you want a light, fun car to trot around town why not an frs?


new miata

If you want a fun project car, get a WRX and the factory 5 racing kit https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/design/

Ah forgot about it. Supposed to be lighter than last gen. About 200lbs.
The new wrx's FA20DIT is one hell of an engine. Really torquey.
And that compression ratio!

The cool part about the car is that you can set the engine up as a mid-engine RWD, which is what the kit does. I think it's be a pretty legit car for $15K ($10k kit and $5k car) and some work.

Show Image


But I wanted the R32...

The web says imports are legal now that it's >25 years..  Now I just gotta go through some japanese people who know reputable tuners over there... I think I might just do a 30k car all tuning done over there, less diy on my end.. and then have that shipped.. 

My car guy tells me, the tuner shop in japan can modify the car so it passes for street legal, and undo those changes electronically once I get the sticker..  I didn't know this was possible..
You can probably already find one that was imported to the states that are clean.

But TJ, said I couldn't trust the states ones..


You can find plenty of nice cars.
Would trust me when I say my allroad has no issues? Hell no.
Bug the seller for photos and tell him/her you'd pay for a pre-purchase inspection
Older nissans are like subarus... They're freaking legos. You can swap engines and stuff pretty easily compared to other cars. Other than wiring for the harness...
 

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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:10:43 »
My china guy who's looking for the japan guy just got back to me..

he says. the japan guy quoted 23k for 500hp, 30k for 700hp.. 

is that realistic on the 30? , I feel like for 700, you'd need a different engine and whole transmission rebuild, and that's only 7000 in JAPAN ?

this is before shipping

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:16:10 »
30,000 yen? go for it.


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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:19:30 »
My china guy who's looking for the japan guy just got back to me..

he says. the japan guy quoted 23k for 500hp, 30k for 700hp.. 

is that realistic on the 30? , I feel like for 700, you'd need a different engine and whole transmission rebuild, and that's only 7000 in JAPAN ?

this is before shipping

Those prices?  For that amount of HP?  Does he have a list of parts and some documentation for all the work?  I am...skeptical.  Even if that really is the case, I doubt the whole platform is going to be balanced.  You may not care, though.

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:27:28 »
My china guy who's looking for the japan guy just got back to me..

he says. the japan guy quoted 23k for 500hp, 30k for 700hp.. 

is that realistic on the 30? , I feel like for 700, you'd need a different engine and whole transmission rebuild, and that's only 7000 in JAPAN ?

this is before shipping

Those prices?  For that amount of HP?  Does he have a list of parts and some documentation for all the work?  I am...skeptical.  Even if that really is the case, I doubt the whole platform is going to be balanced.  You may not care, though.

The guy said the 23ks are all ready to ship, the translation of what my china guy said was they have a mountain of 500hp skylines..

but If you want 700,  which i mean, who wouldn't..  that's gonna be 30..

it's gonna be really hard to get all this stuff on paper unless I really commit to it.. since it's still kind of hassle-y to export single cars for these tuner shops.

If I had the buying power for a whole fleet that would be great.. LOL .


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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:30:15 »
My china guy who's looking for the japan guy just got back to me..

he says. the japan guy quoted 23k for 500hp, 30k for 700hp.. 

is that realistic on the 30? , I feel like for 700, you'd need a different engine and whole transmission rebuild, and that's only 7000 in JAPAN ?

this is before shipping

Those prices?  For that amount of HP?  Does he have a list of parts and some documentation for all the work?  I am...skeptical.  Even if that really is the case, I doubt the whole platform is going to be balanced.  You may not care, though.

Wikipedia says the "RB26DETT" (2.6L twin turbo I6) engine the R32 GT-R had was designed for 500+ HP in race trim.

also this

I would get some good photos and a listing of what he's done to it before buying and get it thoroughly checked before trying to turn it on.

I agree with sent that it might not be well-balanced. Like those miatas with corvette engines in them, but I care more for handling than raw power.

Do you plan to use it for drag racing?
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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:34:00 »
The guy said the 23ks are all ready to ship, the translation of what my china guy said was they have a mountain of 500hp skylines..

but If you want 700,  which i mean, who wouldn't..  that's gonna be 30..

it's gonna be really hard to get all this stuff on paper unless I really commit to it.. since it's still kind of hassle-y to export single cars for these tuner shops.

If I had the buying power for a whole fleet that would be great.. LOL .

I wouldn't want 700.  I want usable power.  It's easy to go fast and get huge numbers but when are you actually going to be able to utilize that.  Even if you go tracking, not every track has a section where you can actually use that much power.  If you want it just for bragging rights, sure, I can understand that.  I've seen a lot of that.

That being said, I'd be careful if I were you.  I've played around with imported cars (R32-33's included) and the one lesson I've learned with cars is...if it's too good to be true, it is.  It certainly isn't worth it to go into something not knowing every detail and then getting screwed later on.  I've also seen poorly balanced cars failing horribly at the track.  It's not a pretty picture.

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Re: Car Question..
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:35:16 »
My china guy who's looking for the japan guy just got back to me..

he says. the japan guy quoted 23k for 500hp, 30k for 700hp.. 

is that realistic on the 30? , I feel like for 700, you'd need a different engine and whole transmission rebuild, and that's only 7000 in JAPAN ?

this is before shipping

Those prices?  For that amount of HP?  Does he have a list of parts and some documentation for all the work?  I am...skeptical.  Even if that really is the case, I doubt the whole platform is going to be balanced.  You may not care, though.

Wikipedia says the "RB26DETT" (2.6L twin turbo I6) engine the R32 GT-R had was designed for 500+ HP in race trim.

I would get some good photos and a listing of what he's done to it before buying and get it thoroughly checked before trying to turn it on.

I agree with sent that it might not be well-balanced. Like those miatas with corvette engines in them, but I care more for handling than raw power.



I hadn't considered balance at all..  I didn't think the parts to increase HP would alter it that much relative to the total weight.


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Re: Car Question..
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:36:58 »
Wikipedia says the "RB26DETT" (2.6L twin turbo I6) engine the R32 GT-R had was designed for 500+ HP in race trim.

also this

I would get some good photos and a listing of what he's done to it before buying and get it thoroughly checked before trying to turn it on.

I agree with sent that it might not be well-balanced. Like those miatas with corvette engines in them, but I care more for handling than raw power.

Do you plan to use it for drag racing?

Yeah, I've worked on enough RB's to have a decent knowledge of them.  I suppose my point was more that...I've also seen enough deals like this go sideways to not trust what people say.  Plus, depending on what they're using to dyno with and how badly they fudge the numbers, 500 hp may not actually be close to 500 hp.  Race trim isn't really fun to drive around on the street, either.  I ended up getting rid of my last few cars because they just turned into track ****s. :(

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Re: Car Question..
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:37:19 »
skyline group buy anyone?

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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:38:04 »
Wikipedia says the "RB26DETT" (2.6L twin turbo I6) engine the R32 GT-R had was designed for 500+ HP in race trim.

also this

I would get some good photos and a listing of what he's done to it before buying and get it thoroughly checked before trying to turn it on.

I agree with sent that it might not be well-balanced. Like those miatas with corvette engines in them, but I care more for handling than raw power.

Do you plan to use it for drag racing?

Yeah, I've worked on enough RB's to have a decent knowledge of them.  I suppose my point was more that...I've also seen enough deals like this go sideways to not trust what people say.  Plus, depending on what they're using to dyno with and how badly they fudge the numbers, 500 hp may not actually be close to 500 hp.  Race trim isn't really fun to drive around on the street, either.  I ended up getting rid of my last few cars because they just turned into track ****s. :(

could you elaborate on what track ****s mean..

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I hadn't considered balance at all..  I didn't think the parts to increase HP would alter it that much relative to the total weight.

It's not just the weight distribution that may be thrown off.  Suspension, to me, is far more important than how much horsepower you're putting down.  I've also seen 1000 hp builds that have a **** chassis and nuts and bolts actually vibrated out of the ****ing car when they're gunning it down a straight.  Brakes?  Also kind of important, especially when you're hunting for more and more power.  Proper tires?  They're a must.  Tires can get expensive, really fast.  The whole package has to be there as soon as you look for increased power.  Honestly, the driving experience will be much more rewarding that way.

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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:40:48 »
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I hadn't considered balance at all..  I didn't think the parts to increase HP would alter it that much relative to the total weight.

It's not just the weight distribution that may be thrown off.  Suspension, to me, is far more important than how much horsepower you're putting down.  I've also seen 1000 hp builds that have a **** chassis and nuts and bolts actually vibrated out of the ****ing car when they're gunning it down a straight.  Brakes?  Also kind of important, especially when you're hunting for more and more power.  Proper tires?  They're a must.  Tires can get expensive, really fast.  The whole package has to be there as soon as you look for increased power.  Honestly, the driving experience will be much more rewarding that way.

guess who's going to get annoyed with questions when i get my ST?

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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:41:54 »
could you elaborate on what track ****s mean..

My car ended up being too uncomfortable to daily.  It had a welded in roll cage, fixed bucket seat, etc.  I was only putting down around 620 whp but daily driving that was toasting my tires far too fast.  I also had quite a bit of aero which means getting into certain places was difficult and just unnecessarily stressful.  When you mod a car to actually beat your own lap times, it's not so easy to drive on the streets, anymore.

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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:43:19 »
guess who's going to get annoyed with questions when i get my ST?

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We can be hatch buddies, brah.

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Re: Car Question..
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:47:22 »
could you elaborate on what track ****s mean..

My car ended up being too uncomfortable to daily.  It had a welded in roll cage, fixed bucket seat, etc.  I was only putting down around 620 whp but daily driving that was toasting my tires far too fast.  I also had quite a bit of aero which means getting into certain places was difficult and just unnecessarily stressful.  When you mod a car to actually beat your own lap times, it's not so easy to drive on the streets, anymore.

seems I can't escape more research by just spending money... h8 when this happens.. but that's mods for ya....

thx fur all ur help SENT,  locked for now.