SSD Awareness month !!

[tp4tissue]

If your computer does not have an SSD, you're insane.. !!!!!



If any ya'll late adopters have questions.. feel free to ask..

Black Friday is looming.. and it's the best time to get in on the fun..

[rowdy]

But such joyful insanity!

[fohat.digs]

Mine has been OK but I think it is failing after a couple of years.

I have a new, clean, fast, fast high-end WD that I am going to install whenever I get my courage up.

Reliability trumps speed any day.
 

[tp4tissue]

But such joyful insanity!

At the cost of the sanity of the Ssd users.

went to this dude's house.. needed to use his computer,  turned it on, sat there stared at it..  I thought it was broken... 3 minutes later, it was booted..  then it took another minute to load firefox..

[SpAmRaY]

All of the computers I use have SSD's!

[noisyturtle]

Still not even remotely cheap enough yet to replace regular HDDs

[tp4tissue]

Still not even remotely cheap enough yet to replace regular HDDs

No one's saying that...   Buhhhhhhhhhhhhh...........


Considering most people don't use more than 500GBs  .... technically.. they are cheap enough to replace harddrives for many people..

[SpAmRaY]

Still not even remotely cheap enough yet to replace regular HDDs

250Gb for ~$100 to be used as a boot drive should be more than enough for most people.

[Altis]

At the cost of the sanity of the Ssd users.

went to this dude's house.. needed to use his computer,  turned it on, sat there stared at it..  I thought it was broken... 3 minutes later, it was booted..  then it took another minute to load firefox..

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I went to my dad's the other day and tried to use his computer. Long boot time, and apps took forever to load.

Sad thing is he has an i7 4770 with 12 GB of RAM. His HDD is killing the whole experience and feels slower than my 7 year old Q6600 on 4 GB of DDR2 RAM.

In short: SSDs are the single most significant upgrade to any modern computer.

[noisyturtle]

Still not even remotely cheap enough yet to replace regular HDDs

250Gb for ~$100 to be used as a boot drive should be more than enough for most people.

Honestly, you shouldn't need more than 80-100Gb for a Windows boot drive.

SSDs are great, no argument there. But until they make an affordable 1Tb SSD their use is still restricted. Soon though...

[HPE1000]

I have had my 128gb adata ssd for 2 years so far and no problems at all. Super fast and reliable so far, but until the price of them comes down more I am going to stick to only using them as boot drives as I use about 1.5tb of storage on games and everything.

[RED-404]

I have 3 in my desktop 1 for OS and 2 as cache for my drivepool.

[tp4tissue]

Still not even remotely cheap enough yet to replace regular HDDs

250Gb for ~$100 to be used as a boot drive should be more than enough for most people.

Honestly, you shouldn't need more than 80-100Gb for a Windows boot drive.

SSDs are great, no argument there. But until they make an affordable 1Tb SSD their use is still restricted. Soon though...

1Tb ssds for $370 today.. that's pretty affordable, if you need it..

[tp4tissue]

I have had my 128gb adata ssd for 2 years so far and no problems at all. Super fast and reliable so far, but until the price of them comes down more I am going to stick to only using them as boot drives as I use about 1.5tb of storage on games and everything.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Put the games and all programs on the SSD..  also use SSD for scratch drives for things like adobe apps...


it'll be the best $200 you've ever spent...

stateside, 512gb ssds are routinely ~200,  ~250  for the slightly faster ones.

[RED-404]

I have had my 128gb adata ssd for 2 years so far and no problems at all. Super fast and reliable so far, but until the price of them comes down more I am going to stick to only using them as boot drives as I use about 1.5tb of storage on games and everything.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Put the games and all programs on the SSD..  also use SSD for scratch drives for things like adobe apps...


it'll be the best $200 you've ever spent...

stateside, 512gb ssds are routinely ~200,  ~250  for the slightly faster ones.

I would love to do that, but I had to go with a strange drivepool + primocache setup due to having ~6tb of games and slow internet.

[Novus]

Still rocking my Samsung 830 I think.

[HPE1000]

I have had my 128gb adata ssd for 2 years so far and no problems at all. Super fast and reliable so far, but until the price of them comes down more I am going to stick to only using them as boot drives as I use about 1.5tb of storage on games and everything.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Put the games and all programs on the SSD..  also use SSD for scratch drives for things like adobe apps...


it'll be the best $200 you've ever spent...

stateside, 512gb ssds are routinely ~200,  ~250  for the slightly faster ones.

All my programs ARE on the SSD. But the games are on the HDD. There is no good reason for me to put my games on the SSD since I am not playing any games that have long load times. (I mostly play games like TF2, Payday 2, and L4D2)

[Elrick]

Still rocking my Samsung 830 I think.

Arguably the BEST ssd ever made  .

[byker]

My 3 year old laptop boots faster with it's hard drive then my 3 month old computer with an ssd

[tp4tissue]

I have had my 128gb adata ssd for 2 years so far and no problems at all. Super fast and reliable so far, but until the price of them comes down more I am going to stick to only using them as boot drives as I use about 1.5tb of storage on games and everything.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Put the games and all programs on the SSD..  also use SSD for scratch drives for things like adobe apps...


it'll be the best $200 you've ever spent...

stateside, 512gb ssds are routinely ~200,  ~250  for the slightly faster ones.

I would love to do that, but I had to go with a strange drivepool + primocache setup due to having ~6tb of games and slow internet.

Hrmmm... i suppose the necessary computer infrastructure is not as complete where you are..

how slow is ur internet..  that you need to stash 6tb of games.

[tp4tissue]

Still rocking my Samsung 830 I think.

Arguably the BEST ssd ever made  .

No ??

[tp4tissue]

My 3 year old laptop boots faster with it's hard drive then my 3 month old computer with an ssd

well it's hard to do an apples to apples comparison in a situation like this..  since your new computer probably has bloatware..   

which ssd is this ? did you diy the computer, or is it big box.

[Novus]

DIY of course

[dorkvader]

Some peole with laptops only have space for one 2.5" drive! What do I say to these people?

1. msata SSD and use the old HDD to store unimportant files (music/movies/etc.)
2. If your laptop does not have an msata slot, throw it away and buy a real laptop. Almost anything business class will have. Anything that's lower end (or apple) either has an SSD anyway or is not worth buying.

[noisyturtle]

Does unplugging and plugging in an external SSD repeatedly have any long-term effects like it does with an external HDD?

[dorkvader]

Does unplugging and plugging in an external SSD repeatedly have any long-term effects like it does with an external HDD?

Most likely not.

SSD's are good like that.

Now randomly ejecting a filesystem before the cache is written and buffers are flushed: that can be bad for it. I recommend you set your /etc/fstab file accordingly for external media.

[tp4tissue]

Ssds do not have a limited number of power on cycles like the motor based drives.   But if u want an external enclosure that has good ssd support, you can't cheap out like you can with regular HDD enclosures.

As for msata, that's really only for power users who would've known their laptop had such a port prior to buying it, and these people probably already have ssds. Haha

[yasuo]

my compie dont have ssd

[tp4tissue]

Black Friday is coming, the cheapest reliable ssd might hit $40 for 128gb.   

[Coreda]

If people are having major problems with loading times on HDDs it's due to fragmentation and partitioning (or even background app bloat). I kept a older laptop running smoothly and snappy by proper partitioning, defragging and general good sense.

Built a new system earlier this year with an SSD for the system and program drive, and while faster to boot and launch apps the initial improvement experience wasn't the miracle so many SSD fans would have me believe. It's as fast as one would expect a modern drive to be, but considering it costs less to manufacture than HDDs the prices for large-capacity SSDs are still expensive.

[tp4tissue]

If people are having major problems with loading times on HDDs it's due to fragmentation and partitioning (or even background app bloat). I kept a older laptop running smoothly and snappy by proper partitioning, defragging and general good sense.

Built a new system earlier this year with an SSD for the system and program drive, and while faster to boot and launch apps the initial improvement experience wasn't the miracle so many SSD fans would have me believe. It's as fast as one would expect a modern drive to be, but considering it costs less to manufacture than HDDs the prices for large-capacity SSDs are still expensive.

Ur lying.  I was the first among my friends with raid 0 raptors and I know all about keeping separate partitions for easy defrag. Nothing you can do on hard drives or to them that would be the equivalent of an ssd. Short of a huge mechanical array of 100+ drives. This is a literal comparison, that's how many it would take to achieve the random read write throughput of a single ssd.


You can't make a valid comparison by saying just because you keep a clean system mechanicals can be just as fast. That's not true. They are not even close.     A completely clean install takes 30 seconds to load on my raid 0 raptors, it took 6 seconds on my very first ssd x25m g2.       Now imagine the compounded savings like that in everything you do on the computer...
 And realize how insane it is to continue running programs from mechanics drives

[byker]

My 3 year old laptop boots faster with it's hard drive then my 3 month old computer with an ssd

well it's hard to do an apples to apples comparison in a situation like this..  since your new computer probably has bloatware..   

which ssd is this ? did you diy the computer, or is it big box.

No bloatware, samsung 840 evo 120gb fully updated, I built it myself. I think it has something to do with the bios, because going from boot to bios takes the longest.

[Coreda]

Ur lying.  I was the first among my friends with raid 0 raptors and I know all about keeping separate partitions for easy defrag. Nothing you can do on hard drives or to them that would be the equivalent of an ssd.

I never stated that a HDD is as fast as SDD, tp, you completely misread my post. I was writing that for some users with HDDs their systems are in a non-optimal state, which greater adds to the slowness, and can be improved by proper maintenance. I then mentioned that my initial experience with SSDs wasn't the immediate 'holy mother of god' moment that is often spoken of, but rather a solid speed improvement one would expect for a modern drive in 2014. If all my drives were SSD that would be great, however the larger capacity drives are still too expensive to use everywhere, as I wrote earlier.

[Saviant]

My 3 year old laptop boots faster with it's hard drive then my 3 month old computer with an ssd

well it's hard to do an apples to apples comparison in a situation like this..  since your new computer probably has bloatware..   

which ssd is this ? did you diy the computer, or is it big box.

No bloatware, samsung 840 evo 120gb fully updated, I built it myself. I think it has something to do with the bios, because going from boot to bios takes the longest.

The 840 evo has a fault with the firmware causing this. There is a firmware fix only released last week to update the firmware and refresh the drive for speed.

I had this issue myself and it is a known issue with the 840 evo which had a lot of new put out about it.

[JackMills]

My 3 year old laptop boots faster with it's hard drive then my 3 month old computer with an ssd

well it's hard to do an apples to apples comparison in a situation like this..  since your new computer probably has bloatware..   

which ssd is this ? did you diy the computer, or is it big box.

No bloatware, samsung 840 evo 120gb fully updated, I built it myself. I think it has something to do with the bios, because going from boot to bios takes the longest.

The 840 evo has a fault with the firmware causing this. There is a firmware fix only released last week to update the firmware and refresh the drive for speed.

I had this issue myself and it is a known issue with the 840 evo which had a lot of new put out about it.

My laptop has an 500GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, and the fix itself is quite easy to do, it only takes more time if you have a lot of data, apparently it recalibrates the disk.
http://tweakers.net/downloads/33589/samsung-ssd-840-evo-performance-restoration-software-10.html (Link in Dutch)
http://goo.gl/9Z1ItK (Link in English)

Otherwise the 840 EVO is a top SSD, I have no complaints about it at all, it is fast and straightforward to install.

[byker]

My 3 year old laptop boots faster with it's hard drive then my 3 month old computer with an ssd

well it's hard to do an apples to apples comparison in a situation like this..  since your new computer probably has bloatware..   

which ssd is this ? did you diy the computer, or is it big box.

No bloatware, samsung 840 evo 120gb fully updated, I built it myself. I think it has something to do with the bios, because going from boot to bios takes the longest.

The 840 evo has a fault with the firmware causing this. There is a firmware fix only released last week to update the firmware and refresh the drive for speed.

I had this issue myself and it is a known issue with the 840 evo which had a lot of new put out about it.

That is why I said fully updated!  Did that firmware fix but still no fix.

[tp4tissue]

My 3 year old laptop boots faster with it's hard drive then my 3 month old computer with an ssd

well it's hard to do an apples to apples comparison in a situation like this..  since your new computer probably has bloatware..   

which ssd is this ? did you diy the computer, or is it big box.

No bloatware, samsung 840 evo 120gb fully updated, I built it myself. I think it has something to do with the bios, because going from boot to bios takes the longest.

The 840 evo has a fault with the firmware causing this. There is a firmware fix only released last week to update the firmware and refresh the drive for speed.

I had this issue myself and it is a known issue with the 840 evo which had a lot of new put out about it.

That is why I said fully updated!  Did that firmware fix but still no fix.

I was about to get an evo a while back, but I want to wait a little bit longer to see how the whole Toggle NAND thing would play out..

[tp4tissue]

Ur lying.  I was the first among my friends with raid 0 raptors and I know all about keeping separate partitions for easy defrag. Nothing you can do on hard drives or to them that would be the equivalent of an ssd.

I never stated that a HDD is as fast as SDD, tp, you completely misread my post. I was writing that for some users with HDDs their systems are in a non-optimal state, which greater adds to the slowness, and can be improved by proper maintenance. I then mentioned that my initial experience with SSDs wasn't the immediate 'holy mother of god' moment that is often spoken of, but rather a solid speed improvement one would expect for a modern drive in 2014. If all my drives were SSD that would be great, however the larger capacity drives are still too expensive to use everywhere, as I wrote earlier.

Coreda.. you've used an ssd so long, you've forgotten how life was really ****ty without it... You should try going back to using a harddrive for a few hours, maybe a whole day.. then come back to the SSD..  LIFE CHANGING....




Recently on the servers I got, I have 150GB of ram on each machine

So I finally tried ramdisk...  It's mind blowing.....

[byker]

I have an EVGA Hadron Air case, so I would love one big ssd so I could remove the HDD cage and put the ssd somewhere out of the way.. One day perhaps..

[tp4tissue]

I have an EVGA Hadron Air case, so I would love one big ssd so I could remove the HDD cage and put the ssd somewhere out of the way.. One day perhaps..

yea but then where would you put all your movies?

[azhdar]

SSD changed my life , before i went bathroom during boot , not I go bathroom then boot .

I got a Samsung 840 pro with 128Go i believe , just enough for windows , and a few apps . HDD and NAS for storage .

[tp4tissue]

SSD changed my life , before i went bathroom during boot , not I go bathroom then boot .

I got a Samsung 840 pro with 128Go i believe , just enough for windows , and a few apps . HDD and NAS for storage .

Totally agree on the Life change... seriously.. I used to h8 life, because I had to wait for my PC to do things..

I would never turn it off, because turning it back on took forever..

AND, I would yell slam the mouse against the table whenever I got impatient... broke a few this way..




I just ordered an 840 pro a few days ago for $135,  I don't think it would go for "much " cheaper during BF..  so on BF I'll  probably be getting the 850 pro 512 hopefully..


You really really need at least 256 these days.. with stupid steam games being freaking huge..  final fantasy 13 on pc is 60GB,,

I was installing it on my 128 boot drive.. it said, not enough space I'm like, wtf I got 53GBs free..

[Coreda]

Coreda.. you've used an ssd so long, you've forgotten how life was really ****ty without it... You should try going back to using a harddrive for a few hours, maybe a whole day.. then come back to the SSD..  LIFE CHANGING....

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Recently on the servers I got, I have 150GB of ram on each machine

So I finally tried ramdisk...  It's mind blowing.....

Lol  ^-^ I actually regularly switch between systems. SSD is certainly snappier, no doubt, as is my new system overall.

I have an EVGA Hadron Air case, so I would love one big ssd so I could remove the HDD cage and put the ssd somewhere out of the way.. One day perhaps..

Hadron Air owner, too. Small chassis, but I'm mostly glad I have it. Probably the only case I was attracted to in my searches.

[azhdar]

Bought it when it was still kind of expensive , I think it was like 250€ for 250Gb . I only put things i use daily on SSD , larger apps/games all go on HDD . It might load a bit slower but online I'm still the one waiting for other machines to load .

[tp4tissue]

Bought it when it was still kind of expensive , I think it was like 250€ for 250Gb . I only put things i use daily on SSD , larger apps/games all go on HDD . It might load a bit slower but online I'm still the one waiting for other machines to load .

I think this BF , you need to get the 512...  I was even considering the 1Tb today, because it went on sale for $370, but it's TLC, so I didn't hop on, gonna wait a bit longer for someone to thoroughly test out tlc.

[The Mad Professor]

My main rig:

6x Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSDs (and more added as needed... I have room for 6 more SSDs... 12, if I use mSATA SSDs with a 2-1 adapter...)


My upcoming briefcase build:

2x Crucial MX100 512GB SSDs (along with two WD Black 750GB and two WD Red 1TB, all in the 2.5" size)


My work desktop:

Crucial MX100 512GB SSD + 1TB HDD


My work laptop:

Samsung EVO 500GB mSATA SSD + 750GB HDD


My upcoming Portable Media Player:

8GB SD card for OS/programs + 2 mSATA 1TB SSDs on a 2-1 adapter with USB connectivity, all connected to a Raspberry Pi via USB.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

*CLiB is only using a 128GB Samsung EVO 840

[inanis]

Both my laptops have SSDs. The one in my work laptop is WAY to small - only 128GB. That is no where near enough, it is a constant pain in the ass to move around files. My home laptop has a 256 SSD, of which I use barely any space at all. I don't store files on it locally, I use my desktop, where everything gets backed up to an external SATA drive. There is no SSD in play at all for the desktop and it has happily been humming along for years without interruption. It does take longer to boot though. If SSD drives weren't so expensive I might think of switching it over, but since it is working fine I have no current motivation to do so.

[Lain1911]

I'm not sure if I will ever have one.

[eth0s]

I'm not sure if I will ever have one.

I'm pretty sure you won't.

For once tp4 is right.  Well, he's been right about a half-dozen times, but this time for sure.  SSD is the way to go.  If you are still waiting for a mechanical arm to read data from a spinning platter, you should just move into a cave and hunt woolly mammoths, 'cuz you're a cro magnon.  [but that's okay - no judgment!]