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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #50 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 13:06:05 »
Getting a top end system today with just HDDs is equivalent to buying a Bugatti with vinyl seats.
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« Reply #51 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 13:29:22 »
I agree everyone should have one, although the one's I use are old Vertex 2's they are still pretty snappy but I always worry about them failing, already had two go on me :x

Also on games being stupidly large titanfall with its like 30GB of uncompressed audio files, because they didn't want older machines to have to uncompress it all :x

Hopefully some day soon every computer will have the os loaded onto a small SSD, when that day happens life will be good :)
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #52 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 13:35:07 »
games uninstall and reinstall on my ssd faster than levels in Half Life used to load.

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #53 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 13:37:50 »
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #54 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 14:34:30 »
Hopefully some day soon every computer will have the os loaded onto a small SSD, when that day happens life will be good :)

Well, you can already run Windows and Linux from a dedicated USB flash drive (not sure if Mac allows it), freeing up another drive for RAID purposes.


It's how my home file server is set up.


FreeNAS on a USB drive, plugged directly into the motherboard (via a USB to mobo header adapter). I have 16 HDDs totalling 40TB of space.
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 14:36:57 »
Hopefully some day soon every computer will have the os loaded onto a small SSD, when that day happens life will be good :)

Well, you can already run Windows and Linux from a dedicated USB flash drive (not sure if Mac allows it), freeing up another drive for RAID purposes.
Yeah I know buddie I just mean it as in you go and get it, its not a extra its standard :p
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 14:42:38 »
Hopefully some day soon every computer will have the os loaded onto a small SSD, when that day happens life will be good :)

Well, you can already run Windows and Linux from a dedicated USB flash drive (not sure if Mac allows it), freeing up another drive for RAID purposes.
Yeah I know buddie I just mean it as in you go and get it, its not a extra its standard :p

The problem with this is that it eliminates the capability to install on partitions, which is what a lot of people do.


Hell, if you want choice taken away from your computing experience, just buy a Mac.
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 15:42:43 »
Hopefully some day soon every computer will have the os loaded onto a small SSD, when that day happens life will be good :)

Well, you can already run Windows and Linux from a dedicated USB flash drive (not sure if Mac allows it), freeing up another drive for RAID purposes.
Yeah I know buddie I just mean it as in you go and get it, its not a extra its standard :p

The problem with this is that it eliminates the capability to install on partitions, which is what a lot of people do.


Hell, if you want choice taken away from your computing experience, just buy a Mac.

Well the kids these days HAVE to buy mac, because that's the cool thing to have as a teenager....

So, you really can't blame them,  some are wise to the fact that mac is really constricting, but also the only way they'll get any p00n sitting at the library..


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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #58 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 16:10:50 »
SSD Awareness month !!
« on: 28-10-2014, 09:53:50 »

Does SSD awareness month start on 28-Oct and go until 27-Nov, or it is just for the last couple of days of October?
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 16:13:01 »
SSD Awareness month !!
« on: 28-10-2014, 09:53:50 »

Does SSD awareness month start on 28-Oct and go until 27-Nov, or it is just for the last couple of days of October?

until black friday.. .sheesh 31 days.

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 16:14:24 »
SSD Awareness month !!
« on: 28-10-2014, 09:53:50 »

Does SSD awareness month start on 28-Oct and go until 27-Nov, or it is just for the last couple of days of October?

until black friday.. .sheesh 31 days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(1939)
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 16:15:40 »
SSD Awareness month !!
« on: 28-10-2014, 09:53:50 »

Does SSD awareness month start on 28-Oct and go until 27-Nov, or it is just for the last couple of days of October?

until black friday.. .sheesh 31 days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(1939)

Well they're missing out on all the tech-sales..

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"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #65 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 16:34:37 »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(1939)
Black Friday is a terrible name for a sale IMO :3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday

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Notice how the date is 1939...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_39

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 16:40:44 »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(1939)
Black Friday is a terrible name for a sale IMO :3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday

+1

Notice how the date is 1939...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_39

"The curse of 39 refers to the belief in some parts of Afghanistan that the number 39 is cursed or a badge of shame as it is purportedly linked with prostitution"

ok.. guys.. I'm all for talking about prostitution.. but.. let's TRY to keep this thread about SSDs and tech please...

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #67 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 16:41:30 »
Ur lying.  I was the first among my friends with raid 0 raptors and I know all about keeping separate partitions for easy defrag. Nothing you can do on hard drives or to them that would be the equivalent of an ssd.

I never stated that a HDD is as fast as SDD, tp, you completely misread my post. I was writing that for some users with HDDs their systems are in a non-optimal state, which greater adds to the slowness, and can be improved by proper maintenance. I then mentioned that my initial experience with SSDs wasn't the immediate 'holy mother of god' moment that is often spoken of, but rather a solid speed improvement one would expect for a modern drive in 2014. If all my drives were SSD that would be great, however the larger capacity drives are still too expensive to use everywhere, as I wrote earlier.

Coreda.. you've used an ssd so long, you've forgotten how life was really ****ty without it... You should try going back to using a harddrive for a few hours, maybe a whole day.. then come back to the SSD..  LIFE CHANGING....

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yeah SSD is like slow contrasted with RAMDISK. I think my ideal computer would have 32gb RAM for ramdisk and just uses SD cards for storage. I built up a customized linux for me to be used run toram. It only had the stuff I needed. Takes a bit longer to load to RAM, but is way better and faster than pretty much anything else.

After that, going back to SSD was pretty hard. So slow, it takes whole milliseconds for apps to open?

I have an EVGA Hadron Air case, so I would love one big ssd so I could remove the HDD cage and put the ssd somewhere out of the way.. One day perhaps..

yea but then where would you put all your movies?

That's what they invented NAS or SAN for.

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #68 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 16:44:54 »
Ur lying.  I was the first among my friends with raid 0 raptors and I know all about keeping separate partitions for easy defrag. Nothing you can do on hard drives or to them that would be the equivalent of an ssd.

I never stated that a HDD is as fast as SDD, tp, you completely misread my post. I was writing that for some users with HDDs their systems are in a non-optimal state, which greater adds to the slowness, and can be improved by proper maintenance. I then mentioned that my initial experience with SSDs wasn't the immediate 'holy mother of god' moment that is often spoken of, but rather a solid speed improvement one would expect for a modern drive in 2014. If all my drives were SSD that would be great, however the larger capacity drives are still too expensive to use everywhere, as I wrote earlier.

Coreda.. you've used an ssd so long, you've forgotten how life was really ****ty without it... You should try going back to using a harddrive for a few hours, maybe a whole day.. then come back to the SSD..  LIFE CHANGING....

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Recently on the servers I got, I have 150GB of ram on each machine

So I finally tried ramdisk...  It's mind blowing.....
yeah SSD is like slow contrasted with RAMDISK. I think my ideal computer would have 32gb RAM for ramdisk and just uses SD cards for storage. I built up a customized linux for me to be used run toram. It only had the stuff I needed. Takes a bit longer to load to RAM, but is way better and faster than pretty much anything else.

After that, going back to SSD was pretty hard. So slow, it takes whole milliseconds for apps to open?

I have an EVGA Hadron Air case, so I would love one big ssd so I could remove the HDD cage and put the ssd somewhere out of the way.. One day perhaps..

yea but then where would you put all your movies?

That's what they invented NAS or SAN for.

Totally..

I'm trying to hunt down a good deal on 8gb sticks of ddr2 ecc so I can get 256gb.. hehe...

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 16:46:57 »
I'm trying to hunt down a good deal on 8gb sticks of ddr2 ecc so I can get 256gb.. hehe...

That's why I sort-of regret selling the mac pro. I could have put 128GB of RAM in there. I also had a real GPU and windows/linux so I could use it. (because OSX is unusable in general, not just with better GPUs).

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 16:49:04 »
I'm trying to hunt down a good deal on 8gb sticks of ddr2 ecc so I can get 256gb.. hehe...

That's why I sort-of regret selling the mac pro. I could have put 128GB of RAM in there. I also had a real GPU and windows/linux so I could use it. (because OSX is unusable in general, not just with better GPUs).

well with ddr 4 they might come out with 8x 16gb  so the dream is alive for x99 platform

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 17:23:19 »
What still puts me off SSD is that if it dies, it just bricks without warning.

You might be lucky and have SSD that lasts for years, but if it does die, it does so without warning.

Or is that no longer the case?
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 17:36:34 »
What still puts me off SSD is that if it dies, it just bricks without warning.

You might be lucky and have SSD that lasts for years, but if it does die, it does so without warning.

Or is that no longer the case?

Um.. there ARE warnings.. lol basically, ssds don't really DIE,  the problem is data retention becomes problematic.. the cells just can't hold the data anymore

so... that comes down to how much is written to the drive..  and because data is random as is write amplification, we can only statically INFER when it will fail.

But as long as you stay within the manufactured spec sheet, it's pretty solid..

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 17:51:17 »
What still puts me off SSD is that if it dies, it just bricks without warning.

You might be lucky and have SSD that lasts for years, but if it does die, it does so without warning.

Or is that no longer the case?
If you aren't doing backups you deserve to have data loss.

I have a SSD as my boot drive, and have 2 old HDDs (one for games, one for media). Then I have two 1.5 TB drives as backup (one offsite) and a 1TB external drive as a backup/general use. So far, one of the 1.5TB drives has failed and was swiftly replaced by seagate under warranty. No data was lost.

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #74 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 17:53:03 »
What still puts me off SSD is that if it dies, it just bricks without warning.

You might be lucky and have SSD that lasts for years, but if it does die, it does so without warning.

Or is that no longer the case?

Um.. there ARE warnings.. lol basically, ssds don't really DIE,  the problem is data retention becomes problematic.. the cells just can't hold the data anymore

so... that comes down to how much is written to the drive..  and because data is random as is write amplification, we can only statically INFER when it will fail.

But as long as you stay within the manufactured spec sheet, it's pretty solid..
I disagree I have had two SSD die without any warning both with controller lock-ups basically just shut my PC down one night the next die bam dead nothing, happens quite often too it seems
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« Reply #75 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 18:04:16 »
What still puts me off SSD is that if it dies, it just bricks without warning.

You might be lucky and have SSD that lasts for years, but if it does die, it does so without warning.

Or is that no longer the case?

Um.. there ARE warnings.. lol basically, ssds don't really DIE,  the problem is data retention becomes problematic.. the cells just can't hold the data anymore

so... that comes down to how much is written to the drive..  and because data is random as is write amplification, we can only statically INFER when it will fail.

But as long as you stay within the manufactured spec sheet, it's pretty solid..
I disagree I have had two SSD die without any warning both with controller lock-ups basically just shut my PC down one night the next die bam dead nothing, happens quite often too it seems

Yeah, this.

I had a mechanical HDD die in my server.  It gave increasing bad sectors and poor performance for a few days, so I copied off as much as I could (mostly large media files), and replaced it.

If you aren't doing backups you deserve to have data loss.

I have a SSD as my boot drive, and have 2 old HDDs (one for games, one for media). Then I have two 1.5 TB drives as backup (one offsite) and a 1TB external drive as a backup/general use. So far, one of the 1.5TB drives has failed and was swiftly replaced by seagate under warranty. No data was lost.

For the record my workstation has two separate backups performed on a daily basis.  Of the critical files.  I prefer to reinstall the operating system in the event of a complete rebuild, do a clean reinstall of the latest versions of the apps, and restore my critical data.

Anything else I can live with losing.
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #76 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 18:22:49 »
What still puts me off SSD is that if it dies, it just bricks without warning.

You might be lucky and have SSD that lasts for years, but if it does die, it does so without warning.

Or is that no longer the case?

Um.. there ARE warnings.. lol basically, ssds don't really DIE,  the problem is data retention becomes problematic.. the cells just can't hold the data anymore

so... that comes down to how much is written to the drive..  and because data is random as is write amplification, we can only statically INFER when it will fail.

But as long as you stay within the manufactured spec sheet, it's pretty solid..
I disagree I have had two SSD die without any warning both with controller lock-ups basically just shut my PC down one night the next die bam dead nothing, happens quite often too it seems

Controller death is no worse on ssd than hdd...  you hear about as many sudden hdd deaths as you do ssd..

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 18:23:00 »
A lot of it is based on the brand and price.

Until Crucial introduced the MX100's and priced them at half of the market value, the old saying of "You get what you pay for" was relevant. If you went cheap, you got crap. If you spent the money, you got good products. It was that simple.

Even today, the price is important. The best quality SSDs come from Samsung and Intel (though Intel's price point is a bit steep). Nipping at their heels is Crucial, whose MX100 series offers the best bang for the buck and who basically called out the industry by maintaining excellent products at reasonable prices.

When SSDs first came out, they were pretty much a novelty item. Sure it was super fast compared to an HDD, but the SSD's lifespan was far less than that of an HDD and data storage was more reliable on the magnetic drive.

Then they started refining the technology.

An SSD today is not the same as before. The life expectency is MUCH better, with some expected to outlast an HDD.

Put it this way, someone said that if you were to write 4TB to an SSD every day, it would take about ten to fifteen years to become unuseable (all things being equal, of course).


When buying an SSD, there are a few tips to follow:


Brand: Intel, Samsung, and Crucial are the best options.


Size: The bigger the drive, the longer it will last. a 128GB is fine if you're running Linux and have a few programs installed. If you have Windows and a lot of programs, you want a bigger drive.


RAID: RAID 0 is about the only useful thing you can do, and you won't see any real improvements until you get to the 256-512GB disk sizes.


Maintenance: Do not ever, EVER defragment your SSD. Defragmentation moves data from one place to another to organize it in nice, neat little groupings. Flash memory (what an SSD uses) is by nature fragmented. Defragging an SSD does absolutely nothing except waste write cycles.
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« Reply #78 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 18:25:02 »
What still puts me off SSD is that if it dies, it just bricks without warning.

You might be lucky and have SSD that lasts for years, but if it does die, it does so without warning.

Or is that no longer the case?

Um.. there ARE warnings.. lol basically, ssds don't really DIE,  the problem is data retention becomes problematic.. the cells just can't hold the data anymore

so... that comes down to how much is written to the drive..  and because data is random as is write amplification, we can only statically INFER when it will fail.

But as long as you stay within the manufactured spec sheet, it's pretty solid..
I disagree I have had two SSD die without any warning both with controller lock-ups basically just shut my PC down one night the next die bam dead nothing, happens quite often too it seems

Controller death is no worse on ssd than hdd...  you hear about as many sudden hdd deaths as you do ssd..
Again I disagree HD more than often tell you when something going wrong, and most of the time you can recover everything, SSD's your just boned :/Controller death is no worse on ssd than hdd...  you hear about as many sudden hdd deaths as you do ssd..
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #79 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 18:25:27 »
A lot of it is based on the brand and price.

Until Crucial introduced the MX100's and priced them at half of the market value, the old saying of "You get what you pay for" was relevant. If you went cheap, you got crap. If you spent the money, you got good products. It was that simple.

Even today, the price is important. The best quality SSDs come from Samsung and Intel (though Intel's price point is a bit steep). Nipping at their heels is Crucial, whose MX100 series offers the best bang for the buck and who basically called out the industry by maintaining excellent products at reasonable prices.

When SSDs first came out, they were pretty much a novelty item. Sure it was super fast compared to an HDD, but the SSD's lifespan was far less than that of an HDD and data storage was more reliable on the magnetic drive.

Then they started refining the technology.

An SSD today is not the same as before. The life expectency is MUCH better, with some expected to outlast an HDD.

Put it this way, someone said that if you were to write 4TB to an SSD every day, it would take about ten to fifteen years to become unuseable (all things being equal, of course).


When buying an SSD, there are a few tips to follow:


Brand: Intel, Samsung, and Crucial are the best options.


Size: The bigger the drive, the longer it will last. a 128GB is fine if you're running Linux and have a few programs installed. If you have Windows and a lot of programs, you want a bigger drive.


RAID: RAID 0 is about the only useful thing you can do, and you won't see any real improvements until you get to the 256-512GB disk sizes.


Maintenance: Do not ever, EVER defragment your SSD. Defragmentation moves data from one place to another to organize it in nice, neat little groupings. Flash memory (what an SSD uses) is by nature fragmented. Defragging an SSD does absolutely nothing except waste write cycles.

You don't raid 0 ssd unless you have the queue depth to utilitze the I/O..

MOST people won't...   since the random read/write will still be limited by the controller with low queue depth,  raid 0 doesn't give any performance boost.

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« Reply #80 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 18:36:45 »
I got a Samsung 840 EVO for my mom's home-office PC a few weeks ago. I'm waiting for the firmware/performance fix to be a month old before I apply it. In case the fix would have incurred any problems of its own, it should be known by then.
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #81 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 18:37:56 »
I got a Samsung 840 EVO for my mom's home-office PC a few weeks ago. I'm waiting for the firmware/performance fix to be a month old before I apply it. In case the fix would have incurred any problems of its own, it should be known by then.

ur mom's pc is actually affected ?  how many gigs per day is she doing ?

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« Reply #82 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 19:27:05 »
I'm still using my OCZ Agility 2 - 60GB SATA II bought in 2010. I really need to upgrade. It just hasn't given me any problems and has ran great so I've never made any serious efforts to replace/upgrade.
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #83 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 19:31:02 »
I'm still using my OCZ Agility 2 - 60GB SATA II bought in 2010. I really need to upgrade. It just hasn't given me any problems and has ran great so I've never made any serious efforts to replace/upgrade.


60g is like.. 1 game and windows + page files.. and that's it.

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« Reply #84 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 19:38:31 »
I'm still using my OCZ Agility 2 - 60GB SATA II bought in 2010. I really need to upgrade. It just hasn't given me any problems and has ran great so I've never made any serious efforts to replace/upgrade.


60g is like.. 1 game and windows + page files.. and that's it.

Just windows. I don't have a paging file on C. Everything is on my HDDs. Environment variables are shifted to HDD. Steam games directory, everything. Yeah. Need new stuff. I upgraded my entire system, except case and SSD. Stupid.
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #85 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 19:42:48 »
I'm still using my OCZ Agility 2 - 60GB SATA II bought in 2010. I really need to upgrade. It just hasn't given me any problems and has ran great so I've never made any serious efforts to replace/upgrade.


60g is like.. 1 game and windows + page files.. and that's it.

Just windows. I don't have a paging file on C. Everything is on my HDDs. Environment variables are shifted to HDD. Steam games directory, everything. Yeah. Need new stuff. I upgraded my entire system, except case and SSD. Stupid.

black friday.. be on the lookout for

sandisk ,  extreme pro, extreme II

Samsung,  840pro, 850pro,  evo

Intel,  anything from them is solid..


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« Reply #86 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 20:23:37 »
A lot of it is based on the brand and price.

Until Crucial introduced the MX100's and priced them at half of the market value, the old saying of "You get what you pay for" was relevant. If you went cheap, you got crap. If you spent the money, you got good products. It was that simple.

Even today, the price is important. The best quality SSDs come from Samsung and Intel (though Intel's price point is a bit steep). Nipping at their heels is Crucial, whose MX100 series offers the best bang for the buck and who basically called out the industry by maintaining excellent products at reasonable prices.

When SSDs first came out, they were pretty much a novelty item. Sure it was super fast compared to an HDD, but the SSD's lifespan was far less than that of an HDD and data storage was more reliable on the magnetic drive.

Then they started refining the technology.

An SSD today is not the same as before. The life expectency is MUCH better, with some expected to outlast an HDD.

Put it this way, someone said that if you were to write 4TB to an SSD every day, it would take about ten to fifteen years to become unuseable (all things being equal, of course).


When buying an SSD, there are a few tips to follow:


Brand: Intel, Samsung, and Crucial are the best options.


Size: The bigger the drive, the longer it will last. a 128GB is fine if you're running Linux and have a few programs installed. If you have Windows and a lot of programs, you want a bigger drive.


RAID: RAID 0 is about the only useful thing you can do, and you won't see any real improvements until you get to the 256-512GB disk sizes.


Maintenance: Do not ever, EVER defragment your SSD. Defragmentation moves data from one place to another to organize it in nice, neat little groupings. Flash memory (what an SSD uses) is by nature fragmented. Defragging an SSD does absolutely nothing except waste write cycles.

On top of all this, is TRIM support still considered essential?
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #87 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 20:47:42 »
A lot of it is based on the brand and price.

Until Crucial introduced the MX100's and priced them at half of the market value, the old saying of "You get what you pay for" was relevant. If you went cheap, you got crap. If you spent the money, you got good products. It was that simple.

Even today, the price is important. The best quality SSDs come from Samsung and Intel (though Intel's price point is a bit steep). Nipping at their heels is Crucial, whose MX100 series offers the best bang for the buck and who basically called out the industry by maintaining excellent products at reasonable prices.

When SSDs first came out, they were pretty much a novelty item. Sure it was super fast compared to an HDD, but the SSD's lifespan was far less than that of an HDD and data storage was more reliable on the magnetic drive.

Then they started refining the technology.

An SSD today is not the same as before. The life expectency is MUCH better, with some expected to outlast an HDD.

Put it this way, someone said that if you were to write 4TB to an SSD every day, it would take about ten to fifteen years to become unuseable (all things being equal, of course).


When buying an SSD, there are a few tips to follow:


Brand: Intel, Samsung, and Crucial are the best options.


Size: The bigger the drive, the longer it will last. a 128GB is fine if you're running Linux and have a few programs installed. If you have Windows and a lot of programs, you want a bigger drive.


RAID: RAID 0 is about the only useful thing you can do, and you won't see any real improvements until you get to the 256-512GB disk sizes.


Maintenance: Do not ever, EVER defragment your SSD. Defragmentation moves data from one place to another to organize it in nice, neat little groupings. Flash memory (what an SSD uses) is by nature fragmented. Defragging an SSD does absolutely nothing except waste write cycles.

On top of all this, is TRIM support still considered essential?

Um... it depends on how much you use your ssd..

if you're load is small.. then trim doesn't really matter,  that is the one reason people had to upgrade form sata 1

however, for desktops, just get any sata controller for pci-e and it'll support trim.

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« Reply #88 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 20:59:51 »
I'm still using my OCZ Agility 2 - 60GB SATA II bought in 2010. I really need to upgrade. It just hasn't given me any problems and has ran great so I've never made any serious efforts to replace/upgrade.


60g is like.. 1 game and windows + page files.. and that's it.

Just windows. I don't have a paging file on C. Everything is on my HDDs. Environment variables are shifted to HDD. Steam games directory, everything. Yeah. Need new stuff. I upgraded my entire system, except case and SSD. Stupid.

To do this for Windows 7, follow this guide:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1156654/seans-windows-7-install-optimization-guide-for-ssds-hdds/0_50

For Windows 8, use this one:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1240779/seans-windows-8-install-optimization-guide-for-ssds-hdds/0_50

TRIM should be automatically enabled in Windows, and these guides tell you how to check for sure.
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #89 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 21:08:52 »
I'm still using my OCZ Agility 2 - 60GB SATA II bought in 2010. I really need to upgrade. It just hasn't given me any problems and has ran great so I've never made any serious efforts to replace/upgrade.


60g is like.. 1 game and windows + page files.. and that's it.

Just windows. I don't have a paging file on C. Everything is on my HDDs. Environment variables are shifted to HDD. Steam games directory, everything. Yeah. Need new stuff. I upgraded my entire system, except case and SSD. Stupid.

To do this for Windows 7, follow this guide:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1156654/seans-windows-7-install-optimization-guide-for-ssds-hdds/0_50

For Windows 8, use this one:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1240779/seans-windows-8-install-optimization-guide-for-ssds-hdds/0_50

TRIM should be automatically enabled in Windows, and these guides tell you how to check for sure.

Checking trim only tells you the command is being sent..  it doesn't mean that the command is actually performing trim..

this was the problem with some sata 1 boards..

as long as your board does ahci.. which was available on sata 1 but not everyboard had it.

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« Reply #90 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 21:43:01 »
Who said anything about Windows?
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #91 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 21:59:51 »
I'm still using my OCZ Agility 2 - 60GB SATA II bought in 2010. I really need to upgrade. It just hasn't given me any problems and has ran great so I've never made any serious efforts to replace/upgrade.


60g is like.. 1 game and windows + page files.. and that's it.

Just windows. I don't have a paging file on C. Everything is on my HDDs. Environment variables are shifted to HDD. Steam games directory, everything. Yeah. Need new stuff. I upgraded my entire system, except case and SSD. Stupid.

black friday.. be on the lookout for

sandisk ,  extreme pro, extreme II

Samsung,  840pro, 850pro,  evo

Intel,  anything from them is solid..

Been eyballing the Samsung stuff. I had planned on adding the 840pro to my rebuild I just did in Feb. I will wait till the sales.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into these some more as well. See if I like anything else.
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #92 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 22:10:19 »
I'm still using my OCZ Agility 2 - 60GB SATA II bought in 2010. I really need to upgrade. It just hasn't given me any problems and has ran great so I've never made any serious efforts to replace/upgrade.


60g is like.. 1 game and windows + page files.. and that's it.

Just windows. I don't have a paging file on C. Everything is on my HDDs. Environment variables are shifted to HDD. Steam games directory, everything. Yeah. Need new stuff. I upgraded my entire system, except case and SSD. Stupid.

black friday.. be on the lookout for

sandisk ,  extreme pro, extreme II

Samsung,  840pro, 850pro,  evo

Intel,  anything from them is solid..

Been eyballing the Samsung stuff. I had planned on adding the 840pro to my rebuild I just did in Feb. I will wait till the sales.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into these some more as well. See if I like anything else.

the sandisk extreme pro and extreme II is where a really good deal might come in at..

since all the other drives on that list are really popular... their sale likelihood is lower..

Also look into TLC vs MLC , and determine for yourself if your data load will be sufficient for TLC..

extremepro extreme ii are tlc, and so is the evo.. 

intel and samsung pro series are all mlc

Best is SLC.. but that's reserved for rich people

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #93 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 22:42:41 »
I'm still using my OCZ Agility 2 - 60GB SATA II bought in 2010. I really need to upgrade. It just hasn't given me any problems and has ran great so I've never made any serious efforts to replace/upgrade.


60g is like.. 1 game and windows + page files.. and that's it.

Just windows. I don't have a paging file on C. Everything is on my HDDs. Environment variables are shifted to HDD. Steam games directory, everything. Yeah. Need new stuff. I upgraded my entire system, except case and SSD. Stupid.

black friday.. be on the lookout for

sandisk ,  extreme pro, extreme II

Samsung,  840pro, 850pro,  evo

Intel,  anything from them is solid..

Been eyballing the Samsung stuff. I had planned on adding the 840pro to my rebuild I just did in Feb. I will wait till the sales.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into these some more as well. See if I like anything else.

the sandisk extreme pro and extreme II is where a really good deal might come in at..

since all the other drives on that list are really popular... their sale likelihood is lower..

Also look into TLC vs MLC , and determine for yourself if your data load will be sufficient for TLC..

extremepro extreme ii are tlc, and so is the evo.. 

intel and samsung pro series are all mlc

Best is SLC.. but that's reserved for rich people

Quick glance on newegg looks like I'm narrowed to MLC and probably in the 512GB range, SataIII. That might work out pretty well. More so considering what I'm moving from.
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #94 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 23:47:57 »
Psh. I only have one PC that dosen't have an SSD in it yet... and that's my Goupil 286. It only doesn't have one in it yet since I've been too lazy to dig out my other PC that has an IDE port on it so I can clone the disk onto this 512MB SSD DOM I have for it. I only want to clone the disk since it has the original installation of Windows 3 on it still. :))

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #95 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 00:05:45 »
A lot of it is based on the brand and price.

Until Crucial introduced the MX100's and priced them at half of the market value, the old saying of "You get what you pay for" was relevant. If you went cheap, you got crap. If you spent the money, you got good products. It was that simple.
I've been a fan of Micron for a while. I think their latest stuff is really nice too.

Maintenance: Do not ever, EVER defragment your SSD. Defragmentation moves data from one place to another to organize it in nice, neat little groupings. Flash memory (what an SSD uses) is by nature fragmented. Defragging an SSD does absolutely nothing except waste write cycles.
I mean defragmenting is isn't really going to do anything, but it's not going to kill it either. So it's not that bad. Also, while all modern SSDs do have wear levelling, not all SSDs do, in which case, I recommend JFS anyway.

b'sides, you shouldn't need to defrag your storage at all these days. If you're using that much % of your HDD you have issues, and most modern filesystems are properly journalled so having a somewhat fragmented system shouldn't hit performance. You're better off making a lot of partitions (using LVM probably, so you can easily resize) and putting data on the faster or slower sectors depending on what it's for. (this for HDDs ofcourse.)


Anyone have a source for cheap IDE-mode CF cards? I want three. One for each of my vintage ipods (running rockbox ofc) and one for my Dolch 286.
« Last Edit: Wed, 29 October 2014, 00:07:30 by dorkvader »

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 00:24:50 »
Why not just get IDE DOMS? They come in 40 and 44 pin and have WAY better write endurance and some of the 'industrial' rated variants have good internal garbage collection which is great for running older trim unaware OS on. They are also usually cheaper than CF cards these days. You can sometimes find them with ZIF interface for older iPods as well so you don't have to **** about with messy converters.

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #97 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 01:03:13 »
I'm still using my OCZ Agility 2 - 60GB SATA II bought in 2010. I really need to upgrade. It just hasn't given me any problems and has ran great so I've never made any serious efforts to replace/upgrade.


60g is like.. 1 game and windows + page files.. and that's it.

Just windows. I don't have a paging file on C. Everything is on my HDDs. Environment variables are shifted to HDD. Steam games directory, everything. Yeah. Need new stuff. I upgraded my entire system, except case and SSD. Stupid.

To do this for Windows 7, follow this guide:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1156654/seans-windows-7-install-optimization-guide-for-ssds-hdds/0_50

For Windows 8, use this one:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1240779/seans-windows-8-install-optimization-guide-for-ssds-hdds/0_50

TRIM should be automatically enabled in Windows, and these guides tell you how to check for sure.


I always use TRIMCHECK after a fresh install --> http://files.thecybershadow.net/trimcheck/

I found it on http://www.thessdreview.com/daily-news/latest-buzz/trimcheck-does-your-ssd-really-have-trim-working/ at the beginning of last year.  Great website.
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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #98 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 01:39:36 »
Why not just get IDE DOMS? They come in 40 and 44 pin and have WAY better write endurance and some of the 'industrial' rated variants have good internal garbage collection which is great for running older trim unaware OS on. They are also usually cheaper than CF cards these days. You can sometimes find them with ZIF interface for older iPods as well so you don't have to **** about with messy converters.

disk on module? Let me look that up.

WOW that's amazing! My mind was just blown. Thanks so much.

edit: lookslike http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-8-50-Pin-to-2-5-44-Pin-IDE-Adapter-for-Toshiba-HDD-/160572400524?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item2562dc638c will work with any of http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kingspec-PATA-IDE-DOM-40PIN-16GB-Disk-On-Module-Vertical-Socket-MLC-/261456285877?pt=US_Solid_State_Drives&hash=item3ce00250b5
They aren't exactly cheap though.
« Last Edit: Wed, 29 October 2014, 01:56:07 by dorkvader »

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Re: SSD Awareness month !!
« Reply #99 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 02:54:30 »
Why not just get IDE DOMS? They come in 40 and 44 pin and have WAY better write endurance and some of the 'industrial' rated variants have good internal garbage collection which is great for running older trim unaware OS on. They are also usually cheaper than CF cards these days. You can sometimes find them with ZIF interface for older iPods as well so you don't have to **** about with messy converters.

wait, why would u need dom for a desktop