Police Assassination in USA

[berserkfan]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30566196

I wonder if this may go viral and turn into a trend. USA is full of people who don't like the police, full of guns, and full of criminals who just got released from prison due to lack of room. This is not a good time to be upholding the law there.

Not like in Singapore, where the police have perpetually nothing to do and like to sleep on the job. Down there its really the law of the jungle.
 

[tp4tissue]

Sensationalism..

It's not like this happens all the time..  Hardly significant / newsworthy...


If the topic is Guns, well, it's certainly as easy to kill a man with one today as it was yesterday.

[nubbinator]

I wonder if this may go viral and turn into a trend. USA is full of people who don't like the police, full of guns, and full of criminals who just got released from prison due to lack of room. This is not a good time to be upholding the law there.

Most people with guns are not the sort to do something like that.  And most people who hate the police (aside from gang members) don't own guns since they're the same people yelling to regulate guns and trying to get rid of them.  Lastly, the criminals who have been released from prison are mostly non-violent offenders who never should have been in prison in the first place.

And, to be honest, while there are many good cops, the unions, the "thin blue line," and the other similar bull**** is what has caused the hatred of police.  Instead of community policing, decriminalizing victimless crimes like prostitution and small scale drug use, and being open to the community, we have a society in which cops are increasingly becoming distant, viewing it as us vs them, and militarized, where they protect bad cops, and where no one knows the cops that police their neighborhood.  It really is no surprise that people have come to fear and hate the cops. 

[tjcaustin]

I wonder if this may go viral and turn into a trend. USA is full of people who don't like the police, full of guns, and full of criminals who just got released from prison due to lack of room. This is not a good time to be upholding the law there.

More troll bs from berserkfan.  :sarcastic eek:

[tp4tissue]

I wonder if this may go viral and turn into a trend. USA is full of people who don't like the police, full of guns, and full of criminals who just got released from prison due to lack of room. This is not a good time to be upholding the law there.

Most people with guns are not the sort to do something like that.  And most people who hate the police (aside from gang members) don't own guns since they're the same people yelling to regulate guns and trying to get rid of them.  Lastly, the criminals who have been released from prison are mostly non-violent offenders who never should have been in prison in the first place.

And, to be honest, while there are many good cops, the unions, the "thin blue line," and the other similar bull**** is what has caused the hatred of police.  Instead of community policing, decriminalizing victimless crimes like prostitution and small scale drug use, and being open to the community, we have a society in which cops are increasingly becoming distant, viewing it as us vs them, and militarized, where they protect bad cops, and where no one knows the cops that police their neighborhood.  It really is no surprise that people have come to fear and hate the cops. 

Ur making some very obscure generalizations on "very" small groups that are not representative of anything at all..

What are you trying to say ?

[demik]

while im not surprised this happened..

this isn't the way to prove your point. you're only a) helping cops justify their actions and b) helping racists justify their racism.

[tp4tissue]

while im not surprised this happened..

this isn't the way to prove your point. you're only a) helping cops justify their actions and b) helping racists justify their racism.

But the power struggle is real.... it's not a race war, not really.

[nubbinator]

while im not surprised this happened..

this isn't the way to prove your point. you're only a) helping cops justify their actions and b) helping racists justify their racism.

But the power struggle is real.... it's not a race war, not really.

Well, come back and comment on this when you're black or hispanic.  Especially in cities like LA and NYC.

[tp4tissue]

while im not surprised this happened..

this isn't the way to prove your point. you're only a) helping cops justify their actions and b) helping racists justify their racism.

But the power struggle is real.... it's not a race war, not really.

Well, come back and comment on this when you're black or hispanic.  Especially in cities like LA and NYC.

it's true that there are those that will LEVERAGE race as a tool, usually the weaker side, (minorities)..   However, motivations are the same regardless.. they're after power/influence

[jacobolus]

Not like in Singapore, where the police have perpetually nothing to do and like to sleep on the job. Down there its really the law of the jungle.

Dude, you live in a fascist police state halfway around the world. Why are you continually commenting about US social relations that have nothing to do with you?

[tp4tissue]

Not like in Singapore, where the police have perpetually nothing to do and like to sleep on the job. Down there its really the law of the jungle.

Dude, you live in a fascist police state halfway around the world. Why are you continually commenting about US social relations that have nothing to do with you?

Dude.. Politics is the same EVERYWHERE..  you can call it whatever you want..

The rich rule the poor..

[jacobolus]

Dude.. Politics is the same EVERYWHERE..  you can call it whatever you want..

The rich rule the poor..

I mean, sure, human nature is similar everywhere there are people.

But political systems and cultural expectations make huge differences. If you compare people living in Beijing, Gaza City, New York, Copenhagen, Moscow, Rio de Janeiro, Havana, Mogadishu, (not to mention random little towns in the middle of nowhere) folks have dramatic differences in relations with their neighbors, relations with the police, relations with their government officials, etc. etc.

“The rich rule the poor” is unusually reductionist even for you tp4, and I consider you a master of bad overgeneralizations.

[tp4tissue]

Hahahaha..  My point is not that every political system is absolutely the same..

My point is that they're all similar enough such that Anyone Anywhere is entitled to their opinions, as MORE than enough of their political locality is present everywhere else.

[iri]

while im not surprised this happened..

this isn't the way to prove your point. you're only a) helping cops justify their actions and b) helping racists justify their racism.

But the power struggle is real.... it's not a race war, not really.

Well, come back and comment on this when you're black or hispanic.  Especially in cities like LA and NYC.

The gunman was a black man - named as Ismaaiyl Brinsley, 28 - while the two police officers, Liu Wenjin and Raphael Ramos, were Asian and Hispanic respectively.

[baldgye]

I wonder if things like this will lead to the laws on gun ownership to slowly change... The situation is pretty clear and the solution is obvious.
I wonder how long though it will take before it happens though...

[vivalarevolución]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30566196

I wonder if this may go viral and turn into a trend. USA is full of people who don't like the police, full of guns, and full of criminals who just got released from prison due to lack of room. This is not a good time to be upholding the law there.

Not like in Singapore, where the police have perpetually nothing to do and like to sleep on the job. Down there its really the law of the jungle.
 

You have no clue what you're talking about.  First of all, we jail entirely too many people in this country. Way too many for too long.  And they aren't all crazed cop killers.

Killing a cop is always an awful idea, and any real criminal knows that.

I wonder if things like this will lead to the laws on gun ownership to slowly change... The situation is pretty clear and the solution is obvious.
I wonder how long though it will take before it happens though...

This exact same argument every time our country has some gun-related incidents that makes the news.  Changes happen state-by-state with gun laws, unless the federal government wants to impose their will on the states in the "national interest," so we'll see.

Then you have states like mine, Indiana, in which the legislature is run by white baby boomers that make decisions based on non-acceptance, moral authority, and holding onto the past rather than structuring the laws for people, not corporations, and with the future of the state in mind.

[iri]

if one day evil fate brings me to 'murica, i'll be happy having many guns. guns are fun

[vivalarevolución]

if one day evil fate brings me to 'murica, i'll be happy having many guns. guns are fun

I will admit, they are fun.  Going out to the desert and shooting cacti and targets is awesome.  Except when they are in the hands of the mentally ill and untrained, and they are the pointing the barrel at you.

[baldgye]

if one day evil fate brings me to 'murica, i'll be happy having many guns. guns are fun

I will admit, they are fun.  Going out to the desert and shooting cacti and targets is awesome.  Except when they are in the hands of the mentally ill and untrained, and they are the pointing the barrel at you.

I like going off topic to further my old political agenda so;

I don't think there exists the need for people to be allowed guns in any capacity other than for hunting, and in the cases having the type and power of said weapon to be appropriate, similar but not the same as UK gun laws.

[iri]

You can use guns for hunting, plinking, self defense and all kinds of sports shooting. Also you can collect guns. Also you can build a fence from rifles and machineguns.

[nubbinator]

if one day evil fate brings me to 'murica, i'll be happy having many guns. guns are fun

I will admit, they are fun.  Going out to the desert and shooting cacti and targets is awesome.  Except when they are in the hands of the mentally ill and untrained, and they are the pointing the barrel at you.

I like going off topic to further my old political agenda so;

I don't think there exists the need for people to be allowed guns in any capacity other than for hunting, and in the cases having the type and power of said weapon to be appropriate, similar but not the same as UK gun laws.

I don't think there exists the need for people to be allowed knives in any capacity other than for cooking, and in the cases having the type and size of said weapon to be appropriate. 

[jacobolus]

I don't think there exists the need for people to be allowed knives in any capacity other than for cooking, and in the cases having the type and size of said weapon to be appropriate. 

What about machetes? Machetes are damn useful for clearing a path through the jungle.

[tbc]

I don't think there exists the need for people to be allowed knives in any capacity other than for cooking, and in the cases having the type and size of said weapon to be appropriate. 

What about machetes? Machetes are damn useful for clearing a path through the jungle.

or like coconuts

[nubbinator]

I don't think there exists the need for people to be allowed knives in any capacity other than for cooking, and in the cases having the type and size of said weapon to be appropriate. 

What about machetes? Machetes are damn useful for clearing a path through the jungle.

Well, since we don't have jungles in the US, those should be banned too.  And, while we're at it, we should ban baseball bats unless you have a permit and can show you're going to and from a game, practice, or batting cages.  All bats should have to be transported in the trunk of the car, away from the baseballs.  It's the only way we can absolutely make sure people are safe.

[baldgye]

if one day evil fate brings me to 'murica, i'll be happy having many guns. guns are fun

I will admit, they are fun.  Going out to the desert and shooting cacti and targets is awesome.  Except when they are in the hands of the mentally ill and untrained, and they are the pointing the barrel at you.

I like going off topic to further my old political agenda so;

I don't think there exists the need for people to be allowed guns in any capacity other than for hunting, and in the cases having the type and power of said weapon to be appropriate, similar but not the same as UK gun laws.

I don't think there exists the need for people to be allowed knives in any capacity other than for cooking, and in the cases having the type and size of said weapon to be appropriate. 

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Eh I guess I agree with that to an extent... If your a country lad a knife can be pretty handy, but that said I've lived most of my life in the country and never needed one lol, hell I bearly own what you could consider kitchen knifes lol

[Puddsy]

This was about 20 minutes away from my house.

That's about everything notable I have to say on this. It's ****ty, people are ****ty, and that's that.

[azhdar]

I stand by the argument that the man is the killer not the weapon .

Sure a legally bought gun is an easier way to do it .

In France , guns are hard to get (besides hunting rifle ) . Yet in Marseille , there's a lot of AK's and drugs gang are killing daily with assault weapon .

I'm against guns because they have almost no usage for a normal human being . But again , if a jackass wanted to kill a policeman , guns aren't the only way to do it . And black market guns aren't so hard to get anyway .

[PointyFox]

I stand by the argument that the man is the killer not the weapon .

Sure a legally bought gun is an easier way to do it .

In France , guns are hard to get (besides hunting rifle ) . Yet in Marseille , there's a lot of AK's and drugs gang are killing daily with assault weapon .

I'm against guns because they have almost no usage for a normal human being . But again , if a jackass wanted to kill a policeman , guns aren't the only way to do it . And black market guns aren't so hard to get anyway .

It's also easy to make guns or use something besides a "gun", i.e. poison, wire, heavy object, hole, car, electricity, knife.. No ban on anything could ever stop people from getting or making weapons, especially that comment above about banning knives, considering how easy they are to make and find materials for.

[jacobolus]

In France, guns are hard to get (besides hunting rifle). Yet in Marseille, there's a lot of AK's and drugs gang are killing daily with assault weapon.

The problem in Marseille is very high levels of poverty and unemployment, and being one of the main entry points for cannabis coming to Europe from northern Africa. If drug laws were changed in Europe, much of this crime would go away.

More broadly, the way out is economic growth and improving living standards. Just as with poor urban slums anywhere in the world, this isn’t an easy set of problems to tackle.

Easy availability of guns absolutely makes a difference for the worse though.

[azhdar]

In France, guns are hard to get (besides hunting rifle). Yet in Marseille, there's a lot of AK's and drugs gang are killing daily with assault weapon.

The problem in Marseille is very high levels of poverty and unemployment, and being one of the main entry points for cannabis coming to Europe from northern Africa. If drug laws were changed in Europe, much of this crime would go away.

More broadly, the way out is economic growth and improving living standards. Just as with poor urban slums anywhere in the world, this isn’t an easy set of problems to tackle.

Easy availability of guns absolutely makes a difference for the worse though.

I don't think it would fix the issue in France, seing how highly taxed is general tobacco and the price of having a store to sell drugs . I think black market canabis would still be cheaper . So gangs would still have to fight .
But anyway , chance of it happenning in France in the next 20 years is close to impossible .

[iri]

I am so glad we don't have gangs machinegunning each other here.

[Findecanor]

I wonder if this may go viral and turn into a trend.

It will be a trend if media spins it as being a trend, and makes connections with Ferguson and whatever.
I wouldn't be surprised if I heard that similar events had happened before over in the gun-crazy us-against-them-mentality ole USA ... it is just that those events had been treated differently in media.

[Elrick]

I am so glad we don't have gangs machinegunning each other here.

Why not?  The weaker ones get thinned out whilst the most vicious and conniving rules the streets, just like in nature  .

[iri]

I am so glad we don't have gangs machinegunning each other here.

Why not?  The weaker ones get thinned out whilst the most vicious and conniving rules the streets, just like in nature  .

i am also very glad that gangs don't rule the streets here.

[baldgye]

I stand by the argument that the man is the killer not the weapon .

Sure a legally bought gun is an easier way to do it .

In France , guns are hard to get (besides hunting rifle ) . Yet in Marseille , there's a lot of AK's and drugs gang are killing daily with assault weapon .

I'm against guns because they have almost no usage for a normal human being . But again , if a jackass wanted to kill a policeman , guns aren't the only way to do it . And black market guns aren't so hard to get anyway .

Guns spread fear.
How many Policemen would the man have been able to kill using a knife?

[iri]

About Marseille... There is a joke: "-- What foreign language is the most spoken in Marseille? -- French".

[azhdar]

About Marseille... There is a joke: "-- What foreign language is the most spoken in Marseille? -- French".

And sadly very close to the true , so many immigrants going through Marseille , that we're almost the outsiders there .