O-rings yes/no?0,2/0,4?

[Nikelu]

Title mostly,and does anyone know if these are 0,2 or 0,4? It says hard but I am not sure cause Greek shops really have no idea on mechs. http://www.e-shop.gr/king-mod-noise-dampener-for-cherry-mx-keyboards-hard-125-pieces-p-PER.814933

[Nikelu]

kapow

[Art of Payce]

Not sure about the link. Why don't you ask the vendor?

I love O-rings. Why?

1. Eliminates clack from the keypress entirely. With linear switches (Black, Red), you can achieve sound dampening to near rubber-dome levels. On clicky switches (Blue, Green, White), the click is pure.
2. Softens bottom of the keypress. Significantly reduces fatigue at higher, sustained typing speeds (say, 80 WPM and above at 5 minutes or more). If you're like most people, you will tire at higher speeds due to harder keypresses. Each impact adds up quickly over time on your finger joints.
3. Reduces key travel. Less time pressing a key means faster and perhaps more efficient typing sessions.

These are facts, but they happen to be the reasons why I love them too. I'm getting MX Reds, DSA caps (low profile, but maybe a longer stem due to absent cross in the keycap), and 0.4mm O-rings.

[tp4tissue]

There's a huge issue with rebound noise on cherry which can't be reliably mitigated for the long term without constantly touching up on the upper dampening.

[aref]

I've used red and black o-rings. Red measured 0.2mm thick; black 0.4mm thick. I disliked the blacks; at first I like the reds, but after using them for a short time, I disliked the shortened key travel. My preference is no o-rings. The o-rings were used on MX Red (Corsair K65) and Blue (Filco M2) keyboards.

[suicidal_orange]

They look like 0.2 to me, the centre hole size to thickness ratio looks too big for a 0.4.  They are used to soften the landing  so I'm not sure why anyone would want hard ones?

I ordered some of these in both sizes today and am looking forward to trying them as I've only got 10x 0.2 ones at the moment so only my home row is muted.  I think I like them but time will tell...

[Art of Payce]

There's a huge issue with rebound noise on cherry which can't be reliably mitigated for the long term without constantly touching up on the upper dampening.

Are you referring to the rebounding sound of the spring upon releasing a keypress? If so, what kind of mod is there available to reduce it? I imagine the solution would be more complicated since it could involve the mechanism within the housing.

[tp4tissue]

There's a huge issue with rebound noise on cherry which can't be reliably mitigated for the long term without constantly touching up on the upper dampening.

Are you referring to the rebounding sound of the spring upon releasing a keypress? If so, what kind of mod is there available to reduce it? I imagine the solution would be more complicated since it could involve the mechanism within the housing.

nawh.. there's this guy who figured it out a while back..  you put a dab of silicone gel on either side of the switch top..

the problem is, they don't stick very well because the area is so small.. and it falls off after a while or gets jammed..

[Art of Payce]

Hmmm, slightly disappointing yet interesting. It sounds like a messy mod. If that guy successfully identified a working solution, we just need to improve it so that the chemistry between keycap plastics and adhesive glues would work. Another project on the further end of the enthusiast spectrum...

[tp4tissue]

Hmmm, slightly disappointing yet interesting. It sounds like a messy mod. If that guy successfully identified a working solution, we just need to improve it so that the chemistry between keycap plastics and adhesive glues would work. Another project on the further end of the enthusiast spectrum...

I was able to make the silicone stick more reliably cutting some groves into the surface,  but yea...  to do that for the whole board...

I've done that whole 7 point lube thing before..  I'm not going through it again..

[Oobly]

There's a huge issue with rebound noise on cherry which can't be reliably mitigated for the long term without constantly touching up on the upper dampening.

Are you referring to the rebounding sound of the spring upon releasing a keypress? If so, what kind of mod is there available to reduce it? I imagine the solution would be more complicated since it could involve the mechanism within the housing.

Latex mod: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50632.msg1113167#msg1113167

It's not as quiet as a silenced Topre, but it's quieter than a stock MX switch. Mine have been in use more than a year and they're still working well. None have come loose or got "sticky".

Also, instead of orings, I use pieces of rubber inside the tube in the switch as "trampolines" (IMSTO sells some silicone balls which work very well for this). More consistent than orings and they're keycap "agnostic".

Video of my latex and trampoline modded switches vs stock (medium thickness Keycool PBT caps):

[Art of Payce]

I like the sound (or the lack thereof, rather) of your mod.

I reckon "62g lubed and stickered, trampoline and latex modded Ergo Clears with thick PBT or POM caps"" is about as smooth, quiet, and good a feel as you can get, huh? Maybe you should go a little further into the rabbit hole and try those Gaterons in the GB right now. How long have you had this mod setup anyway? Any noticeable degradation in the gains over the years? I don't mean to hassle you, but let me ask specifically, how's that latex holding up? It seems much cleaner to apply than lube, which I don't want to do.

Me, I have to stop myself at O-rings. I just can't afford the time to have a higher maintenance KB.

[Oobly]

It's been about 15 months now and they've held up very well, no difference in sound or feel, still awesome I've been using SA profile caps on them recently.

Worn in Cherry MX switches can be as smooth as the Gaterons, but it's nice not to have to wear in the sliders. Unfortunately Gateron don't yet have an MX Clear equivalent. The Gateron "Clears" are 35g linears.

It's a bit tricky to apply the latex since it's such a small area you need to cover, but once you've done one or two you get used to it and they become easier.

Orings have a similar feel to the trampolines and if you don't change keycaps much, they do the job just as well (assuming the keycaps have crosspieces at the same height for each row).