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Windows 7 update gone haywire
« on: Fri, 20 March 2015, 15:21:28 »
This week, every time I boot up to Windows 7, the OS goes through a long process and tells me that there is a security update that needs to run.

I have installed it every day, seemingly successfully, but it spends a very long time shutting down and goes through the same throes of agony the next time I boot up.

Did Microsoft put out a bad update this Tuesday or something?

Are any of the rest of you having these troubles?
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Re: Windows 7 update gone haywire
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 20 March 2015, 15:29:37 »
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Re: Windows 7 update gone haywire
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 21 March 2015, 03:18:24 »
I've installed the latest round of updates without issue.  That includes the malicious software removal tool and defender updates.

My work PC (for 'tis upon that I installed the updates) is getting generally slower at booting - a full update cycle takes around 30 minutes.

I haven't had to reboot since, but haven't noticed anything amiss in its operation.
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Re: Windows 7 update gone haywire
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 21 March 2015, 08:35:18 »
Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 21 March 2015, 03:18:24
- a full update cycle takes around 30 minutes.

I haven't had to reboot since,

Damn!

It is security update KB3033929 that keeps failing. During boot, it almost makes it to Windows desktop, says it is doing something to update the registry, then blinks off and starts over and reverts to the previous state.

This is apparently a big problem for Windows 7 64-bit users who dual-boot. Apparently my GRUB2/openSUSE setup is not tolerated by Microsoft:

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/a08ad884-6b05-4632-8f28-2568eb97b636/update-kb3033929-fails-with-error-code-80004005?forum=w7itprosecurity
« Last Edit: Sat, 21 March 2015, 08:47:28 by fohat.digs »
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That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
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Re: Windows 7 update gone haywire
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 21 March 2015, 09:36:45 »
Quote from: fohat.digs on Sat, 21 March 2015, 08:35:18
Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 21 March 2015, 03:18:24
- a full update cycle takes around 30 minutes.

I haven't had to reboot since,

Damn!

It is security update KB3033929 that keeps failing. During boot, it almost makes it to Windows desktop, says it is doing something to update the registry, then blinks off and starts over and reverts to the previous state.

This is apparently a big problem for Windows 7 64-bit users who dual-boot. Apparently my GRUB2/openSUSE setup is not tolerated by Microsoft:

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/a08ad884-6b05-4632-8f28-2568eb97b636/update-kb3033929-fails-with-error-code-80004005?forum=w7itprosecurity

I believe an easier solution is to have separate hard drives for separate OS'es.  I find this works well for me.  When you want a different OS, switch drives to boot in BIOS, done.

I find that to be the very best solution.  I actually have a common drive for data/applications so I can use them with either OS.  You might want to invest and try that fohat.
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Re: Windows 7 update gone haywire
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 19:23:20 »
Quote from: Snowdog993 on Sat, 21 March 2015, 09:36:45

I believe an easier solution is to have separate hard drives for separate OS'es. 

When you want a different OS, switch drives to boot in BIOS, done.


OK, I reached the point where I was ready for this. I will keep it short and sweet and provide more details if needed.

Existing:

C:drive = Windows 7 programs in a single 128GB partition on SSD
D:drive = openSUSE 13.2/KDE4 in about 200GB (I think it created about 3 partitions) + 800GB NTFS partition on  a 1TB disk

New:

"E:drive" = openSUSE 13.2/KDE4 in about 200GB (already installed successfully) + 800GB as yet unallocated (but eventually to be NTFS) on a new 1TB disk

What I hope to accomplish is to delete the Linux partitions on "D:" and extend the single NTFS partition to use the whole thing, booting to "E" as "first boot disk" in BIOS (aka UEFI, I am old and stubborn) when I want Linux instead of Windows.

Where I am feeling trepidation is that even if I select C: in BIOS/UEFI as "first boot disk" it takes me to GRUB2.
I need for Windows 7 to be the default OS.

I am pretty sure that GRUB2 is on "D:" as part of the earlier openSUSE installation and I don't want to jeopardize my Windows installation.

My feeble understanding is that Windows looks for MBR so how do I find/rebuild/re-create that MBR on "C:" without re-installing Windows or damaging my current installation?

Worst case scenario - I will trash or re-build any part of the Linux install but I want to preserve the Windows install.

Thanks in advance.
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That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
- Marc Sumner 2025-05-30

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Re: Windows 7 update gone haywire
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 24 April 2015, 14:42:00 »
Start over. Do it right this 1 time with image backup and you wont have to solve these bugs again. Just restore
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Re: Windows 7 update gone haywire
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 28 April 2015, 12:49:59 »
I don't know if I'll ever get why people still run a Windows OS that's almost 6 years old now
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Re: Windows 7 update gone haywire
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 28 April 2015, 13:39:39 »
Quote from: daerid on Tue, 28 April 2015, 12:49:59
I don't know if I'll ever get why people still run a Windows OS that's almost 6 years old now


Works well. Upgrading cost money and takes time. I don't feel the need for new features, at least not now. I am not against change, but I am not always rushed to get something new only because it's new and exists.


The new one might be better, but is far from a necessity. I will change to the next OS when it's a good timing for me, not just because a new version is available.


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Re: Windows 7 update gone haywire
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 28 April 2015, 13:43:16 »
When did you first time your felt like Windows ever had to update?
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Re: Windows 7 update gone haywire
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 28 April 2015, 13:54:07 »
Quote from: Lain1911 on Tue, 28 April 2015, 13:43:16
When did you first time your felt like Windows ever had to update?


If you say that, you never experienced windows before XP.


Win 95 and 98, while good for the era, had blue screens of death. There was a good evolution between each of them.


Then I experienced windows Millenium. I wanted to upgrade this one the second I started using it.


Then came XP. XP was the first real stable Windows OS.


Vista was ok, just not very much game changing.


Windows 7 made 64 bit more natural and improved memory management a lot. There's much more benefits, but I don't really know them exactly.


Windows 8, as far as I know (never used it yet), has improved a lot on resource management (cpu, memory, etc.). It was meant to be deployed on ARM processors and still be fully functional (that's what I was told). Like I said, I never used it. I would be happy to have it, but I don't feel a need to have it.


Win X will probably be my next one.
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Re: Windows 7 update gone haywire
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 02 May 2015, 07:28:04 »
Quote from: daerid on Tue, 28 April 2015, 12:49:59
I don't know if I'll ever get why people still run a Windows OS that's almost 6 years old now

I agree. Windows 7 is so clunky. My work forces us to use it. I have a multi-monitor setup and not being able to have the taskbar on more than one monitor drives me ape**** crazy. Windows 8 has been out how long and it's still not in use with my employer?

On the upside, if they're dragging their feet to be one release behind, I guess it's good that Windows 10 is around the corner. Windows 8.1 is just so vastly superior to Windows 7 it's not even funny. It just sucks that it's perceived to be so bad.

People are dumb. That's my mantra.
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Re: Windows 7 update gone haywire
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 02 May 2015, 07:36:18 »
I am going to close the thread.

The bottom line is that Micro$oft releases bad updates from time to time.

This particular one was a tug-of-war resulting from a dual-boot scenario that I had set up. I have since changed my setup and re-installed Windows and Ubuntu.

However, now the cumulative update for IE11 just will not "take" and apparently there is a tangle in the number and order of preceding updates that have to happen first.

As far as going to 8.1, I will probably be doing that in the near future. Otherwise, except for these occasional annoyances, I have been very pleased with Windows 7.
 
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That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
- Marc Sumner 2025-05-30
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