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Offline manofinterests

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Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 10:23:46 »
Here's my current list at PCPart Picker:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/m37G7P

I wanted to know what you guys think of my selection. I also had a few questions!

Water cooled CPUs, worth it or over hyped?
Do I need the extra 80mm fan the case has a slot for?
Will that mobo get the job done? or should I be lookin' for other alternatives?

Is this a possible CPU choice that might be a better bang for the buck?
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Boxed-I7-6700K-Processor-BX80662I76700K/dp/B012M8LXQW


I'm planning to use this PC for gaming and light video/media editing.

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 10:27:37 »
Do you have a Micro Center nearby? You could save a good $100-$200 on all of that at MC.

I have the same moBo and it was $98

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 10:34:22 »
Here's my current list at PCPart Picker:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/m37G7P

I wanted to know what you guys think of my selection. I also had a few questions!

Water cooled CPUs, worth it or over hyped?
Do I need the extra 80mm fan the case has a slot for?
Will that mobo get the job done? or should I be lookin' for other alternatives?

Is this a possible CPU choice that might be a better bang for the buck?
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Boxed-I7-6700K-Processor-BX80662I76700K/dp/B012M8LXQW


I'm planning to use this PC for gaming and light video/media editing.

I would say to start with an air cooler. Water coolers are if you're going to be overclocking your PC and really want to squeeze out the best performance. An aftermarket air cooler will do good enough for slight overclocking and regular use. I suggest the the Cooler Master Hyper Evo 212.

You don't need an extra 80mm case fan, but it will help keep your temperatures down. I'd say to start without it and add one if you find your computer getting too hot (again, very unlikely unless you're overclocking your CPU or GPU).

For gaming and light video/media editing the i-4790k is the way to go.

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 10:55:14 »
I think the build looks pretty good.  Is the video suite you use able to use the hyperthreading of the i7?  If not, the better bang for the buck would be to go with a 6600k and Z170 mobo. 

I would also look at a 290X if you are going anything less than Fury and are stuck with AMD.  The 390 is an overclocked and memory bumped 290, so with current pricing you can get a 290X for the same or less than a 390.  The difference in VRam is moot since 4gb is more than enough. 

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9290xedbd

Other than those items, the build looks good.  I have basically an older version of that build and it has been great.  (4670k/Z87/280X). 


Here is my version:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($244.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 290X 4GB Black Edition Double Dissipation Video Card  ($293.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ITX Mini ITX Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $948.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-14 11:52 EST-0500

I couldn't find the Corsair 250 for some reason on the list, so I went with another popular case that is also good for big cards.  I also upped the psu to Platinum. 
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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 10:58:04 »
Here's my current list at PCPart Picker:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/m37G7P

I wanted to know what you guys think of my selection. I also had a few questions!

Water cooled CPUs, worth it or over hyped?
Do I need the extra 80mm fan the case has a slot for?
Will that mobo get the job done? or should I be lookin' for other alternatives?

Is this a possible CPU choice that might be a better bang for the buck?
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Boxed-I7-6700K-Processor-BX80662I76700K/dp/B012M8LXQW


I'm planning to use this PC for gaming and light video/media editing.

I would say to start with an air cooler. Water coolers are if you're going to be overclocking your PC and really want to squeeze out the best performance. An aftermarket air cooler will do good enough for slight overclocking and regular use. I suggest the the Cooler Master Hyper Evo 212.

You don't need an extra 80mm case fan, but it will help keep your temperatures down. I'd say to start without it and add one if you find your computer getting too hot (again, very unlikely unless you're overclocking your CPU or GPU).

For gaming and light video/media editing the i-4790k is the way to go.

As someone who has used the H60 from Corsair and the EVO 212, I would second the EVO 212. I run my i5 4690k at 4Ghz in a Fractal Design R5, and the EVO 212 performed better for me. In my own personal opinion, water cooling is only worth it if you're over clocking a lot, and you're not getting a lower end model.

And for productivity, I also second the i7 4790k. That thing is a worker.
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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 11:53:26 »
I had a system built for me by Puget Systems. It has an overclocked (4.4 GHz) i7 5960X 8-core CPU with a Corsair Hydro Series H110 CPU Cooler and 6 Noctua 140 mm NF-A14 PWM fans in a Fractal Design Define R5 Titanium case. It has 32 GB RAM, 2 SSDs (Samsung 850 PRo 512 GB and 1 TB), and an Nvidia GTX 980 4 GB video card.

The Corsair Cooler and Noctua fans really make a difference -- not only for cooling, but for making the system incredibly quiet. At idle, the system is so quiet I cannot tell if it is running from sound alone. I only hear it when doing something highly compute-intensive when the fans rev up. This build sold me on water cooling and quality fans.

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 13:33:57 »
On PC part picker, it seems like there is compatibility issues with the EVO 212 and my corsair 250D case. Are there any other suggestions?

Also, how much of a difference is the 290x and the 390?

@badwrench, how are you liking your build? that looks like a pretty solid system with a good price. For me I just don't know enough about the differences about the 290x and the 390 to make the distinction if the 390 is a better route to go, or stick with the 290x.

Also, you couldn't find the corsair 250d case on your list because that gfx card is 5mm too large for the 250d case :/
« Last Edit: Sun, 14 February 2016, 13:35:58 by manofinterests »

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 13:44:12 »
Choose a different case. The 250D is gigantic for an ITX case yet still manages to have compatibility problems with certain cpu and gpu coolers - it's ridiculous.
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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 14:24:24 »
If you aren't in a huge hurry you could wait for Nvidia Pascal or AMD's next generation of cards. They shouldn't be too much longer, overall. And it'll be on the 14nm fabrication  process.

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 14:27:12 »
On PC part picker, it seems like there is compatibility issues with the EVO 212 and my corsair 250D case. Are there any other suggestions?

Also, how much of a difference is the 290x and the 390?

@badwrench, how are you liking your build? that looks like a pretty solid system with a good price. For me I just don't know enough about the differences about the 290x and the 390 to make the distinction if the 390 is a better route to go, or stick with the 290x.

Also, you couldn't find the corsair 250d case on your list because that gfx card is 5mm too large for the 250d case :/

The 390 has better cooling and slightly better performance than the 290X. You should check out some videos to see FPS comparison between games.

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 14:33:05 »
On PC part picker, it seems like there is compatibility issues with the EVO 212 and my corsair 250D case. Are there any other suggestions?

Also, how much of a difference is the 290x and the 390?

@badwrench, how are you liking your build? that looks like a pretty solid system with a good price. For me I just don't know enough about the differences about the 290x and the 390 to make the distinction if the 390 is a better route to go, or stick with the 290x.

Also, you couldn't find the corsair 250d case on your list because that gfx card is 5mm too large for the 250d case :/

If you are going for itx don't get a 250d that's a huge case and kills the form factor.

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 15:46:52 »
Water cooled CPUs, worth it or over hyped?
There is a quite heated debate over on overclock.net's forum right now about Closed-Loop Coolers vs. Tower Coolers.
The author of the thread does not like CLCs. He claims that they in general do not have any performance advantage over tower coolers - when comparing watts dissipated / dB.
He also finds them inferior to regular water-cooling - where you would hook up the reservoir, pump, waterblock and radiator yourself.
But I would look up tests results and compare them myself.
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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 15:53:38 »
Extra fans are dirt cheap and airflow is important. I make sure that front and rear fans work to create a nice jet stream through the case. My huge ancient beige tower has 2 front + 2 rear +1 top + 1 side, all 80mm.
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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 16:02:42 »
Great looking build, water cooling is definitely worth it if you are overclocking.
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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 16:08:06 »
Great looking build, water cooling is definitely worth it if you are overclocking.

I'm a power user with a 4790k and I find it pointless to overclock as I never used anything that requires full CPU power. Unless you are constantly rendering anything then it is worth it

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 16:38:44 »
Water cooled CPUs, worth it or over hyped?
There is a quite heated debate over on overclock.net's forum right now about Closed-Loop Coolers vs. Tower Coolers.
The author of the thread does not like CLCs. He claims that they in general do not have any performance advantage over tower coolers - when comparing watts dissipated / dB.
He also finds them inferior to regular water-cooling - where you would hook up the reservoir, pump, waterblock and radiator yourself.
But I would look up tests results and compare them myself.

I'd agree with the argument, as I've dealt with CLC and custom loops myself.

CLC is only worth it in space constrained locations where you need the cooling but don't have the space for a traditional tower heatsink. Quite a few SFF (Small Form Factor, > 20L volume) cases can benefit. I'd still rather use a smaller air based heatsink though. If I want to deal with pump noise or additional points of failure that come with introducing liquid to the system, I'd rather build a custom loop so I have full control over those variables and better performance. There are, however, some fairly decent all in one expandable units these days that could be a nice point of entry for those that are overwhelmed by diving straight into a custom loop.

A lot of this stems from the fact that overclocking is relatively pointless on the consumer chip Intel rigs for most usage scenarios. They already have relatively high base clocks and excellent IPC. My 6700K runs 4.0ghz / 4.2ghz boost stock - at 4.6ghz there is a minuscule benefit from overclocking. The HEDT platform - where Hypershere's mentioned 5960X comes from - is a different story.

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 17:26:17 »
On PC part picker, it seems like there is compatibility issues with the EVO 212 and my corsair 250D case. Are there any other suggestions?

Also, how much of a difference is the 290x and the 390?

@badwrench, how are you liking your build? that looks like a pretty solid system with a good price. For me I just don't know enough about the differences about the 290x and the 390 to make the distinction if the 390 is a better route to go, or stick with the 290x.

Also, you couldn't find the corsair 250d case on your list because that gfx card is 5mm too large for the 250d case :/

Ha!  Totally missed that.  Unless you are stuck on the 250D, there are better options out there.  Back when I built mine, it was one of the few good options that let you use a full size GPU and PSU.  As you noticed, it is also designed for a CLC water cooler.  Max tower cooler you can use is one of the 92mm units (EVGA, CoolerMaster, or Noctua).  I started there and upgraded when I found my Water 3.0 for under $50.  I am actually looking for a smaller case for myself and an ITX GTX 970.  Average performance is roughly the same as the 390/290x but power usage is much lower. 

This would be a killer little build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($244.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9x65 33.8 CFM CPU Cooler  ($49.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra II 960GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($248.39 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card  ($334.75 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: Silverstone 500W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Other: Cougar QBX Case ($55.00)
Total: $1218.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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This would be tiny, and quiet, and quite powerful.   :thumb:
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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 18:40:01 »
I like the QBX. It's heavily based on the NCASE M1, albeit larger to accommodate builds that use an ATX PSU. Great little SFF case.
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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 18:55:58 »
Since pcpartspicker.com does not list anything for storage, I would highly recommend a 250gb Samsung EVO 850 SSD. Use that for the Windows installation and an external usb storage to hold video.

Do you really need mini ITX or do you want a little more breathing room with a micro ATX instead?
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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 19:41:18 »
@Badwrench - I really like that last set up you posted, I'm a bit drawn to that although I don't know if I want to go the path of team red (R9 390) or team green (GTX 970). In terms of storage, that does look decent. Right now I have a spare 256gb samsung SSD and a 1tb HDD. That's a pretty awesome lookin' case as well!

@dan002 - I didn't list any storage options in my original build because I have an extra 256gb SSD and a 1TB HDD that I might re-use in my new system.

@appleonama - I'm considering moving away from the 250D case and considering the Cougar QBX case that has been recommended!

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 07:13:18 »
Here's my current list at PCPart Picker:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/m37G7P

I wanted to know what you guys think of my selection. I also had a few questions!

Water cooled CPUs, worth it or over hyped?
Do I need the extra 80mm fan the case has a slot for?
Will that mobo get the job done? or should I be lookin' for other alternatives?

Is this a possible CPU choice that might be a better bang for the buck?
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Boxed-I7-6700K-Processor-BX80662I76700K/dp/B012M8LXQW


I'm planning to use this PC for gaming and light video/media editing.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mRJTsY

This is a much smaller case (shoebox case) and is very awesome for cooling especially with included water cooler! Also was able to squeeze in 390X! This rig will flatten all! As for the case cable management I have included and sfx PSU and Water cooler so shouldnt be too difficult!

Also if you stretch a little you may be able to get the sapphire tri-X cooler for the GPU!
« Last Edit: Mon, 15 February 2016, 07:19:59 by ResonantPixel »

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 07:21:50 »
Get the 4790k..

it's just easier to work with when it comes to Overclocking.. the 6700k has no real advantages over it, and the IPC increase is nigh



As for watercooling..  it's great fun, but unnecessary if you're not gonna have any 24/7 sustained loads on an overclocked cpu.



Regardless of whether you water cool.... Delid-ing the cpu is super important, the difference in temperature is upwards of 15 Celcius..


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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 08:09:18 »
Get the 4790k..

it's just easier to work with when it comes to Overclocking.. the 6700k has no real advantages over it, and the IPC increase is nigh



As for watercooling..  it's great fun, but unnecessary if you're not gonna have any 24/7 sustained loads on an overclocked cpu.



Regardless of whether you water cool.... Delid-ing the cpu is super important, the difference in temperature is upwards of 15 Celcius..

If you are going balls to the walls then delid otherwise it is simply not worth the risk! You are mostly better of with air cooling I do have to agree, the only reason my aforementioned build has an aio is to make cooling in that case is to make it easy!

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Re: Working on a new computer build and wanted some input
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 10:19:56 »
De-liding the IHS from the wafer voids your warranty and you're lucky if you see a 15c drop on 1 core. It's typically anywhere from 5 - 15 across the range. I realize you said "upwards of 15" but this cannot be stressed enough, because many people think they will see massive temperature drops and end up disappointed. Over several generations I've only seen a select few cases where delidding and addressing a particularly poor TIM application from the factory really helped for stock operation, but otherwise it's really only beneficial for people doing serious overclocking.
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