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Need advice on handling a major sale
« on: Thu, 25 February 2016, 21:39:51 »
I'm on the verge of my biggest ever sale, but am uncertain how to handle it.

1) I want to sell what I have for as much as I can get. 

2) I want to avoid dealing with people with very few posts.

3) I want my stuff to go to as many people as possible. I know I'm going to make big losses no matter what, and I do not want to subsidize some collector. I WANT REAL USERS. I do not want to sell something I spent weeks working on, to some kid who displays it on his shelf.

4) I do not know the value of what I am selling, since nearly everything was modded without the intention to sell. Most of my Model M and F mods should be very usable for the general public, but the mods dearest to my heart - my jailhouse mods - have not elicited any enquiries to date.

5) I don't have time to negotiate with so many people I barely know, from two different forums, when I have many other items such as switches and keycaps to sell, etc.

Observations:

So far I have tried out the Price Check thread. I'm not getting any honest public responses to price and value estimates. I have received enquiries from longtime members like riotonthebay, but he didn't know what was a good price either.

Despite stating clearly repeatedly that things are not for sale now and this is the Price Check stage, I have received dozens of low ball offers on DA and GH from people with very few posts. A lot of kids are hoping to get something dirt cheap, but I'm not even sure if they know what they are getting because they have so few posts. They are not my ideal buyer.

Silent Auction

Right now I think my best bet is in a silent auction that XMIT suggested. To comply with Geekhack rules I will post an idealized price. Since the price is high, it is unlikely to sell. But I will consider offers under that price from either DA or GH members.

Then for the next 2 weeks I will look at the offers I receive. I will apply discounting to offers from people with very few posts. I will 'add value' to the offers from active members. EG I will take a 20% lower offer from riotonthebay, over an offer from someone with under 50 posts.

After 2 weeks I respond to the offers I like, people pay, stuff is sent out over the next few weeks.

Let's discuss this publicly. What is ok, and what is not. How to achieve my goals without violating any fine print rules. I don't want a zealous mod to step in suddenly and suspend my threads. Geekhack is full of zealous mods who will not hesitate to cut and paste all the rules. I am also not experienced with selling on DA, having mostly used it to enquire about Tipros in the past. Is silent auction allowed on DA? Will GH refuse to let me link to my DA thread? Will GH consider me posting a high price and asking for offers, as a violation of their rules?
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 26 February 2016, 00:10:47 »
I'm on the verge of my biggest ever sale, but am uncertain how to handle it.

1) I want to sell what I have for as much as I can get. 

2) I want to avoid dealing with people with very few posts.

3) I want my stuff to go to as many people as possible. I know I'm going to make big losses no matter what, and I do not want to subsidize some collector. I WANT REAL USERS. I do not want to sell something I spent weeks working on, to some kid who displays it on his shelf.

4) I do not know the value of what I am selling, since nearly everything was modded without the intention to sell. Most of my Model M and F mods should be very usable for the general public, but the mods dearest to my heart - my jailhouse mods - have not elicited any enquiries to date.

5) I don't have time to negotiate with so many people I barely know, from two different forums, when I have many other items such as switches and keycaps to sell, etc.

Observations:

So far I have tried out the Price Check thread. I'm not getting any honest public responses to price and value estimates. I have received enquiries from longtime members like riotonthebay, but he didn't know what was a good price either.

Despite stating clearly repeatedly that things are not for sale now and this is the Price Check stage, I have received dozens of low ball offers on DA and GH from people with very few posts. A lot of kids are hoping to get something dirt cheap, but I'm not even sure if they know what they are getting because they have so few posts. They are not my ideal buyer.

Silent Auction

Right now I think my best bet is in a silent auction that XMIT suggested. To comply with Geekhack rules I will post an idealized price. Since the price is high, it is unlikely to sell. But I will consider offers under that price from either DA or GH members.

Then for the next 2 weeks I will look at the offers I receive. I will apply discounting to offers from people with very few posts. I will 'add value' to the offers from active members. EG I will take a 20% lower offer from riotonthebay, over an offer from someone with under 50 posts.

After 2 weeks I respond to the offers I like, people pay, stuff is sent out over the next few weeks.

Let's discuss this publicly. What is ok, and what is not. How to achieve my goals without violating any fine print rules. I don't want a zealous mod to step in suddenly and suspend my threads. Geekhack is full of zealous mods who will not hesitate to cut and paste all the rules. I am also not experienced with selling on DA, having mostly used it to enquire about Tipros in the past. Is silent auction allowed on DA? Will GH refuse to let me link to my DA thread? Will GH consider me posting a high price and asking for offers, as a violation of their rules?

Hi! I still consider myself new so I don't think we've talked before

I did notice your thread, and maybe I should have asked where you're based out of, without knowing that it's hard to value items and their shipping costs, some things are worth more elsewhere (ex. Topre in EU can sell for a little more because of high VAT) . People also use a wide variety of shipping methods so it might be best to ask for prices, then add shipping on top of them.

Everyone deals with different users differently, I guess I'm a bit lenient with purchasing, to me if a user has the ability to make their own classifieds thread it might serve as a good baseline for who to deal with/not to deal with.

I'm almost positive auctions aren't allowed on GH anymore.

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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 26 February 2016, 02:23:36 »
Sales rules here are off-pissing as ****, and considering GH takes no responsibility for them I don't see why either. Threads often take ages to approve and auctioning or, as it seems, even offering OBO, is not allowed. I barely bother anymore, I just do it on DT. Quite a few items I've actually sold on DT before it got approved on GH :P .
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 26 February 2016, 05:36:31 »
Uuummm, if you want to sell as much of your stuff as you can, you can't be picky.  Sometimes the more interested and reliable buyers are not the most active posters.  Not all of us have the time or desire to make hundreds or thousands of post, and that doesn't make us any worse of a customer or person.
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 26 February 2016, 05:47:01 »
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 26 February 2016, 06:57:48 »
Uuummm, if you want to sell as much of your stuff as you can, you can't be picky.  Sometimes the more interested and reliable buyers are not the most active posters.  Not all of us have the time or desire to make hundreds or thousands of post, and that doesn't make us any worse of a customer or person.

Viva, everytime I offer stuff for free, I get tons of 0-post people. One of them even recently pestered me for an SSK. I can't even begin to tell you how annoying and suspicious some of these people are. When selling my precious work it is hard to accept dubious people who may wind up filing complaint because it was their first Model F and it was too noisy.

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1) I want to sell what I have for as much as I can get. 

mech market.

Reddit is full of sleazy people. I don't feel comfortable. Also there may be logistical issues coordinating with gh and dt listings.
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 26 February 2016, 07:27:06 »
Uuummm, if you want to sell as much of your stuff as you can, you can't be picky.  Sometimes the more interested and reliable buyers are not the most active posters.  Not all of us have the time or desire to make hundreds or thousands of post, and that doesn't make us any worse of a customer or person.

Viva, everytime I offer stuff for free, I get tons of 0-post people. One of them even recently pestered me for an SSK. I can't even begin to tell you how annoying and suspicious some of these people are. When selling my precious work it is hard to accept dubious people who may wind up filing complaint because it was their first Model F and it was too noisy.

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1) I want to sell what I have for as much as I can get. 

mech market.

Reddit is full of sleazy people. I don't feel comfortable. Also there may be logistical issues coordinating with gh and dt listings.
Your desire to sell for top dollar to a certain type of buyer are at odds with a smooth and easy process. You may consider handling the high value items separately and being less selective with the rest.

People are generally hesitant to buy from another country, especially one overseas, as most of your buyers will be, so you are already at a disadvantage. You may consider sending a bulk shipment to a trusted proxy in the US or splitting it and sending some to the EU, this would buy you time to describe your items in detail, determine fair prices, and state that preference will be given to more active members.

In regards to the number of sleezy characters on mechmarket; I've been on reddit for 10 years and GH for a year and the sleeze ratio is about the same imo.

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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 26 February 2016, 10:01:14 »
Your desire to sell for top dollar to a certain type of buyer are at odds with a smooth and easy process. You may consider handling the high value items separately and being less selective with the rest.

People are generally hesitant to buy from another country, especially one overseas, as most of your buyers will be, so you are already at a disadvantage. You may consider sending a bulk shipment to a trusted proxy in the US or splitting it and sending some to the EU, this would buy you time to describe your items in detail, determine fair prices, and state that preference will be given to more active members.

In regards to the number of sleezy characters on mechmarket; I've been on reddit for 10 years and GH for a year and the sleeze ratio is about the same imo.

You are right, of course. I have been wanting my stuff to go to people who will love these keyboards and use them, but sometimes collectors will pay much more.

When you got my SD card did it occur to you that I was overseas? Singapore post raised tracking fees, that's why your $3 couldn't cover cost of international tracking.

The last trusted proxy I had on geekhack, screwed me out of a LOT of money.

When you say you have been on reddit, did you actually conduct many transactions? That is the crucial thing. You see, on Geekhack I have come across a good many sleazy people, but these are overwhelmingly those with few posts (aka low social engagement, few friends on gh, etc.) On reddit I have no idea what to look out for, since I will be the noob and I wont' know at short notice who can be trusted.
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 26 February 2016, 15:58:24 »
Uuummm, if you want to sell as much of your stuff as you can, you can't be picky.  Sometimes the more interested and reliable buyers are not the most active posters.  Not all of us have the time or desire to make hundreds or thousands of post, and that doesn't make us any worse of a customer or person.

Viva, everytime I offer stuff for free, I get tons of 0-post people. One of them even recently pestered me for an SSK. I can't even begin to tell you how annoying and suspicious some of these people are. When selling my precious work it is hard to accept dubious people who may wind up filing complaint because it was their first Model F and it was too noisy.


I get this, too.  People want the best deal they can get.  The way that the mechanical keyboard has gone, I just sell to whomever is a willing buyer.  And unfortunately, mechmarket has turned into the go-to place because there are way too many restrictions on geekhack classifieds that make it too much of a hassle. 
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 26 February 2016, 22:11:26 »

I get this, too.  People want the best deal they can get.  The way that the mechanical keyboard has gone, I just sell to whomever is a willing buyer.  And unfortunately, mechmarket has turned into the go-to place because there are way too many restrictions on geekhack classifieds that make it too much of a hassle.

Vivar, I'm having a headache on reddit. I found and posted on the price check thread, but the whole thing is such a mess. I can't find the mechanical keyboard forum/ subforum/ thread/ section. I can't start any conversations with anyone. I can't even make a second post until NINE minutes have passed. And I certainly can't find the classifieds thread even. Could you give me suggestions?

BTW what are the restrictions on gh that you find most restrictive? I find the Reddit handwriting requirement most irritating because I would rather have a nicely printed sign. I actually took a few sales photos last October hoping I could move soon, but the Geek Bureaucrats (aka Mods) refused to allow these photos. So I had to retake, and I scrawled out the original date, and it looks damn ugly. If I'd thought my handwriting was so pretty I would not be typing so much on keyboards, wtf.
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 26 February 2016, 22:20:56 »

I get this, too.  People want the best deal they can get.  The way that the mechanical keyboard has gone, I just sell to whomever is a willing buyer.  And unfortunately, mechmarket has turned into the go-to place because there are way too many restrictions on geekhack classifieds that make it too much of a hassle.

Vivar, I'm having a headache on reddit. I found and posted on the price check thread, but the whole thing is such a mess. I can't find the mechanical keyboard forum/ subforum/ thread/ section. I can't start any conversations with anyone. I can't even make a second post until NINE minutes have passed. And I certainly can't find the classifieds thread even. Could you give me suggestions?

BTW what are the restrictions on gh that you find most restrictive? I find the Reddit handwriting requirement most irritating because I would rather have a nicely printed sign. I actually took a few sales photos last October hoping I could move soon, but the Geek Bureaucrats (aka Mods) refused to allow these photos. So I had to retake, and I scrawled out the original date, and it looks damn ugly. If I'd thought my handwriting was so pretty I would not be typing so much on keyboards, wtf.

Odds are you're not going to get any more details as to specific prices besides what Signature told you in the GH Price Check thread. It's just too much work.

The Price Check thread on reddit isn't particularly active (when it comes to suggesting prices), so you'll have even less luck there. When you do want to post, you'll have to list the price you want for each item on /r/mechmarket make sure to read and follow the rules or your post will be taken down.

There is a reason for the rules, and the handwritten timestamp is so that people don't Photoshop a fake date/username onto an old picture and try to scam others.

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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 27 February 2016, 01:39:02 »
I read this as: "need advice on handling a major scale"  :))
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 27 February 2016, 03:58:43 »
The Price Check thread on reddit isn't particularly active (when it comes to suggesting prices), so you'll have even less luck there. When you do want to post, you'll have to list the price you want for each item on /r/mechmarket make sure to read and follow the rules or your post will be taken down.

There is a reason for the rules, and the handwritten timestamp is so that people don't Photoshop a fake date/username onto an old picture and try to scam others.

The rules don't say anything against a silent auction, or OBO offers. What I don't want is to be halfway into a sale and suddenly the mods bring everything down.

As for the rules, I'm pretty sure most geeks have enough technical ability to photoshop their own HANDWRITTEN date and username over an old picture. I was tempted to try as well, to save on retaking photos originally labelled October 2015, but it wouldn't have made sense given that most of my collection would have to come out before I shipped anyway. So now I'm committing myself to having a one month period of chaos in the house before everything gets shipped.  >:D >:D >:D :'( :'( :'( :-\ :-\ :-\

BTW I am lost on reddit again. Can't find any of the threads that I posted in, can't find my own posts, can't find back the mechmarket thread.  :eek: :eek: :eek:
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 27 February 2016, 07:36:48 »
The Price Check thread on reddit isn't particularly active (when it comes to suggesting prices), so you'll have even less luck there. When you do want to post, you'll have to list the price you want for each item on /r/mechmarket make sure to read and follow the rules or your post will be taken down.

There is a reason for the rules, and the handwritten timestamp is so that people don't Photoshop a fake date/username onto an old picture and try to scam others.

The rules don't say anything against a silent auction, or OBO offers. What I don't want is to be halfway into a sale and suddenly the mods bring everything down.

As for the rules, I'm pretty sure most geeks have enough technical ability to photoshop their own HANDWRITTEN date and username over an old picture. I was tempted to try as well, to save on retaking photos originally labelled October 2015, but it wouldn't have made sense given that most of my collection would have to come out before I shipped anyway. So now I'm committing myself to having a one month period of chaos in the house before everything gets shipped.  >:D >:D >:D :'( :'( :'( :-\ :-\ :-\

BTW I am lost on reddit again. Can't find any of the threads that I posted in, can't find my own posts, can't find back the mechmarket thread.  :eek: :eek: :eek:
The rules say you must have an asking price, therefore auctions aren't allowed. OBO is allowed, but only works to lower your price ($50, OBO).

You can try to Photoshop whatever you want. The mods may catch it and ban you, or you just get away with it. It's not worth it at all since it takes literally 10 seconds to write that information on a piece of paper before photographing what you have.

To find your comments and submitted posts just click on your account name at the top-right hand corner of the webpage. That will give you your account overview and let you see everything you've posted. You could sort it by submitted comments, submitted posts, username mentions, and more.

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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 27 February 2016, 08:48:41 »
The rules say you must have an asking price, therefore auctions aren't allowed. OBO is allowed, but only works to lower your price ($50, OBO).

You can try to Photoshop whatever you want. The mods may catch it and ban you, or you just get away with it. It's not worth it at all since it takes literally 10 seconds to write that information on a piece of paper before photographing what you have.

To find your comments and submitted posts just click on your account name at the top-right hand corner of the webpage. That will give you your account overview and let you see everything you've posted. You could sort it by submitted comments, submitted posts, username mentions, and more.

I think the OBO part being allowed on reddit is most important. Geekhack isn't officially friendly to OBO even though everyone does it.

I didn't see any Reddit rules against cross posting on other sites, just one rule against linking to other sites. Am a bit leery of the logistical nightmare of listing on three sites at the same time. (GH, DT, Reddit).

Nah, I'm not going to photoshop. I lack the skills and it is not worth the potential trouble. I do have to take my stuff out anyway and look at it again to write accurate descriptions. But it was very annoying that my moving keeps being delayed. Building contractors in my part of the world are total scum and cannot be trusted. (You do know that in my part of the world there are building contractors who use tofu or styrofoam in building construction right?) :eek:
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 27 February 2016, 08:51:05 »
Sales rules here are off-pissing as ****, and considering GH takes no responsibility for them I don't see why either.

I absolutely agree with this. Selling here is absurdly cumbersome and Geekhackers are also cheap, so I have pretty much stopped using these Classifieds.

It is too bad that exceptions can't be made for a rare and unusual situation like this, with such a massive trove of odd and specialized gear, but setting or changing precedents is often a bad idea.
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 27 February 2016, 09:06:05 »
Hey bro first of all good luck in whatever you decide.  Are you getting out of the keyboard hobby?  You will be missed!

It sounds to me like the ideal audience for your BS stuff is DT; IMHO they tend to value the BS/vintage stuff quite a bit more than folks around here.  That said I am not active there so I selfishly want you to list here.  I don't know if many new folks appreciate jailhouse blues so it might help to do a couple of reviews, discussions, or videos to get some exposure and appreciate for the switches.

I too feel you about the confusion in navigating reddit.  I also feel that the folks there won't appreciate what you have to sell, even though they may be the most extravagant with their spending.  So I wouldn't even list there.

I don't know if the mods will get upset about having OBO prices on here.  Everyone does it, but I think if you put the price you would want to sell said item to a noobie and then let established members PM you offers that could work.

One option is to list it all on eBay for high prices OBO and link to the auctions everywhere.  You'll need to add in for fees, but then eBay organizes the offers for you so you don't have to wade through PMs.

Whatever you decide (as long as it's within the rules) don't take *** from anyone for the way you decide to sell or your prices.  It's your stuff, and you can sell it to whoever you want for whatever you want.  Sure there are people who do shady things, but you're an upstanding dude and I know you're not going to screw over anyone.
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 27 February 2016, 09:10:07 »
Sales rules here are off-pissing as ****, and considering GH takes no responsibility for them I don't see why either.

I absolutely agree with this. Selling here is absurdly cumbersome and Geekhackers are also cheap, so I have pretty much stopped using these Classifieds.

It is too bad that exceptions can't be made for a rare and unusual situation like this, with such a massive trove of odd and specialized gear, but setting or changing precedents is often a bad idea.

Fohat, you are responsible for this.  :p

If you had not inspired me and given me all that advice, would I have even considered touching a Model F-122?

That said, I just made a pun above. Your first advice was right. Vices (or clamps) are like THE most important tool for F-122 modding. I have put my many Model Fs back with hammer, spanner, wooden blocks, mallet, chisel handles. None of these are crucial tools. But not one Model F could have been put back together without my vices and clamps.
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 27 February 2016, 09:32:04 »
But not one Model F could have been put back together without my vices and clamps.

I did at least a couple of XTs and ATs without clamps, but I have fairly large and strong hands and I luckily had good original foam the first few times.

The big ones are MUCH harder to re-assemble and using stiffer foam makes it worse. After those first few, I almost never got any good foam again.
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #19 on: Sat, 27 February 2016, 09:38:09 »
I'm on the verge of my biggest ever sale, but am uncertain how to handle it.

1) I want to sell what I have for as much as I can get. 

That's fine that you want to sell for as much as you can get.  That's most people.  No one is looking to sell for as little as possible.  You should be able to ask for whatever price you want for your stuff without criticism or useless comments on your WTS threads.  Obviously no one needs to buy your stuff

2) I want to avoid dealing with people with very few posts.

Some of my easiest transactions have been with people who mostly lurk and some of my biggest headaches have been with GH'ers who contribute a LOT.  YMMV

3) I want my stuff to go to as many people as possible. I know I'm going to make big losses no matter what, and I do not want to subsidize some collector. I WANT REAL USERS. I do not want to sell something I spent weeks working on, to some kid who displays it on his shelf.

If your stuff is worth a lot and you're looking to sell it for as much as possible and you want "real users" then I think you'll have some issues.  Real users tend not to collect, unless you consider anyone with 30+ keyboards a real user?? And real collectors are real users in my opinion.   And anything modified and worked on won't usually go to true collectors and may be just too expensive for real users.

4) I do not know the value of what I am selling, since nearly everything was modded without the intention to sell. Most of my Model M and F mods should be very usable for the general public, but the mods dearest to my heart - my jailhouse mods - have not elicited any enquiries to date.

Once anything is modded or repaired then there is little value to true collectors who want mint and untouched.  At least that's how I felt when I collected a lot of vintage boards IBM and/or Cherry.  And I value unbuilt kits MUCH more than completed kits unless I know personally who built the kit.  And then I would still probably value the kit higher. 

5) I don't have time to negotiate with so many people I barely know, from two different forums, when I have many other items such as switches and keycaps to sell, etc.

I doubt that anything you're selling (I could be wrong of course) is so rare or expensive that it hasn't come up before.   And people only seem to get upset when artisan caps are sold (or bought) for extremely high prices.  But there's always eBay for cap and/or private sales via PM.  I'm fairly confident that most people here on GH know the individuals buying/selling artisan caps at above retail and it's obvious who the individuals buying/selling at retail are. 

Observations:

So far I have tried out the Price Check thread. I'm not getting any honest public responses to price and value estimates. I have received enquiries from longtime members like riotonthebay, but he didn't know what was a good price either.

Despite stating clearly repeatedly that things are not for sale now and this is the Price Check stage, I have received dozens of low ball offers on DA and GH from people with very few posts. A lot of kids are hoping to get something dirt cheap, but I'm not even sure if they know what they are getting because they have so few posts. They are not my ideal buyer.

Silent Auction

Right now I think my best bet is in a silent auction that XMIT suggested. To comply with Geekhack rules I will post an idealized price. Since the price is high, it is unlikely to sell. But I will consider offers under that price from either DA or GH members.

Then for the next 2 weeks I will look at the offers I receive. I will apply discounting to offers from people with very few posts. I will 'add value' to the offers from active members. EG I will take a 20% lower offer from riotonthebay, over an offer from someone with under 50 posts.

After 2 weeks I respond to the offers I like, people pay, stuff is sent out over the next few weeks.

Let's discuss this publicly. What is ok, and what is not. How to achieve my goals without violating any fine print rules. I don't want a zealous mod to step in suddenly and suspend my threads. Geekhack is full of zealous mods who will not hesitate to cut and paste all the rules. I am also not experienced with selling on DA, having mostly used it to enquire about Tipros in the past. Is silent auction allowed on DA? Will GH refuse to let me link to my DA thread? Will GH consider me posting a high price and asking for offers, as a violation of their rules?



I've long felt that people on GH should be free to post WTS ads right here on GH to allow a free exchange of goods without criticism or moderation.   I don't know for the life of me why people get so pissed at items listed with high prices attached.   Either offer, or move on.   If the item is priced fairly to someone it will sell.   If not, the seller has the option to lower the price and to continue to lower the price until the item sell. 

Not everyone on GH is cheap as someone pointed out.  Just my 2c on everything!!


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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 27 February 2016, 09:38:14 »
You know that I don't even use Model F anymore?

When modding, I found that what kept me going, was really the experience of history. I could show my kids history. Model F is a REAL mechanical keyboard with moving parts. This is what we came from.

As I will never tire of saying, Model F modding requires old fashioned vices and clamps.

Cherry MX modding requires multimeter.

One's electronic and pretty invisible. The other is really analog and mechanical.
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #21 on: Sat, 27 February 2016, 09:55:19 »
I think all these problems can be solved, if they'd give us mod privilege of personal for-sale threads..

And the one problem, where some Scammer got in here, we'd report them in a separate Scammers section..  So you'd have people weigh in on the scammers.. and that section can't be edited.

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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 28 February 2016, 00:28:42 »
Hey bro first of all good luck in whatever you decide.  Are you getting out of the keyboard hobby?  You will be missed!

I don't know if the mods will get upset about having OBO prices on here.  Everyone does it, but I think if you put the price you would want to sell said item to a noobie and then let established members PM you offers that could work.

One option is to list it all on eBay for high prices OBO and link to the auctions everywhere.  You'll need to add in for fees, but then eBay organizes the offers for you so you don't have to wade through PMs.

Whatever you decide (as long as it's within the rules) don't take *** from anyone for the way you decide to sell or your prices.  It's your stuff, and you can sell it to whoever you want for whatever you want.  Sure there are people who do shady things, but you're an upstanding dude and I know you're not going to screw over anyone.

Hello

Sorry I missed this as I was busy replying to fohat.

Am not getting out of hobby, merely clearing everything that I have no space for and never use. In future I’ll probably be ranting on the Off Topic threads, and keeping eyes open only for custom split ortholinear keyboard PCBs, Tipros offered for sale, etc.

I will probably just list on all three sites and pray that there is no logistical nightmare. I do not believe Redditors are extravagant in spending, except they overspend that really do not deserve that valuation. EG yesterday I saw Razer BW 2013 going for $80+ shipping. I quite doubt they would pay the same for a Model F $80+shipping.

I’ll make a video for the jailhouse blues.

Ebay is just feebay. They nickel and dime every seller. Not to mention, I’ve noticed fohat.digs doing really badly on ebay.

Talking about keeping within the rules, ha, even when I say something is NOT ready for sale, I still get inquiries. I racked up 11 inquiries already for my desoldered Filco 1 TKL and Filco 2 TKL. I posted a single public reply that hopefully will quiet down these folks. I have zero inquiries on any bolt modded M outside my SSK, so I guess you can say the interest level on Filco is infinitely greater than the interest level on bolt modded Ms? URK, these guys don’t even understand what I have done for them by bolt modding.
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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 28 February 2016, 00:33:27 »
needs to buy your stuff[/i][/b]




Not everyone on GH is cheap as someone pointed out.  Just my 2c on everything!! [/i][/b]

Aren't you the awesome guy who invented the floss mod?

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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 01 March 2016, 16:54:07 »
Just eBay it.

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Re: Need advice on handling a major sale
« Reply #25 on: Sat, 19 March 2016, 23:42:45 »
Your desire to sell for top dollar to a certain type of buyer are at odds with a smooth and easy process. You may consider handling the high value items separately and being less selective with the rest.

People are generally hesitant to buy from another country, especially one overseas, as most of your buyers will be, so you are already at a disadvantage. You may consider sending a bulk shipment to a trusted proxy in the US or splitting it and sending some to the EU, this would buy you time to describe your items in detail, determine fair prices, and state that preference will be given to more active members.

In regards to the number of sleezy characters on mechmarket; I've been on reddit for 10 years and GH for a year and the sleeze ratio is about the same imo.

You are right, of course. I have been wanting my stuff to go to people who will love these keyboards and use them, but sometimes collectors will pay much more.

When you got my SD card did it occur to you that I was overseas? Singapore post raised tracking fees, that's why your $3 couldn't cover cost of international tracking.

The last trusted proxy I had on geekhack, screwed me out of a LOT of money.

When you say you have been on reddit, did you actually conduct many transactions? That is the crucial thing. You see, on Geekhack I have come across a good many sleazy people, but these are overwhelmingly those with few posts (aka low social engagement, few friends on gh, etc.) On reddit I have no idea what to look out for, since I will be the noob and I wont' know at short notice who can be trusted.
Sorry I didn't see your reply, never got a notification for some reason.

Sorry someone screwed you. :/
Obviously, you can never fully trust anyone with valuable items, even those with the best intentions can suffer a change in attitude or circumstances through various events.

In regards to my reddit sales experience, I have nearly 100 transactions (estimated) across three different subreddits, 60-70 of them are recorded in their various feedback mechanisms. If you care, I also have an eBay account with 238 positive feedbacks (most people don't leave feedback so I'd guess my actual sales to be 600+).

There are a couple others that hangout here and on reddit that I would trust with my own collection, people I have trusted with my stuff and my money and whom I chat with often. There are trustworthy people out there but it's all up to you obviously. I see and appreciate the countless hours you have put into your collection and I think there are those out there who would care to own them nearly as much as you.

I hope you figure out a solution that works for you, I just wanted to point out that you do have options.

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