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Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
« on: Sat, 21 May 2016, 22:44:48 »
I lately got interested again in the Hollow earth theory, and after watching a few videos and reading many comments about it, I thought I make a attempt to clear up some common misconceptions about it, as well sowing you a crude diagram I made with paint to show you how I personally would explain it, or do understand it.

Here is a puush link to the diagram: http://puu.sh/p0zKB.png
Please take a look at it first, before reading any further. 

First misconception: There is a SUN in the inner earth.

-That is not possible, that should be common sense and that for many reasons I cannot get into here, but there are many great explanations to be found on to internet. In case of a central light and heat source it would be anything else than a star. The term SUN is only used to describe what it does, since anybody knows what the sun is. It was originally never actually suggested to be a actual sun or star. I expect this core to be a crystalline structure, whish was created during the forming of earth, due to extreme pressure and heat. This core is hot /liquid inside, therefore providing heat and light. It is allays surrounded/covered by a thick layer of gasses or clouds, that block most heat and light, so it doesn't burn the inner surface. That is due to the odd gravitational property's near the centre of earth, gasses would collect and thick clouds would form there.

Second misconception: The crust is too thin to support the weight of the earth, it would collapse.

-Some of the varying thicknesses whish are stated are downright ridiculous, going as low as only 10 to 50 km.
Fact is, the crust would be around 1300km or about 800 miles thick, centre of gravity being at  around 400 miles. Which leads us to the next misconception.

Third misconception: The centre of gravity is in the middle of earth, or at its centre.

-That is more something most people don't think about when talking about this topic than an actual misconception, but its worth mentioning. This is of cause not possible, the centre of gravity would be along the centre of the crust at around 400 miles down. The crust being about 800 thick.
That also answers the question about; if there are two large opening or holes at the poles, why do the oceans don't drain and flow into the inner earth? Its because that's not where the centre of gravity is, The waters are punched against the crust. Gravitational pull showed in the diagram. Although I should mention that in reality the hole is of cause MUCH large in diameter and the curvature is not nearly as steep. It would probably appear flat.

Another common misconception is: The earth cannot be hollow since calculations of size, gravity and mass compared to other planets don't add up!

This is actually rather simple and funny at the same time since its only common sense and logic, just like maths. If all planets and stars and hollow, and always where, the argument becomes invalid. The only thing that changes is that gravity is a bit stronger then we thought, there is just a bit less mass.
Imagine you are weighting cars that drive by. You now make a assumption of the volume or amount of stuff  in the trunk of the car. It tuned our that all cars only have a single small thing in the trunk, whish is otherwise empty. That dosan't mean that your calculations where wrong, just that this little thing weighted more the expected, it has unexpected properties. It is therefore respectively simple to adjust your assumptions or theory's.

This topic is not so much to argue  with you about the existence of a hollow earth, I only wanted to share my opinion and thoughts on it. Feel free to use the diagram  of any of this if you want, you don't have to credit me if you don't want, in the end is only a bit of research and common sense.

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Re: Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 21 May 2016, 22:47:52 »
Ok, yes.. but that isn't how planets are formed..

when the materials first accrete inwards, what would it deposit onto to create the cavity..

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Re: Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 21 May 2016, 22:52:07 »
Ok, yes.. but that isn't how planets are formed..

when the materials first accrete inwards, what would it deposit onto to create the cavity..

Well, how exactly planets are formed still remains a theory, but if they are formed out of hot gasses, whish get denser and hotter over time in the centre, what I suggested might very well be possible. Varying silicates would become denser and hotter in the centre, that way a crystal-like-structure could form. I of cause don't know how they would form, since that hasn't been professionally researched yet. But hot gasses are the most plausible explanation. I cant tell you tho how exactly they do or would behave. Gasses and liquids sometimes behave quite strange.
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Re: Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
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Re: Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 21 May 2016, 23:08:26 »
You must be extremely bored.

Pretty much.

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Re: Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 22 May 2016, 08:44:06 »
Ok, yes.. but that isn't how planets are formed..

when the materials first accrete inwards, what would it deposit onto to create the cavity..

I have made a quick little diagram, again with paint, to show you how I would imagine such a planet to be formed. Puush link: http://puu.sh/p11pi.png
Keep in mind, at this stage our planet would still rotate really fast, I think centrifugal force might play is not insignificant role in how the gasses and molten silicates would behave and form.
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Re: Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 22 May 2016, 10:04:46 »
Ok, yes.. but that isn't how planets are formed..

when the materials first accrete inwards, what would it deposit onto to create the cavity..

I have made a quick little diagram, again with paint, to show you how I would imagine such a planet to be formed. Puush link: http://puu.sh/p11pi.png
Keep in mind, at this stage our planet would still rotate really fast, I think centrifugal force might play is not insignificant role in how the gasses and molten silicates would behave and form.


Just because a balloon is possible,  doesn't mean it could form that way...


It would have to start solid to first create the outer shell,  then for some reason, the inside would have to go Poooof,  then the pressure pushes outwards making the planet larger,   but to have a strong enough shell at the earths current volumn

You'd already have quite a LARGE solid ball to begin with..    How would the center have so much potential energy stored up that it would suddenly expand in gas form..


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Re: Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 22 May 2016, 11:19:01 »
Ok, yes.. but that isn't how planets are formed..

when the materials first accrete inwards, what would it deposit onto to create the cavity..

I have made a quick little diagram, again with paint, to show you how I would imagine such a planet to be formed. Puush link: http://puu.sh/p11pi.png
Keep in mind, at this stage our planet would still rotate really fast, I think centrifugal force might play is not insignificant role in how the gasses and molten silicates would behave and form.


Just because a balloon is possible,  doesn't mean it could form that way...


It would have to start solid to first create the outer shell,  then for some reason, the inside would have to go Poooof,  then the pressure pushes outwards making the planet larger,   but to have a strong enough shell at the earths current volumn

You'd already have quite a LARGE solid ball to begin with..    How would the center have so much potential energy stored up that it would suddenly expand in gas form..

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I mean, isn't that pretty much what my picture tries to explain? Another more simple scenario would be that a planet starts solid, pressure and heat rise at its core, the crystal grows, but when it has reached a certain size or diameter the centrifugal energy of its rotation forces the liquid inside to flow away from the centre, collecting more close to the crust, making it partly hollow, why wouldn't that be possible?. If that doesn't make any sense I'm sorry. Next time I see that geologist from 100 years in the future I'll ask him, I promise.  :))
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Re: Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 22 May 2016, 11:36:30 »
Ok, yes.. but that isn't how planets are formed..

when the materials first accrete inwards, what would it deposit onto to create the cavity..

I have made a quick little diagram, again with paint, to show you how I would imagine such a planet to be formed. Puush link: http://puu.sh/p11pi.png
Keep in mind, at this stage our planet would still rotate really fast, I think centrifugal force might play is not insignificant role in how the gasses and molten silicates would behave and form.


Just because a balloon is possible,  doesn't mean it could form that way...


It would have to start solid to first create the outer shell,  then for some reason, the inside would have to go Poooof,  then the pressure pushes outwards making the planet larger,   but to have a strong enough shell at the earths current volumn

You'd already have quite a LARGE solid ball to begin with..    How would the center have so much potential energy stored up that it would suddenly expand in gas form..

Show Image


I mean, isn't that pretty much what my picture tries to explain? Another more simple scenario would be that a planet starts solid, pressure and heat rise at its core, the crystal grows, but when it has reached a certain size or diameter the centrifugal energy of its rotation forces the liquid inside to flow away from the centre, collecting more close to the crust, making it partly hollow, why wouldn't that be possible?. If that doesn't make any sense I'm sorry. Next time I see that geologist from 100 years in the future I'll ask him, I promise.  :))

Because centrifugal or, more accurately, centripetal force cannot act in all directions evenly at once. If that were the dominant force in creating the shape of our planet, our planet would be shaped like a donut and be completely unstable because zero force would be applied at the poles.

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Re: Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
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Re: Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 22 May 2016, 11:54:41 »
Ok, yes.. but that isn't how planets are formed..

when the materials first accrete inwards, what would it deposit onto to create the cavity..

I have made a quick little diagram, again with paint, to show you how I would imagine such a planet to be formed. Puush link: http://puu.sh/p11pi.png
Keep in mind, at this stage our planet would still rotate really fast, I think centrifugal force might play is not insignificant role in how the gasses and molten silicates would behave and form.


Just because a balloon is possible,  doesn't mean it could form that way...


It would have to start solid to first create the outer shell,  then for some reason, the inside would have to go Poooof,  then the pressure pushes outwards making the planet larger,   but to have a strong enough shell at the earths current volumn

You'd already have quite a LARGE solid ball to begin with..    How would the center have so much potential energy stored up that it would suddenly expand in gas form..

Show Image


I mean, isn't that pretty much what my picture tries to explain? Another more simple scenario would be that a planet starts solid, pressure and heat rise at its core, the crystal grows, but when it has reached a certain size or diameter the centrifugal energy of its rotation forces the liquid inside to flow away from the centre, collecting more close to the crust, making it partly hollow, why wouldn't that be possible?. If that doesn't make any sense I'm sorry. Next time I see that geologist from 100 years in the future I'll ask him, I promise.  :))

Because centrifugal or, more accurately, centripetal force cannot act in all directions evenly at once. If that were the dominant force in creating the shape of our planet, our planet would be shaped like a donut and be completely unstable because zero force would be applied at the poles.

"and be completely unstable because zero force would be applied at the poles.", well that would explain why there would be two big holes at the poles. IDK man, I'm no scientist, geologist or mathematician, don't use works like "centripetal force ", I'm loo lazy to look it up. If planets form out of hot gasses rather then rocks crashing into each other until they get big enough, it might be somehow possible, we don't know yet how these things behave exactly, neither can I explain it.

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Re: Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 22 May 2016, 12:02:55 »
Ok, yes.. but that isn't how planets are formed..

when the materials first accrete inwards, what would it deposit onto to create the cavity..

I have made a quick little diagram, again with paint, to show you how I would imagine such a planet to be formed. Puush link: http://puu.sh/p11pi.png
Keep in mind, at this stage our planet would still rotate really fast, I think centrifugal force might play is not insignificant role in how the gasses and molten silicates would behave and form.


Just because a balloon is possible,  doesn't mean it could form that way...


It would have to start solid to first create the outer shell,  then for some reason, the inside would have to go Poooof,  then the pressure pushes outwards making the planet larger,   but to have a strong enough shell at the earths current volumn

You'd already have quite a LARGE solid ball to begin with..    How would the center have so much potential energy stored up that it would suddenly expand in gas form..

Show Image


I mean, isn't that pretty much what my picture tries to explain? Another more simple scenario would be that a planet starts solid, pressure and heat rise at its core, the crystal grows, but when it has reached a certain size or diameter the centrifugal energy of its rotation forces the liquid inside to flow away from the centre, collecting more close to the crust, making it partly hollow, why wouldn't that be possible?. If that doesn't make any sense I'm sorry. Next time I see that geologist from 100 years in the future I'll ask him, I promise.  :))

Because centrifugal or, more accurately, centripetal force cannot act in all directions evenly at once. If that were the dominant force in creating the shape of our planet, our planet would be shaped like a donut and be completely unstable because zero force would be applied at the poles.

"and be completely unstable because zero force would be applied at the poles.", well that would explain why there would be two big holes at the poles. IDK man, I'm no scientist, geologist or mathematician, don't use works like "centripetal force ", I'm loo lazy to look it up. If planets form out of hot gasses rather then rocks crashing into each other until they get big enough, it might be somehow possible, we don't know yet how these things behave exactly, neither can I explain it.

You'll make MSPaint diagrams to explain ideas you don't even understand, but not look up a simple phrase that might help you understand the argument you're making.

That's very conspiracy theorist of you.

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Re: Hollow earth theory; a quick diagram
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 22 May 2016, 12:21:21 »
Ok, yes.. but that isn't how planets are formed..

when the materials first accrete inwards, what would it deposit onto to create the cavity..

I have made a quick little diagram, again with paint, to show you how I would imagine such a planet to be formed. Puush link: http://puu.sh/p11pi.png
Keep in mind, at this stage our planet would still rotate really fast, I think centrifugal force might play is not insignificant role in how the gasses and molten silicates would behave and form.


Just because a balloon is possible,  doesn't mean it could form that way...


It would have to start solid to first create the outer shell,  then for some reason, the inside would have to go Poooof,  then the pressure pushes outwards making the planet larger,   but to have a strong enough shell at the earths current volumn

You'd already have quite a LARGE solid ball to begin with..    How would the center have so much potential energy stored up that it would suddenly expand in gas form..

Show Image


I mean, isn't that pretty much what my picture tries to explain? Another more simple scenario would be that a planet starts solid, pressure and heat rise at its core, the crystal grows, but when it has reached a certain size or diameter the centrifugal energy of its rotation forces the liquid inside to flow away from the centre, collecting more close to the crust, making it partly hollow, why wouldn't that be possible?. If that doesn't make any sense I'm sorry. Next time I see that geologist from 100 years in the future I'll ask him, I promise.  :))

Because centrifugal or, more accurately, centripetal force cannot act in all directions evenly at once. If that were the dominant force in creating the shape of our planet, our planet would be shaped like a donut and be completely unstable because zero force would be applied at the poles.

"and be completely unstable because zero force would be applied at the poles.", well that would explain why there would be two big holes at the poles. IDK man, I'm no scientist, geologist or mathematician, don't use works like "centripetal force ", I'm loo lazy to look it up. If planets form out of hot gasses rather then rocks crashing into each other until they get big enough, it might be somehow possible, we don't know yet how these things behave exactly, neither can I explain it.

You'll make MSPaint diagrams to explain ideas you don't even understand, but not look up a simple phrase that might help you understand the argument you're making.

That's very conspiracy theorist of you.


Nah, I just don't feel like it right now, I actually have looked it up xD Don't worry, my comment was meant more in a funny way then serious, I understood what you meant. But since so far as I know there aren't any people who are doing professional research in the field of the forming process of hollow planets, there isn't really anything I can add to that, since I'm so expert in that field. I can only say that it could be somehow possible with a combination of yet unexplored circumstances, or it is not. There are even a few people who are claiming that the holes in the north and south pole are wormholes that lead into another dimension or parallel universe. Well... that would certainly be something ^^.
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