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Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 01:54:43 »
I dunno if I can put up with 4 years of that noise.

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 02:45:22 »
Pretty much all older women sound like that..

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 03:05:54 »
I'll take the supposed vulture sounds over a talking cheeto puff.

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 03:08:08 »
I'll take the supposed vulture sounds over a talking cheeto puff.


Here's my take..

If you vote for hillary,  it's just going to be nothing-nothing-nothing..


If you vote for Trump,  He's gonna do some Reddit material funny stuff..


We go to war to destabilize the middle east, to keep oil prices down, and to generate expenses in our economy..

--->> this would fundamentally occur under any administration..



So, at least with TRUMP,  we get the reddit stuff.. 

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 04:29:49 »
Who would you rather have, someone that doesn't really say anything interesting, or a man who is actively trying to be evil? Oo
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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 04:57:10 »
Who would you rather have, someone that doesn't really say anything interesting, or a man who is actively trying to be evil? Oo

I'd take the EVIL..


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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 05:16:31 »
I'm so glad I don't have to listen to her and hot air bad hair man. God bless living in Ireland, where all our politicians are pretty inoffensive and bland.
   
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 05:18:46 »
I'm so glad I don't have to listen to her and hot air bad hair man. God bless living in Ireland, where all our politicians are pretty inoffensive and bland.
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 07:35:40 »
"America is great, because America is good."

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 07:52:47 »
Bernie would not have started a new war in the mid-east.
From the US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8 :

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To provide for calling forth the Militia  to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 09:00:11 »
Bernie would not have started a new war in the mid-east.


Hahahahaha

You are the dimmest Old person I know..


Who's gonna pay for all the social welfare Bernie was handing out.. ?

How are we to afford the JOBS kept in America ?



What's America's #1 Export?

OH right,  FINANCIAL DEBT...


How do we GENERATE financial DEBT, MILITARY SPENDING, WARS, Predatory lending (which leads to wars)  and Printing Bonds..

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 16:25:57 »
Who's going to pay for the wall?
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From the US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8 :

The   Congress   shall have Power
To declare War,  grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To provide for calling forth the Militia  to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 16:47:08 »
Who's going to pay for the wall?

They're not building the wall.. It's just an attention grabber..

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 16:49:21 »
Who's going to pay for the wall?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

Suuuuuuuuuuuuure...

Also I'm glad I'm at work so that isn't on my internet history at home.
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 17:01:10 »
nick stay in the uk discussion threads :P

This is going to affect us so much I don't even want to think about what's gonna happen  :'(
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 17:46:52 »
nick stay in the uk discussion threads :P

This is going to affect us so much I don't even want to think about what's gonna happen  :'(

No it will not..

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 17:54:48 »
nick stay in the uk discussion threads :P

This is going to affect us so much I don't even want to think about what's gonna happen  :'(

No it will not..

So with the relationship that the USA and the UK have, you don't think that a new President with a foreign policy like his will be a ****ing massive drama? With the process of Brexit looming as well?
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 18:11:15 »
nick stay in the uk discussion threads :P

This is going to affect us so much I don't even want to think about what's gonna happen  :'(

No it will not..

So with the relationship that the USA and the UK have, you don't think that a new President with a foreign policy like his will be a ****ing massive drama? With the process of Brexit looming as well?

Drama yes..

But when it comes to the Hard stuff.. the stuff that matter,  I doubt it'd make a difference..   Choices in those areas are dictated by economics far more than opinion.

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« Reply #21 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 18:20:52 »
Drama yes..

But when it comes to the Hard stuff.. the stuff that matter,  I doubt it'd make a difference..   Choices in those areas are dictated by economics far more than opinion.

You think America is going to be taken seriously in a world they are having less economic power in, with a guy who starts all of his international relations by either "calling people out" or calling people names?
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 18:24:54 »

You think America is going to be taken seriously in a world they are having less economic power in, with a guy who starts all of his international relations by either "calling people out" or calling people names?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/09/opinion/the-making-of-an-ignoramus.html?_r=0




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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 18:38:52 »
Drama yes..

But when it comes to the Hard stuff.. the stuff that matter,  I doubt it'd make a difference..   Choices in those areas are dictated by economics far more than opinion.

You think America is going to be taken seriously in a world they are having less economic power in, with a guy who starts all of his international relations by either "calling people out" or calling people names?


People take America seriously because of Aircraft Carriers and Nuclear weapons..  What Trump says has the full backing of said Carriers and Nukes..

That's how the world works.. or are we back to kindergarten telling kids oh, violence is not the answer, gotta be nice to everyone. hahahaha

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 19:20:20 »
Drama yes..

But when it comes to the Hard stuff.. the stuff that matter,  I doubt it'd make a difference..   Choices in those areas are dictated by economics far more than opinion.

You think America is going to be taken seriously in a world they are having less economic power in, with a guy who starts all of his international relations by either "calling people out" or calling people names?


People take America seriously because of Aircraft Carriers and Nuclear weapons..  What Trump says has the full backing of said Carriers and Nukes..

That's how the world works.. or are we back to kindergarten telling kids oh, violence is not the answer, gotta be nice to everyone. hahahaha


That's not how international relations work when you have economic power.

  • Mean words
  • Friends saying mean words
  • Economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • Shows of force
  • Then actual violence

America's military might is not so much of a threat anymore. They may sail carriers around the world, but that does nothing. Have China pulled back in the South China Sea? No. Have Russia pulled back in Crimea? No. Have Somali pirates stopped in the Arabian Sea? No. In all these places, the USA has a large presence, and it has swayed nothing.

Military might has a lot less sway on the international stage since the UN has grown in influence, and since the start of the war on terror. Economic power is a lot more important, because military intervention is so frowned upon.
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 19:24:20 »
Drama yes..

But when it comes to the Hard stuff.. the stuff that matter,  I doubt it'd make a difference..   Choices in those areas are dictated by economics far more than opinion.

You think America is going to be taken seriously in a world they are having less economic power in, with a guy who starts all of his international relations by either "calling people out" or calling people names?


People take America seriously because of Aircraft Carriers and Nuclear weapons..  What Trump says has the full backing of said Carriers and Nukes..

That's how the world works.. or are we back to kindergarten telling kids oh, violence is not the answer, gotta be nice to everyone. hahahaha


That's not how international relations work when you have economic power.

  • Mean words
  • Friends saying mean words
  • Economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • Shows of force
  • Then actual violence

America's military might is not so much of a threat anymore. They may sail carriers around the world, but that does nothing. Have China pulled back in the South China Sea? No. Have Russia pulled back in Crimea? No. Have Somali pirates stopped in the Arabian Sea? No. In all these places, the USA has a large presence, and it has swayed nothing.

Military might has a lot less sway on the international stage since the UN has grown in influence, and since the start of the war on terror. Economic power is a lot more important, because military intervention is so frowned upon.


There is No Economy without THE MILITARY,  they're the one and the same..

Every first world nation is a Military industrial complex..


You move this dollar and cents all over the world, it's fundamentally NOTHING..

You get people to convert labor into BOMBS PLANES and Carriers,   THAT is fundamentally what the COUNTRY IS..

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 20:06:44 »
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Drama yes..

But when it comes to the Hard stuff.. the stuff that matter,  I doubt it'd make a difference..   Choices in those areas are dictated by economics far more than opinion.

You think America is going to be taken seriously in a world they are having less economic power in, with a guy who starts all of his international relations by either "calling people out" or calling people names?


People take America seriously because of Aircraft Carriers and Nuclear weapons..  What Trump says has the full backing of said Carriers and Nukes..

That's how the world works.. or are we back to kindergarten telling kids oh, violence is not the answer, gotta be nice to everyone. hahahaha


That's not how international relations work when you have economic power.

  • Mean words
  • Friends saying mean words
  • Economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • Shows of force
  • Then actual violence

America's military might is not so much of a threat anymore. They may sail carriers around the world, but that does nothing. Have China pulled back in the South China Sea? No. Have Russia pulled back in Crimea? No. Have Somali pirates stopped in the Arabian Sea? No. In all these places, the USA has a large presence, and it has swayed nothing.

Military might has a lot less sway on the international stage since the UN has grown in influence, and since the start of the war on terror. Economic power is a lot more important, because military intervention is so frowned upon.


There is No Economy without THE MILITARY,  they're the one and the same..

Every first world nation is a Military industrial complex..


You move this dollar and cents all over the world, it's fundamentally NOTHING..

You get people to convert labor into BOMBS PLANES and Carriers,   THAT is fundamentally what the COUNTRY IS..

Luxembourg says hello.  Japan until recently had no standing military and one of the most vibrant economies in the world.  And that's just off the top of my head.  There are many countries that are not driven by the military industrial complex.

And, historically, the US military expenses have been rather low.  It was only after WWII that you really saw the military not shrink in size and budget.  The problem is exactly the one that Eisenhower warned of, the military and the economy becoming entrenched in one another, a problem whereby wars become necessary to maintain the appearance that money is circulating.

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 22 August 2016, 20:09:54 »
There is No Economy without THE MILITARY,  they're the one and the same..

Every first world nation is a Military industrial complex..


You move this dollar and cents all over the world, it's fundamentally NOTHING..

You get people to convert labor into BOMBS PLANES and Carriers,   THAT is fundamentally what the COUNTRY IS..

Mmmm... No.... That's not true....

Yeah, no.
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 02:53:44 »
Drama yes..

But when it comes to the Hard stuff.. the stuff that matter,  I doubt it'd make a difference..   Choices in those areas are dictated by economics far more than opinion.

You think America is going to be taken seriously in a world they are having less economic power in, with a guy who starts all of his international relations by either "calling people out" or calling people names?


People take America seriously because of Aircraft Carriers and Nuclear weapons..  What Trump says has the full backing of said Carriers and Nukes..

That's how the world works.. or are we back to kindergarten telling kids oh, violence is not the answer, gotta be nice to everyone. hahahaha


That's not how international relations work when you have economic power.

  • Mean words
  • Friends saying mean words
  • Economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • Shows of force
  • Then actual violence

America's military might is not so much of a threat anymore. They may sail carriers around the world, but that does nothing. Have China pulled back in the South China Sea? No. Have Russia pulled back in Crimea? No. Have Somali pirates stopped in the Arabian Sea? No. In all these places, the USA has a large presence, and it has swayed nothing.

Military might has a lot less sway on the international stage since the UN has grown in influence, and since the start of the war on terror. Economic power is a lot more important, because military intervention is so frowned upon.


There is No Economy without THE MILITARY,  they're the one and the same..

Every first world nation is a Military industrial complex..


You move this dollar and cents all over the world, it's fundamentally NOTHING..

You get people to convert labor into BOMBS PLANES and Carriers,   THAT is fundamentally what the COUNTRY IS..
It's probably closer to the opposite actually. If not for the US putting every dollar it owns into the military, it would probably be a lot more well-faring.
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 03:48:45 »
Drama yes..

But when it comes to the Hard stuff.. the stuff that matter,  I doubt it'd make a difference..   Choices in those areas are dictated by economics far more than opinion.

You think America is going to be taken seriously in a world they are having less economic power in, with a guy who starts all of his international relations by either "calling people out" or calling people names?


People take America seriously because of Aircraft Carriers and Nuclear weapons..  What Trump says has the full backing of said Carriers and Nukes..

That's how the world works.. or are we back to kindergarten telling kids oh, violence is not the answer, gotta be nice to everyone. hahahaha


That's not how international relations work when you have economic power.

  • Mean words
  • Friends saying mean words
  • Economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • Shows of force
  • Then actual violence

America's military might is not so much of a threat anymore. They may sail carriers around the world, but that does nothing. Have China pulled back in the South China Sea? No. Have Russia pulled back in Crimea? No. Have Somali pirates stopped in the Arabian Sea? No. In all these places, the USA has a large presence, and it has swayed nothing.

Military might has a lot less sway on the international stage since the UN has grown in influence, and since the start of the war on terror. Economic power is a lot more important, because military intervention is so frowned upon.


There is No Economy without THE MILITARY,  they're the one and the same..

Every first world nation is a Military industrial complex..


You move this dollar and cents all over the world, it's fundamentally NOTHING..

You get people to convert labor into BOMBS PLANES and Carriers,   THAT is fundamentally what the COUNTRY IS..
It's probably closer to the opposite actually. If not for the US putting every dollar it owns into the military, it would probably be a lot more well-faring.

You'd may become alot richer on paper..  But you'd have no say in anything at all..


If we get down to the basics..  Why do the smaller nations subject themselves to buying OUR debt doing OUR labor, while we reap the benefits..

Because as-is,  IF WE HAD TO,  all we would need to do is stage a small scale international incident, GO IN and TAKE THEIR STUFF... Call it freedom...



Whether we'd do that is besides the point,   the fact that we COULD means everything..



Look at Germany,  They're RICH.. ON PAPER..  but no bombs, no planes, no carriers...   What is their bargain with the world..


YEA,,  look at me, I make the best cars...  America says, alrite cool,  give us the cars.. here's this piece of paper with a number on it, it says you gave me these cars..  now fk off, /freedom.







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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 03:54:00 »
Drama yes..

But when it comes to the Hard stuff.. the stuff that matter,  I doubt it'd make a difference..   Choices in those areas are dictated by economics far more than opinion.

You think America is going to be taken seriously in a world they are having less economic power in, with a guy who starts all of his international relations by either "calling people out" or calling people names?


People take America seriously because of Aircraft Carriers and Nuclear weapons..  What Trump says has the full backing of said Carriers and Nukes..

That's how the world works.. or are we back to kindergarten telling kids oh, violence is not the answer, gotta be nice to everyone. hahahaha


That's not how international relations work when you have economic power.

  • Mean words
  • Friends saying mean words
  • Economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • Shows of force
  • Then actual violence

America's military might is not so much of a threat anymore. They may sail carriers around the world, but that does nothing. Have China pulled back in the South China Sea? No. Have Russia pulled back in Crimea? No. Have Somali pirates stopped in the Arabian Sea? No. In all these places, the USA has a large presence, and it has swayed nothing.

Military might has a lot less sway on the international stage since the UN has grown in influence, and since the start of the war on terror. Economic power is a lot more important, because military intervention is so frowned upon.


There is No Economy without THE MILITARY,  they're the one and the same..

Every first world nation is a Military industrial complex..


You move this dollar and cents all over the world, it's fundamentally NOTHING..

You get people to convert labor into BOMBS PLANES and Carriers,   THAT is fundamentally what the COUNTRY IS..
It's probably closer to the opposite actually. If not for the US putting every dollar it owns into the military, it would probably be a lot more well-faring.

that is alarmingly untrue

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 04:49:16 »
Drama yes..

But when it comes to the Hard stuff.. the stuff that matter,  I doubt it'd make a difference..   Choices in those areas are dictated by economics far more than opinion.

You think America is going to be taken seriously in a world they are having less economic power in, with a guy who starts all of his international relations by either "calling people out" or calling people names?


People take America seriously because of Aircraft Carriers and Nuclear weapons..  What Trump says has the full backing of said Carriers and Nukes..

That's how the world works.. or are we back to kindergarten telling kids oh, violence is not the answer, gotta be nice to everyone. hahahaha


That's not how international relations work when you have economic power.

  • Mean words
  • Friends saying mean words
  • Economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • More economic sanctions
  • Shows of force
  • Then actual violence

America's military might is not so much of a threat anymore. They may sail carriers around the world, but that does nothing. Have China pulled back in the South China Sea? No. Have Russia pulled back in Crimea? No. Have Somali pirates stopped in the Arabian Sea? No. In all these places, the USA has a large presence, and it has swayed nothing.

Military might has a lot less sway on the international stage since the UN has grown in influence, and since the start of the war on terror. Economic power is a lot more important, because military intervention is so frowned upon.


There is No Economy without THE MILITARY,  they're the one and the same..

Every first world nation is a Military industrial complex..


You move this dollar and cents all over the world, it's fundamentally NOTHING..

You get people to convert labor into BOMBS PLANES and Carriers,   THAT is fundamentally what the COUNTRY IS..
It's probably closer to the opposite actually. If not for the US putting every dollar it owns into the military, it would probably be a lot more well-faring.

that is alarmingly untrue
Maybe I'm using the wrong word.
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 05:05:48 »
Sadly the way the current American economy is set up we need wars to generate money and accrue other countries standing debts so we can control their infrastructure. It's a ****ed up system, but one with so many tangled webs that pulling on even a few of them could destabilize the global economy. People like to believe their best interests are the main concern for those running their government and that their money and freedoms are safe, but the truth is the planet is consistently on the brink of financial collapse and global destabilization. That's why bailouts happen and why we have terms like 'too big to fail.' That's why we fight in the Middle East and not in Somalia or the Congo.
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #33 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 08:06:08 »
Before WW2 the US had the biggest manufacturing sector in the world, and probably the 2nd-best (behind Germany) and we used it to either rescue our allies (who were already hammered) or to hammer our enemies into oblivion. Afterwards, we sat back on our obsolescent rusting infrastructure while everybody else rebuilt and tried to stay up to date (initially at our expense, in the cases of Germany and Japan).

By the Reagan era, we were falling behind but the "trickle-down" philosophy of protecting the already-wealthy encouraged them to ship our manufacturing out of country, and we have been on a downward trajectory ever since. The true villains and "traitors" (using the term very loosely) to America in this scenario are the collective owners of America's industrial sector who, in the 1970s and 1980s, made the collective decision, consciously or unconsciously, to simply ship the manufacturing sector out of country rather than to invest here to keep it competitive.

And while the "military-industrial complex" (named by Eisenhower, and who would know better than him?) was a net wealth-producer through the Vietnam era, it has been a massive drain on our society since, particularly under Reagan and Bush Jr.
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To declare War,  grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To provide for calling forth the Militia  to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 10:00:27 »
You'd may become alot richer on paper..  But you'd have no say in anything at all..


If we get down to the basics..  Why do the smaller nations subject themselves to buying OUR debt doing OUR labor, while we reap the benefits..

Because as-is,  IF WE HAD TO,  all we would need to do is stage a small scale international incident, GO IN and TAKE THEIR STUFF... Call it freedom...



Whether we'd do that is besides the point,   the fact that we COULD means everything..



Look at Germany,  They're RICH.. ON PAPER..  but no bombs, no planes, no carriers...   What is their bargain with the world..


YEA,,  look at me, I make the best cars...  America says, alrite cool,  give us the cars.. here's this piece of paper with a number on it, it says you gave me these cars..  now fk off, /freedom.

Germany is the most powerful nation in Europe. It basically funds/runs/makes decisions for the EU/Eurozone/IMF by itself. People don't like them BECAUSE they have so much sway in things in Europe.

You cannot just invade people anymore. You can't realistically say "they will do what we want or we would invade them" because of the backlash any military intervention creates.

With the genocide in Rwanda, and the one in Yugoslavia, the UN did the bare minimum to intervene in the regions because the member nations knew that public opinion of wars was at an all time low (see the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Arab-Israeli War, and Iran-Iraq war) so the UN only sent a few thousand troops each time. They thought sending the minimum would keep them safe from backlash, but it bit them in the ass because their troops (especially the Dutch in Yugoslavia) witnessed some of the worst acts a human could do to another human and could do nothing to stop it because of a lack of manpower and the weight of bureaucracy.

War isn't something you can do lightly. There is no way a large power would just casually invade somewhere for no reason. Other than Russia, but then Russia has been pretty ****ed by economic sanctions recently anyway.
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 15:23:53 »
but then Russia has been pretty ****ed by economic sanctions recently anyway.

That's Putin it lightly.




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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 15:25:46 »
but then Russia has been pretty ****ed by economic sanctions recently anyway.

That's Putin it lightly.

Yeyyyyyyyyy  :D
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 16:27:05 »
Putin meets Reagan. Look what happened.
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 16:32:39 »
Putin meets Reagan. Look what happened.

If you were to go back in time to that encounter, who would you have killed?  :))
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Re: Hillary Clinton speeches be sounding like
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 18:25:32 »
You'd may become alot richer on paper..  But you'd have no say in anything at all..


If we get down to the basics..  Why do the smaller nations subject themselves to buying OUR debt doing OUR labor, while we reap the benefits..

Because as-is,  IF WE HAD TO,  all we would need to do is stage a small scale international incident, GO IN and TAKE THEIR STUFF... Call it freedom...



Whether we'd do that is besides the point,   the fact that we COULD means everything..



Look at Germany,  They're RICH.. ON PAPER..  but no bombs, no planes, no carriers...   What is their bargain with the world..


YEA,,  look at me, I make the best cars...  America says, alrite cool,  give us the cars.. here's this piece of paper with a number on it, it says you gave me these cars..  now fk off, /freedom.

Germany is the most powerful nation in Europe. It basically funds/runs/makes decisions for the EU/Eurozone/IMF by itself. People don't like them BECAUSE they have so much sway in things in Europe.

You cannot just invade people anymore. You can't realistically say "they will do what we want or we would invade them" because of the backlash any military intervention creates.

With the genocide in Rwanda, and the one in Yugoslavia, the UN did the bare minimum to intervene in the regions because the member nations knew that public opinion of wars was at an all time low (see the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Arab-Israeli War, and Iran-Iraq war) so the UN only sent a few thousand troops each time. They thought sending the minimum would keep them safe from backlash, but it bit them in the ass because their troops (especially the Dutch in Yugoslavia) witnessed some of the worst acts a human could do to another human and could do nothing to stop it because of a lack of manpower and the weight of bureaucracy.

War isn't something you can do lightly. There is no way a large power would just casually invade somewhere for no reason. Other than Russia, but then Russia has been pretty ****ed by economic sanctions recently anyway.

You mis-understand..

War is not something that NEEDS to be fought, it's something that CAN be fought..

WHEN it comes to the bottom line,  YOU DO NOT provoke the guy who CAN kill you..

The most powerful military nation,  can afford to be slightly more aggressive during each and every conflict of interest, IN totality,  that advantage exponentially increases his wealth relative to others..


And that paper wealth is then Converted Back into military power which is the True Wealth.



Japan is hopeless because it's too small, and as long as China is there with them missles, Japan is fully contained...


Germany has a shot at becoming a world power,  all it would need is the MiddleEast conflict to get BIG...

That way, they would have a legitimate reason to Thoroughly Militarize..

When that happens,  No one can force them to DE-Militarize, because they will always have the excuse of Containment of the defeated middle-eastern nations..




I predict if WWIII does happen.. It will be Germany's Revenge...