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Offline typo

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What you don't know about Topre RGB!
« on: Sun, 03 September 2017, 11:39:20 »
It is well known including by myself that the Topre RGB does not seem to be at the quality level of Realforce. It also seemed to me that this is not a route Topre would follow. Being strictly for business. So it came to my attention from a reliable source that the RGB is made by SeaSonic in China. Which prompted me to open one here and take a look around. PCB says SeaSonic in a spot and there was a little sticker with SeaSonic and a barcode on it loosely attached to the backside of the PCB. You may know SeaSonic as a manufacturer of all manner of computing devices but best known for quality inexpensive PSU's. It is completely Legit that the sticker on the back says "Made in Japan". Japan, subscribing to Global trade regulations. That literally means they can do anything from put one screw in it in Japan, Check it's operation, Place said sticker on the back among other very minor things. Basically if it stops in the "Country of origin" before it heads out to distributers it is completely legit. Many people may think this is horrible that they can do such a thing but they did not make the laws governing global trade. Feel free to research this on the internet and you shall see I tell no lie here. Unless many of you are already aware of these laws. The truth is very few things are completely sourced from one country with the exception of China. Most things have more involved at the Country of origin than these kind of deals however. RealForce remains completely assembled in Japan with mainly Japanese components.

So that explains a lot. I figured Topre was not about to make anything like this themselves. Made in China is not necessarily a bad thing.This might seem misleading but they are completely in the right. I knew from the get go that this was not a Realforce from Japan. It does not have the sound, which has nothing to do with the Cherry stems. The case is not the same quality. Topre does not manufacturer double shot ABS keys should be a dead giveaway. Overall it is okay but it is not my go to board and not because it is made in China. It is due to it being lower quality overall than a real Realforce(no pun intended).

I am not trying to start a problem. This is just a FYI and should be right up any Geeks Alley to have knowledge of this fact. It is okay, there is much worse. It is unique, the only thing like it. If you want one it is reasonably decent and this may or may not stop you. If you own one there is no reason to be disappointed. Since you are already aware it is not built like a Japanese Realforce. Unless you have never handled one. Even a Leopold is somewhat better built but does not offer what this does. RGB is mainly aimed at gamers and I probably would not suggest these switches for gaming. If you are any kind of typist I would recommend a True Realforce from Elitekeyboards. Or some high quality cherry board. There are many from which to choose. I would not recommend the likes of Razer or Steel series for instance and the Topre RGB is in my opinion better than those s well. It just not what I would expect for $260+. The made in China part does not even bother me. It is just the overall quality is subpar. I do not by any means mean terrible. I just mean it is not a top example. Plus right from the beginning it was obvious for a number of reasons that it was not what one expects a Topre board to be. I just figured this was newsworthy if someone else did not already figure it out and I am unaware. If this is old news, my bad but I am just trying to help our community make informed decisions. That being said I would not care about the made in China but rather the overall quality. Although for $260+ I am not sure why they cannot make it in Japan. It is because tooling up for that is a fortune.

I apologize that this is so long. I just thought it might be of interest to some here. If not, please carry on........

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Re: What you don't know about Topre RGB!
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 03 September 2017, 11:56:33 »
The primary reason --this board-- is made in china, is due to time constraint.


China's manufacturing and integration is very complete throughout the nation.

One stop shop..


If you build a line in any other country,   there's significant logistics overhead to consider (sourcing/ shipping)


In China,  you make one call to a big maker,  they'll have everything together and ready in a MUCH SHORTER TIME.


Time to market matters, because there's a billion boards out already,  topre is becoming irrelevant.. out of sight out of mind.


So what they did was to put emphasis on Speed.

China is the fastest.




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Re: What you don't know about Topre RGB!
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 03 September 2017, 12:44:13 »
If you own one there is no reason to be disappointed. Since you are already aware it is not built like a Japanese Realforce.

I own three. I also own a Topre Realforce 104UK Hi-Pro. I am keenly aware of the quality difference between them. However, I purchased the RGB because it is the only full-size keyboard with Topre switches and MX stems that has at least a degree of Topre quality. The purely Chinese equivalents (e.g., Noppoo EC108 Pro) have substantially lower build quality than even the RGB; I know because I own one of those too.

Would I prefer a version of the RGB with the same build quality as a "regular" Topre Realforce? Absolutely. Would I pay $300 for one? Probably. But Topre has not seen fit to produce one, so I have settled for the next best thing: the Realforce RGB. And I am quite pleased with it (apart from not being available in white, which really annoys me). It is my daily driver at home and at work, and I would be hard-pressed to imagine what could replace either at this time.

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Re: What you don't know about Topre RGB!
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 03 September 2017, 14:17:16 »
I did read that the RGB Topre isn't as good as the other versions, but I'm very happy with it.  While I do question the price being so much, it's actually saved me money since I haven't bought any keyboards after using the RGB Topre.  It pretty much fills every need: full 104 layout, Topre switch feel, RGB lighting, and adjustable actuation (although that last one isn't that important to me).

I've been through a lot of Cherry boards (MX Brown and Red were my favorites).  I would've like to have tried a backlit full-size Matias keyboard, but it never got produced.  The only other keyboard I really want is the Model F but the non-standard layout is a deal breaker for me.

So, for now, I'm content.  :-)

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Re: What you don't know about Topre RGB!
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 03 September 2017, 17:46:38 »
I agree with all of you. I said I don't mind that it is made in china. It is just not quite the quality we expect from topre. also, don't you Guy's find that it does not "really" have the topre  switch feel? I mean it is in the ballpark but the feel is not as god either. So, I think The case and key's are not quite as good and the feel is not quite as good yet it is $260+. It is pretty decent but it is not the real deal. I would say overall it falls like 20% short of the 104U. You do get cherry stems and backlighting. I am not saying it is over priced. I am saying I would prefer to pay $500 for one that is the business. I figure it would have to cost about that much. It is okay because people spend much more on other hobbies. Honestly, our hobby is rather inexpensive compared to a lot of others. It is what it is though. I just wanted to let anyone know this that did not already just in case they felt let down. there is no reason to feel let down anyways, I just figured I would provide the facts. Probably most people here know about this but some may not. It was not like I was shocked. I figured this when I ordered it.

I do however wish the trade law regarding this type of thing was much more stringent. It does not matter to me personally but I would like every product to say the actual country of origin. To some people it might feel misleading. I bet we would find almost everything we buy is made in china then. I do not mind though. Well, some things that are very expensive are made in other countries like Swiss watches Etc. That is what I meant by our hobby is relatively inexpensive.

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Re: What you don't know about Topre RGB!
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 03 September 2017, 18:33:34 »
it is in the ballpark but the feel is not as god

Best typo, ever.  :p

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Re: What you don't know about Topre RGB!
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 03 September 2017, 23:01:18 »
You know I always do that and being a fairly Devout man I actually regret that. I imagine that is a fairly common typo though. Making a mistake here is not a big deal. Making a mistake buried in lines of code can cost thousands. How I earned the name. You can always hear " what do you expect, typo wrote this". I am still good enough that they value me as an Employee.

In that particular instance it is quite funny though. Since I would say the Realforce, is well you know. akin to, Next to.......Okay I hope I like it hot.

Edit, is the Avatar you? If so nice look man. I mean that seriously!

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Re: What you don't know about Topre RGB!
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 03 September 2017, 23:15:17 »
Edit, is the Avatar you? If so nice look man. I mean that seriously!

Indeed, that is the one, the only, millifoo. Pic is a couple years old, probably time to take a new one; the beard's a bit grayer now that I've crossed the 50 mark.

Ok, maybe I should try and move this thread back on track since I was the one that caused the digression :-) ---

I'm curious: has anyone done a side by side comparison between the Realforce/SeaSonic RGB with a CM Novatouch?
« Last Edit: Sun, 03 September 2017, 23:17:03 by millifoo »

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Re: What you don't know about Topre RGB!
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 05 September 2017, 01:28:09 »
No, but I put it side by side with an actual Realforce. The actual Realforce overall is a lot nicer. Of course you do not get lights and Cherry stems. I think anyone that is mainly concerned with just typing may not need the lights.

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Re: What you don't know about Topre RGB!
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 05 September 2017, 11:56:18 »
Quite right. That would describe me. I have no use for RGB backlighting whatsoever, and would actually prefer to see Topre put that production money elsewhere (like a better case).

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Re: What you don't know about Topre RGB!
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:51:52 »
Indeed. If they really wanted, white 3mm Led's. That's all. I can type on blank keys no problem but puke green or purple for instance will screw me up. I honestly wish they build one the same quality as their regular line with just white 3mm, Cherry stems with POM DS caps. Plus POM spacebar. Dreaming LOL. They would not do that because it would cost a fortune and it would outsell their other boards. I have no interest in the RGB even though I bought it. The board is not the same quality overall and I see no point in the lighting. I just want to stress this is not to say that China cannot produce very fine workmanship. Everyone goes there looking to job out to the cheapest bidder. What would you expect then?

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Re: What you don't know about Topre RGB!
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 30 September 2017, 22:49:03 »
I just wanted to be honest as I feel it is the best policy.

According to the president of Topre it is 100% populated and assembled in Japan at their factory. The PCB blank is sourced from china as they currently are in every Topre board. It would simply be too expensive to make PCB blanks in Japan. I was mislead both by the inscription on the PCB and a US rep from Seasonic. Seasonic is Topres big distributer in North America. They distribute all boards now that Amazon has hoarded them and Elite keyboards thus cannot even obtain them at this point. What I find strange is only the RGB says "Seasonic". The 87u for instance lacks this descriptor. I think that is easily explainable however. The rgb is aimed at gamers. Many gamers are familiar with Seasonic and not Topre. It is a different crowd than typists. Seasonic makes things like PSU, Videocards etc. That could simply be good marketing using name recognition. I am going to trust the President of Topre on this. Even though it is aimed at gamers as are all backlit boards it is perhaps the finest of the lot. So long as you like it. It honestly is not far off from other Topre boards save for the sound. I am sure the Cherry sliders come into play there. If you must have backlit I take back what I had said as this just might be the best one there is. I doubt you will find another backlit board made in Japan. I am glad to get this information. Since to me made in japan and Topre both tend to signify quality.

I apologize for what was apparently misinformation.  Also, he told me they are proud of this and consider it their flagship product currently. Meanwhile Amazon has lowered the price to $230.

I am using it right now and honestly it is in fact nicer than the likes of Logitech, Razer, Corsair etc. Everyone knows what my top choice is but all good things must come to an end. I am sure this shall suffice. It is strange going from so heavy to so lite but not as bad as I expected. Even my 55g Topre's I previously thought were too light. Adaptability.