List of Vegan Drawbacks

[DALExSNAIL]

Hit me up with your sources and studies etc. I'll read them over and see how I feel. If it seems legit I might change my lifestyle a bit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Research the 3 names in my previous post..    campbell, essylstein, ornish

China study (book)
Prevent and reverse heart disease (book)


numerous documentaries watchable on utube for all 3 names..


Also look into Neal Barnard,  his content is much more laid out for the laymen,

I have yet to see any Vegan documentaries that weren't just propaganda.

[tp4tissue]

This legit just sounds like reddit poster science and info grabbed from vegan prop sites.

Both Ornish and Campbell  are  president Bill Clinton's doctors,  he's named dropped them in numerous interview and documentaries.

This alone makes me truly question the legitimacy of these people, no offense. Plus the fact that the community that deals with things like this isn't always the most honest (grant money is king)

In some circumstances, you would be correct,  However, this was directly after bill clinton's bypass surgery..

It is unlikely that a former president wouldn't be vetted for the right doctors after something like that..


But again,  you have suspicion, that's fine,   Go do some fact checking on your own,  THEN we'll have the discussion of this heinous conspiracy..

I welcome it..

[tp4tissue]

Hit me up with your sources and studies etc. I'll read them over and see how I feel. If it seems legit I might change my lifestyle a bit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Research the 3 names in my previous post..    campbell, essylstein, ornish

China study (book)
Prevent and reverse heart disease (book)


numerous documentaries watchable on utube for all 3 names..


Also look into Neal Barnard,  his content is much more laid out for the laymen,

I have yet to see any Vegan documentaries that weren't just propaganda.

Hahahahaha,  documentaries are condensed information, if you watch it with no background information,  or counter-information,   it's going to be unbelievable.

But that's why I recommend you do some research.. 


We could sit here all day and yell at each other,   but as it stands,  you have no bullets..


I very much would like to see you come up with the information so I can eat fried chicken again..


I am not unreasonable,  and I think the majority of vegans are idiots..  but  there is a part of the science that they got right, based on my own verifications.

[DALExSNAIL]

Hit me up with your sources and studies etc. I'll read them over and see how I feel. If it seems legit I might change my lifestyle a bit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Research the 3 names in my previous post..    campbell, essylstein, ornish

China study (book)
Prevent and reverse heart disease (book)


numerous documentaries watchable on utube for all 3 names..


Also look into Neal Barnard,  his content is much more laid out for the laymen,

I have yet to see any Vegan documentaries that weren't just propaganda.

Hahahahaha,  documentaries are condensed information, if you watch it with no background information,  or counter-information,   it's going to be unbelievable.

But that's why I recommend you do some research.. 


We could sit here all day and yell at each other,   but as it stands,  you have no bullets..


I very much would like to see you come up with the information so I can eat fried chicken again..


I am not unreasonable,  and I think the majority of vegans are idiots..  but  there is a part of the science that they got right, based on my own verifications.

Not talking about things that seem "unbelievable", they blatantly lie to forward both political and scientific agendas. Many many vegan organizations have been exposed for these things over the years...not to mention that new "What the Health" doc on Netflix.

Also I want your personal sources and studies, I don't need to find my own. I have my own beliefs after doing similar research, so I am just curious how you personally came to these conclusions. List of studies you have looked at, not just people telling you how they themselves came to a conclusion after looking at the studies. Maybe a list of the diets used in them, what was the non vegan diet vs. the vegan/vegitarian, how many people participated and how much they took genetic makeup/family history into account, etc. etc.

You made the claims not me, so show me what you got my man.

Also as a note, I'm not discouraging you from eating this way. If it makes you feel better and is improving your life, then by all means continue.

[tp4tissue]

Not talking about things that seem "unbelievable", they blatantly lie to forward both political and scientific agendas. Many many vegan organizations have been exposed for these things over the years...not to mention that new "What the Health" doc on Netflix.

Also I want your personal sources and studies, I don't need to find my own. I have my own beliefs after doing similar research, so I am just curious how you personally came to these conclusions. List of studies you have looked at, not just people telling you how they themselves came to a conclusion after looking at the studies. Maybe a list of the diets used in them, what was the non vegan diet vs. the vegan/vegitarian, how many people participated and how much they took genetic makeup/family history into account, etc. etc.

You made the claims not me, so show me what you got my man.

Also as a note, I'm not discouraging you from eating this way. If it makes you feel better and is improving your life, then by all means continue.

I've already told you

the 2 books, and the 3 names


book1,   China Study,  Colin T. Campbell

book2,   Prevent and reverse heart disease,  Esselstyn


These are the books i read..

And those 3 names, are the ones I vetted ..  Ornish, Campbell, Esselstyn,



What you are aiming at is obviously, - Dude-snail, doesn't want to do the work - 


hahahaha..   what you're trying to do right now, is win an argument, by deflecting from having to do any reading on your own.


That is not the right way dude snail,   if you don't want to have this discussion,  just leave, hahaha..  You gain nothing by sitting here..

[tp4tissue]

Whatever research you're  "claiming" to have done,

Well clearly you don't remember it,  or it was superficial at best,   because you can't present a single shred of evidence of it.


What exactly HAVE you read..   How are you So sure of it..   Who are ANY of the authors of your material..  What mechanisms to food and nutritional composition affects or does not affect heart disease/ cancer /diabetes >>>>> YOU DON"T REMEMBER.. RIGHT ?


so what do you have.. nothing but angry nerd rage.. hahahaha

[tp4tissue]

I've presented a Summary of the information I've accrued.

I've presented the Sources of that information


I've presented a List of Authors for that set of information.


All of their research leading into the 2000s and on are focused on this area,  you can look into and read ANY of their papers published within the era for corroboratory information.


-- I've even gone as far as to TRY the vegan thing myself,   took a blood test before and after, which clearly demonstrated the extremely expedient reduction in cholesterol  after only 3 months of strict adherence.

 Linked here,
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=91212.0





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Dude snail has read something, at some point in time , years back, that says he can eat lots of meat by authors he does not remember,   talking about mechanisms of disease which also now he's forgotten..

^^^,   This is you.. !! hahahaha..