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Offline Makerthink

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An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« on: Sat, 28 April 2018, 21:41:41 »
Hi. I designed something new for people who want to write anywhere with their favorite keyboard.

https://igg.me/at/ergoplus/x/18594830

"Many of you love your keyboards, just like me. We hope to write with them anywhere and anytime, but it might not be a good idea because you have to carry some heavy stuffs. That's why I designed Ergo+, a keyboard expansion kit for both desktop and outdoor use."



Would you like to let me know how you think about it? Thank you so much!

« Last Edit: Sat, 28 April 2018, 21:48:23 by Makerthink »

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 28 April 2018, 21:54:58 »
I'm so confused.....what is it?

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 28 April 2018, 21:56:34 »
An expasion kit.
Something less than 50 grams, attached to your keyboard, providing you an ergonomic wrist rest, and a ipad/iphone stand.

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 28 April 2018, 21:58:21 »
I see the words and the pictures but I just don't get it seems very unnatural and am I understanding you're supposed to carry your HHKB around with this like a handle??

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 28 April 2018, 22:02:39 »
I see the words and the pictures but I just don't get it seems very unnatural and am I understanding you're supposed to carry your HHKB around with this like a handle??

LOL. Yes, I thought I can use it as an handle, but it's not the main purpose. I have an video on the indiegogo page, you can find it provided a basic ergonomic solution for moving writers.

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 28 April 2018, 22:09:15 »
I read it all, but I'm only left with confusion.

It's something to attach your device to a keyboard? With 3D printed wrist raisers?

I must be missing the point.

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 28 April 2018, 22:14:44 »
I read it all, but I'm only left with confusion.

It's something to attach your device to a keyboard? With 3D printed wrist raisers?

I must be missing the point.

The kit includs two parts:
1- the wrist rest made of soft TPE and carbon enhanced PLA frame.
2- the stand part, for supporting the mobile device.
All of them are 3d printed.

The frame can be easily removed for packing.

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 29 April 2018, 04:28:31 »
I don't think the palm rests are ergonomic at all. They sit too low and at a questionable angle.

As for the tablet/phone stand, hmm. I can't really comment on this. The only one I liked was a Japanese design that opened like a folding table or a double-sided ladder.

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 29 April 2018, 05:00:52 »
I don't think the palm rests are ergonomic at all. They sit too low and at a questionable angle.

As for the tablet/phone stand, hmm. I can't really comment on this. The only one I liked was a Japanese design that opened like a folding table or a double-sided ladder.

Emm. Hope you can try it for a while.
I don't think a higher palm rest is better.My concept is keeping the wrist - palm in a single line. so if you are using a 60% keyboard, the rest should just follow the height and angle of the keyboard itself.
So if you are using some higher keyboard, I will provide different versions.


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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 29 April 2018, 05:32:21 »
I don't think _any_ palm rests are a good idea, unless sculpted on a specialty keyboard such as DataHand or DataStealth (relevant thread)… or perhaps keypads like Belkin/Razer Nostromo/Orbweaver.

Even if they were in the correct height, the standard layout is a problem; check out vi Esc syndrome.


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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 29 April 2018, 05:47:41 »
I don't think _any_ palm rests are a good idea, unless sculpted on a specialty keyboard such as DataHand or DataStealth (relevant thread)… or perhaps keypads like Belkin/Razer Nostromo/Orbweaver.

Even if they were in the correct height, the standard layout is a problem; check out vi Esc syndrome.

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I noticed there is a main difference: the height of the lower edge of keyboard.
Please check the screenshot I made for you.

And this is the full video:

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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 29 April 2018, 06:05:22 »
That's awful. A textbook example of wrist extension.

Wrists should be raised to the same level as knuckle regions. That might not be quite viable on too high desk, but that's why I type with an external keyboard in my lap in such cases.

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 29 April 2018, 06:10:37 »
That's awful. A textbook example of wrist extension.

Wrists should be raised to the same level as knuckle regions. That might not be quite viable on too high desk, but that's why I type with an external keyboard in my lap in such cases.

I have the same idea with you. So I also raise my chair or lower the desk. If not, I will also use the keyboard on lap.
I even designed tools for mouse using in that case too.

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 29 April 2018, 06:21:08 »
That's cool, but I don't understand why you're promoting a product that encourages a posture that bad then.

Seriously, looking at the video, I fail to see where's the improvement there. If someone types like that, the best advice I can provide is to relearn typing posture completely: hover arms above the keyboard—to avoid the permanent wrist extension and ulnar deviation when reaching for Backspace/Enter/Escape/…

There's definitely some value in locking a touch-screen device to an external keyboard, though. My preferred construction, however, is similar to the double-sided ladder.

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 29 April 2018, 06:26:41 »
That's cool, but I don't understand why you're promoting a product that encourages a posture that bad then.

Seriously, looking at the video, I fail to see where's the improvement there. If someone types like that, the best advice I can provide is to relearn typing posture completely: hover arms above the keyboard—to avoid the permanent wrist extension and ulnar deviation when reaching for Backspace/Enter/Escape/…

There's definitely some value in locking a touch-screen device to an external keyboard, though. My preferred construction, however, is similar to the double-sided ladder.

Ah. I found the problem now.
When I use a keyboard like HHKB, I always use it on my lap, or at least use on the very edge of the desk.
But when I taking this video, I put the keyboard inside a lot for a better looking.
Of course "only support the palm" is better. That's how I designed the rests.

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 29 April 2018, 07:26:00 »
That's awful. A textbook example of wrist extension.

Wrists should be raised to the same level as knuckle regions. That might not be quite viable on too high desk, but that's why I type with an external keyboard in my lap in such cases.

Well, it depends on if your elbow is below or above the table height.

many people have a table where their elbow is below, and in that case, the wrist can be below finger height.


There's no one size fits all..


This is an Ipad-Keyboard-Dock,   where it docks the HHKB + Ipad.



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« Reply #16 on: Sun, 29 April 2018, 07:37:10 »
Well, it depends on if your elbow is below or above the table height.

many people have a table where their elbow is below, and in that case, the wrist can be below finger height.
Indeed, that's the case of a too high desk, and it's the reason why keyboards have feet in the back.

Then, it's a good idea to lower the desk, raise the chair or stand up, add a tray or type in ones lap/thighs.

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 30 April 2018, 07:55:28 »
Can you please tell me HOW to connect a keyboard to a iPad?
I own a iPad Pro and nothing I tried worked, so please tell me!?
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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 30 April 2018, 09:10:42 »
Can you please tell me HOW to connect a keyboard to a iPad?
I own a iPad Pro and nothing I tried worked, so please tell me!?
I personally used a lightning camera kit, which has two output ports - a lightning port and a usb-A port. This time you can connect a power-storage device.


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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 30 April 2018, 09:52:05 »
Can you please tell me HOW to connect a keyboard to a iPad?
I own a iPad Pro and nothing I tried worked, so please tell me!?
I personally used a lightning camera kit, which has two output ports - a lightning port and a usb-A port. This time you can connect a power-storage device.


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do I have to provide permanent power connection via a socket or is the ipad able to power the HHKB?

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 30 April 2018, 09:53:20 »
Can you please tell me HOW to connect a keyboard to a iPad?
I own a iPad Pro and nothing I tried worked, so please tell me!?
I personally used a lightning camera kit, which has two output ports - a lightning port and a usb-A port. This time you can connect a power-storage device.


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do I have to provide permanent power connection via a socket or is the ipad able to power the HHKB?

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I am not sure about other keyboards, but iPad Pro is not able to power HHKB well so an extra power supply is necessary.
And I have to say that’s not stable. So finally I bought a HHKB Pro BT.


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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 30 April 2018, 09:56:51 »
Can you please tell me HOW to connect a keyboard to a iPad?
I own a iPad Pro and nothing I tried worked, so please tell me!?
I personally used a lightning camera kit, which has two output ports - a lightning port and a usb-A port. This time you can connect a power-storage device.


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do I have to provide permanent power connection via a socket or is the ipad able to power the HHKB?

Gesendet von meinem Moto G (4) mit Tapatalk
I am not sure about other keyboards, but iPad Pro is not able to power HHKB well so an extra power supply is necessary.
And I have to say that’s not stable. So finally I bought a HHKB Pro BT.


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thats my take on it as well, annoys me so hard. older ipads do this w/o a problem

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Re: An ergonomic kit - HHKB (other keyboards) to typewriter
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 30 April 2018, 10:03:54 »
But if you buy a HHKB pro BT, you should consider carefully.
I hope to use the keyboard with both my iPad and my win10 PC, but switching the Bluetooth connection caused a lot of issues.
The Win10 can’t reconnect once the HHKB paired with the iPad. The only way is to delete it from the Bluetooth devices list and find it again.
Terrible.
So, my final solution is : HHKB Pro2 for PC, and HHKB BT for iPad.



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