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HHKB Pro III.
« on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 08:31:57 »
Describe in detail what would be your ideal upgrade for the HHKB Pro II. Layout, layers, key caps, colors, materials, switches' actuation force, programing capacities, controller, connector, ISO or ANSI options, pricing, ... you may think that should be available with other type of switches?
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 08:36:01 »
Not much really. More power to the USB hubs I guess, they're pretty much useless as it is now.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 08:40:37 »
PBT spacebar, media keys working on windows, proper feet.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 08:42:45 »
PBT spacebar, media keys working on windows, proper feet.
Hey fellow Dane!

I have an autohotkey-script here to make working media keys for the hhkb.

Code: [Select]
; ## Media Keys

; RAlt + f = Play/Pause
<^>!f::SendInput {Media_Play_Pause}

; RAlt + a = Decreases Volume
<^>!a::SendInput {Volume_Down}


; RAlt + s = Increases Volume
<^>!s::SendInput {Volume_Up}

; RAlt + d = mutes
<^>!d::SendInput {Volume_Mute}

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 08:45:10 »
Thank you. Will try these now.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 08:55:48 »
Describe in detail what would be your ideal upgrade for the HHKB Pro II. Layout, layers, key caps, colors, materials, switches' actuation force, programing capacities, controller, connector, ISO or ANSI options, pricing, ... you may think that should be available with other type of switches?


I'd personally keep it exactly how it is, with one minor adjustment.

Change it from a 60% layout to a 75%. So in essence, have it like the Noppoo Choc mini but with the features of the HHKB Pro 2, that'd be one of the best keyboards around. Their keybcaps, their topre switches, their font face, their structure, their build quality. Oh my god, it'd just be heavenly.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 08:58:45 »
Describe in detail what would be your ideal upgrade for the HHKB Pro II. Layout, layers, key caps, colors, materials, switches' actuation force, programing capacities, controller, connector, ISO or ANSI options, pricing, ... you may think that should be available with other type of switches?


I'd personally keep it exactly how it is, with one minor adjustment.

Change it from a 60% layout to a 75%. So in essence, have it like the Noppoo Choc mini but with the features of the HHKB Pro 2, that'd be one of the best keyboards around. Their keybcaps, their topre switches, their font face, their structure, their build quality. Oh my god, it's just.. it's heaven
I wouldn't really call that a minor adjustment but okay.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 09:01:50 »
Describe in detail what would be your ideal upgrade for the HHKB Pro II. Layout, layers, key caps, colors, materials, switches' actuation force, programing capacities, controller, connector, ISO or ANSI options, pricing, ... you may think that should be available with other type of switches?


I'd personally keep it exactly how it is, with one minor adjustment.

Change it from a 60% layout to a 75%. So in essence, have it like the Noppoo Choc mini but with the features of the HHKB Pro 2, that'd be one of the best keyboards around. Their keybcaps, their topre switches, their font face, their structure, their build quality. Oh my god, it's just.. it's heaven
I wouldn't really call that a minor adjustment but okay.


Okay, :).
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 09:35:13 »
Aluminum case or weighted option. A steel plate would make it feel more solid like a Realforce. It feels too light to me. Optional 55g domes or even a 30g dome option for those that prefer heavier or lighter switches. A programmable function layer would be nice, but really not a must-have. Cherry MX compatible sliders (a-la Novatouch) for a broader variety of custom caps. Dipswitch settings for multiple layouts (dvorak, colemak, etc.).
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 13:19:37 »
Aluminium case or steel plate, 55g, fully programmable, standard 60% ANSI layout, MX compatible sliders, lower price... White LED backlighting?

But for now I'll stick to my KBT Pure with aluminium case, aluminium plate, white LED's and 62g ErgoClears.  :thumb:
Buying more keycaps,
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 13:29:11 »
The only change that I could ever envision would be wireless capabilities.  And maybe 55g weighting.

What makes the HHKB unique is the way it is now.  Changing it too much would destroy the essence of the keyboard.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 14:37:16 »
the case seems to be awesome from here ...
and those usb ports are my dream
is it bluetooth?
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 14:52:05 »
There's a simple formula to perfect ANY keyboard that's a rectangle..

Step 1_

you start by cutting it down the middle into halves..

Step 2_

connect the two halves with a cable..

Step 3_

remember that wireless can go suck a d....

Step 4_

insert chip to make it fully programmable...


Step 5_

Realize that with all this work,  You might just as well have had bought the Ergodox,


Step 6_

Buy Ergodox

Step 7_

Build Ergodox


Step 8_

Happiness..........




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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 15:11:14 »
PBT spacebar (or just POM keys everywhere)

MX compatible sliders

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 15:14:36 »
PBT spacebar (or just POM keys everywhere)

MX compatible sliders
agreed. finding NEWS keyboards to pull PBT spacebars from is like impossible these days.


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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 15:46:53 »
My dream HHKB would be to have the following:
   1. Duck0113, or Hammer heavy aluminum case
   2. Bluetooth Wireless
   3. Remove USB hub
   4. 55g domes

I think 2-4 could be user modded, but the heavy case seems to be impossible at the moment.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 16:22:05 »
PBT spacebar

and a heavy af alu case
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 17:04:46 »
Replacement coloured keycap sets would be nice.  Printed and blank.  In various colours.

Affordable price would be a bonus, but who am I kidding?  This is Thorpe.  This is HHKB.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 18:28:54 »
Describe in detail what would be your ideal upgrade for the HHKB Pro II. Layout, layers, key caps, colors, materials, switches' actuation force, programing capacities, controller, connector, ISO or ANSI options, pricing, ... you may think that should be available with other type of switches?


I'd personally keep it exactly how it is, with one minor adjustment.

Change it from a 60% layout to a 75%. So in essence, have it like the Noppoo Choc mini but with the features of the HHKB Pro 2, that'd be one of the best keyboards around. Their keybcaps, their topre switches, their font face, their structure, their build quality. Oh my god, it'd just be heavenly.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 20:15:25 »
When I first saw this post, I thought there was announcement for the third version.

You got me too excited to then be let down. ;)

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 20:16:25 »
There's a simple formula to perfect ANY keyboard that's a rectangle..

Step 1_

you start by cutting it down the middle into halves..

Step 2_

connect the two halves with a cable..

Step 3_

remember that wireless can go suck a d....

Step 4_

insert chip to make it fully programmable...


Step 5_

Realize that with all this work,  You might just as well have had bought the Ergodox,


Step 6_

Buy Ergodox

Step 7_

Build Ergodox


Step 8_

Happiness..........
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I'll agree if you post a picture of your ergodox.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 20:18:06 »
The addition of dedicated arrow keys is all I want.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 20:28:58 »
I'm not going to post my dream hhkb3 board but a realistic hhkb3 board.

Must include:
MX compatible stems.
Better key spacing to support other MX caps (6.25x space bar, etc.)
Micro usb connector.
Steel plate!!
2 versions - all 45g or all 55g.
USB 3 support so it can have better power support for USB hub usage. (this one I'm flexible on because it can cause compatibility problems with tablets and other legacy devices.)
Built-in semi-removable handle.
Built-in "door" to store USB cable.
Case "top" that can clamp/clip onto the keyboard frame on the side with the keys to protect the keyboard during transport.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 20:43:53 »
   2. Bluetooth Wireless
   3. Remove USB hub
   4. 55g domes

I think 2-4 could be user modded, but the heavy case seems to be impossible at the moment.

Correct. Get your modding on :)

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 20:49:32 »
My thoughts have basically already been said, but:

55g stock
Bluetooth

Other than this I really dont have many qualms.

Related: Has there been any rumors about a HHKB Pro3 release?
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 20:49:56 »
Keep the form factor, layout, and dye-sub PBT keycaps. Add the following, at least as options:

-- 55g domes
-- Type S at a substantially reduced price
-- Black case with white/gray keycaps as an option
-- Steel plate
-- USB C connector (C2 rotational symmetry)

Possible additional options:

-- Bluetooth wireless
-- Complete programmability

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #26 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 06:00:25 »
My thoughts have basically already been said, but:

55g stock
Bluetooth

Other than this I really dont have many qualms.

Related: Has there been any rumors about a HHKB Pro3 release?

I don't think so.  Some of us just wish there were rumors.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 07:04:26 »
Whenever you guys find a pro III just send it to me and I'll review it.

Thanks

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 07:13:32 »
Programmable.  I find R-Alt to be a better Fn key because it uses a thumb instead of a pinky and forces the hand to move less distance.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 07:54:14 »
Perhaps we should rather be putting these wishes here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53481.0

There's actually a chance CM Storm will make something if we have some kind of concensus of what we really want.

So far I'm seeing these appear in a few wishlists:

1. Metal plate and/or case
2. MX compatible stems
3. 55g version
4. More standard bottom row keycap sizes / spacing
5. Programmability
6. Bluetooth and silent options?

Looking at the cost of implementing these and ways of manufacturing, what I consider feasible would be:

1. Metal plate
2. Made by CM Storm with Novatouch stems
3. 55g domes
4. Standard ANSI layout (possibly with plates so you can remove modifiers if you really want to)
5. DIP switchable layout with programmable Fn layer OR fully programmable layout and no switches
6. Modular controller which fits in a recess in the board and plugs into the main board, with 2 options:
        Normal Mini USB only - Simple USB controller.
        Bluetooth with battery and Mini USB - charge the battery with the Mini USB port and it also works through Mini USB as a keyboard without using BT.

First without Type-S option, but add it as an option if the original model proves popular.

I'd buy one.
Buying more keycaps,
it really hacks my wallet,
but I must have them.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 08:52:38 »
I would love some not so portable HHKB too. Metal plate, metal case( or at least filco kind) or in general something that looks like those cool custom korean boards, except with topre switches and preferably silent ones.  Now if I want a portable one, just gimme some mx compatibility or produce some affordable sets so I don't need to be too careful with my keycaps, everything else is kinda ok. 
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 19:59:26 »
- No USB hub. No doubt adding USB hub was wrong evolution from pro1.
- USB Micro receptacle
- Better rubber feet. No need for adjustable feet.
- PBT plain legend keycap like Realforce. Without Fn description on front side.
- Plam keys(like left control) on both side of bottom row.
- Split space bar. (Sure, PBT for these short space bar)
- Programable controller.
- De facto KBC Poker compatible form factor for after market case options.
- Variable weighted and silenced Topre.
- Bluetooth and USB connectability.
- TrackPoint

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 22:09:29 »
I agree with most of the things you say hasu. However, I personally am not a fan of TrackPoint and have never seen it on a keyboard with full size switches (only on laptop chicklet).

What do you mean by plam keys? You want to add a L/R Ctrl and fill in the bottom row? I don't mind the control position and think it helps with the HHKB's iconic look.

With the current design I don't know if you could use after market cases. They wouldn't have the wholes on the bottom, and the topre switches would need to be remodeled to not be "case" mounted.

Everything else I agree with. USB Micro is good, programmable adds extra features, bluetooth is great because it is already small and portable, etc. Right now I only use my left thumb, so I think it would be cool to split the space bar and give my right thumb something to do - even if it takes a little bit of time to learn.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 00:15:09 »
Yes, what I mean with 'palm key' is a key which can be press by your side of  palm or root of piky. I like to use those palm keys for Fn layer switching because my thumb and pinky are strained heavily some times. I know some HHKB users hate palm keys but I don't care the look much if it is useful.

I thought about Realforce-type plate and separate top housings build for Poker form factor. Still not sure it is possible. By the way, I prefer Realforce key feel than HHKB generally.

I'm sure TrackPoint is my favorite pointing device because I don't have to leave my hand from keyboard to operate GUI things. Yoda and Miniguru will be strong alternatives to me.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 02:04:14 »
Wouldn't palm keys make the HHKB bigger? I thought one of the main draws was the tiny size?

Here’s a fun layout idea with some palm keys:

(from my thread of wacky ideas over here)

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 03:23:48 »
jacobolus, oh real palm key :o it reminds me Kinesis mod.

My 'palm key' is not real palm key like yours, it wouldn't make bigger, but... looks wierd :(

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/f9b3921458b91d70a2721a7d28a19643

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 04:10:56 »
PBT spacebar
Slightly more textured casing
Slightly more textured keycaps
Same texture at the sides of the caps
Make it available in black (not just dark-gray)

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 08:27:48 »
The thread has been read more than 700 times in 24 hours. Most of the contributions are well thought and it seems that the subject is of high interest to us. I think we should do something with the information, beyond only sharing it.

If you know about an interest check, or group buy, current, or past, that may be a base to use the suggestions to configure an actual development, it would be very welcome to know it.

A second avenue could be to share the information with a potentially interested vendor.

I do not know if the manufacturer of the HHKB may be interested in getting this feedback, again, if someone has some knowledge about it, please share it.

In summary, it appears that the community think that the current HHKB 2 Pro has some room for improvement.

Any thoughts are very welcome.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 16:49:02 »
A second avenue could be to share the information with a potentially interested vendor.

I do not know if the manufacturer of the HHKB may be interested in getting this feedback, again, if someone has some knowledge about it, please share it.

In summary, it appears that the community think that the current HHKB 2 Pro has some room for improvement.
Well, they might not be able to do Topre switches, but I know MassDrop has been taking polls about alternate 60% layouts to pursue:
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/60-keyboard-layouts

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 17:03:33 »
Are all these answers just dreaming and hoping, or is there really a possibility the HHKB Pro III design can change from them?
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 18:28:20 »
more weight options, pbt spacebar, mx compatible keycaps, and arrow keys (for since I won't buy a board without them) plate mounted switches.  Well screw it just get a FC660C and call it a a day lol.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 18:34:24 »
Are all these answers just dreaming and hoping, or is there really a possibility the HHKB Pro III design can change from them?

I'm pretty sure it is just dreaming.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 19:40:26 »
I may say that unless the HHKB maker would listen, we are just sharing a common topic of our interest. There are some alternatives in the MX realm, like the Viper, or GH60 with HHKB layout, that may be twisted a little to cover some of the suggestions here.

In any case I found this thread very insteresting, and I consider it a great learning experience.

Again, if some fellow GHer has some information that allow us to share this feedback with the HHKB maker please let us know.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 02 July 2014, 19:59:39 »
You can try 'HHKB official account' @PFU_HHKB on twitter. And I think they have a facebook acount.

But I don't think they are responsive and can give a openhearted talk.
« Last Edit: Wed, 02 July 2014, 20:01:30 by hasu »

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 24 July 2014, 03:35:46 »
I have recently build an Ergodox to move out from my lovely hhkb-pro-2, the reason of this is:
- I need a more ergonomic shape for my wrists
- I want to have it programmable, omg yes this is a very needed-one, I have even modified my Xmodmap for change keys to be more friendly for programming, and It was improved a lot, see the image in:   https://github.com/Elive/programmerskblayout
- Same as the first programmable-need, I would needed some extra keys, even if they are not used they are good to have if the user wants to configure them for their needs

Other suggestions:
- the configuable switches are nice but very limited, is much better to be able to program directly the controller saying what is each key, ship it with some software just for who needs it, everybody else shoudl be happy with the default settings and if not, it can be programable :)

This is a video of my new Ergodox: 

By other side im very happy with my hhkb-pro-2

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 24 July 2014, 18:32:46 »
Honestly, I don't really think I'd like the idea of a solid steel backplate for the HHKB switches. The case mount softens the bottoming out, and IMO adds to the typing experience and is part of the HHKB feel.

However, I'd love a metal bottom to the case, like the Omnikey. 55g and bluetooth seem to have a consensus on being good ideas for versions of the keyboard.

I think adding a trackpoint would be a good idea, too. For a keyboard who's whole purpose is to never have your hands leave the home row, it makes a lot of sense to include the functionality of a pointing device as well. Your hands would never need to move.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 24 July 2014, 18:41:48 »
I have recently build an Ergodox to move out from my lovely hhkb-pro-2, the reason of this is:
- I need a more ergonomic shape for my wrists
- I want to have it programmable, omg yes this is a very needed-one, I have even modified my Xmodmap for change keys to be more friendly for programming, and It was improved a lot, see the image in:   https://github.com/Elive/programmerskblayout
- Same as the first programmable-need, I would needed some extra keys, even if they are not used they are good to have if the user wants to configure them for their needs

Other suggestions:
- the configuable switches are nice but very limited, is much better to be able to program directly the controller saying what is each key, ship it with some software just for who needs it, everybody else shoudl be happy with the default settings and if not, it can be programable :)

This is a video of my new Ergodox: 

By other side im very happy with my hhkb-pro-2

For anyone else who reads this. If you want to try the ergodox then that probably means you are not afraid of some DIY work and soldering. If that is the case then you can use those skills to keep your HHKB but make it programmable. http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57008.0

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 20:45:44 »
These 3 Changes would make me happy :)
1. Split spacebar
2. Fully programable
3. PBT Spacebar

These additional things would make me verry happy :)
4. Aluminium case
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6. All 30g

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 20:51:58 »
USB 2.0/3.0 hub - Brings it into current needs for peripherals or charging while portable.
Metal case (or maybe a bit of weight added internally, I push mine around a bit) option. (Both for weight as previously mentioned and as something that could be PC or anodized)
mx compatible stems - See: pretty  Also see: customization
55g
Programability with an installable/working GUI similar to metaliqaz

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 22:40:29 »
These 3 Changes would make me happy :)
1. Split spacebar
2. Fully programable
3. PBT Spacebar

These additional things would make me verry happy :)
4. Aluminium case
5. Good feets
6. All 30g

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 25 September 2014, 06:36:06 »
This is pretty much what I'd love to have...


If I think about it twice, they could keep it as it is, just give me a fully programmable controller and split spacebar! :)

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 25 September 2014, 12:31:46 »
PBT spacebar, separate plate and case. Mx sliders with topre compatibility. And doesn't cost a kidney

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 25 September 2014, 17:57:36 »
Silenced Novatouch stems would be nice, along with some feet that actually grip. Metal case would of course be great, but the price would go up massively.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 25 September 2014, 19:59:54 »
The biggest draw of the HHKB seems to be the switches.   A gon with topre switches and blue tooth seem like a better keyboard to me although I imagine price would hit the 700 dollar mark.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 26 September 2014, 12:53:59 »
The only change I can think of is that i would like a smaller space with a function key on either side for multiple layers like the planck idea.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 26 September 2014, 13:09:05 »
I like the HHKB Pro 2 like it is. I particularly like the 60% form factor and highly efficient layout.

However, lately I have been using a RF 87u 55g, and I prefer the sound and feel of the RF to the HHKB. Therefore, if the HHKB Pro 3 would keep the form factor and layout or the Pro 2, here are some things that might make it even better:

+ 55g Topre switches.

+ Reduced cost of Type-S.

+ Address the reported "whistling" problem with Type-S.

+ Steel plate.

+ PBT spacebar.

+ Possibly more keycap choices, but keep the Topre stems. I don't need or want mx stems.

+ Possibly a Bluetooth option.


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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 26 September 2014, 13:13:37 »
Programmable controller.
Better feet.
Blue Tooth.

You guys that want a steel plate are crazy.
The case mounted switches are the whole reason the HHKB feels special.

There really should be group buy for plastic plates for other keyboards.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 26 September 2014, 20:40:24 »
+ Steel plate.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost certain that the reason people like the HHKB's feeling (or at least I do) is because it has case-mounted, rather than plate-mounted, switches. It'd also make it significantly heavier, pretty much as heavy as an FC660C, and then they would be essentially the same thing except with different layouts.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 28 September 2014, 10:28:46 »
Not much, the thing is pretty much perfect as is.

- More power to the USB ports

- 30g version alongside to the 45g

- A distributor in the EU.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 28 September 2014, 10:30:13 »
I would like  -$100 on the retail price  :p
                                      
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #60 on: Sun, 28 September 2014, 10:45:45 »
Affordable price would be a bonus, but who am I kidding?  This is Thorpe.  This is HHKB.

I bet the price will increase. And the HHKB III will be non-programmable again, because they are confident to produce the bestest and most elite keymapping ever. Ridiculous.  :(

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #61 on: Sun, 28 September 2014, 15:25:30 »
I bet the price will increase. And the HHKB III will be non-programmable again, because they are confident to produce the bestest and most elite keymapping ever. Ridiculous.  :(







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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 28 September 2014, 15:40:25 »
If the current torpre Coolermaster keyboard is both good and successful maybe Coolmaster can build one us a fully programmable 60%.   As much as they are selling to the gamer market they really are starting to build some fine key boards.   Are you listening???
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 29 September 2014, 10:14:12 »
55g, silent and with MX compatible sliders.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 29 September 2014, 16:52:27 »
God damnit... can we add "[Wish List]" to the title or something? I think this is the 4th time I've clicked on this threading thinking "HOLY **** THE HHKB 3?!?!!"

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 29 September 2014, 18:56:17 »
I bet fujitsu has no plans for making an hhkb pro iii this year :(
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 30 September 2014, 02:53:22 »
why no love for 35g?

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #67 on: Tue, 30 September 2014, 03:20:46 »
God damnit... can we add "[Wish List]" to the title or something? I think this is the 4th time I've clicked on this threading thinking "HOLY **** THE HHKB 3?!?!!"
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #68 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 09:53:18 »
MX sliders are a terrible idea IMO

They make the sound unbearably bad and loud.

I agree alu case 55g, 45g, or 35g, would be amazing also revised keycaps, all come with the silent purple sliders without the sound dampening

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #69 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:51:13 »
MX sliders are a terrible idea IMO

They make the sound unbearably bad and loud.

I agree alu case 55g, 45g, or 35g, would be amazing also revised keycaps, all come with the silent purple sliders without the sound dampening
I think that's just a novatouch thing. I haven't heard of noise increases from people who transplanted mx sliders into their HHKB.

The sound dampening is the best part. Silenced topre 4 lyfe. None of that noisy upstroke :(

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #70 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 12:30:00 »
MX sliders are a terrible idea IMO

They make the sound unbearably bad and loud.

I agree alu case 55g, 45g, or 35g, would be amazing also revised keycaps, all come with the silent purple sliders without the sound dampening
I think that's just a novatouch thing. I haven't heard of noise increases from people who transplanted mx sliders into their HHKB.

The sound dampening is the best part. Silenced topre 4 lyfe. None of that noisy upstroke :(


Hollow cases made of brittle materials make the sound worst.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #71 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 13:13:22 »
It'd be nice if they started selling Topre domes of varying weights separately from the keyboards themselves so that customers aren't forced to scavenge boards to change the weighting of their switches. 20g and 80g versions might be fun.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #72 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 14:48:46 »
It'd be nice if they started selling Topre domes of varying weights separately from the keyboards themselves so that customers aren't forced to scavenge boards to change the weighting of their switches. 20g and 80g versions might be fun.
20g? That's Way too light. I can't imagine anybody typing on 20g.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #73 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 16:03:01 »

It'd be nice if they started selling Topre domes of varying weights separately from the keyboards themselves so that customers aren't forced to scavenge boards to change the weighting of their switches. 20g and 80g versions might be fun.
20g? That's Way too light. I can't imagine anybody typing on 20g.

30g hhkb is super light as is

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #74 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 16:46:16 »
I keep seeing this thread pop up and I click on it because I keep thinking there was a hhkb3 announcement. But, alas, it is not yet to be. :(

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #75 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 19:08:57 »
I really don't see the need for a HHKBIII. Everything people are asking for is just, to me, not necessary.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #76 on: Tue, 28 April 2015, 09:08:15 »
MX sliders are a terrible idea IMO

They make the sound unbearably bad and loud.

I agree alu case 55g, 45g, or 35g, would be amazing also revised keycaps, all come with the silent purple sliders without the sound dampening
I think that's just a novatouch thing. I haven't heard of noise increases from people who transplanted mx sliders into their HHKB.

The sound dampening is the best part. Silenced topre 4 lyfe. None of that noisy upstroke :(


Maybe it idk. I would just like TOPRE TO MAKE MORE KEYCAPS ER MER GERHD... That alone would sell like crazy and would make more people open to topre but... nooo they cancel them ugh just give them back to us or just make the hhkb 3 in differnt colors
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 28 April 2015, 17:55:48 »
As others have said an aluminum case and more power to the USB ports would be my ideal modifications.  The size and layout are just absolutely perfect.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 28 April 2015, 18:41:25 »
Novatouch stems.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #79 on: Tue, 28 April 2015, 18:52:16 »
i want rubber on the feet

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 29 April 2015, 07:07:54 »
Novatouch stems.


+1 to this: Being able to use MX caps would be awesome.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #81 on: Wed, 29 April 2015, 18:22:25 »
Novatouch stems.


+1 to this: Being able to use MX caps would be awesome.
Or just topre keycaps to expand and be common place, like MX.


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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #82 on: Wed, 29 April 2015, 19:56:27 »
Never gonna happen.  That's why I got the Novatouch.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #83 on: Fri, 01 May 2015, 03:07:21 »
I'd love to have the F-keys and full programmability. The lack of F-keys on 60% can be a real drag in IDEs, which makes for unhappy hacking.

Programmability mitigates this somewhat, but it's still better to have the keys.

If no F-keys I'll end up w a number pad in which case I'd still want the usb hub bc it helps reduce cablling.

A trackpoint option would be fantastic.

Tiny spacebar or split. No need for giant block spacebar. The JIS layout fills me with envy and inspiration.

Finally a switchable wireless option so it can toggle between multiple computer would be great. Like work/home or workstation/laptop/phone ...

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 02 May 2015, 13:28:27 »
If the case was a bit more solid/heavier would be cool
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 02 May 2015, 21:21:27 »
Hhkb3 is hhkb2 in a red case.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #86 on: Sun, 21 May 2017, 20:06:43 »
Still waiting for HHKB Pro 3

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #87 on: Sun, 21 May 2017, 20:28:42 »
I think my list has already been said but here goes:
1. Uniform 55g option.
2. Metal plate option.
3. PBT spacebar.
4. MX compatible sliders and/or more Topre keycap options.
5. Better feet.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 21 May 2017, 21:21:22 »
I think my list has already been said but here goes:
1. Uniform 55g option.
2. Metal plate option.
3. PBT spacebar.
4. MX compatible sliders and/or more Topre keycap options.
5. Better feet.

Yeah, I agree with all of those! Would make it a lot easier on us. That way we do not have to part out 3 different boards haha

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 21 May 2017, 21:52:49 »
Split Fn/Spacebar.  Option for hi-pro caps. Aluminum case with weight. PBT space bar. USB C.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #90 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 01:16:41 »
I think my list has already been said but here goes:
2. Metal plate option.
4. MX compatible sliders and/or more Topre keycap options.

2. A metal plate would make HHKBs feel like a RF and thus destroy the classic HHKB feel.
4. Cherry profile is just plain wrong on an HHKB. I have no strong feelings about SA or DSA but I think PBT OEM Topre is part of the HHKB appeal.

Split Fn/Spacebar.  Option for hi-pro caps. Aluminum case with weight. PBT space bar. USB C.

Yes, yes, no, yes, yes

Hi-pro caps are fine but the board would need to be changed to allow for the hi-pro upper housing, just using hi-pro caps increases wobble because the caps lack support. Making an Aluminum HHKB will change the entire feeling of the board and basically make it an RF unless it was alu with a plastic plate.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #91 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 07:14:51 »
Surprised at the amount of people who want to change the few things that make this keyboard unique.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #92 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 07:37:18 »
Surprised at the amount of people who want to change the few things that make this keyboard unique.

I think a lot of people put up with the weirdness/drawbacks of HHKB just to get the great feel of the case mounted switches. I'd love PFU to make an ANSI  TKL, and if they wanted to call it HHKB III, no prob.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #93 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 07:50:42 »
A standard bottom row.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #94 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 07:56:29 »

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #95 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 08:19:08 »
To me, empty space on 60% makes no sense. Apart from that, while gaming, my pinkie needs that bottom key. I hope someday, someone will make a "regular" 60% topre. I just hope it will be a good one, like HHKB.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #96 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 08:57:50 »
2. A metal plate would make HHKBs feel like a RF and thus destroy the classic HHKB feel.
Indeed. The feel and sound of the HHKB is from the plastic integrated plate.

4. Cherry profile is just plain wrong on an HHKB. I have no strong feelings about SA or DSA but I think PBT OEM Topre is part of the HHKB appeal.
For what it's worth, the keycap family on the HHKB is Stepsculpture 2. This is as close as it gets to Cherry.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #97 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 11:12:51 »
I'm so used to mine now (having 2 at work and one at home) that I don't have many complaints.  I do wish it was fully programmable now, that little fn key under return could be used for something; even just having that just show up in the registry so I could software bind it would be a huge +.

Another feature I REALLY wish the HHKB had is powered USB.  It seems to provide enough for a ducky pocket 10key but not enough for the basic steelseries rival mouse.  This is actually a pretty big drawback for me.  If you don't use the built in usb it does wonders for wire management.

The feet suck and it slides, easy enough fix but for the price it shouldn't have any issues with build quality.

I just don't like how light the HHKB is.  I like how the realforce boads weigh as much as you'd expect a really good MK to.  The HHKB should be made of some sort of metal.  That would be great.

Finally it needs hybrid keystems.  I like the HHKB caps but I'd really like to switch them out without waiting 100 years and spending extra money on third party topre/cherry stems.  The ability to use more custome caps would be very veeeeery welcome.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #98 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 11:52:29 »
Surprised at the amount of people who want to change the few things that make this keyboard unique.

I think a lot of people put up with the weirdness/drawbacks of HHKB just to get the great feel of the case mounted switches.

The popularity of HHKB layout MX builds would say otherwise.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #99 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 12:09:07 »
The unix layout is why I personally love it. The switches are just an added plus. A good chunk of this thread is just people indirectly wanting a Topre Pok3r.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #100 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 12:16:01 »
I think my list has already been said but here goes:
2. Metal plate option.
4. MX compatible sliders and/or more Topre keycap options.

2. A metal plate would make HHKBs feel like a RF and thus destroy the classic HHKB feel.
4. Cherry profile is just plain wrong on an HHKB. I have no strong feelings about SA or DSA but I think PBT OEM Topre is part of the HHKB appeal.

Split Fn/Spacebar.  Option for hi-pro caps. Aluminum case with weight. PBT space bar. USB C.

Yes, yes, no, yes, yes

Hi-pro caps are fine but the board would need to be changed to allow for the hi-pro upper housing, just using hi-pro caps increases wobble because the caps lack support. Making an Aluminum HHKB will change the entire feeling of the board and basically make it an RF unless it was alu with a plastic plate.

I agree on the cherry profile. I ONLY like stock topre caps. They are part of the experience. I have no want or need for the sliders but I think it would be neat for the people that use them.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #101 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 12:18:46 »
A standard bottom row.
No

Surprised at the amount of people who want to change the few things that make this keyboard unique.

I think a lot of people put up with the weirdness/drawbacks of HHKB just to get the great feel of the case mounted switches.

The popularity of HHKB layout MX builds would say otherwise.

The unix layout is why I personally love it. The switches are just an added plus. A good chunk of this thread is just people indirectly wanting a Topre Pok3r.

the HHKB layout is the best layout out there IMO. They popularity is through the roof right now. I think people (I know I would) riot if the next iteration was not the same layout. I am perfectly happy with my Pro 2 and even if a Pro 3 came out I would most likely not buy. I have too much invested in this one. Now a Pro 1 is a different story...

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #102 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 12:31:01 »
Surprised at the amount of people who want to change the few things that make this keyboard unique.
+1
Having endorsed this sentiment, I've been guilty of changing some things in the HHKB Pro 2 -- namely, adding silencing rings and lube. However, silencing is already an option and lube isn't in the same category as making a fundamental change in the structure of the keyboard.

I've experimented with other changes, such as swapping out 45g domes for 55g, but since then I've gone back to the stock 45g domes. In the past, I've also wished for a steel plate, but I think that a steel plate in the 60% form factor would be too stiff. I like the resilience of the plastic case-mounted switches in the HHKB Pro 2.

I can understand why some folks would like to have rubber-tipped feet, but these would not be too difficult to add to the existing model. Many 60% keyboards do not have flip-out feet; in such cases, it is easy to add self-adhesive feet or bumpers. I like a fairly steep typing angle, and to achieve this on some of my boards I use cone-shaped rubber feet to get the necessary height without requiring a large diameter. I use an extra-large mouse pad that is big enough for a keyboard and mouse, and this keeps any keyboard from sliding on the desk.

Weight is sometimes equated with build quality, but this is not a necessary correlation. I was initially put off by the lightness of the HHKB Pro 2, but then I realized that I don't pick up the board that often to notice its weight. And sometimes, I like to carry the board with me in my backpack -- in those situations, I am glad I'm carrying a HHKB Pro 2 and not a Kishsaver.

Nevertheless, if PFU or another company were to decide to introduce a HHKB Pro III, more power to them. I just hope that if this were to happen that they would continue to produce the HHKB Pro 2 as well.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #103 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 13:08:26 »
the HHKB layout is the best layout out there IMO. They popularity is through the roof right now. I think people (I know I would) riot if the next iteration was not the same layout. I am perfectly happy with my Pro 2 and even if a Pro 3 came out I would most likely not buy. I have too much invested in this one. Now a Pro 1 is a different story...

I agree about the layout, I think HHKBs have plenty of keys and with the addition of a HASU you can really make it perfect. I currently have a 55g RF domeswapped Pro 2 and a Pro 1 (both HASU) but I am considering a 3rd for a future project so if a 3 came out I may buy one.

Surprised at the amount of people who want to change the few things that make this keyboard unique.

Yep, seems like a lot of people just want a topre Pok3r. This wouldn't be a job for PFU but instead a job for Topre themselves. HHKBs are moddable as is without ruining the core design of the board, if you want something entirely different maybe you should buy a different board.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #104 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 18:17:50 »
1. What does a HASU do?
2. I see more people asking for split spacebar than anything else. The last I checked, there aren't any staggered boards that come with one.

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« Reply #105 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 18:20:37 »
1. What does a HASU do?
2. I see more people asking for split spacebar than anything else. The last I checked, there aren't any staggered boards that come with one.

A HASU controller allows you to reprogram the HHKB so you can have whatever layout you want.

There are plenty of custom boards the come with a split space, just not many (if any) mass produced boards with them. Unless you count JIS as a split space
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #106 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 20:28:01 »
Surprised at the amount of people who want to change the few things that make this keyboard unique.

Yep, seems like a lot of people just want a topre Pok3r. This wouldn't be a job for PFU but instead a job for Topre themselves. HHKBs are moddable as is without ruining the core design of the board, if you want something entirely different maybe you should buy a different board.
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Speaking just for myself, it's more about the unique feel of case mounted, 45g Topre switches that PFU has put together. There is no other keyboard I know of that offers that great feeling. So I put up with the non-optimal layout to get that typing feel that can currently only be found on the HHKB. So since I prefer the standard ANSI layout, I can dream about a PFU, case-mounted 45g or 55g TKL that would offer that great key switch feel + the format that I have memorized over 20 years. I think they could sell quite a few case-mounted Topre switch keyboard that have a more traditional layout, while still offering the HHKB Unix-style deal. Probably never happen.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #107 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 22:27:37 »
Speaking just for myself, it's more about the unique feel of case mounted, 45g Topre switches that PFU has put together. There is no other keyboard I know of that offers that great feeling. So I put up with the non-optimal layout to get that typing feel that can currently only be found on the HHKB. So since I prefer the standard ANSI layout, I can dream about a PFU, case-mounted 45g or 55g TKL that would offer that great key switch feel + the format that I have memorized over 20 years. I think they could sell quite a few case-mounted Topre switch keyboard that have a more traditional layout, while still offering the HHKB Unix-style deal. Probably never happen.

No matter how much people in the community want something like that it won't happen. Similar to the GMK PBT argument, it makes no sense economically for PFU to make a TKL.

I think you're in a minority when it comes to thinking the HHKB layout is non-optimal.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #108 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 22:51:13 »
Speaking just for myself, it's more about the unique feel of case mounted, 45g Topre switches that PFU has put together. There is no other keyboard I know of that offers that great feeling. So I put up with the non-optimal layout to get that typing feel that can currently only be found on the HHKB. So since I prefer the standard ANSI layout, I can dream about a PFU, case-mounted 45g or 55g TKL that would offer that great key switch feel + the format that I have memorized over 20 years. I think they could sell quite a few case-mounted Topre switch keyboard that have a more traditional layout, while still offering the HHKB Unix-style deal. Probably never happen.

No matter how much people in the community want something like that it won't happen. Similar to the GMK PBT argument, it makes no sense economically for PFU to make a TKL.

I think you're in a minority when it comes to thinking the HHKB layout is non-optimal.

I'm curious if you think it would make economic sense for PFU to make any other keyboard products than what they make right now. Do you  think they shouldn't branch out and provide their superior combination of case-mounted Topre on any other layouts? Nothing makes sense for them to do different? If I were them I'd keep the HHKB as their crown jewel, but maybe dip their toe in some other formats to test how broad the appeal of the case mounted Topre switch could be.

But then maybe I'd bankrupt them with my crazy schemes, ha.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #109 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 23:03:48 »
Speaking just for myself, it's more about the unique feel of case mounted, 45g Topre switches that PFU has put together. There is no other keyboard I know of that offers that great feeling. So I put up with the non-optimal layout to get that typing feel that can currently only be found on the HHKB. So since I prefer the standard ANSI layout, I can dream about a PFU, case-mounted 45g or 55g TKL that would offer that great key switch feel + the format that I have memorized over 20 years. I think they could sell quite a few case-mounted Topre switch keyboard that have a more traditional layout, while still offering the HHKB Unix-style deal. Probably never happen.

No matter how much people in the community want something like that it won't happen. Similar to the GMK PBT argument, it makes no sense economically for PFU to make a TKL.

I think you're in a minority when it comes to thinking the HHKB layout is non-optimal.

I'm curious if you think it would make economic sense for PFU to make any other keyboard products than what they make right now. Do you  think they shouldn't branch out and provide their superior combination of case-mounted Topre on any other layouts? Nothing makes sense for them to do different? If I were them I'd keep the HHKB as their crown jewel, but maybe dip their toe in some other formats to test how broad the appeal of the case mounted Topre switch could be.

But then maybe I'd bankrupt them with my crazy schemes, ha.

It's just that keyboards are only a small part of their income so small changes to the HHKB (like the HHKB BT) make sense because they're adding something to an already successful product. Given the size of their company and the fact that a PFU TKL would be competing with Realforce (owned by Topre) just makes the board a risky idea. HHKBs offer something that Realforces don't, a PFU TKL would only expand their range to a tiny market of collectors who care about the difference between case and plate mount Topre.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #110 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 08:30:53 »
Speaking just for myself, it's more about the unique feel of case mounted, 45g Topre switches that PFU has put together. There is no other keyboard I know of that offers that great feeling. So I put up with the non-optimal layout to get that typing feel that can currently only be found on the HHKB. So since I prefer the standard ANSI layout, I can dream about a PFU, case-mounted 45g or 55g TKL that would offer that great key switch feel + the format that I have memorized over 20 years. I think they could sell quite a few case-mounted Topre switch keyboard that have a more traditional layout, while still offering the HHKB Unix-style deal. Probably never happen.

No matter how much people in the community want something like that it won't happen. Similar to the GMK PBT argument, it makes no sense economically for PFU to make a TKL.

I think you're in a minority when it comes to thinking the HHKB layout is non-optimal.

I do like most of the things HHKB layout has to offer (FN and backspace placement, and more).
Still, I don't think there is anything "optimal" about it not having all of the bottom row keys, unless maybe you like to rest your fingers there :)

While I know most of you like the "uniqueness" of it, I personally couldn't care less about it. I only want it to fit my needs the best.

To each, his own I guess. Regards!

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #111 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 10:02:50 »
Don't assault me for saying this, but I think it would be pretty cool if they stopped wasting all that space on the bottom and put something there other than a billboard for their product. I mean seriously, with a 60% you need all the keys you can fit. Just put the fancy logo on the side of the board.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #112 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 13:20:39 »
Speaking just for myself, it's more about the unique feel of case mounted, 45g Topre switches that PFU has put together. There is no other keyboard I know of that offers that great feeling. So I put up with the non-optimal layout to get that typing feel that can currently only be found on the HHKB. So since I prefer the standard ANSI layout, I can dream about a PFU, case-mounted 45g or 55g TKL that would offer that great key switch feel + the format that I have memorized over 20 years. I think they could sell quite a few case-mounted Topre switch keyboard that have a more traditional layout, while still offering the HHKB Unix-style deal. Probably never happen.

No matter how much people in the community want something like that it won't happen. Similar to the GMK PBT argument, it makes no sense economically for PFU to make a TKL.

I think you're in a minority when it comes to thinking the HHKB layout is non-optimal.

I do like most of the things HHKB layout has to offer (FN and backspace placement, and more).
Still, I don't think there is anything "optimal" about it not having all of the bottom row keys, unless maybe you like to rest your fingers there :)

While I know most of you like the "uniqueness" of it, I personally couldn't care less about it. I only want it to fit my needs the best.

To each, his own I guess. Regards!
I used to think this as well, but when you go to design a board with the purpose of maintaining home row orientation, you quickly find out that the only way to reach that corner of the board is to take your hands off of the home row, so it'should essentially dead space.
Don't assault me for saying this, but I think it would be pretty cool if they stopped wasting all that space on the bottom and put something there other than a billboard for their product. I mean seriously, with a 60% you need all the keys you can fit. Just put the fancy logo on the side of the board.
I'm considering placing a display on one side and a usb on the other.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #113 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 13:30:41 »
Don't assault me for saying this, but I think it would be pretty cool if they stopped wasting all that space on the bottom and put something there other than a billboard for their product. I mean seriously, with a 60% you need all the keys you can fit. Just put the fancy logo on the side of the board.
I'm considering placing a display one one side and a usb on the other.
What

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #114 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 14:30:24 »
Perhaps a small knob and a misile switch would be more fitting.

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HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #115 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 16:27:54 »
If the HHKB III doesn't have RGB why would anyone buy it?

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« Reply #116 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 19:54:46 »
If the HHKB III doesn't have RGB why would anyone buy it?
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #117 on: Wed, 24 May 2017, 13:59:01 »
metal

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #118 on: Wed, 24 May 2017, 16:25:17 »
metal


What metal?: The plate? The case? The key caps?

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #119 on: Wed, 24 May 2017, 18:55:57 »
A 6.25u or 7u spacebar.  And personally I'd want it to come with topre/mx stems, but I'd be content with just a change to a standard-sized spacebar.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #122 on: Mon, 20 May 2019, 09:35:51 »
Plot twist, HHKB III is released but with Cherry switches.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #123 on: Mon, 20 May 2019, 10:03:04 »
Plot twist, HHKB III is released but with Cherry switches.

Imagine the swarms of angry customers going into keyboard shops

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #124 on: Mon, 20 May 2019, 16:12:18 »
Plot twist, HHKB III is released but with Cherry switches.
Here's another plot twist: the Cherry switches aren't even Cherry switches at all. They're imitation Romer G switches.
Current driver: HHKB Pro 2 (BKE Ultra Lights), Wooting One w/ Flaretech Red switches and HyperX PBT keycaps.

Other keyboards I own and like: Realforce 87U Variable Weight, Realforce 87U 55g, Niz Plum, Magicforce 108 Gateron Reds w/ O-Rings.

Other keyboards I have: Magicforce 68 Cherry MX Brown, Havit Low-Profile Kailh Blue, Logitech K740,
Yeah, it's a loooooooooooot of keyboards. :P

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #125 on: Mon, 20 May 2019, 16:45:08 »
tbh I am pretty happy with my BT and Pro 1. Not sure I would buy a 3....




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« Reply #126 on: Wed, 29 May 2019, 08:36:26 »
The only upgrades needed are USB C and user programmable firmware.

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #127 on: Wed, 29 May 2019, 11:15:14 »
1 USB-C
2 Bluetooth with internal battery (like dual 18650's)
3 Thick pbt key caps
4 Programmable
5 Internal flash/ssd storage would be cool

I feel its important to leave the case and design alone though. That plastic plate/case sound is what makes it so nice.
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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #128 on: Mon, 03 June 2019, 01:50:24 »
1 USB-C
2 Bluetooth with internal battery (like dual 18650's)
3 Thick pbt key caps
4 Programmable
5 Internal flash/ssd storage would be cool

I feel its important to leave the case and design alone though. That plastic plate/case sound is what makes it so nice.

but they should not discontinued the (still new) Bluetooth version.

The PRO 3 is good but sure will have wire !

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Re: HHKB Pro III.
« Reply #129 on: Sat, 15 June 2019, 12:50:11 »
Besides what has already been mentioned, I would like an ISO layout version. I wouldn't mind a PBT spacebar if they have to split the key in two to make manufacturing easier.