Not to get all "tp" but..

[daerid]

I'm not the world's fastest typist. For years and years I maxed out at around 85wpm. When I made the switch to mechanical boards I think the highest I clocked was 91wpm.

Since moving to the ErgoDox my average typing speed is now hovering around ~103wpm, and moving steadily upwards (my peak I think is 110wpm). And my fingers are more relaxed when I hit those speeds too. Clears might have something to do with it as well.

Just sayin....

[Michael]

hi tp

[tp4tissue]

YESssah... you've been savedahhh.....  hallelujah hallelujah.... the Lorrrdaah..  Ergodoxxah...

[mauri]

preach on brotha

[Thimplum]

preach it

[elttaboi]

Doesn't it feel weird to have your hands separate? I'm so used to them being right next to each other.

[vun]

I don't know if my wpm has gone up, but I am loving the layout of the eDox, don't think I can ever go back now. Should probably work on a typing style that reduces finger travel though, I suspect my current method is not the best.

[Sifo]

**** i wonder if i can hit 200 wpm on ergo dox

[BliTzKiN]

I'm waiting on mine to arrive. So excitinggg

[debt4lyfe]

highest i ever hit was 112 and that wasn't on a weird selection of words. most of the time i just don't need to type very fast, i guess.

[eth0s]

The Road Not Taken ~ Robert Frost (1874–1963)
 
 
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,   
And sorry I could not travel both   
And be one traveler, long I stood   
And looked down one as far as I could   
To where it bent in the undergrowth;           5
 
Then took the other, as just as fair,   
And having perhaps the better claim,   
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;   
Though as for that the passing there   
Had worn them really about the same,           10
 
And both that morning equally lay   
In leaves no step had trodden black.   
Oh, I kept the first for another day!   
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,   
I doubted if I should ever come back.           15
 
I shall be telling this with a sigh   
Somewhere ages and ages hence:   
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—   
I took the TOPRE HHKB for a try,   
And that has made all the difference.         20

[pixel5]

--snip--

Alright, big guy. Here's an original one. ON THE HOUSE.


I once had a rich man come over
Not sure he was entirely sober
The next time he came
His head hung in shame
As his money he spent all on Topre

[eth0s]

Well, tbh, I had 400 wicked and evil dollars in my pocket.  And I had to get rid of them, lest they tempt me to perdition.  So I spent them on a Topre HHKB Pro 2 Type-S.  And now I know I am on the path to salvation.

[chill1217]

i type at about 100-110 wpm on a normal qwerty board, and at that point i actually type faster than i can think of what to write (i tend to choose my words pretty carefully).  i know i could switch to dvorak and possibly go even faster, but higher wpm just isn't a selling point for me anymore    not worth the effort/barrier of entry

[TimIsABat]

If only I didn't have to spend money on rent during the recent massdrop

[tp4tissue]

i type at about 100-110 wpm on a normal qwerty board, and at that point i actually type faster than i can think of what to write (i tend to choose my words pretty carefully).  i know i could switch to dvorak and possibly go even faster, but higher wpm just isn't a selling point for me anymore    not worth the effort/barrier of entry

^^^ you clearly were not choosing your words carefully when you wrote that piece of crap.

It's probably not you though.. your keyboard's holding you back... Ergodox time...

[therecorder]

tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...

When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100.  ErgoDox is a different story.  For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures".  However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.).  Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).

All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.

[jwaz]

When are you guys going to step your game up and go Colemak?

[chill1217]

^^^ you clearly were not choosing your words carefully when you wrote that piece of crap.

It's probably not you though.. your keyboard's holding you back... Ergodox time...

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lol, actually the ergodox does intrigue me.  just wish it had topre though  ;)

[pagosElite]

How much does the whole Ergodox keyboard cost (pcb, plate, case, etc) all together total?

[daerid]

Not taking into account the cost of assembly (or your time if you assemble it yourself), every MassDrop run has gone down to $199 for the base kit, +$37 for a set of PBT DSA keycaps. Usually they do a group buy for PBT DCS keycaps as well, and those can go for anywhere from ~$40-$50. So anywhere from $200 - $300.

No idea how much it would be to source your own parts.

[pagosElite]

Not taking into account the cost of assembly (or your time if you assemble it yourself), every MassDrop run has gone down to $199 for the base kit, +$37 for a set of PBT DSA keycaps. Usually they do a group buy for PBT DCS keycaps as well, and those can go for anywhere from ~$40-$50. So anywhere from $200 - $300.

No idea how much it would be to source your own parts.

What makes these keyboards worth $300? I mean, are they more comfortable, longer-lasting, amazing, etc...?

[Glod]

Not taking into account the cost of assembly (or your time if you assemble it yourself), every MassDrop run has gone down to $199 for the base kit, +$37 for a set of PBT DSA keycaps. Usually they do a group buy for PBT DCS keycaps as well, and those can go for anywhere from ~$40-$50. So anywhere from $200 - $300.

No idea how much it would be to source your own parts.

What makes these keyboards worth $300? I mean, are they more comfortable, longer-lasting, amazing, etc...?

They are community designed and parts sourced, the fact it is not mass produced makes it more expensive.

is it comfortable - hell yes
Longer lasting - i hope
Amazing - **** yeah

Got to say there is 2 things that made me like my ergodox more from the base version you get
1. DCS profile instead of DSA, it changed my WPM and accuracy
2. Tenting/Adding Slope

[meiosis]

god bless

[rowdy]

The Church of tp4tissue has a convert

[Glod]

When are you guys going to step your game up and go Colemak?

good question, i keep telling myself i want to do this but i like DCS profile and need legends, I could easily do this with the DSA retro but i found myself with less acuracy with DSA.

[Oobly]

When are you guys going to step your game up and go Colemak?

For the sake of your index fingers, don't!

Just joking. Kind of. I have been researching all the layouts I could find, analysing, comparing, scrutinising, etc. and they all have some issues. With Colemak the index fingers are overworked and the typing rhythm isn't as good as it could / should be. Dvorak has better rhythm, but a few keys are in weird spots, like L and U.

The one I am going to learn as soon as my DIY ergo board is done is AdNW, specifically the BU-Teck variant (or a modified form without the German letters). From what I have read it's very well optimised AND has good rhythm. I hope to keep some QWERTY speed by only learning the new layout on my new ergo board, so it's a separate set of muscle memory, not sure if that'll work out, though.

[tp4tissue]

tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...

When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100.  ErgoDox is a different story.  For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures".  However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.).  Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).


All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.

That couldn't be further from the truth..

First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...

Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.


Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....

[zoolzoo]

he's tp v2!

[tp4tissue]

he's tp v2!

I heard v1 is better, more responsive.

[therecorder]

tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...

When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100.  ErgoDox is a different story.  For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures".  However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.).  Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).


All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.

That couldn't be further from the truth..

First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...

Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.


Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....

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Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500.  And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)?  Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands?   And, what if you are a teenager or in university student...  Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.

Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.

[phx]

I ALMOST jumped onto the ErgoTrain. I looked at how people set up their keys and I realized it would be a huge pain for me to use it since I use the function keys and arrow quite often. If I use my keyboard for mainly typing letters then I would have definitely gotten one.

maybe next time...........

[tp4tissue]

tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...

When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100.  ErgoDox is a different story.  For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures".  However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.).  Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).


All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.

That couldn't be further from the truth..

First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...

Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.


Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....

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Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500.  And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)?  Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands?   And, what if you are a teenager or in university student...  Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.

Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.

I've already went through several solutions to your alleged problems.. But because I'm so nice, let's repeat them

Ergodox cost: International shipping + tax..  $500,  if you need 2 Ergodoxes, $1000

Solution:  Eat top-ramen, save money... DONE..

Wife doesn't like the Ergodox:

Solution: Divorce

Wife / Shared computer user has small hands..

Solution: Use center right 1x key for space bar.  because the ergodox is so well matrixed, there is little wrist movement during typing, so even if you must use a 1x space bar, it is perfectly adequate and easy to find..

This is unlike a qwerty keyboard where your hands have to move all over the place to reach the center index finger keys and things like backspace on the top right corner.   THIS DOESN"T happen on the ergodox when properly configured.


The take-away message is,  ERGODOX is for everyone.. and everyone is to have an ergodox.

[Thimplum]

if you need 2 Ergodoxes, $1000

What if you got combined shipping?

BTW, is the small hands thing a big issue? I can only reach an octave+1 on the piano.

[Hellmark]

tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...

When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100.  ErgoDox is a different story.  For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures".  However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.).  Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.

That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.

$270? My wife and I average $65 a week on groceries. So, basically following your advice, I'd just have to not eat for a month to afford it.

$270 may be paltry to you, but, for a good chunk of people, ESPECIALLY students, it is not.

[tp4tissue]

tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...

When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100.  ErgoDox is a different story.  For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures".  However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.).  Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.

That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.

$270? My wife and I average $65 a week on groceries. So, basically following your advice, I'd just have to not eat for a month to afford it.

$270 may be paltry to you, but, for a good chunk of people, ESPECIALLY students, it is not.

you didn't read the part... cut back to----- top ramen.......

I didn't say don't eat anything "at all"

[mauri]

Groceries, however are not necessary for ones survival. Ergodox in the other hand is.

[tp4tissue]

Groceries, however are not necessary for ones survival. Ergodox in the other hand is.

Holla... mmmm hmmm...

[meiosis]

*plays Amazing Grace in the background*

[mauri]

*plays Amazing Grace in the background*

Amazing edooooox - how sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost - but now am found
Was blind but now I see (x2)

[Hellmark]

Groceries, however are not necessary for ones survival. Ergodox in the other hand is.

Holla... mmmm hmmm...

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tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...

When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100.  ErgoDox is a different story.  For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures".  However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.).  Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.

That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.

$270? My wife and I average $65 a week on groceries. So, basically following your advice, I'd just have to not eat for a month to afford it.

$270 may be paltry to you, but, for a good chunk of people, ESPECIALLY students, it is not.

you didn't read the part... cut back to----- top ramen.......

I didn't say don't eat anything "at all"

What if someone is at that ramen level anyway?

[Calyx]

I ALMOST jumped onto the ErgoTrain. I looked at how people set up their keys and I realized it would be a huge pain for me to use it since I use the function keys and arrow quite often. If I use my keyboard for mainly typing letters then I would have definitely gotten one.

maybe next time...........

You can use layers to make all the F and arrow keys easy.  Take a look at my MicroDox layout (http://goo.gl/Ci2TSt).  You hold down the ~L1 key and all of the F keys are instantly under your left hand.  And the whole layout only uses 46 keys!

[mauri]

Groceries, however are not necessary for ones survival. Ergodox in the other hand is.

Holla... mmmm hmmm...

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tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...

When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100.  ErgoDox is a different story.  For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures".  However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.).  Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.

That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.

$270? My wife and I average $65 a week on groceries. So, basically following your advice, I'd just have to not eat for a month to afford it.

$270 may be paltry to you, but, for a good chunk of people, ESPECIALLY students, it is not.

you didn't read the part... cut back to----- top ramen.......

I didn't say don't eat anything "at all"

What if someone is at that ramen level anyway?

Then the next logical step is to subtract the wife part ಠ_ಠ

[Air tree]

Or just not get a ergodox and you can eat all the ramen you want and keep your wife!

[mauri]

Or just not get a ergodox and you can eat all the ramen you want and keep your wife!

There seems to be a major flaw in this equation

[MOZ]

I have to agree with the ErgoDox, once you go Ergo, it is hard to go back.

Ordered a Phantom PCB, for those in the family that just can't use the ErgoDox.

[davkol]

tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...

When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100.  ErgoDox is a different story.  For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures".  However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.).  Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).


All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.

That couldn't be further from the truth..

First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...

Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.


Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....

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Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500.  And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)?  Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands?   And, what if you are a teenager or in university student...  Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.

Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.

I'm in Central Europe. I paid only about $275 for the whole kit including keycaps, and then roughly $50 VAT. That isn't that much for people who type for living (or will do so for the rest of their lives)—probably except Indian spammers (you know, those who fill captchas and stuff) and Nigerian scammers.

Note that I'm a student.

[therecorder]

tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...

When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100.  ErgoDox is a different story.  For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures".  However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.).  Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).


All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.

That couldn't be further from the truth..

First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...

Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.


Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....

Show Image

Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500.  And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)?  Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands?   And, what if you are a teenager or in university student...  Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.

Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.

I'm in Central Europe. I paid only about $275 for the whole kit including keycaps, and then roughly $50 VAT. That isn't that much for people who type for living (or will do so for the rest of their lives)—probably except Indian spammers (you know, those who fill captchas and stuff) and Nigerian scammers.

Note that I'm a student.

What about assembly and shipping?

[Thimplum]

Indian spammers

You know he apologized, right?

[Thimplum]

tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...

When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100.  ErgoDox is a different story.  For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures".  However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.).  Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).


All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.

That couldn't be further from the truth..

First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...

Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.


Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....

Show Image

Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500.  And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)?  Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands?   And, what if you are a teenager or in university student...  Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.

Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.

I'm in Central Europe. I paid only about $275 for the whole kit including keycaps, and then roughly $50 VAT. That isn't that much for people who type for living (or will do so for the rest of their lives)—probably except Indian spammers (you know, those who fill captchas and stuff) and Nigerian scammers.

Note that I'm a student.

What about assembly and shipping?

If you do all through hole, it will probably cost about ~$30 in supplies.