Dat thread -- reading tp's "yo mama" post -- LMFAO!
That one seems to be pretty well controlled given the fact there was probably little grounds for tp4tissue to attack on.
At least he has stopped w/ the Topre bashing. It is probably because his argument used to be because of how it was priced (apparently you had to like it if you paid a lot for it) but with more Topre fans emerging because of the lower cost Topre keyboards (660c specifically) that is no longer a valid argument.
I think the ergodox is a great idea...but at the same time the reasons why I'm not getting it:
1. No Topre switches. Since I'd only get an ergodox for a work type machine where I use Topre and not Cherry, this would suck.
2. I have no issues w/ the current layout of keyboards. Thankfully I don't have any issues w/ my hands/fingers/wrists yet so I see no reason to change when I still have to deal w/ normal layouts regardless of having an ergodox at home.
I do recognize the better layout..the better ergonomics for your hands...the position of a lot of keys in the current standard layout is not great..it is just what we have..
Same reason why a lot don't switch to DVORAK or something similar..The layout is better but since you still have to live in a QWERTY world, you have to switch back and forth...and if you're happy w/ your speed on QWERTY, there just isn't a reason to switch...
He hasn't quite completely stopped the Topre bashing, he is now just picking deliberately on HHKB (when there's bazillion other keyboards he could be spamming his hatred on).
I don't quite agree about the pricing structure for a few reasons:
- Korean customs can cost just as much as HHKB, if not more.
- ErgoDox kit _alone_ can cost near that but because it was last available as a kit, getting ErgoDox made up so that it is like HHKB (as if one can purchase it in one piece and not bazillion) could cost similar to HHKB.
- Old school keyboards such as those based on buckling spring or old Cherry MX for instance such SSK, "kishsavers", etc. They can cost as much as HHKB if not more. Broken ones are generally an exception.
- As if to prove the point, μTron costs virtually double the amount of HHKB.
Then there are those Type Heaven when one wants a budget Topre board.
Surely he is now just nitpicking on HHKB in the very least but in heated/long winded arguments you can clearly see that he still loathes Topre.
ErgoDox for me would have been nice if one could purchase the complete board. I heard it was previously available on previous massdrop but the latest massdrop didn't seem to offer that service anymore. Right now I don't have any soldering equipment and I rather buy things as they were pre-built. It is not like one can never do up a bad ErgoDox which ruins their experience, this is why there is a market for pre-made stuff as well as those who loves to build them from kit. It is beyond me how one loves to make lopsided comparisons (like HHKB vs ErgoDox) when they are completely two different breeds altogether.
If one were serious about ergonomics, they wouldn't be investing in keyboard. They may just do away with voice dictation software. Alas voice dictation is still somewhat naive. Also augmented reality, keyboards that look like they were projected but instead seems to be floating in air. There is no need to worry about space, posture (as much) or even ideal hand positions. Surely a real ergonomic nut would think _any_ computer keyboard is really dated, let's not try and mull much about ErgoDox by then as it will take aim as being a relic device that spanned a few centuries only to be overcome by future technology. Like as said, there is also alpha grip which completely forgoes the design of almost every computer keyboard design currently out there.
That said, there are plenty of ways to "skin a cat". It is not like one cannot put on variable weights or actuations to lessen the burden of typing. Plenty of other designs that are tailored to make typing a less of a hassel exist. ErgoDox is not the only solution.
You CAN purchase a completed dox.. it was offered in the previous GB, and will likely be available completed in the upcoming GB..
All the reasons you can possibly think of to "not" purchase an ergodox are trivial....
A split keyboard, ergodox, or utron (topredox), has every advantage over standard rectangle boards..
There isn't a single PLUS on the side of the rectangle except nostalgia/ familiarity.. WHICH are both not readily useful.
I also do not single out hhkb... I am disappoint--- on ALL rectangular staggered qwerty one-piece boards...
