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Who got um'
« on: Thu, 11 September 2025, 12:55:39 »
U guys think a democrat did it?


Dark web seems to lean Dump did it to claireobscur the eptsn fillls.

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Re: Who got um'
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 11 September 2025, 14:04:28 »
Vance doesn't want any competition in the 2028 primaries.

With all the opposition that Trump/Vance has had lately, a martyr to rally around could have been quite timely.

That might sound cynical, but ... I have absolutely no belief that such an action would be beneath them.
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Re: Who got um'
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 11 September 2025, 15:40:32 »
I was just assuming that it was the son or grandson of any of the myriad people whose lives were crushed by any of many things the Republicans have done.

But chances are that it was a member of any of the groups or classes or races or religions (or lack thereof) that he railed against.


 
« Last Edit: Sat, 13 September 2025, 08:54:55 by fohat.digs »
“So, instead, all too many people try an untenable middle way -- sanctifying Trump and anyone in his inner circle while trying to maintain standards on everyone else. It simply can't work. When your leaders are hateful and nihilistic then your movement becomes hateful and nihilistic. ”
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Re: Who got um'
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 11 September 2025, 18:03:34 »
I’m concerned that my friends on the Left are guilty of making the same unsubstantiated claims that they accuse the Right of. It is probably not in the best interest of commonality and unity to pass on hearsay or cynical guesses that further stoke the heated rhetoric. Agree or disagree with Kirk’s positions, he was willing to dialog with all people in a polite and public setting. Unlike many anonymous cowards, he engaged publicly and peacefully, fully aware of the risk. I did not follow his movement closely, but if he was disrespectful in any public conversation, I must have missed it.

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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 11 September 2025, 18:19:40 »
He specifically stated gun deaths are acceptable as long as the 2nd Amendment is upheld, and not to mourn or show empathy towards victims.
Let us honor his request and stop talking about him.

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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 11 September 2025, 18:40:26 »
He specifically stated gun deaths are acceptable as long as the 2nd Amendment is upheld, and not to mourn or show empathy towards victims.
Let us honor his request and stop talking about him.
Could you cite that reference for me. I’ve never heard it.

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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 11 September 2025, 19:11:14 »
He specifically stated gun deaths are acceptable as long as the 2nd Amendment is upheld, and not to mourn or show empathy towards victims.
Let us honor his request and stop talking about him.
Could you cite that reference for me. I’ve never heard it.




'I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.'
 – Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023

'I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made -up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage.'

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« Reply #7 on: Thu, 11 September 2025, 23:05:34 »
Thank you for the citation.

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Re: Who got um'
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 12 September 2025, 10:58:33 »
"There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication, it’s a fiction, it’s not in the Constitution. It’s made up by secular humanists."
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 6 July 2022


US Constitution

Article VI
“ …. no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

First Amendment
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof .... "

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs
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“So, instead, all too many people try an untenable middle way -- sanctifying Trump and anyone in his inner circle while trying to maintain standards on everyone else. It simply can't work. When your leaders are hateful and nihilistic then your movement becomes hateful and nihilistic. ”
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Re: Who got um'
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 12 September 2025, 15:53:30 »
It seems pretty straight forward fa1s, e  flag attempt. The easily discoverable weapon, with trans promoting shells deliberately left in chamber.

There's pretty much no way you can spin that the "dude" himself was a leftist.  So this is probably the inner circle ordered by the top in attempt to start a violent civil war, or at least a distraction from, you know wha.

And they picked a dumb kid to do it, standard procedure.

And of course they bungle it.   Because they're not an exactly competent bunch.



If they hired professional CIA to do this, (darkweb revealed textbook) CIA would just burned down that kid's house with his family inside so there are no loose ends.  There are no human beings in geopolitics, only chess pieces.




The other darkweb theory
is that this whole thing was planned by K1 rk himself, similar to dv mp's faked a55sintn' .

The dumb kid was supposed to miss,  bungling the "original intent", leave the rifle to be discovered with pro-trans engraving.   

The fact that the 1-true-GOD, taking care of (harli is besides the point.


It doesn't make alot of sense to use that kind of rifle, and it's pretty hard to ensure hitting the target with the few bullets that he had, because that was never the intent.   The intent was to miss,  kr1k gets to pull a bloody ear moment, and spin the base.




So, now, they want to bury what really happened, and D  vm.p himself wants a "quick trial." you're guilty, end story.  See where this is going?

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Re: Who got um'
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 12 September 2025, 16:31:24 »
I’m concerned that my friends on the Left are guilty of making the same unsubstantiated claims that they accuse the Right of. It is probably not in the best interest of commonality and unity to pass on hearsay or cynical guesses that further stoke the heated rhetoric. Agree or disagree with Kirk’s positions, he was willing to dialog with all people in a polite and public setting. Unlike many anonymous cowards, he engaged publicly and peacefully, fully aware of the risk. I did not follow his movement closely, but if he was disrespectful in any public conversation, I must have missed it.

Kurploplo,  right wing ideology today is primarily centered around ra(i  st b1g, _otry.

You might think, hey TP4, Kurploplo is right wing, he's not a racist, he knows a black guy.  That's kurploplo, NOT the rit wing machinery/media propoganda.

There are no redeeming qualities to K r1k's,  he's pretty unapologetically straight up h8 spe(ch focused, as are the majority of today's righ7 wng content.


THAT SAID,  despite all that,  When Tp4 analyzes the Chess board,   Dona1d dvp  is still the best president for world peace, AT THE MOMENT.

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 12 September 2025, 16:46:30 »
It certainly smells fishy. Raised in a right-wing, gun-loving family, sure, probably not unusual in that part of the country.

Raised as a Republican (so was I) but changed his voter registration to "Independent" (so did I), and started paying more attention to politics ....

But after the shooting he went home to Mommy and Daddy? WTF? It seems to me that anybody with any sense of self-preservation would have made a beeline north to the Canadian border (or south to Mexico) and disappeared into the woods and off the grid for a couple of years.

Maybe he wanted to be the "New Luigi" - could that be  "a thing" ?


« Last Edit: Sat, 13 September 2025, 08:55:31 by fohat.digs »
“So, instead, all too many people try an untenable middle way -- sanctifying Trump and anyone in his inner circle while trying to maintain standards on everyone else. It simply can't work. When your leaders are hateful and nihilistic then your movement becomes hateful and nihilistic. ”
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Re: Who got um'
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 12 September 2025, 16:57:13 »
No, this was not a Lu1   gy.

He had no intention of being caught, or even properly searched after.

This was a setup, and he got cold feet.

(K1krs probably wasn't supposed to die,  he messed up.

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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 13 September 2025, 00:18:12 »
I think the guy apprehended was set up. I'm not saying that he didn't do it. I just believe he was someone taken advantage of, and manipulated into being there.
His father seemed to have made him give up, with the hope of escaping the death penalty.
But he'll be silenced one way or another... This smells like a "Lee Harvey Oswald" situation.

We've seen false flag insertions not long ago, used to justify using excessive force to silence protests.

This situation is going to be utilised to introduce new draconian laws, that will limit freedom of speech, believe me.

Raised as a Republican (so was I) but changed his voter registration to "Independent" (so did I), and started paying more attention to politics ....
I've never understood why you in the US would have to register your allegiance before voting. Isn't what you vote for supposed to be private?
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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 13 September 2025, 08:26:56 »

This situation is going to be utilised to introduce new draconian laws, that will limit freedom of speech, believe me.

I've never understood why you in the US would have to register your allegiance before voting.



Listening to Republicans claiming that most violence in this country is perpetrated by "leftists" would be laughable if MAGA did not hold all the power and lust so ardently to use it.

When the Constitution was written 1787 the distances were so great that it seemed that even a geographic area the size of a state would have trouble administering elections, and it would be essentially impossible for the entire nation.

States, and often counties, register voters and administer elections. Registering in a party is supposedly a function for "primary" elections.
“So, instead, all too many people try an untenable middle way -- sanctifying Trump and anyone in his inner circle while trying to maintain standards on everyone else. It simply can't work. When your leaders are hateful and nihilistic then your movement becomes hateful and nihilistic. ”
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Re: Who got um'
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 13 September 2025, 08:57:54 »
The stupidity here, is a Democrat person is 99% identical to a Republican person.

The only true differences appear when you compare the average demo/rep to the DEMO/REPU  RULING CLASS.


The rhetoric and upfront contention is designed to fool the idiot citizenry.  The ruling class is 100% identical. The party lines only segment tax blocks and minor family feuds. 

The drama deliberately wastes your energy, while they Steal From You, and send Your kids to War. .

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« Reply #16 on: Sun, 14 September 2025, 16:02:15 »
He specifically stated gun deaths are acceptable as long as the 2nd Amendment is upheld, and not to mourn or show empathy towards victims.
Let us honor his request and stop talking about him.
Could you cite that reference for me. I’ve never heard it.




'I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.'
 – Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023

'I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made -up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage.'

You forgot a few words and context in the quotes.

1st Quote:

“Yeah, it's a great question. Thank you. So, I'm a big Second Amendment fan but I think most politicians are cowards when it comes to defending why we have a Second Amendment. This is why I would not be a good politician, or maybe I would, I don't know, because I actually speak my mind.

The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. And if that talk scares you — "wow, that's radical, Charlie, I don't know about that" — well then, you have not really read any of the literature of our Founding Fathers. Number two, you've not read any 20th-century history. You're just living in Narnia. By the way, if you're actually living in Narnia, you would be wiser than wherever you're living, because C.S. Lewis was really smart. So I don't know what alternative universe you're living in. You just don't want to face reality that governments tend to get tyrannical and that if people need an ability to protect themselves and their communities and their families.

Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.

You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.

So then, how do you reduce? Very simple. People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings? I don't know. How did we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That's why. How did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of airports. How do we stop all the shootings at banks? We have armed guards outside of banks. How did we stop all the shootings at gun shows? Notice there's not a lot of mass shootings at gun shows, there's all these guns. Because everyone's armed. If our money and our sporting events and our airplanes have armed guards, why don't our children?”

2nd Quote:

On the quote about empathy, he is talking about Bill Clinton's politics in the 90's leaning heavily on the two words. He never says anything about not mourning or showing empathy towards shooting victims. Would love to see a reference on that one if you have it.

"Bill Clinton in the 1990s, it was all about empathy and sympathy. I can’t stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up new age term that does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy. That’s a separate topic for a different time.”

Empathy:
The ability to understand another person's experience from their perspective.
Kirk seemed to view this as excessively emotional and politically manipulative.

Sympathy:
A feeling of care and concern for another person's suffering.
Kirk viewed sympathy as less prone to political misuse.

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Re: Who got um'
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 14 September 2025, 16:56:19 »
And there it is Archdill, proof that Blue Maga is identical to RED Maga which is 99% of the left and 99% of the right.

The RED believes, BLUE, you guys are liars, you misquote, you don't do any research.

The BLUE believes, RED, you guys are liars, you misquote, you don't do any research.


They're both idiots, and they're both being manipulated into playing the Rich person's game where the left vs right spend their time fighting over a scrap of T-shirt between them, while the Rich watches and get away with mass murder and theft.

In the end , none of these things matter, because NO ONE wants to eat any vegetables.

EATING vegetables is the only thing that matters. Nothing else will save humanity from climate change.

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« Reply #18 on: Sun, 14 September 2025, 17:01:43 »
And there it is Archdill, proof that Blue Maga is identical to RED Maga which is 99% of the left and 99% of the right.

The RED believes, BLUE, you guys are liars, you misquote, you don't do any research.

The BLUE believes, RED, you guys are liars, you misquote, you don't do any research.


They're both idiots, and they're both being manipulated into playing the Rich person's game where the left vs right spend their time fighting over a scrap of T-shirt between them, while the Rich watches and get away with mass murder and theft.

In the end , none of these things matter, because NO ONE wants to eat any vegetables.

EATING vegetables is the only thing that matters. Nothing else will save humanity from climate change.


All of us are in our own echo chambers because of the last few years.

This has to change.

That is the only way to move forward. 
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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 14 September 2025, 17:14:26 »
Red maga and Blue maga have nearly 100% of things in common.

They eat disgusting carcinogenic meat, they pay rent, they're stolen from by the State.
 

The idiocy is in not realizing they have literally 0% in common with their "choice" of "red/blue leaders."


The only way forward for humanity is that Everyone starts the 100% Veggie journey, Nothing else in the world matters.

Politics/Economics/Culture, DOES NOT MATTER, they are merely the result of being alive.   

Eat vegetables, or else we're all screwed, all optionality in all domain will end unless we immediately go Veggie

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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 14 September 2025, 17:39:17 »
meanwhile there was a school shooting, an innocent man was murdered by ICE, and this happened:

But let's keep greasing the Kirk Wheels Of Distraction like the good little sheep you are

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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 14 September 2025, 17:46:48 »
meanwhile there was a school shooting, an innocent man was murdered by ICE, and this happened:

But let's keep greasing the Kirk Wheels Of Distraction like the good little sheep you are

Wait, I nicely added context to your quote without adding any name-calling or personal attacks. In return, you ignore what I say, bring up something completely different that you think I do not care about. Were you talking about the school shooting, or did I miss that part? Then you throw in "good little sheep you are". You refuse to have a talk, you refuse to see through your biased hatred of a man that you knew nothing about, other than quick little excerpts of misquotes.

Who is the sheep here?

EDIT: Just watched the clip. I don't watch Fox News. Go right now to the top 2 liberal and top two conservative news websites and look at the article titles. They just want division. I stick with Ground News, Newsworthy and AP.
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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 14 September 2025, 18:04:03 »
I was speaking broadly about the distraction-style news cycle who's news stories are owned controlled and dictated by private owners who pledge fealty to Trump and his mission of dismantling everything that made USA a great country. About how shocked I am on how easily distracted most people are over news that would otherwise be big stories for weeks, barely getting a mention over some racist podcaster.

It was not directed towards you personally at all.

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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 14 September 2025, 18:10:05 »
I was speaking broadly about the distraction-style news cycle who's news stories are owned controlled and dictated by private owners who pledge fealty to Trump and his mission of dismantling everything that made USA a great country. About how shocked I am on how easily distracted most people are over news that would otherwise be big stories for weeks, barely getting a mention over some racist podcaster.

It was not directed towards you personally at all.

Good to know, sorry that I thought it was!

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 14 September 2025, 18:32:04 »
check out this quote from Anti-Intellectualism in American Life (Hofstadter, 1964), from a discussion in a religious context but applicable here: 

"Extreme orthodoxy betrays by its very frenzy that the poison of skepticism has entered, for men insist most vehemently upon their certainties when their hold upon them has been shaken. Frantic orthodoxy is a method for obscuring doubt."
“So, instead, all too many people try an untenable middle way -- sanctifying Trump and anyone in his inner circle while trying to maintain standards on everyone else. It simply can't work. When your leaders are hateful and nihilistic then your movement becomes hateful and nihilistic. ”
~ David French

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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 14 September 2025, 19:07:22 »
check out this quote from Anti-Intellectualism in American Life (Hofstadter, 1964), from a discussion in a religious context but applicable here: 

"Extreme orthodoxy betrays by its very frenzy that the poison of skepticism has entered, for men insist most vehemently upon their certainties when their hold upon them has been shaken. Frantic orthodoxy is a method for obscuring doubt."


These things are all written in a context that is blind to ENERGY.

The writers have lofty-ungrounded ideas of Morality/ Religion, the why and how a person Should think  DETACHED from the constraints of biological boundaries.


For example, how do you define anti-intellectualism. 
Is it merely bigotry, deliberate ignorance, mean-ness, cruelty, psychopathy.

Well, all of these seemingly "mal-adaptive" behaviors/traits HAVE their place.  If you didn't have SOME baseline of bigotry, you could end up with too much trust. An adversary, or compatriot can TURN on you, not for any moral reason, but merely in response to random conditions, his house burned down, or someone's threatening his kneecaps from debt, and so he HAS TO steal from you.

The opposite would be true, Too much bigotry/psychopathy,  you can't make proper connections with other humans, you live a husk of a life in a drunken stupor.


Different traits all work together to balance the system.  There are no inherently bad traits.  Life systems are orchestral, not solos.


Writing which relies entirely on the author's own Determination of Morality / Culture fail absolutely, and are fundamentally myopic.



So, where are we at with the civilization.  BELTS will have to be tightened, across the board. IT's happening right now,  Anti-Liberalism will become a necessity, simply because we don't have time to argue, THE COST from the perspective of a Happy-Person today, will be perceived as Tyranny, but in actuality,  there is no other option, the Efficiency Curve demands it. 

We are Rapidly running out of Energy. That marks the return of Kings and brutal feudal systems.



Tp4,  I don't like Feudalism, I don't like to be oppressed, what can I do.

The mind is adaptive, the Antidote to unhappiness is delusion and myth.  People imagine or recall another life, and it's almost like they're living it.  If you read the dark novels / recollections of dire times,  people were able to find something similar to joy in the nothing they owned.



We can avert the entire Armageddon all together if people would just eat Vegetables, but unfortunately, Meat-sickness is very deep.

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Re: Who got um'
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 14 September 2025, 22:19:12 »

bigotry, deliberate ignorance, mean-ness, cruelty, psychopathy.

all of these seemingly "mal-adaptive" behaviors/traits HAVE their place.

There are no inherently bad traits.



I disagree.
“So, instead, all too many people try an untenable middle way -- sanctifying Trump and anyone in his inner circle while trying to maintain standards on everyone else. It simply can't work. When your leaders are hateful and nihilistic then your movement becomes hateful and nihilistic. ”
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Re: Who got um'
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 14 September 2025, 22:40:52 »

bigotry, deliberate ignorance, mean-ness, cruelty, psychopathy.

all of these seemingly "mal-adaptive" behaviors/traits HAVE their place.

There are no inherently bad traits.



I disagree.


Characteristic of Blue Maga, saying things without thinking about it.


LOYALTY has never mattered to you in the slightest because you grew up in an america of absolute abundance and you perceived no true survival responsibilities your whole life, nothing short of a major accident could've killed you.

This is not to say, Fohat was coddled by parents, he and and all of us have been CODDLED-by-Civilization (rapidly waning).

Loyalty is merely a lighter word for bigotry.


In an inconsequential system, you and your buddies, no big deal.

In a Heavy system,  everyone is trying to kill you and take your place,  BIGOTRY matters ALOT.

Irrational Loyalty is a critical component, and utilized to ensure the control mechanism stays in place furthering the survival of the group, not necessarily the whole group, soldiers are sent to die, but if they were disloyal, they would not die for the leadership.  Soldiers are routinely less intelligent /bigoted, and Highly_Irrationally_Loyal.   


There are no bad traits.  Everyone has a genetic destiny.

Everyone should eat Vegetables,   This is the most horrendous mistake.  Animal agriculture is the Holocaust^99999.