Do you smoke? If so, why did you think your life was going to be too long?

[ander]

Just curious.

I'm referring to tobacco, BTW.

[tp4tissue]

Smoking is cool ,  PERIOD..


There are practical benefits to smoking such as immediately heightened concentration and focus.

A large portion of people in high stress occupations smoke..

Lawyers, Politicians, CEOs, ..     OBAMA...


in the majority of these people who don't smoke, they drink lots of coffee which has roughly the same effect as smoking.

But you won't look as cool drinking coffee..





The drawback is cancer/emphysema

[Findecanor]

The premise behind the question is wrong. Drug addiction is not about logic. Nobody chooses to smoke. People get bullied into smoking, and they get addicted because they are exposed to second-hand smoke. Once they "start", they are already a bit addicted.
For instance, children of smokers are more likely to begin smoking than children of parents who do not smoke.

The only way to stop smoking is for us who not smoke to not allow second-hand smoke. Put the foot down and say "No. Smoking is not OK". There is no "considerate smoker" because if they were considerate, then they would not smoke.
You have to be hard about this. It is the only way. Stop seeing it as a "habit" and open your eyes for what it really is. -
 an addiction. Smokers are junkies just like heroin addicts and crack addicts, only with a less aggressive payload.
You can't reason with an addict - tough love is the only thing that works.

I am both delighted and appalled by the trend of vaping replacing smoking. It is good because there is no constant exhaust of nicotine-infused smoke.
But a lot of vapers somehow think it is OK to vape in non-smoking areas, which it is not. Vapers' exhalations still contain nicotine and various flavours that are not regulated (look up "popcorn lung" for an example). If we just exchange thin second-hand smoke outdoors with thick second-hand vape indoors, we have accomplished nothing in thwarting nicotine addiction from spreading.

[tp4tissue]

I don't think it's necessary to be so militant these days

Because seriously,  the number 1 and number 2 killer cancer and heart disease,  is due to eating beef/pork/chicken/fish..    That's EVERYONE..


If you want to be charged about something...  the bacon is killing you much more quickly than smokers..

[Findecanor]

Did you understand my post? The point was not about second-hand smoke giving people cancer and heart disease. The point was that second-hand smoke is creating new smokers.

Risk of cancer is about probabilities multiplied by lifestyle factors. When you have removed one factor, then you have only removed one factor. You still have probabilities from the other factors.
And for smokers, smoking is a huge factor. Most smokers die from heart disease, though - caused by smoking, which is a bigger factor for heart disease than what red meat is.

And yes, second-hand smoke can kill directly. Sudden infant death syndrome can be caused by the mother's smoking while the baby was in the womb. My own father choked to death.

[dgneo]

the edge is strong with op

[tp4tissue]

Did you understand my post? The point was not about second-hand smoke giving people cancer and heart disease. The point was that second-hand smoke is creating new smokers.

Risk of cancer is about probabilities multiplied by lifestyle factors. When you have removed one factor, then you have only removed one factor. You still have probabilities from the other factors.
And for smokers, smoking is a huge factor. Most smokers die from heart disease, though - caused by smoking, which is a bigger factor for heart disease than what red meat is.

And yes, second-hand smoke can kill directly. Sudden infant death syndrome can be caused by the mother's smoking while the baby was in the womb. My own father choked to death.

Findecanor, I know you mean well

But actually,  eating high fat diet in excess of 10% of total daily calories, be it from meat or plant oil,  is the root cause of heart disease.


There are large tibetan populations which smoke like crazy, many live to 70s and have lung cancer, but they don't have heart disease, not a single one of them, because they barely eat any animal products and don't have access to large quantities of refined oils..


Heart disease and smoking is not unrelated,  but the connection is small..

[fanpeople]

lol.

[SpAmRaY]

the edge is strong with op

More edge than a dcs spacebar.

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[Halverson]

the edge is strong with op

More edge than a dcs spacebar.

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Ima go light up my dcs space bar and haul hard

[Shapey Fiend]

I didn't start smoking until they banned it in bars when I was 23 or so. My friends were outside half the night chatting to people and I ended up following suit. It's a lot easier to chat when you don't have background music blaring and people clustered together with their day ones.

I've only ever dated one woman I didn't meet in a smoking area, and some of them weren't smokers. It's a social space!

Now I vape. It's okay but it's a bit like drinking light beer. Good tobacco, coffee and alcohol are a wonderful pleasure. It's a taste experience. I think it smells great, contrary to what a lot of people think.

What's with everybody being obsessed with extending their lifespan on here it's a constantly recurring theme on this board? I suppose my thinking is it's mostly down to your genes. Family on both sides had good longevity, particularly on my mothers side where everybody lived into their 90's, despite being smokers. I live a relatively healthy life but as I see it living past 80 is very hard work indeed. Whatever about your physical health living gets to be hard work. Growing old and remaining happy requires a very particular mindset and it isn't for everybody. Hell, it probably isn't that natural. That's why we're instinctively wired to not be a rock of common sense.

[tp4tissue]

What's with everybody being obsessed with extending their lifespan on here it's a constantly recurring theme on this board? I suppose my thinking is it's mostly down to your genes. Family on both sides had good longevity, particularly on my mothers side where everybody lived into their 90's, despite being smokers. I live a relatively healthy life but as I see it living past 80 is very hard work indeed. Whatever about your physical health living gets to be hard work. Growing old and remaining happy requires a very particular mindset and it isn't for everybody. Hell, it probably isn't that natural. That's why we're instinctively wired to not be a rock of common sense.

I don't think increase in total lifespan is the issue..

The issue is SUFFERING..

There is a good 10 years of it,  both on your own end, and to the detriment of your close family members,   Should you develop either heart disease/cancer/diabetes/dementia.


Those are the big ones that are now scientifically proven to be almost completely avoidable..



Dying is no problem.. just roll over..   but if you're on the ground, still alive , you can't get up, and people have to roll you around..   THAT is way worse..

[noisyturtle]

I've met smokers in their 90s who started in their teens. Everyone is different.

But ultimately older smokers are usually not in the greatest health.

I currently smoke a pack a week on the job just for something to get me away from my desk, and that was after quitting completely for about 5-6 years. Don't really get cravings on the weekends either, just at work. I think my brain now associates smoking with boring work so in some weird way it's been beneficial curbing the habit from increasing intake.

[tp4tissue]

I've met smokers in their 90s who started in their teens. Everyone is different.

That means little.


Everyone is more similar than they are different..  There are very few old-smokers for a reason .

[Findecanor]

I've met smokers in their 90s who started in their teens. Everyone is different.

I once had a teacher who was in his 70's and smoked and was healthy ... but he smoked a pipe only on Sunday afternoons or something like that.
My dad who smoked one or two packs a day got a laryngectomy at age 52 and had to breathe through a hole in the base of his neck for the rest of his life. His neck was red and sore - the upper part from radiation therapy that had failed to kill the cancer. The lower part from the adhesive of the air filter over his breathing hole. Because he could no longer clear his throat himself he had to clean it with an electric suction pump ten times every day - and I am not exaggerating. It was when he could not do it himself, relying on med-school pre-grads that let him down, that he choked and died. A smoker would have had to breathe normal air for ten minutes before my dad could be in the same room as the smoker without having to cough. They didn't care; smoking über alles.

[heedpantsnow]

I don't think everyone who smokes is bullied into smoking. People need to take more responsibility for their own decisions and vices.

I started smoking when I was about 12 because I saw people doing it outside the door of the mall and I wanted to know what it was all about. I smoked until about 16. I was stupid. I realized it, so I quit.

I think it's possible to eat too much fatty stuff but it's also possible to go off the other end and make yourself miserable eating like a rabbit. My in-laws are like that. They are crazy healthy, and complain about it incessantly. Why prolong a miserable life??

And TP, I hate to tell you that I've known thousands of Tibetans (and I even speak a bit of Amdo and Central), and I never once met one who didn't eat any meat. Pretty sure that's an urban legend.

[tp4tissue]

I don't think everyone who smokes is bullied into smoking. People need to take more responsibility for their own decisions and vices.

I started smoking when I was about 12 because I saw people doing it outside the door of the mall and I wanted to know what it was all about. I smoked until about 16. I was stupid. I realized it, so I quit.

I think it's possible to eat too much fatty stuff but it's also possible to go off the other end and make yourself miserable eating like a rabbit. My in-laws are like that. They are crazy healthy, and complain about it incessantly. Why prolong a miserable life??

And TP, I hate to tell you that I've known thousands of Tibetans (and I even speak a bit of Amdo and Central), and I never once met one who didn't eat any meat. Pretty sure that's an urban legend.

It's not about eating --Little-- meat..  daily intake of calories FROM FAT , as long as it's less than 10%  ,  You absolutely CANNOT develop coronary artery disease.. 

Which is the most typical heart killer in the Western developed world.


In rural china, they found the same trend in populations eating 5% calories from fat.

Okinawan japan,  ate 96% of calories from plants, No heart disease LONGEST living people on earth.

Modern day Okinawa hosts 14x KFCs..   as soon as they opened those,   All successive generations developed heart disease and colon cancer..


Modern day 7th day aventist california.. Same genetics as general american population ,   certain select groups of this population eats up to 100% calories from plants.   And they have significantly reduced rates of heart disease and colon cancer ..



Then there is the past 20 years of experimental data on heart patients who HAD open heart surgery..  done by esselstyn and ornish.. approximately 100 people total..

They've stuck to a 100% plant based diet with LESS than 10% calories from fats (plant fats)..   and they all survived from 15 to 20 years, all with NO successive cardiac events (chestpain, blockage, etc).


Typical heart disease patients post open heart surgery will continue to suffer cardiac events and their stent will reblock within 5 years, and they need yet another procedure..

[noisyturtle]

And just sheerly to play devil's advocate here, taking a smoke break can be fairly useful to giving a temporary boost to quick critical thinking. Having a cigarette just prior to a presentation or meeting and I don't think I am imagining that you are thinking slightly faster and with more clarity. And yes, it absolutely curbs appetite as well.

*seriously, don't smoke though, the side-effects far outweigh any short-term positives

[tp4tissue]

And just sheerly to play devil's advocate here, taking a smoke break can be fairly useful to giving a temporary boost to quick critical thinking. Having a cigarette just prior to a presentation or meeting and I don't think I am imagining that you are thinking slightly faster and with more clarity. And yes, it absolutely curbs appetite as well.

This doesn't work,  you have to be continuously smoking..

That increased attention and focus only lasts 15 to 20 minutes in routine smokers.



Your plan would only be effective for NON-smokers,  and his presentation would have to be less than 30 minutes tops.

[noisyturtle]

Yeah it lasts about half an hour, but that's all you need most of the time.

[ygor]

Dem. The title alone got a dude sliced up.

[xtrafrood]

The Off Topic zone is for immediate loading and unloading of dank memes only. There is no stopping in the On Topic zone.

[gnmar2723]

tl;dr

smoking is bad for you and those around you.

lots of other stuff is bad for you if you do it a lot.

don't do something a lot or else it might be bad.

[OfTheWild]

I smoked ~2 packs a day for 19 years. Quit 4 years ago and still crave it. I feel great.

Side note: My favorite American quote is "Quitting smoking is the same as quitting Heroin!" -people that have not quit smoking, or tried heroin.

[katushkin]

Nobody chooses to smoke.

I chose to start smoking.

[SBJ]

Used to smoke about 10 ciggies a day but I've quite them.
I used to spend time at work just smoking, I don't do that anymore and actually feel better about taking a break once in a while now.

tl;dr

smoking is bad for you and those around you.

lots of other stuff is bad for you if you do it a lot.

don't do something a lot or else it might be bad.

This.

[ANightOnCloudNine]

I absolutely hate smoking my parents smoke all the time, if I smell it I start getting dizzy and feel nauseous, my parents also make bull**** excuses for not quitting smoking, mom smokes half a pack a day, same with my dad.

[tp4tissue]

I smoked ~2 packs a day for 19 years. Quit 4 years ago and still crave it. I feel great.

Side note: My favorite American quote is "Quitting smoking is the same as quitting Heroin!" -people that have not quit smoking, or tried heroin.

Heroin is way way way worse..

we're talking about 8x as bad depending on the purity of the heroin..

[Findecanor]

I chose to start smoking.

Smokers tend to believe that, yes. It was most often the drug that made them "choose" to smoke. People are easily influenced when their brain chemistry has been altered.
That is why I claim that smokers can't properly reason about their addiction. If you are an addict, then you don't have free will. (some might argue that free will does not exist in the first place, but either way it doesn't change my point).

Then there are the occasional idiots who start smoking or using snuff anyway and get hooked afterwards.

Heroin is way way way worse..

The first time I read a claim that nicotine's is as addictive as heroin or cocaine, it was in a report from the domestic Medical Society of Doctors twenty-something years ago.
So, it is not a statement taken out of thin air ... but there might be newer research.

[tp4tissue]

I chose to start smoking.

Smokers tend to believe that, yes. It was most often the drug that made them "choose" to smoke. People are easily influenced when their brain chemistry has been altered.
That is why I claim that smokers can't properly reason about their addiction. If you are an addict, then you don't have free will. (some might argue that free will does not exist in the first place, but either way it doesn't change my point).

Then there are the occasional idiots who start smoking or using snuff anyway and get hooked afterwards.

Heroin is way way way worse..

The first time I read a claim that nicotine's is as addictive as heroin or cocaine, it was in a report from the domestic Medical Society of Doctors twenty-something years ago.
So, it is not a statement taken out of thin air ... but there might be newer research.

AS addictive isn't numerical..   But we do know that people successfully quit smoking somewhat often,   yet people quiting heroin has a 50% chance of relapse even after 5-20 years of quitting.


You NEVER QUIT heroin..  if you're on it,  that's pretty much it..  nothing else in life will be as interesting to you ever again.


With nicotine,  it's at least on par with sex..

Heroin is like sex times 5x to 8x..  in dopamine concentration..

[xtrafrood]

I blame both the 1969 draft and rations. I tried to stay away from second-hand smoke and whatever for years but once life really grabbed me by the McNuggets® there I was smoking a pack a day ($300/month 5yrs) just like my father. Thankfully numerous respiratory infections and vaping guided me away from cigarettes

[tp4tissue]

I blame both the 1969 draft and rations. I tried to stay away from second-hand smoke and whatever for years but once life really grabbed me by the McNuggets® there I was smoking a pack a day ($300/month 5yrs) just like my father. Thankfully numerous respiratory infections and vaping guided me away from cigarettes

Think of it this way,  at least you're not doing heroin..

[xtrafrood]

I blame both the 1969 draft and rations. I tried to stay away from second-hand smoke and whatever for years but once life really grabbed me by the McNuggets® there I was smoking a pack a day ($300/month 5yrs) just like my father. Thankfully numerous respiratory infections and vaping guided me away from cigarettes

Think of it this way,  at least you're not doing heroin..

If heroin had made it into the American's Vietnam rations I would be doing the heroin right now.

[tp4tissue]

I blame both the 1969 draft and rations. I tried to stay away from second-hand smoke and whatever for years but once life really grabbed me by the McNuggets® there I was smoking a pack a day ($300/month 5yrs) just like my father. Thankfully numerous respiratory infections and vaping guided me away from cigarettes

Think of it this way,  at least you're not doing heroin..

If heroin had made it into the American's Vietnam rations I would be doing the heroin right now.

csmertx  were in the Nam ?

[xtrafrood]

I blame both the 1969 draft and rations. I tried to stay away from second-hand smoke and whatever for years but once life really grabbed me by the McNuggets® there I was smoking a pack a day ($300/month 5yrs) just like my father. Thankfully numerous respiratory infections and vaping guided me away from cigarettes

Think of it this way,  at least you're not doing heroin..

If heroin had made it into the American's Vietnam rations I would be doing the heroin right now.

csmertx  were in the Nam ?

We often fall into the same habits as our parents or guardians. I started smoking cigarettes at 23 and my father started with the rations he recieved at 19.

[tp4tissue]

We often fall into the same habits as our parents or guardians. I started smoking cigarettes at 23 and my father started with the rations he recieved at 19.

Yea totes..    it's like when people say heartdisease/ diabetes/ breast cancer runs in the family..   It's because every generation of the family drinks milk, eat bacon, and KFC wh00t wh00t.

Sigh...

[noisyturtle]

In all honesty ciggs legitimately make you feel much worse than marijuana. Smoking only 4-5 ciggs a day I feel that much more the next morning than if I literally spend the entirety of the previous day smoking pot. With ciggs you can taste it in your lungs the next day, and I usually cough up black stuff after a day I have cigarettes. Never happens with marijuana.

[tp4tissue]

In all honesty ciggs legitimately make you feel much worse than marijuana. Smoking only 4-5 ciggs a day I feel that much more the next morning than if I literally spend the entirety of the previous day smoking pot. With ciggs you can taste it in your lungs the next day, and I usually cough up black stuff after a day I have cigarettes. Never happens with marijuana.

That has to do with method of ingestion ..  It has nothing to do with tobacco vs marijuana ..

I'm sure you've tried hookah.. you can do that for a week and not ever cough.

[RELLIK]

In all honesty ciggs legitimately make you feel much worse than marijuana. Smoking only 4-5 ciggs a day I feel that much more the next morning than if I literally spend the entirety of the previous day smoking pot. With ciggs you can taste it in your lungs the next day, and I usually cough up black stuff after a day I have cigarettes. Never happens with marijuana.

Is it tobacco or some junk pack from a variety store with all sorts added BS?

[noisyturtle]

Camel Turkish Royals

[Doluded]

Camel Turkish Royals

That's what I usually smoke. Moved over to Marlboro Silvers hoping it would help but I just end up smoking more cigs lol

[tp4tissue]

Camel Turkish Royals

That's what I usually smoke. Moved over to Marlboro Silvers hoping it would help but I just end up smoking more cigs lol

Marlboro red unfiltered..   


It's suppose to feel like you've been poisoned..   What you are feeling is correct !!

[Doluded]

Camel Turkish Royals

That's what I usually smoke. Moved over to Marlboro Silvers hoping it would help but I just end up smoking more cigs lol

Marlboro red unfiltered..   


It's suppose to feel like you've been poisoned..   What you are feeling is correct !!

I actually just take bong rips of my tobacco I take out of Reds

[tp4tissue]

Camel Turkish Royals

That's what I usually smoke. Moved over to Marlboro Silvers hoping it would help but I just end up smoking more cigs lol

Marlboro red unfiltered..   


It's suppose to feel like you've been poisoned..   What you are feeling is correct !!

I actually just take bong rips of my tobacco I take out of Reds

why?

u can get bags of tobacco for way cheaper than packs of reds. hahahaha

[Doluded]

Camel Turkish Royals

That's what I usually smoke. Moved over to Marlboro Silvers hoping it would help but I just end up smoking more cigs lol

Marlboro red unfiltered..   


It's suppose to feel like you've been poisoned..   What you are feeling is correct !!

I actually just take bong rips of my tobacco I take out of Reds

why?

u can get bags of tobacco for way cheaper than packs of reds. hahahaha

I'm kidding I don't do that at all. I had a friend who smoked a bowl of tobacco out of a bong and instantly threw up