Tp4 Monitor Shopping.

[JP]

No real need to find the perfect monitor if such a thing could exist. This quest is but a diversion to lead you astray. Our eyes deceive us. What you see is at best a limited view of reality which is filtered and condensed through our individual perceptions of reality. To see, truly, one must ascend into a new realm of existence, one which is intertwined with the subatomic levels of the fabric of space and time.

too much internal monologue while biking

You should not be here! Freedom, the open road. Escape while you can!

I went with a LG 38WK95-C a few months ago. Ultra wide 4lyfe (is this how the cool kids type these days?)

Did you calibrate? 

[tp4tissue]

You should not be here! Freedom, the open road. Escape while you can!

I went with a LG 38WK95-C a few months ago. Ultra wide 4lyfe (is this how the cool kids type these days?)

Did you calibrate? 

An uncalibrated Monitor is an Unhappy monitor.

Also, calibration probes are only $170-230.. If one already spent $1200 on the monitor,  seems logical that one would want to see its potential Maximized.

[JP]

An uncalibrated Monitor is an Unhappy monitor.

Also, calibration probes are only $170-230.. If one already spent $1200 on the monitor,  seems logical that one would want to see its potential Maximized.

What if the calibration probe isn't calibrated correctly or is defective?  I just don't know anymore and my head is spinning. Maybe two different calibration probes are necessary as a sanity check.

[Leslieann]

mmmm.... I can understand the Power supply argument if this was a 500watt gaming PC.

But in this case it's a ~100watt LCD..  Cheap power supplies sure, but given how little power it's pushing. If anything, I feel like the LEDs will wear out WAY before the drivers.

I was referring to monitor power supplies, I've seen multiples of them die.

It has nothing to do with how much power but how clean that power is, how good the caps are, is it properly cooled, etc... 10 watts, 100 watts, 500 watts, doesn't matter if it's garbage it's garbage.

By the way, these are still being used or recycled into the supply chain, I saw some just recently. These are why motherboard manufacturers make such a big deal about their capacitors.

[tp4tissue]

What if the calibration probe isn't calibrated correctly or is defective?  I just don't know anymore and my head is spinning. Maybe two different calibration probes are necessary as a sanity check.

Hahahaha, no,  X-rite has been in the biz for a LONG time.  Their probes are calibrated against professional meters that run $100,000.

Each meter is adjusted for its idiosyncrasies before packing.

There's the Colormunki Display, and i1 Display Pro..  Either one will work.  Tp4 recommends the m0ar expensive option, it has higher certification.

[tp4tissue]

I was referring to monitor power supplies, I've seen multiples of them die.

It has nothing to do with how much power but how clean that power is, how good the caps are, is it properly cooled, etc... 10 watts, 100 watts, 500 watts, doesn't matter if it's garbage it's garbage.

By the way, these are still being used or recycled into the supply chain, I saw some just recently. These are why motherboard manufacturers make such a big deal about their capacitors.

The capacitor plague is for the most part _over_.   They still make ghetto bad capacitors at the lowest price tier, this is true.

The primary reason I'm not so hung up on this, is because I KNOW for a fact that after ~5000 hours, these panels are spent. No matter how good the power supply is.

Alot of people watch their TVs well beyond the TV's useful age..  Tp4 would not do that.  If the panel can't perform at a certain lvl, that's an immediate write off.  There's no reason to watch movies on bad monitors,  you won't get the time back, so logically one should only watch movie @ the best quality, or Not at all.

[Belfong]

I did not calibrate but I maximize it by playing Division 2 in HDR. Very nice.

[Leslieann]

The primary reason I'm not so hung up on this, is because I KNOW for a fact that after ~5000 hours, these panels are spent. No matter how good the power supply is.

Alot of people watch their TVs well beyond the TV's useful age..  Tp4 would not do that.  If the panel can't perform at a certain lvl, that's an immediate write off.  There's no reason to watch movies on bad monitors,  you won't get the time back, so logically one should only watch movie @ the best quality, or Not at all.

Tp gonna Tp.

[xtrafrood]

The primary reason I'm not so hung up on this, is because I KNOW for a fact that after ~5000 hours, these panels are spent. No matter how good the power supply is.

Alot of people watch their TVs well beyond the TV's useful age..  Tp4 would not do that.  If the panel can't perform at a certain lvl, that's an immediate write off.  There's no reason to watch movies on bad monitors,  you won't get the time back, so logically one should only watch movie @ the best quality, or Not at all.

Tp gonna Tp.

^

[tp4tissue]

I did not calibrate but I maximize it by playing Division 2 in HDR. Very nice.

[Leslieann]

I think we should force TP to watch movies on one of my old HP screens...
CCFL tube with 23k hours, 25in, 1080p, horrendous controls, no HDR, no high refresh, massive bezels... And it's GLOSSY.


I would love to see him try calibrating it. )

[tp4tissue]

I think we should force TP to watch movies on one of my old HP screens...
CCFL tube with 23k hours, 25in, 1080p, horrendous controls, no HDR, no high refresh, massive bezels... And it's GLOSSY.


I would love to see him try calibrating it. )

It's probably lost alot of its Blue-gamut, so post calibration, it's going to be ~500:1 contrast ratio down from ~750:1..

Not awful, but it will be unpleasant..

[SBJ]

I never calibrate. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[JP]

I never calibrate. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

That's just what you want us to believe 

[tp4tissue]

I never calibrate. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

That's just what you want us to believe 

So, everyone was secratlee calibrating this whole time ?

[tp4tissue]

Bad News Everyone.

had calibrated the TV and done up all the tuning before giving it a close-eyed once-over examination.

The TV already has file menu burn ins, which means it's either not a new unit, or it may be a recycled unit made from a recycled panel.

I know it's not due to Tp4 usage, because the burned in image is in Russian.

Walmart sold Tp a bum Vizio.. 

Tp4 has ordered a replacement samsung 55inch curved 7300,  only $433 total after tax.

Sighh..

Depressed @ maximum..

So sad, might smoke a cigarette.

[JP]

Can you return the bum monitor? I think you should take a loan or sell a kidney and buy an expensive monitor 

[tp4tissue]

Can you return the bum monitor? I think you should take a loan or sell a kidney and buy an expensive monitor 

If you calibrate, mid-range monitors look as good (if not better) than out-of-the-box Expensive-monitors.

Not really willing to go more than $500,  because as you go up in price, the only difference in feature is (Brightness).  and in truth, brightness is NOT that important on a Calibrated set,  because the Contrast Ratio remains static.  For NON-calibrated sets, Brightness is very important, because the user then has to rely on the Native tone-mapping of the TV.

VA panels for example, which comprises of 90% of 4KHDR tvs,  they're all around 4000-6000:1 contrast regardless of their peak brightness.   Post calibration, they're all going to look more/less the same.

IMHO, no calibrated TV should be ran above ~300nit..   Highlight detail is already quite eye stinging at 300nit..   And if you do the math. @ 5000:1 contrast ratio,  The Blacks are at 0.06nit.   This is in the slightly glowing grey territory.  If you go any higher, it's no longer black, it's very grey

[xtrafrood]

Anti-Walmart propaganda?  I like where this thread has gone.  More please

[tp4tissue]

Anti-Walmart propaganda?  I like where this thread has gone.  More please

Cough..  already ordered 2 more samsungs from walmart.  Reason ? Clearly panel lottery is p00p from walmart, and they sell people used tvs as new.

[tp4tissue]

OKOKOKOK... what about 75 inch..  decent sets are only ~$1300ish, 

I have been holding out for 86"...  but it doesn't seem they're coming down any..

[fanpeople]

OKOKOKOK... what about 75 inch..  decent sets are only ~$1300ish, 

I have been holding out for 86"...  but it doesn't seem they're coming down any..

You could get like 5 clean hookers for that.

.... or like 26 questionable hookers.

[SBJ]

OKOKOKOK... what about 75 inch..  decent sets are only ~$1300ish, 

I have been holding out for 86"...  but it doesn't seem they're coming down any..

You could get like 5 clean hookers for that.

.... or like 26 questionable hookers.

I trust fanpeople. He seems like he's done the math.

[Leslieann]

Anti-Walmart propaganda?  I like where this thread has gone.  More please

]Cough..  already ordered 2 more samsungs from walmart.  Reason ? Clearly panel lottery is p00p from walmart, and they sell people used tvs as new.

Not just used, Walmart gets "special" models that have cut features, dead pixels, different plastics, etc...

Sometimes these models have the same part number as they do from other stores but are Walmart exclusives. Black Friday specials are even worse for this.

[tp4tissue]

Anti-Walmart propaganda?  I like where this thread has gone.  More please

]Cough..  already ordered 2 more samsungs from walmart.  Reason ? Clearly panel lottery is p00p from walmart, and they sell people used tvs as new.

Not just used, Walmart gets "special" models that have cut features, dead pixels, different plastics, etc...

Sometimes these models have the same part number as they do from other stores but are Walmart exclusives. Black Friday specials are even worse for this.

[tp4tissue]

Upon further research into how there's burn-in on a brand new Vizio TV.

Dis' what's happening.


IN ORDER to hit price points..  Vizio is using recycled FRONT- LCD array.

For example, old 60 inch tvs come in, The backlight and coating, and perhaps drive electronics are all worn out or broken, but the Liquid Crystal panel itself is FINE..

What they can do is, They can Remove the Front portion LCD from that old tv,  Attach New backlight , new coating,  Then assemble a new set using this recycled part.


Unfortunately for customers,  Stripped and Rebonded sets will not have nearly the Backlight Uniformity as the original.

It will also be at risk for anomalies that were not detected in Sorting the old set, SUCH AS burn-in.


How you can tell you've gotten a recycled set, well burn-in is the dead giveaway, but highly uneven backlight bleed/ clouding is also another indicator.


Bottom line,  Lottery's really bad with Vizio. Don't play


Callin' up Tp4 sources, apparently, this practice has been WIDE for a very long time.

How are Vizio/ Insignia/ Changhong/TCL tvs SOOoooooo cheep ?   Now we know.

Samsung certainly ALSO does this on their budget models.. It's not a brand exclusive practice. merely the world of ultra-budgets.

Walmart is certainly complicit, but of course they don't care, their job is to flip used tvs on the Poor and Ignorant



-//Tp4 Investigations
--//Report, Case of the Russian Ghost..

[JP]

Thanks for supporting green initiatives such as buying products made with recycled materials or other post-consumer content  This helps keep electronics from ending up in a landfill or in some third world country where a lot of e-waste ends up.

[tp4tissue]

Thanks for supporting green initiatives such as buying products made with recycled materials or other post-consumer content  This helps keep electronics from ending up in a landfill or in some third world country where a lot of e-waste ends up.

Except now the ewaste is going 2 mexico and back. usually partially loaded with heroin/fentanyl, but that's another story.

[JP]

Thanks for supporting green initiatives such as buying products made with recycled materials or other post-consumer content  This helps keep electronics from ending up in a landfill or in some third world country where a lot of e-waste ends up.

Except now the ewaste is going 2 mexico and back. usually partially loaded with heroin/fentanyl, but that's another story.

So you are supporting the drug trade now You might want to open the TV and check for stuff.

[tp4tissue]

So you are supporting the drug trade now You might want to open the TV and check for stuff.

Picked it up by myself, so it's too light to be stashn' sumtin'sumtin'

[Leslieann]

Thanks for supporting green initiatives such as buying products made with recycled materials or other post-consumer content  This helps keep electronics from ending up in a landfill or in some third world country where a lot of e-waste ends up.

I don't have a problem with it so long as they state up front that is is what they're doing.


Again, I hate monitor shopping.
It shouldn't be this difficult to find a good, reasonably priced screen and yet I've been happy with less than half of the screens I've bought over the years.

[tp4tissue]

Thanks for supporting green initiatives such as buying products made with recycled materials or other post-consumer content  This helps keep electronics from ending up in a landfill or in some third world country where a lot of e-waste ends up.

I don't have a problem with it so long as they state up front that is is what they're doing.


Again, I hate monitor shopping.
It shouldn't be this difficult to find a good, reasonably priced screen and yet I've been happy with less than half of the screens I've bought over the years.

I am very upset over the vizio using recycled panels.

[fanpeople]

Thanks for supporting green initiatives such as buying products made with recycled materials or other post-consumer content  This helps keep electronics from ending up in a landfill or in some third world country where a lot of e-waste ends up.

I don't have a problem with it so long as they state up front that is is what they're doing.


Again, I hate monitor shopping.
It shouldn't be this difficult to find a good, reasonably priced screen and yet I've been happy with less than half of the screens I've bought over the years.

I am very upset over the vizio using recycled panels.

You would not be upset if you got a hooker instead.

[tp4tissue]

You would not be upset if you got a ~~ instead.

Does she come with HDMI 2.1 and ULMB ? These are critical features.

[fanpeople]

You would not be upset if you got a ~~ instead.

Does she come with HDMI 2.1 and ULMB ? These are critical features.

No but she comes with gonorrhea. It is like having Australian internet speed, but in your body.

[tp4tissue]

No but she comes with g. It is like having Australian internet speed, but in your body.

Sometimes Tp4 wonders, does fanpeep talk like dis all the time, or has his speech been adulterated by stray neural net filter.

[fanpeople]

No but she comes with g. It is like having Australian internet speed, but in your body.

Sometimes Tp4 wonders, does fanpeep talk like dis all the time, or has his speech been adulterated by stray neural net filter.

The earth is flat.

[tp4tissue]

The earth is flat.

One of us.

[fanpeople]

The earth is flat.

One of us.

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[tp4tissue]

Received  Samsun 7300 curved..

So far,  not-impressed..

SRGB gamut clamped too narrow, not a big deal, but would've liked a wide gamut mode of sorts (as wide as the tv can give me)

PC mode accepts 444, but requires 60hz,  it will not do pc 444 on 23hz, which is dummm


In pc mode, I can not get the contrast ratio to 5300:1 as on Rtings.. IDK if they only quoted something from the other modes, but PC mode seems to peak at 4300:1  @ ~290cd brightness.


Double checked the panel, Definitely a new panel, not a recycle.. I'd imagine it'd be pretty hard to recycle a curved panel.

[tp4tissue]

Hrrrm... If you really look at it.. 4K isn't really that many pixels..

8K soon..

Looking forward to 8K bluray,  because right now, while we have 4K bluray, with 4:2:0, it only has 1080p color information

When we get 8K bluray, it wil have 4K color information.


I honestly don't see why they couldn't release 4:4:4 on 4K , there's enough bitrate, and most hardware can do it.

[tp4tissue]

Enjoying the Curves..

The image is much more accurate w/Curves due to the nature of VA-panel leakage.

The way LCDs work, contrast and colors drift when viewing from OFF angle due to light leakage.  Curving the sides inward focuses the Light obstructing properties of the LCD which minimizes leak.

This effect is pretty dramatic even though the TV is only slightly curved. 4.2m circle radius.

That said, this is a Tv for narcissists because it looks objectively worse for anyone but the guy in the center. However who watches tv with other people, that may be itself a disease, or at best a technical impracticality.


I think going forward TP4 will recommend ONLY curved VA-panels, to some extent, an aggressive curve may even make VA suitable for Photowork.

I believe samsung has the most aggressively curved Va monitor on the market.

[ArchDill]

I need to get a new monitor. I spent an hour coloring a video the other night on my external monitor. Once I was done I watched it on my MacBook Pro and it looked like crap. I now color on my MacBook.

[tp4tissue]

I need to get a new monitor. I spent an hour coloring a video the other night on my external monitor. Once I was done I watched it on my MacBook Pro and it looked like crap. I now color on my MacBook.

What software are you coloring on, and what do you use to calibrate.

[tp4tissue]

Damnit Samsung..

Discovered a Slight KINK, in the Samsung's brightness implementation.

So as you know, Backlights are NOT perfectly white or even neutral white. They are Blue-white. As you increase or decrease the brightness, If the LCD gains are the same,  the light will begin to have different color casts.

Samsung decided to tackle this problem, by implementing what appears to be a dynamic gains algorithm which scales with selected backlight lvl.

This sounds good and works to a degree.  But the algorithm is Not precise / repeatable, Which means it does not always land at the same crop number when brightness is changed..  This increases the delta-e because the output is now fundamentally unstable.

The deviation is not a huge problem for Movie watching, but you wouldn't do ur color work on this tv, hahaha.


This is overall GOOD for people that want the APPLE experience..  But for Precision enthusiast,  this is Meep..

[Leslieann]

The deviation is not a huge problem for Movie watching, but you wouldn't do ur color work on this tv, hahaha.

Probably because it's a TV and not a monitor, imagine that.

[tp4tissue]

also, the tv doesn't seem to go to sleep on its own.  there's a menu option, but it says 4Hours..  WTH samsung.. how hard is this

[fanpeople]

What did people say earlier in this thread.

Maybe you should take peoples advice, tissue.

[tp4tissue]

Today, Tp4 measured up the -Other- Samsung flat version ..

WTH..  it only measures 2800:1 contrast vs the 4200:1 on the curved.


rTing reviewed both as having 5200:1,  NOTTTT...  Don'ever trust Walmart

I mean,, It seems like samsung puts VASTLY different panels into their lower end tvs..

If this was someone else, there's no way they'd know what they were getting..   Pretty BS..

U couldn't trick Tp4,  but this is shocking.

[Lanrefni]

Today, Tp4 measured up the -Other- Samsung flat version ..

WTH..  it only measures 2800:1 contrast vs the 4200:1 on the curved.


rTing reviewed both as having 5200:1,  NOTTTT...  Don'ever trust Walmart

I mean,, It seems like samsung puts VASTLY different panels into their lower end tvs..

If this was someone else, there's no way they'd know what they were getting..   Pretty BS..

U couldn't trick Tp4,  but this is shocking.

It's called market segmentation,and if look closely at the model numbers on those Walmart tv's you will find that they are usually not the same model numbers as what Best Buy/Amazon/et al have as this allows them to claim same model price matching all while knowing they are the only ones carrying that precise model number and won't have to price match it.