Tp4 Monitor Shopping.

[tp4tissue]

Update::

Received  Samsun 7300 curved..

So far,  not-impressed..

SRGB gamut clamped too narrow, not a big deal, but would've liked a wide gamut mode of sorts (as wide as the tv can give me), roku tvs have it, why can't samsun

PC mode accepts 444, but requires 60hz,  it will not do pc 444 on 23hz, which is dummm


In pc mode, I can not get the contrast ratio to 5300:1 as on Rtings.. IDK if they only quoted something from the other modes, but PC mode seems to peak at 4300:1  @ ~290cd brightness. No access to 20point gamma in pc mode.


Double checked the panel, Definitely a new panel, not a recycle.. I'd imagine it'd be pretty hard to recycle a curved panel.






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Bad News Everyone.

had calibrated the TV and done up all the tuning before giving it a close-eyed once-over examination.

The TV already has file menu burn ins, which means it's either not a new unit, or it may be a recycled unit made from a recycled panel.

I know it's not due to Tp4 usage, because the burned in image is in Russian.

Walmart sold Tp a bum Vizio.. 

Tp4 has ordered a replacement samsung 55inch curved 7300,  only $433 total after tax.

Sighh..

Depressed @ maximum..

So sad, might smoke a cigarette.






Upon further research into how there's burn-in on a brand new Vizio TV.

Dis' what's happening.


IN ORDER to hit price points..  Vizio is using recycled FRONT- LCD array.

For example, old 60 inch tvs come in, The backlight and coating, and perhaps drive electronics are all worn out or broken, but the Liquid Crystal panel itself is FINE..

What they can do is, They can Remove the Front portion LCD from that old tv,  Attach New backlight , new coating,  Then assemble a new set using this recycled part.


Unfortunately for customers,  Stripped and Rebonded sets will not have nearly the Backlight Uniformity as the original.

It will also be at risk for anomalies that were not detected in Sorting the old set, SUCH AS burn-in.


How you can tell you've gotten a recycled set, well burn-in is the dead giveaway, but highly uneven backlight bleed/ clouding is also another indicator.


Bottom line,  Lottery's really bad with Vizio. Don't play


Callin' up Tp4 sources, apparently, this practice has been WIDE for a very long time.

How are Vizio/ Insignia/ Changhong/TCL tvs SOOoooooo cheep ?   Now we know.

Samsung certainly ALSO does this on their budget models.. It's not a brand exclusive practice. But this is the world of ultra-budgets.






Tp4 knows SO MUCH about monitors.

He is paralyzed and Doesn't know what to buy (for Himself)... Everything looks just a-Little Wrong, there's always some flaw...

NE1 got any ideas towards solving this problem ?

[noisyturtle]

I'll trade you the 720p monitor I've been using since 2011 for your old one you are about to get rid of that's undoubtedly still better than my piece of ****.

[JP]

Close your eyes and the flaws somehow vanish.

[tp4tissue]

Close your eyes and the flaws somehow vanish.

Blind date, xcept w/ monitors..  hrm.. Tp4 will fail @ anything along the concept of date though.

I'll trade you the 720p monitor I've been using since 2011 for your old one you are about to get rid of that's undoubtedly still better than my piece of ****.

My old one is indeed better, but it's blown up recently, and the cost to fix it greatly exceeds getting a new monitor.

Dell 3008wfp

[Leslieann]

You spoiled yourself with your fancy calibrations tools and such.
My advice, pick a size and get as close on all the features you want as you can within reason (without spending far too much money) then call it a day. Don't calibrate it, don't even check it with your calibration tool unless you are doing professional work with it, just use it.

All this knowledge and fiddling around has only made you far too much of a perfectionist on something that actually does very little for you other than driving up your cost and expectations.

[tp4tissue]

You spoiled yourself with your fancy calibrations tools and such.
My advice, pick a size and get as close on all the features you want as you can within reason (without spending far too much money) then call it a day. Don't calibrate it, don't even check it with your calibration tool unless you are doing professional work with it, just use it.

All this knowledge and fiddling around has only made you far too much of a perfectionist on something that actually does very little for you other than driving up your cost and expectations.

This post gave me Chest Pain..

[SpAmRaY]

Get that 49" curved.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

[tp4tissue]

Get that 49" curved.

But Tp4 watches lots of 16:9 movies

[lightsout714]

You spoiled yourself with your fancy calibrations tools and such.
My advice, pick a size and get as close on all the features you want as you can within reason (without spending far too much money) then call it a day. Don't calibrate it, don't even check it with your calibration tool unless you are doing professional work with it, just use it.

All this knowledge and fiddling around has only made you far too much of a perfectionist on something that actually does very little for you other than driving up your cost and expectations.

Lol not on this site.

[xtrafrood]

dual CRTs

[Leslieann]

You spoiled yourself with your fancy calibrations tools and such.
My advice, pick a size and get as close on all the features you want as you can within reason (without spending far too much money) then call it a day. Don't calibrate it, don't even check it with your calibration tool unless you are doing professional work with it, just use it.

All this knowledge and fiddling around has only made you far too much of a perfectionist on something that actually does very little for you other than driving up your cost and expectations.

Lol not on this site.

While there are similarities, keyboards are relatively simple and cheap, and if what you want doesn't exist with some effort and maybe some help from the community you can build your own keyboard from scratch. This happens in many hobbies/sports and often leads to people building their own things from bicycles to race cars.

None of this is true for monitors.
You aren't going to add Gsync or a complete color gamut to an older monitor with some soldering or even electronics knowledge.

[tp4tissue]

None of this is true for monitors.
You aren't going to add Gsync or a complete color gamut to an older monitor with some soldering or even electronics knowledge.

Welllll... technically , I've already done this on an old ips, I replaced the broken florescent tube with a Wide Gamut tube..  (most of the gamut doesn't come from the different tubes though)

It doesn't have the Red phosphorous for TRUE wide gamut,  but the gamut was definitely Wider than the Old lamp.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

dual CRTs

yes

and then degauss them both at the same time for ultimate colors

[tp4tissue]

and then degauss them both at the same time for ultimate colors

I would consider dual CRT for winter,  but way too warm now.

[Sintpinty]

I'll trade you the 720p monitor I've been using since 2011 for your old one you are about to get rid of that's undoubtedly still better than my piece of ****.

Please i need an extra monitor to view discord. Would appreciate a square monitor tbh

[tp4tissue]

Please i need an extra monitor to view discord. Would appreciate a square monitor tbh

U can find used 5:4 1280x1024 monitors for ~$10-20 @ thrift store/ pawn shop, recycler stores.

[tp4tissue]

Trying to decide.. Wait until END of Summer to buy new monitor/tv,   OR buy it now.

Summer, Tp4 will mostly be using a different PC than the one where this monitor broke. Not urgent.

That said... Costco = temptations.

[Belfong]

I agree. It’s not easy to shop for a monitor these days. When I was shopping for mine, USB-C was a requirement I had. That made it almost impossible to shop for any! Good luck to you.

[tp4tissue]

I agree. It’s not easy to shop for a monitor these days. When I was shopping for mine, USB-C was a requirement I had. That made it almost impossible to shop for any! Good luck to you.

what are you connecting to usbc

[fanpeople]

I agree. It’s not easy to shop for a monitor these days. When I was shopping for mine, USB-C was a requirement I had. That made it almost impossible to shop for any! Good luck to you.

what are you connecting to usbc

It is a pron thing.

[Belfong]

I agree. It’s not easy to shop for a monitor these days. When I was shopping for mine, USB-C was a requirement I had. That made it almost impossible to shop for any! Good luck to you.

what are you connecting to usbc

I bring my work-issues MacBook Pro back home. So I do want to connect the MacBook to the monitor to charge and to display it at the same time (docking mode). And if I’m not using the Mac, the monitor connects to the PC for gaming.

[azhdar]

Just get this one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824160376

[tp4tissue]

Just get this one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824160376

y u so rich azhdar, how much drug u haz sell to buy dis " ?

AOC is the defacto brand out of taiwan. It's like the samsung, of taiwan

[azhdar]

I do lines. That's how I pay for ****.
But not drug related.

[tp4tissue]

I do lines. That's how I pay for ****.
But not drug related.

I read somewhere, someone can be a professional placeholder for long queues (lines). I think it pays minimum wage, but you could do all ur book stuff while being paid w/ near 0 responsibility

[azhdar]

ye but you have to **** yourself for some of those queues.
I don't do this.

[Leslieann]

I agree. It’s not easy to shop for a monitor these days. When I was shopping for mine, USB-C was a requirement I had. That made it almost impossible to shop for any! Good luck to you.

I'll third this.

I could have gotten everything I wanted for about $200, but just adding 1440p tripled the price.


Only thing worse than monitor shopping is KVM shopping.

[pr0ximity]

Only thing worse than monitor shopping is KVM shopping.

QFT

Would be curious what you (or others) went with for a 1440p monitor, as well as a decent HDMI KVM switch.

[tp4tissue]

Only thing worse than monitor shopping is KVM shopping.

QFT

Would be curious what you (or others) went with for a 1440p monitor, as well as a decent HDMI KVM switch.

for high refresh 1440 is the necessary compromise, but other than for g4m3r , 4K is cheaper.

[Leslieann]

Only thing worse than monitor shopping is KVM shopping.

QFT

Would be curious what you (or others) went with for a 1440p monitor, as well as a decent HDMI KVM switch.

I have a cheap but decent 4 port with USB, sound and VGA. Even  that was on closeout for nearly $100 at the time.

Mine had in keyboard switching, you hit a certain key or combo and it switched over, this was great until you start using smaller keyboards that were missing those keys and the fact that the key combo was different in Windows, Linux and Mac (I have all 3). It also needed a special driver/app in Windows if you wanted better control, which would crash. It also disliked attaching a USB hub, only had USB 1.0 throughput, and if you disconnected the machine it was switched to the keyboard would go dead and not allow you to switch. These problems became a major issue when I had the KVM in the basement with my servers/desktop and my office upstairs. I'd hook in a customer system, switch to it and forget to switch back, disconnect aaaand the KVM would stop functioning until I went down stairs and up on a ladder to manually switch it to an actual machine. Even reconnecting the one I removed wouldn't work.

As bad as this sounds, it was better than the in monitor switching on my old monitors.
You hit menu, navigate to port switching (which was slow and several clicks), select it, then the monitor would scan all of the ports looking for connections before switching over. However, if the system was booting, you connected the wrong port or it was not sending a signal that port the monitor would scan all the ports at 1-2 seconds each, then do it a second time, then go to sleep , which it would display for a few seconds. During all of this, all buttons were ignored and once asleep it would go idle for 5 seconds, then powering on took 2 seconds and guess what it did... It immediately started another port scan. The latter of this could be avoided if you set a default port, if nothing was found it simply reverts to the default. However, if you are working on another system and it reboots it would automatically revert back to default at the first flicker of signal loss. Not good if you need to see the Bios boot screen. That wasn't the only problems these screens had, but at least that could be chalked up to being a defect, this was programmed to be this way. Compare this to my Dells where I can program the buttons to fast switch to a different port with a single press...

I've since ditched the KVM (now that I'm free of those monitors), for the number of systems I work on it was cheaper and easier to just get use a combination of remote networking and built in port switching on the monitor, along with a spare mouse and keyboard. When it's easier and cheaper to buy a used monitor, a bunch of dongles, extensions, mice and mechanical keyboards than a KVM, you've seriously failed in your product design.

[xtrafrood]

Only thing worse than monitor shopping is KVM shopping.

QFT

Would be curious what you (or others) went with for a 1440p monitor, as well as a decent HDMI KVM switch.

I have a cheap but decent 4 port with USB, sound and VGA. Even  that was on closeout for nearly $100 at the time.

Mine had in keyboard switching, you hit a certain key or combo and it switched over, this was great until you start using smaller keyboards that were missing those keys and the fact that the key combo was different in Windows, Linux and Mac (I have all 3). It also needed a special driver/app in Windows if you wanted better control, which would crash. It also disliked attaching a USB hub, only had USB 1.0 throughput, and if you disconnected the machine it was switched to the keyboard would go dead and not allow you to switch. These problems became a major issue when I had the KVM in the basement with my servers/desktop and my office upstairs. I'd hook in a customer system, switch to it and forget to switch back, disconnect aaaand the KVM would stop functioning until I went down stairs and up on a ladder to manually switch it to an actual machine. Even reconnecting the one I removed wouldn't work.

As bad as this sounds, it was better than the in monitor switching on my old monitors.
You hit menu, navigate to port switching (which was slow and several clicks), select it, then the monitor would scan all of the ports looking for connections before switching over. However, if the system was booting, you connected the wrong port or it was not sending a signal that port the monitor would scan all the ports at 1-2 seconds each, then do it a second time, then go to sleep , which it would display for a few seconds. During all of this, all buttons were ignored and once asleep it would go idle for 5 seconds, then powering on took 2 seconds and guess what it did... It immediately started another port scan. The latter of this could be avoided if you set a default port, if nothing was found it simply reverts to the default. However, if you are working on another system and it reboots it would automatically revert back to default at the first flicker of signal loss. Not good if you need to see the Bios boot screen. That wasn't the only problems these screens had, but at least that could be chalked up to being a defect, this was programmed to be this way. Compare this to my Dells where I can program the buttons to fast switch to a different port with a single press...

I've since ditched the KVM (now that I'm free of those monitors), for the number of systems I work on it was cheaper and easier to just get use a combination of remote networking and built in port switching on the monitor, along with a spare mouse and keyboard. When it's easier and cheaper to buy a used monitor, a bunch of dongles, extensions, mice and mechanical keyboards than a KVM, you've seriously failed in your product design.

I'd be interested in your thoughts about the Level 1 Techs KVMs https://store.level1techs.com/?category=Hardware.  Seems as though Level 1 Techs is the go to for all things pass-through

[tp4tissue]

The cost of good kvm is the same as ANOTHER set of keeb+ mouse.

[Leslieann]

I'd be interested in your thoughts about the Level 1 Techs KVMs https://store.level1techs.com/?category=Hardware.  Seems as though Level 1 Techs is the go to for all things pass-through

I've heard really good things about them and while their prices are really good for what they are, that price still hurts for non enterprise users.

The cost of good kvm is the same as ANOTHER set of keeb+ mouse.

Don't forget most don't come with cables, which are $30-$60 per system.

In the case of Level 1 that means the 4 port single monitor version with all cables is just shy of $600 and the dual monitor version cresting $900.

[xtrafrood]

I'd be interested in your thoughts about the Level 1 Techs KVMs https://store.level1techs.com/?category=Hardware.  Seems as though Level 1 Techs is the go to for all things pass-through

I've heard really good things about them and while their prices are really good for what they are, that price still hurts for non enterprise users.

The cost of good kvm is the same as ANOTHER set of keeb+ mouse.

Don't forget most don't come with cables, which are $30-$60 per system.

In the case of Level 1 that means the 4 port single monitor version with all cables is just shy of $600 and the dual monitor version cresting $900.

Forgot about the cables phew.  I'd rather use KVM instead of a KVM, but it's interesting tech nonetheless.

[tp4tissue]

Don't forget most don't come with cables, which are $30-$60 per system.

In the case of Level 1 that means the 4 port single monitor version with all cables is just shy of $600 and the dual monitor version cresting $900.

KVM also adds unpredictability to monitor signal.  It's suppose to be equal, but often it's not, and monitor calibrations become unreliable.

[noisyturtle]

I think tp is way WAY over thinking what should be a simple purchase.

[tp4tissue]

I think tp is way WAY over thinking what should be a simple purchase.

U r not thinking @ the correct lvl Nturtle.

Tp4 watches 16:9 and 2:1 aspect ratio movies stretched to 4:3,  BECAUSE, he doesn't want the phosphors to wear unevenly..

[noisyturtle]

I think tp is way WAY over thinking what should be a simple purchase.

U r not thinking @ the correct lvl Nturtle.

Tp4 watches 16:9 and 2:1 aspect ratio movies stretched to 4:3,  BECAUSE, he doesn't want the phosphors to wear unevenly..

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ahh, just grab a 4:3 720p monitor from the thrift store for like $10 it does the same thing.

[Leslieann]

I think tp is way WAY over thinking what should be a simple purchase.

I agree to a point but it really depends on what you're after and your budget, it's really easy to blow a truckload of money on a screen.

It's one of the worst computer items to shop for since almost all are white label offerings, this one is missing a port, that one has internal speakers, but underneath they are often the exact same product with a different label and price tag.

[fanpeople]

Best monitor, lace monitor.

[tp4tissue]

Bough a monitor.

Saw @ wallywurl, $349+tax,  $374 out the door.

vizio 60" , 4K , supports 444,



Was actually looking at the 40 inch, but it was $230,  so (60/40)^2 = 2.25

Which means, the 60 inch is 2.25x the display Area of the 40 inch, but only 1.52x the cost..   TP4 save bux... !!

[xtrafrood]

Iunno

[tp4tissue]

Iunno

But tpMath says dis' haz the m0ar  Screen-Area / $Bux$  Ratio..

Gotta get some RowdyMath up'n'here to corroborate.

60 inch comes out to, 1538.28 inch square, 4.1 in^2           per $1
40 inch comes out to, 683.68 inch square, only 2.78 in^2    per $1

[Leslieann]

After all that you ignored quality and went for a big, cheap screen.

By Vizio.



*facepalm*

[tp4tissue]

After all that you ignored quality and went for a big, cheap screen.

By Vizio.

*facepalm*

Hahahahaha.. But there's no such thing as Quality-Quality in the < $1000 price range.

They're pretty much all the same guts with slight variation in image processor/ backlight.

Which doesn't matter post calibration, because the HTPC takes over all of that.



In my opinion, the only quality-quality lcd starts at $1200 Eizo.  Everything else uses the same crummy panels w/ generic image processors.

[Leslieann]

There may be few screens, but screens are binned just like processors.
Spectre was known for buying the panels others would not, which is why they were cheaper and also why Samsung and LG tend to cost more.

More importantly though that doesn't account for other things such as crappy electronics and power supplies. Of all the systems I work on I can't remember ever seeing the actual panel fail (maaaybe once). It's always the electronics, which is precisely where they will save money on a screen like you got. It also doesn't take into account stand/vesa mount, garbage UI and horrible button placement and more.

[tp4tissue]

mmmm.... I can understand the Power supply argument if this was a 500watt gaming PC.

But in this case it's a ~100watt LCD..  Cheap power supplies sure, but given how little power it's pushing. If anything, I feel like the LEDs will wear out WAY before the drivers.

[JP]

No real need to find the perfect monitor if such a thing could exist. This quest is but a diversion to lead you astray. Our eyes deceive us. What you see is at best a limited view of reality which is filtered and condensed through our individual perceptions of reality. To see, truly, one must ascend into a new realm of existence, one which is intertwined with the subatomic levels of the fabric of space and time.

[Sniping]

No real need to find the perfect monitor if such a thing could exist. This quest is but a diversion to lead you astray. Our eyes deceive us. What you see is at best a limited view of reality which is filtered and condensed through our individual perceptions of reality. To see, truly, one must ascend into a new realm of existence, one which is intertwined with the subatomic levels of the fabric of space and time.

too much internal monologue while biking

[Belfong]

I went with a LG 38WK95-C a few months ago. Ultra wide 4lyfe (is this how the cool kids type these days?)