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Offline Prelim

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Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 05:44:06 »
Hi linear GH fellows!

vintage blacks VS retooled VS gaterons VS switch mods VS lube VS etc... what's your best achieved combo?

(please describe the switch and lube reference/mix used)
« Last Edit: Wed, 14 August 2019, 18:20:21 by Prelim »
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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smothness
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 07:03:47 »
So far Gateron Ink Black, lubed. Healios are very similar (with a slightly different sound). These both above Gat Yellow, Kailh Box Dark Yellow / Black, and again these above retooled Cherry Blacks.
Once lubed the difference is subtle to non existent (this excludes the Box switches of course). The Gat Ink Blacks start by being the smoothest.

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smothness
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 09:02:11 »
Just looking at smoothness tealios are the smoothest, but sound worse than inks

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smothness
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 09:11:14 »
Smoothest I've tried so far is Adomax Flaretech. Stock, even.

Forget about the ****ing lube. If you have to lube it, it's ****e :p .
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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smothness
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:42:32 »
Smoothest I've tried so far is Adomax Flaretech. Stock, even.

Forget about the ****ing lube. If you have to lube it, it's ****e .
doubt...
But then again, I've only tried cherry and gats. Lube makes a huge difference in both. And I'm not even using krytox

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smothness
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:28:29 »
Tealios and Adomax Flaretech are the smoothest switches I've tried so far and are very closely matched, based on my short comparison of both; at worst Flaretech is only slightly smoother than stock Tealios.

Tealios being a contact based switches yet still matching a contactless switches in itself is indicative of its smoothness really. Plus both have a similar feeling (edit: and sound) as well, probably due to the heavy usage of polycarbonate in their construction, though I could not scientifically back that statement.
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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smothness
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:31:21 »
Best linear combo i so far have tried is putting a Gateron Yellow stem and spring into a cherry housing with krytox. that sounded like heaven to type on with my Filco MJ2.
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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 20:07:35 »
To be honest smoothness was never an issue for me for linears.  Finding the perfect weight is hard.

I started with Cherry MX Red then eventually find it too light then tried MX Black and find it too hard.

I'm currently on Gateron Yellow and it's getting close but still a tiny bit too light, next up I might try Gateron Black.

Does anyone here have any experience regarding Cherry MX Nature White vs Gateron Black?

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 15 August 2019, 02:57:30 »
Does anyone here have any experience regarding Cherry MX Nature White vs Gateron Black?
I have both, the Nature Whites are closer to Blacks than Reds, but still a happy medium between them. Nature Whites are a bit scratchy due to the Cherry stem, i suppose one could swap a Gateron stem in there for smoothness.. Apart from that they are very pleasing in use but again im a Gat Ink / Tealios user so i might be biased.

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smothness
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 15 August 2019, 03:37:47 »
Tealios and Adomax Flaretech are the smoothest switches I've tried so far and are very closely matched, based on my short comparison of both; at worst Flaretech is only slightly smoother than stock Tealios.

Tealios being a contact based switches yet still matching a contactless switches in itself is indicative of its smoothness really. Plus both have a similar feeling as well, probably due to the heavy usage of polycarbonate in their construction, though I could not scientifically back that statement.

Where do you buy Adomax Flaretech?

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smothness
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 15 August 2019, 04:17:49 »
Where do you buy Adomax Flaretech?
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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smothness
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 15 August 2019, 04:23:43 »
Smoothest I've tried so far is Adomax Flaretech. Stock, even.

Forget about the ****ing lube. If you have to lube it, it's ****e .
doubt...
But then again, I've only tried cherry and gats. Lube makes a huge difference in both. And I'm not even using krytox
If you need lube, it's inherently a **** design, because lubricant will always have more friction than an inherently frictionless design.

Besides, let's be honest, a good switch shouldn't need so much work to make it good, if you can buy it brand-new. Factory-lubed switches deserve a bit more sympathy but ultimately a contact-based design will never be able to compete with a GOOD contactless design in terms of smoothness. 
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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smothness
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 15 August 2019, 06:56:49 »
Tealios and Adomax Flaretech are the smoothest switches I've tried so far and are very closely matched, based on my short comparison of both; at worst Flaretech is only slightly smoother than stock Tealios.

Tealios being a contact based switches yet still matching a contactless switches in itself is indicative of its smoothness really. Plus both have a similar feeling as well, probably due to the heavy usage of polycarbonate in their construction, though I could not scientifically back that statement.

Where do you buy Adomax Flaretech?
Sorry for poor choice of wording, I didn't own any loose switches, I tested an Aorus board with Flaretech switch in a mall and made comparison between both from memory; The only source for loose Flaretech switches as of now is from Wooting themselves AFAIK
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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 15 August 2019, 08:45:06 »
Smoothest I've tried so far is Adomax Flaretech. Stock, even.

Forget about the ****ing lube. If you have to lube it, it's ****e .
doubt...
But then again, I've only tried cherry and gats. Lube makes a huge difference in both. And I'm not even using krytox
If you need lube, it's inherently a **** design, because lubricant will always have more friction than an inherently frictionless design.

Besides, let's be honest, a good switch shouldn't need so much work to make it good, if you can buy it brand-new. Factory-lubed switches deserve a bit more sympathy but ultimately a contact-based design will never be able to compete with a GOOD contactless design in terms of smoothness.
That makes sense. And again, I'm not really in a position to argue with you on that.
And I bet you made a lot of people curious on those switches.
Would be nice if someone else could chime in

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 15 August 2019, 11:30:13 »
Geekmaker purple linears are very smooth and generously pre-lubed out of the box

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 08:19:59 »
Let us discuss linear switches.

I am here. Modern cherry mx blacks are awful.


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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 08:56:22 »
Let us discuss linear switches.

I am here. Modern cherry mx blacks are awful.

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In what way? What other switches have you tried?

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 10:17:38 »
I fully agree that MX Blacks are awful, and probably turned me off permanently to linear switches. I've tried all types of Topre, a few Boxes, modded Clears, all default Cherry switches, and the only one I dislike typing on are those and MX Greens.

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 12:12:03 »
One of these days I need to try regular MX black switches.  I recently bought a Cherry G80-3494 with silent blacks with the intention of swapping out the switches with something else, but I actually like the silent blacks and plan on keeping the keyboard stock for now.  The only other linear switches I've tried are MX reds, which I hate with a passion.

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 13:50:49 »
It took a great linear switch to show me how good they can be. When I had only tried MX black and the like before, I hated them.
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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 17 August 2019, 05:04:20 »
How good are geekmaker switches compared to Tealios and Gat Inks ?

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 18 August 2019, 17:46:43 »
Does anyone here have any experience regarding Cherry MX Nature White vs Gateron Black?
I have both, the Nature Whites are closer to Blacks than Reds, but still a happy medium between them. Nature Whites are a bit scratchy due to the Cherry stem, i suppose one could swap a Gateron stem in there for smoothness.. Apart from that they are very pleasing in use but again im a Gat Ink / Tealios user so i might be biased.

lol ahhh ok I should look into those then.  Thanks!

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 08:43:28 »
I'm tired with chasing perfect switches. I sold Zealios v2 and Tealios v1 and now I'm using Kailh BOX Pink with lighter spring as a daily driver. Couldn't be happier. I ordered Kailh BOX Red and Brown to give them a go as they seem to be a sweet stop with the price and quality.

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Re: Linear switches - The search for the ultimate smoothness
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 08:46:39 »
To be honest smoothness was never an issue for me for linears.  Finding the perfect weight is hard.

I started with Cherry MX Red then eventually find it too light then tried MX Black and find it too hard.

I'm currently on Gateron Yellow and it's getting close but still a tiny bit too light, next up I might try Gateron Black.

Does anyone here have any experience regarding Cherry MX Nature White vs Gateron Black?

Have you tried using custom spring weights? I like 63.5g on my Tealios :)