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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #150 on: Wed, 25 November 2020, 17:20:37 »
Black Friday and I STILL can't afford a 1070/1080/2070/2080

I was promised sub $300 prices!  >:D >:D

970 for another year  :'(

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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #151 on: Wed, 25 November 2020, 18:11:58 »
Black Friday and I STILL can't afford a 1070/1080/2070/2080

I was promised sub $300 prices!  >:D >:D

970 for another year  :'(

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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #152 on: Wed, 25 November 2020, 18:45:36 »
Black Friday and I STILL can't afford a 1070/1080/2070/2080

I was promised sub $300 prices!  >:D >:D

970 for another year  :'(

wait fur 3080rtx


lmao did you not understand my budgetary restrictions? my cpu can't even run that thing.

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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #153 on: Wed, 25 November 2020, 22:47:28 »
I was promised sub $300 prices!  >:D >:D
That was conditional on Nvidia and AMD fixing their supply issues.

My understanding is that at this point it's either going to be 3-4 months before resale prices start dropping or it will be closer to 16 months. We may be looking at still another year without a good supply of GPUs.
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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #154 on: Thu, 26 November 2020, 00:56:05 »
I was promised sub $300 prices!  >:D >:D
That was conditional on Nvidia and AMD fixing their supply issues.

My understanding is that at this point it's either going to be 3-4 months before resale prices start dropping or it will be closer to 16 months. We may be looking at still another year without a good supply of GPUs.
how can they fix the scalper issue? AMD seems to have tried but failed, while nVidia just did not even bother and so far same results in both camps. it is in the hands or retailers to be able to fix it, if they even can...
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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #155 on: Thu, 26 November 2020, 01:47:30 »
Stop the scalpers? Easy.
Flood the market, that always works.

Everyone wants to blame the bots at the cart but truth is a lot of them never even made it to warehouses, a lot were bought in bulk right at the docks. This is usually miners and small vendors who do this but it does happen. The biggest problem though is simply supply and demand, there is A LOT of demand and a very limited supply. I don't think there has ever been this much demand for GPUs, even during the mining craze people were not spending what they are for new cards, this is just crazy. Mix that with limited supply due to COVID and you have a recipe for exactly what we're seeing. I can excuse AMD for underestimating demand, let's be honest, they haven't reelly been competitive since before the shortages started, much less Covid, and I'm sure their sales numbers reflect that. Nvidia on the other hand had to know, I think they saw AMD's headlights in the rear view mirror and it scared them into a paper launch long before they were ready. Think about this, had AMD launched first and then Nvidia dropped, Nvidia's pricing would be a MUCH larger issue, people would have flat out laughed at the 3090. Instead of AMD being a good cheaper alternative at the top end it would be people saying Nvidia priced themselves out of the market, too late and too expensive.
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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #156 on: Thu, 26 November 2020, 01:59:55 »
Stop the scalpers? Easy.
Flood the market, that always works.
Both are fabless now, they have actually very little control over how many can be produced in a given amount of time, and while nVidia launch cards as soon as they have 50 in stock, from what was reported AMD tried to flood the market, and well failed.
Everyone wants to blame the bots at the cart but truth is a lot of them never even made it to warehouses, a lot were bought in bulk right at the docks. This is usually miners and small vendors who do this but it does happen. The biggest problem though is simply supply and demand, there is A LOT of demand and a very limited supply. I don't think there has ever been this much demand for GPUs, even during the mining craze people were not spending what they are for new cards, this is just crazy. Mix that with limited supply due to COVID and you have a recipe for exactly what we're seeing. I can excuse AMD for underestimating demand, let's be honest, they haven't reelly been competitive since before the shortages started, much less Covid, and I'm sure their sales numbers reflect that. Nvidia on the other hand had to know, I think they saw AMD's headlights in the rear view mirror and it scared them into a paper launch long before they were ready. Think about this, had AMD launched first and then Nvidia dropped, Nvidia's pricing would be a MUCH larger issue, people would have flat out laughed at the 3090. Instead of AMD being a good cheaper alternative at the top end it would be people saying Nvidia priced themselves out of the market, too late and too expensive.
and nVidia did now, they did the nintendo tactic and it worked, even though AMD has cards out everyone wants the lower end nVidia still, it is not the 1st time this happen to nVidia i do not think they were scared at all, just psychology dictate that if a product sells out instantly peoples will want to buy it even more so trickle the supply to make for free very strong advertisement, so it was a good marketing move on their part except if AMD had managed to flood the market but they failed, so nVidia won. and at least on nVidia's side some MSI (i think) employees did pretty much steal all the stock before it was sent out and scalped them on an alternative store (still owned by the same company though).
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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #157 on: Fri, 27 November 2020, 21:09:44 »
Well isn't that nice....

Nvidia's financial results appears to show that they sold 250,000 RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 cards directly to miners before retailers even had a chance at them. That's not $250k worth of cards, it was 250,000 cards. This was no accident, they planned this from the start and actually ended up over selling to them shorting gamers even more than they originally intended.

Oh, but it gets worse.
This appears to be a massive chunk of their inventory and they not only cut out the middle man (Newegg, Best Buy, etc...) but they also cut out 3rd party board partners (Asus, Gigabyte, EVGA, etc...) and took all of that profit as well. "Partners", I don't think they know what that word means.
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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #158 on: Fri, 27 November 2020, 21:57:54 »
why would a hardware company cut a deal with btc miners and stiff actual consumers? that is crazy

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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #159 on: Fri, 27 November 2020, 22:18:58 »
Sigh.. crypto needs to die.. this is the second dumbest endeavor humanity has ever taken upon, second only to meat-eating.

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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #160 on: Sat, 28 November 2020, 03:03:26 »
why would a hardware company cut a deal with btc miners and stiff actual consumers? that is crazy
Guaranteed sales, it was like printing money.
Regardless of estimations, they knew miners would pay whatever they they asked with no questions asked. They don't need benchmarks, store shelves, vendors, marketing, nothing. They know it will not sit on shelves for 3 months waiting to be sold or expect to be marked down for Black Friday. They can get full price, right here, right now.

Gamers on the other hand, yes some will buy a 3080 and 3090, but how many? Be honest, how many here would pay $1400 for a GPU if it was in front of them for sale? How many would wait for benchmarks? It's a far more fickle crowd and by shorting them it created an even larger artificial demand and hype machine that will carry sales even longer. Drop that same card in front of a miner and it's not a question of much but how many can they get.

They're in business to make money, but even still this is pretty shady. They shorted their core customer and screwed vendors.
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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #161 on: Sat, 28 November 2020, 03:22:07 »
I would say I'd boycot nvidia for the foreseeable future (probably 20 years or the firing of their CEO, I have a good memory) and recommend anyone who asks do the same but sounds like they wouldn't care.  As such this news is just yet another depressing reminder how futile the life of a no-one is when you're not even worthy of being offered overpriced commodities.
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« Reply #162 on: Sat, 28 November 2020, 03:39:39 »
Just to rain on some of the RTX 3xxx love here, and to reaffirm my love for Team Red....


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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #163 on: Sat, 28 November 2020, 08:28:03 »


Sapphire Nitro is typically the best line of ATI cards to buy.

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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #164 on: Sat, 28 November 2020, 09:01:43 »
I would say I'd boycot nvidia for the foreseeable future (probably 20 years or the firing of their CEO, I have a good memory) and recommend anyone who asks do the same but sounds like they wouldn't care.  As such this news is just yet another depressing reminder how futile the life of a no-one is when you're not even worthy of being offered overpriced commodities.

Tp4 is as anti capitalism as they come,  buhhh  Plz sell 3090 to Tp4 before you guys Killz Nvidia.. so yes BOYCOTT, get out so Tp4 can haz 3090.

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« Reply #165 on: Mon, 30 November 2020, 05:32:50 »
the only nitro that looks bad is the card i want... damn you Sapphire :) (what did they think with the 5600XT nitro? it looks outright ugly compared to all others nitros from the past and all other 5600XT...)
and well nVidia really seems to like giving peoples reasons to hate them but peoples still love them... and SO do not hold your breath for Jensen Huang to step down, he was the founder and he is likely going to be down with the ship if it comes to that.
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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #166 on: Mon, 30 November 2020, 07:50:12 »
I didn't even know that mining on GPUs is a thing anymore. Didn't they all move to ASICs a while backż

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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #167 on: Mon, 30 November 2020, 08:01:42 »
I didn't even know that mining on GPUs is a thing anymore. Didn't they all move to ASICs a while backż
for btc yes but quite a few currencies are impossible to mine on ASIC, some are even only possible to mine on CPU or hdd,  so yeah gpu miners still exists and also folding can only be done on C/GPU but i do not think F@H would buy 250k GPUs from nVidia
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Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
« Reply #168 on: Mon, 30 November 2020, 10:10:26 »
Thanks for the explanation.

i do not think F@H would buy 250k GPUs from nVidia

LOL, yeah, that's rather unlikely. Although it'd do much more good than those miner parasites.