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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 05 November 2020, 13:06:52 »
Georgia might be late since now we have to check if our mail-ins were counted or not, then contact about it as to why they were not - if they were not more than likely that's part of the few thousand ballots that never showed up to be counted.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 05 November 2020, 13:21:15 »
Georgia might be late since now we have to check if our mail-ins were counted or not, then contact about it as to why they were not - if they were not more than likely that's part of the few thousand ballots that never showed up to be counted.

Everyone check your ballots....  Dun' let  repoopblicans get away with it.


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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 05 November 2020, 13:39:55 »
JAJA COme onnnnnn

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 05 November 2020, 13:46:14 »

What's wrong with the country,


A plan was formulated in the late 1950s in the wake of Brown vs Board of Education, and a book named "The Calculus of Consent" was written by James McGill Buchanan and Gordon Tullock that laid out a road map for the plutocracy to use in dis-educating the proletariat by eviscerating the public education system, gaining control of the media to spread disinformation (bye bye Fairness Doctrine), and buying most or all of the members of one of the political parties to enact their desired legislation (no taxes on the wealthy).

This was not able to be realized (since it was so unpopular, that is, the public didn't want it (and besides, unpopular=anti-social)) until Reagan managed to meld religious fervor with those latent anti-governmental emotions being experienced by those who saw their world changing too fast for them to keep up with.

They could not or would not realize (and still don't) that the plutocrats were both the instigators and the beneficiaries of the collapse of our society.
Citizens United violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president.
So now we’ve just seen a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect and sometimes get favors for themselves after the election’s over.”
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 05 November 2020, 17:31:53 »
Why are US:ians so afraid of "socialism" anyway?

idiots who are totally blind to the mountains of propaganda shoved down their throats every day
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 05 November 2020, 18:12:56 »
omg... jajaa's doin' it.. omg... almost there..

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 05 November 2020, 22:00:37 »
Me in canada : join as spectator


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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 05:31:50 »
Penn might do it too ?

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 05:55:24 »
Trajectory looks gud'...

Now, For sure, they'll contest Georgia, but read somewhere, Penn doesn't allow it unless the difference is within certain margin ? something like that.  But the margin will be tight, so sigh....

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 10:02:20 »
Penn, yeeeeee...

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 11:41:55 »
Rumors all ober deep web,  the repooplicans gonna try hax on recounts ...

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #62 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 11:45:32 »
whcha'll think bout North Carolina ?  They gonna come straight o' no.

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« Reply #63 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 14:15:09 »
I knew he would throw a tantrum and say it was rigged as soon as he started losing. Funny how he wasn't saying that when the election was ACTUALLY rigged.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 14:57:59 »
I knew he would throw a tantrum and say it was rigged as soon as he started losing. Funny how he wasn't saying that when the election was ACTUALLY rigged.


what time period are you saying was, --Actually-- rigged ?

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« Reply #65 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 15:11:57 »
I knew he would throw a tantrum and say it was rigged as soon as he started losing. Funny how he wasn't saying that when the election was ACTUALLY rigged.


what time period are you saying was, --Actually-- rigged ?


sorry sorry... TAMPERED with. Got to terminology correct these days or you'll get cancelled.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #66 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 15:25:00 »
sorry sorry... TAMPERED with. Got to terminology correct these days or you'll get cancelled.

NT drinkn' too much trumpjuice lately. kekeke

Watchn' fox news makes me so mad... Then realized, I see, this is for people who can't or won't read.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 16:53:50 »
Does ne1 think trump can still win ?

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #68 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 17:43:54 »
Not in a real universe where facts and reason rule, but there are plenty of cheats, tricks, and judicial tomfoolery that could be employed. The Founders were careful to build safeguards into the Constitution, but they never imagined a corrupt President, a corrupt Senate, and a corrupt Attorney General/Department of Justice all at the same time.
Citizens United violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president.
So now we’ve just seen a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect and sometimes get favors for themselves after the election’s over.”
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #69 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 18:18:16 »
He would have to flip 4 different states..   I think 2 is possible, but not 4.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #70 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 04:59:01 »
Not in a real universe where facts and reason rule, but there are plenty of cheats, tricks, and judicial tomfoolery that could be employed. The Founders were careful to build safeguards into the Constitution, but they never imagined a corrupt President, a corrupt Senate, and a corrupt Attorney General/Department of Justice all at the same time.
they seemed to have built in loopholes to facilitate it, so i dunno if they never imagined it or just wanted it, none of them were saints, pretty far from it actually
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #71 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 07:42:04 »
Not in a real universe where facts and reason rule, but there are plenty of cheats, tricks, and judicial tomfoolery that could be employed. The Founders were careful to build safeguards into the Constitution, but they never imagined a corrupt President, a corrupt Senate, and a corrupt Attorney General/Department of Justice all at the same time.
they seemed to have built in loopholes to facilitate it, so i dunno if they never imagined it or just wanted it, none of them were saints, pretty far from it actually

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #72 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 08:17:54 »

i dunno if they never imagined it


Remember that the Constitution was written before the Industrial Revolution when the world was very different.

The other important point that is consistently forgotten is that the country was just emerging from a protracted war in which a tiny pitiful band of farmers had beaten back what was arguably the most powerful nation in the world. That pinnacle of unity (in spite of the rancor between the Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans) has never been matched and has continued to deteriorate ever since. The only other time that we came together to anything remotely like that degree was during World War 2.

The population was deeply engaged and involved for fear that their sacrifice would be for naught. The Founding Fathers failed to imagine that a day would come when the general population would disengage from its own governance and that nearly half of eligible voters would not even bother to exercise their primary civil privilege and obligation.

In recent years, it was the evil ones who took a sledge hammer to the concept of "We the People" and installed a wedge between a people and its government. With their media conglomerate behind them they have worked hard for nearly 4 decades to dis-educate millions of people to believe that something something could protect the needs of the people better than their government could.
 

Citizens United violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president.
So now we’ve just seen a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect and sometimes get favors for themselves after the election’s over.”
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #73 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 09:09:13 »

i dunno if they never imagined it


Remember that the Constitution was written before the Industrial Revolution when the world was very different.

The other important point that is consistently forgotten is that the country was just emerging from a protracted war in which a tiny pitiful band of farmers had beaten back what was arguably the most powerful nation in the world. That pinnacle of unity (in spite of the rancor between the Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans) has never been matched and has continued to deteriorate ever since. The only other time that we came together to anything remotely like that degree was during World War 2.

The population was deeply engaged and involved for fear that their sacrifice would be for naught. The Founding Fathers failed to imagine that a day would come when the general population would disengage from its own governance and that nearly half of eligible voters would not even bother to exercise their primary civil privilege and obligation.

In recent years, it was the evil ones who took a sledge hammer to the concept of "We the People" and installed a wedge between a people and its government. With their media conglomerate behind them they have worked hard for nearly 4 decades to dis-educate millions of people to believe that something something could protect the needs of the people better than their government could.

That's an overwhelmingly nationalistic perspective.

Given the average lower education rate of < Farmers + general population > in < 1765 > ,   The Majority 99%+ wouldn't have truly understood what they were fighting for or WHY.   At that point in time they were probably even LESS informed than modern Trump Voters, carrying on their lives identically not knowing the consequence of their political lean. They were the Sheeple of Sheeple back then..  Hence the Slavery and Wife-beating.

You can't describe general america <back then>  as intelligent revolutionaries, maybe that reflects the few educated leaders.

The Founding Fathers were all mostly Asshat Racist Rapist Slave Owners.  JUST LIKE our leaders TODAY, Democrat + Republican.

Bernie Sanders is 1 in a million, and They NEVER get elected.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #74 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 10:19:58 »

The Majority 99%+ wouldn't have truly understood what they were fighting for or WHY.


You are saying that very poor and very hard-working people were willing to put their lives, families, and future security on the line for no real discernible reason?

I don't think so. They understood full well that they were fighting to have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

That, unfortunately, is what the plutocrats want their sheep to lose sight of nowadays.
Citizens United violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president.
So now we’ve just seen a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect and sometimes get favors for themselves after the election’s over.”
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #75 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 10:54:14 »

The Majority 99%+ wouldn't have truly understood what they were fighting for or WHY.


You are saying that very poor and very hard-working people were willing to put their lives, families, and future security on the line for no real discernible reason?

I don't think so. They understood full well that they were fighting to have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

that's EXACTLY what I'm saying.

What do TRUMP voters Get for their support.  They get MAJOR risk to their Lives via the virus,  They get a Dramatically reduced and ineffective Stimulus bill,  Reduced Social Services.     And clearly there're 70 Million of this idiocy in the year 2020. A world w/ fiber optics connecting every nation, Every book worth reading available for free, every advantage no single human can exhaust.

The general population are Sheeple, and it's always been that way.

The majority of soldiers don't even understand what death is, or of its high probability. They're brainwashed to feel invincible through ignorance training, to ignore facts and follow orders. If soldiers were smarter, they'd quit.   This is the same situation with Cops, why do so many bigots sign up,   It's not JUST BECAUSE they're bigots,  they're Bigots because they're stupid, courtesy of our public education system, OWNED and operated by Capitalism, the modern slave owners. 

What exactly did we send our bravest to die for in Iraq,  what did all those civilians we killed die for ?

The Whims of Capitalism.



If Everyone was as AWARE as you say,  how could any of this stuff happen.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #76 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 12:06:09 »
Remember that the Constitution was written before the Industrial Revolution when the world was very different.

The other important point that is consistently forgotten is that the country was just emerging from a protracted war in which a tiny pitiful band of farmers had beaten back what was arguably the most powerful nation in the world. That pinnacle of unity (in spite of the rancor between the Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans) has never been matched and has continued to deteriorate ever since. The only other time that we came together to anything remotely like that degree was during World War 2.
i am sorry to pop your little patriotic bubble but the founding fathers were also slavers and wealthy men in a see of uneducated farmers... look at it, it has not actually changed that much has it? and that war was not fought only by those farmers they had outside help too.
The population was deeply engaged and involved for fear that their sacrifice would be for naught. The Founding Fathers failed to imagine that a day would come when the general population would disengage from its own governance and that nearly half of eligible voters would not even bother to exercise their primary civil privilege and obligation.
the only problem is that the voting system used in the US is built to disengage peoples from the governance, it adds a useless and detrimental layer to the an election processes that is already democratic to the minimum
In recent years, it was the evil ones who took a sledge hammer to the concept of "We the People" and installed a wedge between a people and its government. With their media conglomerate behind them they have worked hard for nearly 4 decades to dis-educate millions of people to believe that something something could protect the needs of the people better than their government could.
the dis-education predates all of that by a very long margins, there exists old documents discussing that, although i am a bit too lazy to search today, the government around the industrial did not want educated peoples that may disobey or look at the risk and refuse to work in those conditions, they wanted mindless workers, and so education was cut back and propagandized...
When you look at neither with patriotism tainted glasses the USSR and the USA looks remarkably similar, just one at the end had a leader that slipped up and gave away to the peoples, and the peoples took taste and the USSR failed, the current USA is just a culmination of what short minded capitalist did to get their pot of gold out of it and did not care for the next one, founding fathers included.

Of course you do not learn that in school, i am not even sure you can get access to books discussing that in the US, like books about colonialist wars in France are hard to find and sometime outright censored (how in this day and age is it possible that a book talking about the history of a country be forbidden to import or a film to watch...) democracy was killed long ago, it never really existed to start.

all and all patriotism is bad, it dehumanize the rest of the world and make you very short sighted, we should all look at the whole world and not US or France or England, patriotism does not have a place in a world with pandemics and food shortages. actually as do armies, Bush's crusades in Iraq could not have existed without mindless patriotism.

ps: maybe not my greatest idea to talk politics with about 3 hours of sleep in the last 2 nights, but hey hope it at least entertains someone.
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« Reply #77 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 12:19:13 »
All the commentators are saying that Trump will remain the most powerful person in the Republican Party and that he will shape and steer it in the future.

I disagree completely, I think that once out of power he will become toxic and no one will want to have anything to do with him. And besides, he will spend the remainder of his life in court (unless he flees the country, which would be the wiser option). He came into office with 5000 lawsuits against him and that number will certainly swell.
Citizens United violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president.
So now we’ve just seen a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect and sometimes get favors for themselves after the election’s over.”
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #78 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 12:39:44 »


The CIA would sooner snip trump themselves than let SOME OTHER country get hold of him.  Russia already has tremendous leverage over american politics through the kompromat built on the Epst31n debacle.

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« Reply #79 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 20:08:23 »
'Ol Joey B certainly has his work cut out for him

a pandemic in full-swing, an economic crises, an entire nation angry and at each other's throats, the reputation of a country to repair, and countless blatant corruption that has been allowed to fester to cut off and begin treatment for

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #80 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 20:10:31 »
They just broadcasted the democrat convention,   where's the repooplican convention ?

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #81 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 20:29:16 »
The Most important takeaway from the Biden acceptence speech.

Ya'll see those blue lights,  They is Dronez..  AI was there. 

AI for President. 2028


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« Reply #82 on: Sat, 07 November 2020, 20:59:04 »

:)) the drones reminded me of that Spider Man movie

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« Reply #83 on: Sun, 08 November 2020, 04:10:05 »
Does ne1 think trump can still win ?
He shouldn't have won last time either, but then again, it's not a democracy, is it? :p
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #84 on: Sun, 08 November 2020, 14:53:40 »
Woah... didn't notice this before, Biden is Super Old... 77yrs.

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« Reply #85 on: Sun, 08 November 2020, 16:23:20 »
Woah... didn't notice this before, Biden is Super Old... 77yrs.
Yes, Biden has the record for oldest president at the start of his presidency.
The previous oldest president at his inauguration was Trump, who was 70, beating Ronald Reagan's age at his first inauguration by about four months. Trump is 74 now, and Reagan was almost 78 y/o at the end of his second term.

John McCain would have been 72 y/o had he won against Obama in 2008. I remember the discussion about his age back then, about the risk that he could die and pass the presidency to Sarah Palin (the horror ...)
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #86 on: Sun, 08 November 2020, 16:55:51 »
Kamala Harris as president.. she should be overall effective, buhhhhh.... it'd almost be impossible for her to be re-elected.  as we now know 70million americans are still racist as ff.

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« Reply #87 on: Sun, 08 November 2020, 17:30:48 »
Kamala Harris as president.. she should be overall effective, buhhhhh.... it'd almost be impossible for her to be re-elected.  as we now know 70million americans are still racist as ff.

that is not the correct takeaway from the last 4 years

all Trump supporters ≠ racist

stereotyping outlooks like that only add kindling to the fire

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 08 November 2020, 18:24:42 »
that is not the correct takeaway from the last 4 years

all Trump supporters ≠ racist

stereotyping outlooks like that only add kindling to the fire

It's not a case of assigning blame.

Racism is a product of ignorance/ economic disadvantage. If a person has got nothing else, he is merely what he is, if all he has is an identity, then that is all he could be charged to hold dear and protect. From there it's a stones throw from radical nationalism.

I don't believe all trump voters are racists,  but they are witless enough to vote for trump. That mental gap endangers humanity.

Large collective ignorance may well be what dooms this planet.

The exponentially compounding error in the pursuit of unchecked hedonism, tribal violence, and momentary trinkets.

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« Reply #89 on: Mon, 09 November 2020, 02:45:28 »
Kamala Harris as president.. she should be overall effective, buhhhhh.... it'd almost be impossible for her to be re-elected.  as we now know 70million americans are still racist as ff.

that is not the correct takeaway from the last 4 years

all Trump supporters ≠ racist

stereotyping outlooks like that only add kindling to the fire
What IS the correct takeaway from the last 4 years, actually? I'm genuinely curious about this.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #90 on: Mon, 09 November 2020, 03:10:57 »
Kamala Harris as president.. she should be overall effective, buhhhhh.... it'd almost be impossible for her to be re-elected.  as we now know 70million americans are still racist as ff.

that is not the correct takeaway from the last 4 years

all Trump supporters ≠ racist

stereotyping outlooks like that only add kindling to the fire
What IS the correct takeaway from the last 4 years, actually? I'm genuinely curious about this.
reality tv stars makes for bad presidents? richer != better? US education system is so ****ed that peoples are ready to believe anything someone who can't make a full sentence says? there is a lot to take away, not much we did not know already but the experience proved the theory :)
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #91 on: Mon, 09 November 2020, 03:15:30 »
Kamala Harris as president.. she should be overall effective, buhhhhh.... it'd almost be impossible for her to be re-elected.  as we now know 70million americans are still racist as ff.

that is not the correct takeaway from the last 4 years

all Trump supporters ≠ racist

stereotyping outlooks like that only add kindling to the fire
What IS the correct takeaway from the last 4 years, actually? I'm genuinely curious about this.

Political leaders need political experience? The system can be bought? Corruption does not need to be hidden for you to get away with it?

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #92 on: Mon, 09 November 2020, 03:56:57 »
My takeaway is that given all the time and resources in the world the USA can't make a trustworthy voting system.  If it takes days to 'count' anyway you could take the whole thing offline and phone in totals with authorisation codes with multiple people taking multiple copies to filter typos - no more 'Russians'.  While imperfect that took me all of 30 seconds...

Next filter requests for postal votes against the death register so dead 130 year olds can't vote.  This could be used against someone for revenge so no punishment for attempted fraud, but no ballot in the post either.  This saves money on paper and postage as well as making the vote more accurate.

I don't have any legal suggestions for how to get young, uncorrupted, candidates to represent the two big parties most of you blindly vote for based on ancient history and stereotypes.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #93 on: Mon, 09 November 2020, 04:04:49 »
My takeaway is that given all the time and resources in the world the USA can't make a trustworthy voting system.

yeah that's the way they want it
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #94 on: Mon, 09 November 2020, 05:24:35 »
Not trying to be a **** or anything, guys, but I think these were pretty well-known things before Trump got elected :p . I don't see how Trump getting elected did NOT highlight that there is a severe problem with racism in the US, though. First the US elects a highly erudite, intellectual, charismatic man of colour to run the country, and then, seemingly out of spite, and just to make a statement, the next one to get elected is the dumbest, stupidest, most intellectually and morally bankrupt, deluded, ridiculous, self-absorbed rich-boy whiteguy idiot you could possibly find. Even the rednecks, who should absolutely hate a spoilt, urbane, vain, hypocrite like Trump voted for him in droves. If it's not out of sheer racism, then what else? It's not like he has any points or politics.

Admittedly I wouldn't have thought Biden is particularly ideal either....
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #95 on: Mon, 09 November 2020, 06:08:36 »
Not trying to be a **** or anything, guys, but I think these were pretty well-known things before Trump got elected :p . I don't see how Trump getting elected did NOT highlight that there is a severe problem with racism in the US, though. First the US elects a highly erudite, intellectual, charismatic man of colour to run the country, and then, seemingly out of spite, and just to make a statement, the next one to get elected is the dumbest, stupidest, most intellectually and morally bankrupt, deluded, ridiculous, self-absorbed rich-boy whiteguy idiot you could possibly find. Even the rednecks, who should absolutely hate a spoilt, urbane, vain, hypocrite like Trump voted for him in droves. If it's not out of sheer racism, then what else? It's not like he has any points or politics.

Admittedly I wouldn't have thought Biden is particularly ideal either....
well i think it was part sexism and part 2 bad possible choices last time, Clinton was not great either pretty much wanting to create a 3rd world war (although it would have been great of the US economy, it being solely based on the war machine) this time it is just peoples hate being wrong and trump showed them that even while completely wrong you can still stubbornly be right and that is something the basic joe smoe can get behind.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #96 on: Mon, 09 November 2020, 07:54:55 »

First the US elects a highly erudite, intellectual, charismatic man of colour to run the country, and then, seemingly out of spite, and just to make a statement, the next one to get elected is the dumbest, stupidest, most intellectually and morally bankrupt, deluded, ridiculous, self-absorbed rich-boy whiteguy idiot you could possibly find.


That cycle is not new. Carter-Reagan, Clinton-Bush, it keeps happening along with economic cycles partially in synch with it.

The underlying takeaway is that we are crippled by the Constitution. Make no mistake, I think that, in general, the Constitution is one of the most brilliant documents that the human race has ever produced, and a pinnacle accomplishment of the Age of Enlightenment.

That said, it was written before the Industrial Revolution and fails to address many of the realities of modern life: human rights, instantaneous communication, rapid transportation, industry, and most importantly, the dramatic "shrinking" of the space on this planet. The Constitution therefore created a significantly decentralized government with states carrying almost all of the weight, and practically ignoring our relationship to the rest of the world.

We are screwed until the Constitution is heavily amended to address the realities of the modern world, as Justice Steven Breyer said: "It has become threadbare and needs to be stitched up in many places."

Republicans are desperate to load the federal judicial system with "constructionists" who demand that the Constitution be interpreted precisely by the words in which it was written. The newest justice has even expressed her belief that some amendments, which by definition become part of the Constitution and can directly contradict and supersede provisions of the original, are "illegitimate" which is patently absurd but common on the Radical Right.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #97 on: Mon, 09 November 2020, 08:26:48 »
All I can keep thinking is how easy it is to be cruel and misinformed.  How easy it is to tell someone to duck off. How easy it is to tell someone you hope they die.  How easy it is to share a headline that you never check to verify if true. 

It seems to me that standing up against being lazy and taking this easy approach to our fellow humans should be top priority.  We all know what hatred feels like.  Giving in to hatred is just too damn easy in the modern world.  It takes time and energy to have empathy and patience.

I’m proud to be a voter who removed Donald Trump from office.  We have to aspire to hold up the best of us as a representative for our country.  I don’t care which side of the aisle you come from. 
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #98 on: Mon, 09 November 2020, 09:39:14 »

First the US elects a highly erudite, intellectual, charismatic man of colour to run the country, and then, seemingly out of spite, and just to make a statement, the next one to get elected is the dumbest, stupidest, most intellectually and morally bankrupt, deluded, ridiculous, self-absorbed rich-boy whiteguy idiot you could possibly find.


That cycle is not new. Carter-Reagan, Clinton-Bush, it keeps happening along with economic cycles partially in synch with it.

The underlying takeaway is that we are crippled by the Constitution. Make no mistake, I think that, in general, the Constitution is one of the most brilliant documents that the human race has ever produced, and a pinnacle accomplishment of the Age of Enlightenment.

That said, it was written before the Industrial Revolution and fails to address many of the realities of modern life: human rights, instantaneous communication, rapid transportation, industry, and most importantly, the dramatic "shrinking" of the space on this planet. The Constitution therefore created a significantly decentralized government with states carrying almost all of the weight, and practically ignoring our relationship to the rest of the world.

We are screwed until the Constitution is heavily amended to address the realities of the modern world, as Justice Steven Breyer said: "It has become threadbare and needs to be stitched up in many places."

Republicans are desperate to load the federal judicial system with "constructionists" who demand that the Constitution be interpreted precisely by the words in which it was written. The newest justice has even expressed her belief that some amendments, which by definition become part of the Constitution and can directly contradict and supersede provisions of the original, are "illegitimate" which is patently absurd but common on the Radical Right.
you and the constitution is like the pope with the bible, both are incredibly flawed and need rework to be of any use today, both were made in an old time to keep a tight control over uneducated masses, and neither took into account that maybe one day some peoples would start to questions, and exploit its flaws, now we are there, with a completely obsolete text, hailed as sacred by some, used to dictate how one of the most powerful country in the world works...
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #99 on: Mon, 09 November 2020, 10:24:01 »

maybe one day some peoples would start to questions


As usual, your response is 10% precisely correct and 90% falsely twisted and out of context. Your profile does not reveal where you live, but my guess is that your own government was created with at least some reliance on the US Constitution, the archetypal structure for a human democracy in the modern world. You would be hard pressed to find any similar document from the 1700s which has stood the test of time as well, flaws and all.

And in stark contrast, unlike any flavor of Bible, the Constitution does expect and account for the need to amend it, even though one of its greatest flaws is that it made the amendment process too cumbersome.
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