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8K Tvs incoming.
« on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 11:59:36 »
TCL has announced their highly acclaimed 6 series will focus 8K for 2021.

Thoughts ?



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« Reply #1 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 12:03:41 »
my pc hangs on playing 1080p with Mavdr/SVP high settings...
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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 12:52:13 »
my pc hangs on playing 1080p with Mavdr/SVP high settings...
That's ez, stop using SVP.  kekekekekeke..

SVP creates garbage frames, the smoothness is somewhat appropriate for documentaries, but for regular movies, it mostly just reduces sharpness and adds artifacts.. The pan rates are too high for interpolation.

For most movies, it's better to match the 23.976 frame cadence as closely as possible.  This reduces judder, and improves motion clarity.

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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 14:21:24 »
I'll be sitting out on this wave of 8k panels, but am enticed by the new TCL and LG QNED panels

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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 15:06:10 »
I'll be sitting out on this wave of 8k panels, but am enticed by the new TCL and LG QNED panels

LG is not real QNED,  it's cheaterNED.

True QNED, the successor to OLED will come from Samsung, @ ~2023.  It is INorganic.

Allegedly, Samsung Qned will not burn in, have ~2000nits, that's more than Oled will EVER achieve.  But again, ALLEGEDLY...

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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 17:52:48 »
I've never even watched anything on a 4k tv lol but ok tech industry try to sell me something I neither want nor need. good luck.

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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 21:02:16 »
Don't buy one.
The TV industry moves even slower than the gaming industry *cough* RTX *Cough*, by the time 8k becomes even remotely usable on TV (you need to wait for stations to upgrade AND THEN your Cable provider, which can take a while) you will be able to buy one for a very small fraction of what these will debut at and by then there may be a major revision (like HDR) come out making your large investment fall flat.
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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 21:30:03 »
Don't buy one.
The TV industry moves even slower than the gaming industry *cough* RTX *Cough*, by the time 8k becomes even remotely usable on TV (you need to wait for stations to upgrade AND THEN your Cable provider, which can take a while) you will be able to buy one for a very small fraction of what these will debut at and by then there may be a major revision (like HDR) come out making your large investment fall flat.

Well it's going to be 6 series TCL, so it's gonna be ~$1000.  That's reasonable.

It can also use the extra pixels for spatial dithering, and that's always good for perceptual uniformity..

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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 22:33:52 »

Well it's going to be 6 series TCL, so it's gonna be ~$1000.  That's reasonable.

It can also use the extra pixels for spatial dithering, and that's always good for perceptual uniformity..

So you spend $1000 on a low end, early 8K tv, that you can't really utilize when you could get a really nice 4k for half that with features you can actually use and enjoy. Then in 4-8 years when 8k starts to actually become useful you could buy a nice 8k and still not spend $1000 total and your new 8k likely won't be as outdated as that $1000 early model which will probably be garbage compared to what you get for $500 by the time 8k becomes even remotely the norm.
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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 22:54:35 »
Mmmm... the 8K is something that (someone) could use right away, it's not a future only thing.

As for 4K @ half the price, I don't think it will be half, it'll probably be at least $700.

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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 00:11:15 »
Don't buy one.
The TV industry moves even slower than the gaming industry *cough* RTX *Cough*, by the time 8k becomes even remotely usable on TV (you need to wait for stations to upgrade AND THEN your Cable provider, which can take a while) you will be able to buy one for a very small fraction of what these will debut at and by then there may be a major revision (like HDR) come out making your large investment fall flat.
I think most people buying 8K TVs will be using them for PC gaming.

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 03:29:55 »
Mmmm... the 8K is something that (someone) could use right away, it's not a future only thing.

As for 4K @ half the price, I don't think it will be half, it'll probably be at least $700.
The 4K models these replace (4000 series) are already at $500 on Amazon and this will further push 4k pricing down.
Also these are not going to be $1000, the first ones released will be $1500 with the others months behind (3rd quarter probably).

As for "someone", if you are that person, sure, but those people are few and far between and know what they need. Big box stores are going to shove this down people throats as soon as they hit the showroom floor saying why buy a "4k when you can have 8k" and it's the wrong tv for 99% of them anytime in the near future.


I think most people buying 8K TVs will be using them for PC gaming.
Have you looked at frame rates with 4k gaming?
Despite what Nvidia says we aren't really there yet for 8k, maybe next gen. but even then that will only be for high end RTX 4080 and 4090 owners, 8k for mainstream is still 2 generations away. That's 4 years.

Again, by the time it gets even close to mainstream it will cheaper and better and maybe, just maybe we will be able to buy video cards at retail prices once again.
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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 05:52:34 »
I think most people buying 8K TVs will be using them for PC gaming.
Have you looked at frame rates with 4k gaming?
Despite what Nvidia says we aren't really there yet for 8k, maybe next gen. but even then that will only be for high end RTX 4080 and 4090 owners, 8k for mainstream is still 2 generations away. That's 4 years.

Again, by the time it gets even close to mainstream it will cheaper and better and maybe, just maybe we will be able to buy video cards at retail prices once again.
4K is more than doable with modern hardware, and most games can do 8K just fine on most games with a flagship. Throw in VRR and DLSS and it all gets a lot easier.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 07:19:27 »
I'll be sitting out on this wave of 8k panels, but am enticed by the new TCL and LG QNED panels

LG is not real QNED,  it's cheaterNED.

True QNED, the successor to OLED will come from Samsung, @ ~2023.  It is INorganic.

Allegedly, Samsung Qned will not burn in, have ~2000nits, that's more than Oled will EVER achieve.  But again, ALLEGEDLY...


I thought TCL was actually the first to deploy this in their panels, or more something very similar (not a fan of Samsung TV's - last one was meh compared to the LG version I picked up). 


For gaming I'll stick with my 1440p panels, as yes 4k is possible but really not to the point at which I would consider gaming on it (above 120 fps and low response times - for a decent price not where it sits right now).

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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 07:21:42 »
8k is absolutely unnecessary. Personally, I'm fine with FHD even on my projector. I could see upgrading to 4k at some point but 8k....no. IMO the TV/movie industry should work on higher frame rates instead of higher resolutions.

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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 07:48:41 »
I thought TCL was actually the first to deploy this in their panels, or more something very similar (not a fan of Samsung TV's - last one was meh compared to the LG version I picked up). 


For gaming I'll stick with my 1440p panels, as yes 4k is possible but really not to the point at which I would consider gaming on it (above 120 fps and low response times - for a decent price not where it sits right now).


TCL's is  mini led, ~1000 zones.
LG's  (they're) calling it QNED, but it's more/less miniLED ~2500 zones, 30,000 leds

Samsung's QNED is true QNED, per-pixel control, no dimming zones.

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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 07:55:48 »
8k is absolutely unnecessary. Personally, I'm fine with FHD even on my projector. I could see upgrading to 4k at some point but 8k....no. IMO the TV/movie industry should work on higher frame rates instead of higher resolutions.
The good news is that bandwidth is the limit for framerates AND resolution, so pushing for one tend to mean progress for another. We're already seeing 4K/120hz TVs becoming standard.

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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 08:22:55 »
8k is absolutely unnecessary. Personally, I'm fine with FHD even on my projector. I could see upgrading to 4k at some point but 8k....no. IMO the TV/movie industry should work on higher frame rates instead of higher resolutions.
The good news is that bandwidth is the limit for framerates AND resolution, so pushing for one tend to mean progress for another. We're already seeing 4K/120hz TVs becoming standard.

they've already got 300+ hz in the works,  completely different market.

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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 08:58:48 »
Maybe I should make it clearer what I was wishing for, which is higher frame rates during filming of movies/shows. Sure, the gaming industry has long adopted 60Hz as their gold standard and (in case of PC gaming) has been moving way beyond that for quite some time now. But the TV/Movie industry seems to be stuck on prehistoric frame rates like 23.xxx, 25, or 30 Hz. Sure, they have real-life motion blur to compensate for it, but at least in panning shots, it just looks very ugly to anyone who is used to the higher frame rates of computer games. The tech is there, they're just not using it for whatever reasons.
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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 09:18:41 »
Maybe I should make it clearer what I was wishing for, which is higher frame rates during filming of movies/shows. Sure, the gaming industry has long adopted 60Hz as their gold standard and (in case of PC gaming) has been moving way beyond that for quite some time now. But the TV/Movie industry seems to be stuck on prehistoric frame rates like 23.xxx, 25, or 30 Hz. Sure, they have real-life motion blur to compensate for it, but at least in panning shots, it just looks very ugly to anyone who is used to the higher frame rates of computer games. The tech is there, they're just not using it for whatever reasons.

I used to think that, until I saw the experiments they've done with 60fps filming, gemini man and halftime walk.

It's not a straightforward situation just tune it up to 60fps.  There needs to be an entirely new creative language developed from the Grounds-Up  for 60fps movie making.  Without it,  if you use the same style of shots you used in 24fps,  it looks like garbage.

I also don't think human actors can perform with the Precision necessary to fool the audience in 60fps.

In 60fps, every movement the actor makes looks deliberate, and Fake,  He can't hide a single twitch in the wrong place or it shows up on camera.   

Point is, don't take 24fps for granted.

In panning shots,  you'd think 60fps is great, but actually, it makes off axis judder extremely obvious. So it's SMOOTH yes, but you also see the imperfect movements that the camera man makes.  Even with assisted gyroscopic mounts, the little perturbations are visible.   Again,  we're building an illusion, a 60fps illusion is impossibly difficult  outside of animation.

Then there's the fact that your eye will perceive everything in 60fps as too fast.  because the bitrate mismatch between your expectation of the frame clarity.

Your eye does not track in 60fps, it has stochastic eye movement.  There's no way YET, to resolve this mismatch.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 10:05:01 »
PC Gaming all about that 144+ FPS, 60 is for plebs. . lol
But yes TP4 is right in normal films and TV it would appear off to the eye - very different for YT media as it's typically not set as a normal show/movie etc.  I could see it coming to be over-time. 


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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 11:07:40 »
PC Gaming all about that 144+ FPS, 60 is for plebs. . lol
But yes TP4 is right in normal films and TV it would appear off to the eye - very different for YT media as it's typically not set as a normal show/movie etc.  I could see it coming to be over-time. 



This may not ever happen with live-action films.

For example, you usually have to have women in movies. That's kind of normal.  If it's even slightly windy, and their hair twists or flutters, in 60fps your eye is automatically drawn to it. It's extremely distracting when in scenes where not much else is moving.

So for example, just 2 people talking, but 1 person hair suddenly flutters, the whole scene looks fake, and it breaks the seriousness of the conversation they're having.

Another example, if someone's sleeves suddenly moves or a flag or window curtains, (anyone's) it could be in the background, instantly pulls attention away from the main subject. 

There are so many things that would need to be tied down, that it would increase cost and effort exponentially to do 60fps.

Animations no problem. you can do 120fps if you want to pony the Super-Computer rendering $$

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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 13:22:06 »
There was some experimentation in the 80's with releasing things in 60fps. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showscan

I don't see much benefit in jumping to 8k just yet there always seem to be teething problems that clear up after a couple of years.

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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 14:34:52 »
TP, you make some really interesting points, some of which I hadn't thought about before.

However, I can't help but think that a lot of this comes down to viewing habits that have been ingrained in watchers over the decades. After all, the low frame rates of movies weren't chosen to mask the imperfections of the actors or whatever, they were chosen because film was really expensive in the analog age, and those frame rates were the lowest they could get away with.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 21:34:05 »
TP, you make some really interesting points, some of which I hadn't thought about before.

However, I can't help but think that a lot of this comes down to viewing habits that have been ingrained in watchers over the decades. After all, the low frame rates of movies weren't chosen to mask the imperfections of the actors or whatever, they were chosen because film was really expensive in the analog age, and those frame rates were the lowest they could get away with.
We're in a similar situation for 8k data storage.
8K eats up a LOOOOT of drive space in raw format and trying to archive all of it is tough.

8k RAW at the lower end starts at around 500gigs per minute with higher end cameras using 6 times that, and for every minute you see there's 20-30 minutes of footage you don't. That's 1.5 Petabytes at the low end for a 2 hour movie. Granted not all of that will be saved once finished but it still adds up fast and requires far more than just a little external drive.
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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 25 January 2021, 10:25:46 »
good thing Seagate is working on 24TB drives  :cool:

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 25 January 2021, 10:36:53 »
good thing Seagate is working on 24TB drives  :cool:
seems rather, unsafe
i mean even in raid, if you get says 5 drive in raid 5, all at once, one dies, it is rather likely that an other will before the array is rebuilt, because often higher capacity mean slower and less reliable...
but then here we got an array of 500G sata drives from likely 2007 given the HP logos, so maybe i am a bit overly dramatic. still i would not put any data on one not backed up/raided
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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 25 January 2021, 11:06:57 »
They're being developed for the enterprise sector - so it will be a bit till they meet the consumer sector.

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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 25 January 2021, 14:54:33 »
We're in a similar situation for 8k data storage.
8K eats up a LOOOOT of drive space in raw format and trying to archive all of it is tough.

Good point. I guess pushing the envelope is expensive in any day and age.

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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 25 January 2021, 21:18:03 »
good thing Seagate is working on 24TB drives  :cool:
Believe it or not that actually makes a related problem worse.

Spinners need to die for 8k to really blossom, the problem is that 24TB drive doesn't read or write any faster than current drives, they themselves are fast enough for 8k editing and such but let's say you have a Petabyte server and a single drive fails, with proper raid you lost no data, but it will take 4(!) DAYS repopulate that drive. That's 4 days with your fingers crossed hoping no other drives fail, during which time those other drives are working twice as hard as normal further increasing the chance of a second drive failing. That end is coming sooner than you expect, there's already a 100TB 3.5in enterprise ssd on the market, not cheap ($40k) but it pays for itself in other ways in the enterprise sector.
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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 26 January 2021, 12:51:07 »
good thing Seagate is working on 24TB drives  :cool:
Believe it or not that actually makes a related problem worse.

Spinners need to die for 8k to really blossom, the problem is that 24TB drive doesn't read or write any faster than current drives, they themselves are fast enough for 8k editing and such but let's say you have a Petabyte server and a single drive fails, with proper raid you lost no data, but it will take 4(!) DAYS repopulate that drive. That's 4 days with your fingers crossed hoping no other drives fail, during which time those other drives are working twice as hard as normal further increasing the chance of a second drive failing. That end is coming sooner than you expect, there's already a 100TB 3.5in enterprise ssd on the market, not cheap ($40k) but it pays for itself in other ways in the enterprise sector.
Off topic, but are there any exotic RAID layouts that allow for more than 2 parity drives?

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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 26 January 2021, 22:17:33 »
Off topic, but are there any exotic RAID layouts that allow for more than 2 parity drives?
You can mirror across multiple drives but at what point does it stop being redundant and instead a liability?
 
You will see things online saying how one drive has X risk of failure but 3 drives means risk of one in however million of losing data, wrong, this is not how odds or raid works. Two drives means double the failure rate, not half. If you wait until one fails then plug in the second you then doubled the lifespan but running side by side means you only have redundancy, not extra lifespan and each is subject to the same abuse.

It gets worse.
Say one drive fails and you replace it, that drive is fresh and has a fresh counter but your other drives are that much closer to death and you just asked them to work the hardest they have in their lives. Are they the same drive, from the same batch, installed at the same time, what makes you think they are going to be different than the one that just failed? Raid theory says they should be from different batches to avoid this problem. There is also a high risk of failure early on in a drive's life so it could fail at the 3/4 mark and require yet another full rebuild before you are back up entirely.  The more drives you have the more chance of failure and each failure means a mad scramble to rebuild which can lead to even more failures. It's possible to cause a cascade failure in such circumstances and the more drives and more data you have the higher the chances of this happening.

So you can have more but there's a fine balance between over working drives constantly rebuilding and not having enough and experts get paid big bucks to figure out where that number lies, and just in case they're wrong they have another person making backups.
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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 26 January 2021, 22:39:28 »
I think with general consumer as long as drives are spun down and mostly sleeping, they last for a very long time assuming moisture isn't a problem.

Spun up all the time though, without active cooling alot can go wrong with the controller and heat.

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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #33 on: Tue, 26 January 2021, 22:59:04 »
But the TV/Movie industry seems to be stuck on prehistoric frame rates like 23.xxx, 25, or 30 Hz.
...
The tech is there, they're just not using it for whatever reasons.
Back in the day when Eastman and Edison defined the 35 mm format, they had chosen 24 FPS because it was the lowest frame rate that could still produce a non-jerky image, in order to need as little film stock as necessary.
A film projector in a cinema (both film and digital DLP) moves a shutter to exposing each frame multiple times to increase the flicker rate to 72 Hz (or more) to make it easier to the eyes.

There was some discussion  when The Hobbit movie series (2012-2014) got a theatrical released in the "high frame rate" of 48 fps.
Some filmmakers and movie buffs thought that it did not look "cinematic".
The image was too real for them. It got easier to see details in the movie, including imperfections in sets, clothing etc. which affected the suspension of disbelief for them.
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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 27 January 2021, 01:38:07 »
I think with general consumer as long as drives are spun down and mostly sleeping, they last for a very long time assuming moisture isn't a problem.
The "average" consumer won't be buying these anytime soon, or ever.
Between price (over $500) and the simple fact that most people, even gamers rarely exceed a few TB, by the time the average person needs and can afford a drive like this, SSDs will have pretty much made them obsolete.

I don't put any faith or expectation on drives lasting.
I expect spinners to go 2-4 years (75% fail between 4 and 5) and SSDs are upgraded once space gets constrained, usually about at the same pace.
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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 27 January 2021, 03:16:12 »
I think with general consumer as long as drives are spun down and mostly sleeping, they last for a very long time assuming moisture isn't a problem.
The "average" consumer won't be buying these anytime soon, or ever.
Between price (over $500) and the simple fact that most people, even gamers rarely exceed a few TB, by the time the average person needs and can afford a drive like this, SSDs will have pretty much made them obsolete.
nah, give it 2 years and the AAA games will need a 2TB SDD + 24TB hdd for all the DLC you did not buy per game, next GTA :)

and TP, so far i saw 2 drives die of heat, and about 20 die of physical chock (head crash) and maybe 40 of old age (bearing seizing up or magnetic deterioration), heat may be the killer of very badly designed usb drives but users dropping their stuff seems the main cause of early death, and what can you expect from 15 to 20 years old drives.
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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 27 January 2021, 08:17:40 »
I know so far I have filled my 2 1TB SSD's w/ games and have a 3rd dedicated as a scratch when I need it.  Games definitely are starting to go above that 100+ GB size as a norm.  If 2TB+ SSD's would drop further in price I would be moving to those, I know I plan on moving my 500GB NVMe to a 1TB soon as well since the prices are nice on those (so far my experience has been only w/ Samsung NVMe drives and I'll be sticking with them too).

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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 27 January 2021, 08:49:13 »
I don't put any faith or expectation on drives lasting.
I expect spinners to go 2-4 years (75% fail between 4 and 5) and SSDs are upgraded once space gets constrained, usually about at the same pace.

That's with alot of uptime. Spun down, they last alot longer.

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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 27 January 2021, 20:31:55 »
That's with alot of uptime. Spun down, they last alot longer.
I've replaced far too many drives that say otherwise.
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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 10:00:13 »
LMAO  :))
Still thinking which 4K display to get for my PS5.

Jokes aside. I think, at present 8K is an overkill and there are very few content out there which are in native 8K resolution. I mean if you have a jacked up gaming rig, then you can game in 8K.  :thumb:

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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 10:10:39 »
LMAO  :))
Still thinking which 4K display to get for my PS5.

Jokes aside. I think, at present 8K is an overkill and there are very few content out there which are in native 8K resolution. I mean if you have a jacked up gaming rig, then you can game in 8K.  :thumb:

LG CX.. Not even a choice, this is the best all around product for movies and consoles.

You don't need to worry about burn-in with most console games, unless it's something UI heavy.

Only drawback is PC use and burnins.

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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 14:31:00 »
I was starting to have interest in Sony's OLED line-up.  Last I remember it's an LG Panel but they beefed up the compute driving it.

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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 16:24:50 »
LMAO  :))
Still thinking which 4K display to get for my PS5.

Jokes aside. I think, at present 8K is an overkill and there are very few content out there which are in native 8K resolution. I mean if you have a jacked up gaming rig, then you can game in 8K.  :thumb:

LG CX.. Not even a choice, this is the best all around product for movies and consoles.

You don't need to worry about burn-in with most console games, unless it's something UI heavy.

Only drawback is PC use and burnins.

Second on all counts. (I have my PC and PS5 hooked up to a 55" CX)

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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 16:41:59 »

Second on all counts. (I have my PC and PS5 hooked up to a 55" CX)


TP4 is holding out for LMCL or QNED..

Fingers crossed for LMCL, but it's looking to be too power hungry for USA TV power use regulation.

QNED is good, but it's completely in the air, no one knows for sure how it will perform.  Whereas LMCL is fully formed and a working product.

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Re: 8K Tvs incoming.
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 11:52:42 »
Nothing to stream really :/