Can USA even defeet arrg Ran?

[tp4tissue]

Like,  you guys think that's even possible? when we lost irq annnnd afgnnnist?


PS, if you dun' want to get scraped by Pa1en  s7ir,   lurn2ryt  like Tp4.

[Leslieann]

First define "win", what is your end goal?
Do you want to completely overthrow it or blow it back into the 1700's? If you overthrow it do you care about the resulting power vacuum and do you want to handle the power transition or let them handle it? There's a reason everyone tries to make it a holy war, it brings all of the fanatics making it very difficult to root them all out. You're fighting ideology, not just a country, and they certainly will make it that.


Anyhow, Israelis already claim air superiority and they've got nothing on our military.
Short terms we could win pretty much any war, the question is does the U.S. population have the stomach for it or would they hamstring our military long term? I think you know that answer. If we just want to pound them into submission, great we could do that but it could quickly turn into another GAZA if you aren't careful.

[tp4tissue]

Anyhow, 1srills already claim air superiority and they've got nothing on our military.

It's not as simple as this.

Ahy R4n can destroy alot of mid-eas 7ern infrastructure around them such that it would completely destabalize the oil economy, then our petr0 d011r goes poooof.

Goldback Rvb1e+Goldback Yuan  in the form of (Crypto) become the reserve currency. BTC goes to $400,000

[Findecanor]

That's not important.

Israel's attack on Iran is a diversion from the genocide in Gaza, which has recently entered a new phase.

[tp4tissue]

The g3n o(id  is bad.   But you guys fail to grasp the PANDEMONIUM which would occur if our petr0d011r fails.


Remember, we CAN'T Recycle it this time.

[Leslieann]

That's not important.

That was exactly my thought when it happened.
That and Rump probably promised them aid if they went at Iran, giving him a war, a distraction, and cover for aid.

Ahy R4n can destroy alot of mid-eas 7ern infrastructure around them such that it would completely destabalize the oil economy, then our petr0 d011r goes poooof.

Everything destabilizes oil, oil price is based on speculation and if they "speculate" it will go up, it goes up. It's not really based on reality, it's as bad as Tesla stock.
However, there's never more than 1% oil to spare (mostly thanks to the oil cartels) so any actual disruption only gets amplified and the main players all provide more than 1% which is why countries like Venezuela get to play an oversized part on the world stage.

[chyros]

I just can't believe that the US is STILL so utterly obsessed with oil. I mean come on guys, it's the 21st century ffs .

[tp4tissue]

He who controls the Spice rules the Universe.

It's in the "Culture" of "Imperialism."   Which is an antiquated ideology and thoroughly obsolete/ inappropriate in managing systems of Our-Current-Scale,   The only possible outcome of the system / culture, as is,   is Total extinction, the Anthropocene, of which, we are currently in the TAIL-END of.   We've already killed 95% of animal species relative to the Normal Natural Earth Biomass 10,000 years ago, according to the Living Planet Index which is the largest scientific accounting of wild animals..


The United States has already lost economic/ industrial/ military dominance.  The only claim-to-power we have left is the "middle east." Oil Infrastructure.

We will inevitably be reduced to the neutered states such as Britain, powerless and feeble. Remember, Britain had all this stuff, they had the same claim on endless Oil, but when their Industrial base collapsed, and went through a baby-bust, it was all over, and we America replaced them as the world's hegemony. But, today, that prowess is equally mothballed and collapsed.

The only way to logistically rectify this is if we Directly Invade Canada/ Greenland for the Mineral/Oil Rights. + Invade all of South America for Slave Labor.


The Republican administration considers this existential,  I doubt they will succeed given the talentless pool of leaders and sycophants,

It was the same case with Britain, a useless obsolete generation of FatFk Nepo-babies dropping the ball on the-Empire.  The irony is Britain still believes they rule the world, when they're not even considered a fingernail by our American-Empire. 

[tp4tissue]

What do you guys think the "Surprise" is? All over the news today.

Like Surprise!!, ahrant had nvks this whole time, byebye 1sra3l,


That would be really, really bad. Oil will be MESSED UP come tomorrow.

[fohat.digs]

I just can't believe that the US is STILL so utterly obsessed

Trump is a troglodyte, and his sycophants are enthralled to him. They are beyond obedient - they spend time dreaming up new ways to stroke his ego and curry his favor.

Somehow, the Republicans appealed to the troglodyte/monkey brains of enough voters to secure public office, and now they are drunk with the power that they find themselves holding. 

Endless wars in the Middle East is one thing that the overwhelming majority of Americans are completely sick and tired of. Go figure.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 does not believe fohat's vision is accurate.

The current state of US government, THROUGH citizens united,  is that every country can BUY direct political influence.

So, every foreign nation has their hands IN OUR system. 


The US does not have a cohesive strategy, it's a Corporate free for all.

[fohat.digs]

The US does not have a cohesive strategy, it's a Corporate free for all.

this, now, unfortunately is true.

[tp4tissue]

Ok, some good news.

There probably is NO SURPRISE, this may have been tabloid circulation according to more metered sources.

[tp4tissue]

Getting involved is dangerous for 'muri(a,

The main issue is, money, oil, and TIME.

Oil does not regenerate, we're seeing heavy contraction in production world wide, not just mideeeast. We can print money to pave over the problem in the "economic" accounting, but we can't PRINT MORE OIL, once you use it, it's gone.

So, while (h1na builds Smelters, Mining and Transport+Power infrastructure,  we drive this giant navy around accomplishing nothing.


This is exacttttly what happened to the Roman empire, they had a giant military over extension, and their economy clapped eventually because of internal logistical failures.


1sr4 lll ,  is also fundamentally, just a nicer 'murica owned military base.  It's very hard to let it go, it shouldn't have been built there in the first place.   Its PURPOSE, is to watch over the mideeesstet oil fields and ensure US control.     This was always fragile, and it only worked okk, before the rest of the m1d eazz Teched-Up.

We probably have to leave those carriers there permanently unless we're willing to do another iriq/afghnistin.   WHICH, Kind of Expensive, and our economy is alredy kinda trashed.

[fohat.digs]

Silo the TV series

[iri]

This whole situation is a yet another reminder that the "international community" works on the 'might is right' principle. And you better have a lot of AD when they come with their unprovoked, illegal bombings.

[fohat.digs]

It is starting to look like Iran cleared out the area in expectation of what happened.
With Bibi and Donnie needing distractions, it was probably an easy decision.

[tp4tissue]

It is starting to look like cleared out the area in expectation of what happened.
With needing distractions, it was probably an easy decision.

Fohat, Tp4 understands the fohat iz old,  but fohat must read between the lines, 

NOW we have to Noo  ksss,  ran ran,  because they moveeeed it,  they movvvved the nkss, m0ar bo |\/\ s

[tp4tissue]

Ok.... some context,

Maga is now saying, the "intelligence" community has clearly stated that eee ranto isn't developn' n ks,   And so, the reason 1rel says we go to war is BS.

Ok, correct, going to war is BS, it's unwinnable given the large is lmc population that exists in the region,    but eee ranto is absolutely developing n ks,   THERE IS ABSOLUTELY ZERO other reason to refine fissl matreal.

Every single n ks power company has gone bankrupt, before being rescued by govnmnt' taxes, then absorbed into the nationlized structure.

N ks , is the most expensive and most inefficient form of electricity generation, and it creates waste which is so dirty, that it represents an existential threat all its own.