Author Topic: MX-brown, Impressions + Hate thread (Read 25109 times)

quickcrx702 · « **Reply #50 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 20:42:43 »

Quote from: rknize;548108

My two cents: if you want tactile, get a Model M. Nothing compares. If you want to quiet it down a tad, do a grease or "floss" mod. I've done both.

I challenge you to type on a 55g Topre and still say that. If you like heavy switches with great tactility, but also like quiet switches, you will love the 55g. I would actually say that to me the 55g feels more tactile than my unicomp with buckling springs. The 45g however, I wouldn't recommend, I'm still trying to get used to it. You wouldn't think that only 10g would make such a huge difference, but it really is night and day.

notnay · « **Reply #51 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 20:56:28 »

Has anyone gone from blues-> browns and acutally been happy with the switch? Currently on blues, but about to snag another board, was thinking browns.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #52 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 21:06:02 »

Quote from: notnay;548340

Has anyone gone from blues-> browns and acutally been happy with the switch? Currently on blues, but about to snag another board, was thinking browns.

I've had both plus reds and clears. Love browns. I don't like the high pitched whine that blues give off when they click. THey are ok to type on but not my best.

I prefer ergo clears.

rknize · « **Reply #53 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 21:22:53 »

Quote from: quickcrx702;548332

I challenge you to type on a 55g Topre and still say that. If you like heavy switches with great tactility, but also like quiet switches, you will love the 55g. I would actually say that to me the 55g feels more tactile than my unicomp with buckling springs. The 45g however, I wouldn't recommend, I'm still trying to get used to it. You wouldn't think that only 10g would make such a huge difference, but it really is night and day.

I have not been able to stomach the cost of a RealForce, so i can't really respond to that. Having tried so many keyboards now, I always find my old Model M the easiest and most comfortable to type on. However, that may just be due to the fact that I have been using it for so many years. Having said that, I do notice that it takes more effort to type on it than my other boards. When typing from muscle memory (i'm a programmer), I can really crank on it.

At this point, I'm just having fun switching things up once in a while.

xquisit · « **Reply #54 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 21:28:40 »

I'm having such a hard time deciding, without ever trying browns (just black/red/blue).

I would like to have one keyboard, and not purchase any. I actually liked the click the blues gave off on the BKU, that I tried at Frys, and I was wondering if it would get annoying after weeks/months/years of use. I'd like to someday buy an ipad or laptop and use a TKL keyboard with them (even though I REALLY like scissor switches). I can imagine late night gaming or bringing my keyboard to class/library and end up annoying everyone within 20ft of my blue switches.

No idea what to do, I wish I could try a brown :|

lightsout714 · « **Reply #55 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 21:36:44 »

Brown is very similar to reds when you are typing fast. Theres just a small rough feeling in the keypress with the browns.

yttrium · « **Reply #56 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 21:39:33 »

Agreed, reds and browns are similar in many fashions.

xquisit · « **Reply #57 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 21:56:16 »

In that case, I don't need to try browns. My first keyboard will be a blue. Thanks.

yttrium · « **Reply #58 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 21:58:29 »

They're different, but they are similar.

Check the wiki for what I mean.

quickcrx702 · « **Reply #59 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 22:00:51 »

Quote from: rknize;548368

I have not been able to stomach the cost of a RealForce, so i can't really respond to that. Having tried so many keyboards now, I always find my old Model M the easiest and most comfortable to type on. However, that may just be due to the fact that I have been using it for so many years. Having said that, I do notice that it takes more effort to type on it than my other boards. When typing from muscle memory (i'm a programmer), I can really crank on it.

At this point, I'm just having fun switching things up once in a while.

I agree, the cost really is very high. However, if you buy one, you will wonder why you ever spent so much money trying out other keyboards. I find more enjoyment in my 55g than I do on my mx blue, brown, and unicomp put together.

quickcrx702 · « **Reply #60 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 22:05:38 »

Quote from: xquisit;548403

In that case, I don't need to try browns. My first keyboard will be a blue. Thanks.

The blue really is a good choice if you don't mind the noise. Some people never get annoyed by the noise, and actually find it quite enjoyable. I gave my blue board to my buddy as a permanent loaner maybe a month or two ago, instead of having it sit in my garage, and he absolutely loves the noise. Like I said earlier, the noise is actually quite nice to me, but only in small doses.

silat · « **Reply #61 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 22:10:14 »

Quote from: tp4tissue;547937

correction,, they're the Best for typing.

In your opinion.

yttrium · « **Reply #62 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 22:13:29 »

Quote from: silat;548423

In your opinion.

This.

demik · « **Reply #63 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 22:17:45 »

i can tolerate just about any switch besides red and black.

blue being my favorite. possibly being over taken by green once a get a board with either ghetto greens or actual greens.

anselben · « **Reply #64 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 22:57:52 »

I really enjoy typing on the blues. They feel great to me, and I don't mind the noise at all. I'm wondering how much I'd like different switches after reading all of these split opinions on here.

xquisit · « **Reply #65 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 23:18:28 »

Would like to try Topre someday, but first I'll worry about ordering my first mechanical keyboard tonight!

anselben · « **Reply #66 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 23:28:27 »

Quote from: xquisit;548472

Would like to try Topre someday, but first I'll worry about ordering my first mechanical keyboard tonight!

What are you getting?

xquisit · « **Reply #67 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 23:32:48 »

KBT-RACE /w Blues

anselben · « **Reply #68 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 23:39:53 »

awesome, enjoy

sam113101 · « **Reply #69 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 23:47:39 »

Quote from: notnay;548340

Has anyone gone from blues-> browns and acutally been happy with the switch? Currently on blues, but about to snag another board, was thinking browns.

I HATE blues but love browns! And yes, I tried blues first.

andyhoang · « **Reply #70 on:** Fri, 16 March 2012, 23:54:51 »

Ergonomics > Brown

anselben · « **Reply #71 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 00:17:25 »

Wondering what would be better to try next. brown, black, or red.. i could just deal with returning it each time if i don't like it lol

daerid · « **Reply #72 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 00:24:15 »

Browns were my favorite by far, for a long time. But I will say that the more I type on this RealForce, the more I like it.

anselben · « **Reply #73 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 00:42:28 »

What exactly do you like about the browns?

daerid · « **Reply #74 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 01:12:32 »

They just feel more solid. I like s good solid feel to my keyswitches. I found that while I did like blues, the tactile point and click were almost too sharp. It felt "thin". That's the best way I can describe it. Browns had a bit more of a solid feel to them (probably because I bottom them out a bit more). I like the deeper sound they make rather than the high pitched "click" of the blues. It's more of a "clack". Also, the slight tactile point gives me feedback that the switch is actually doing something.

However, I've found that as far as Cherry switches go, it depends on what I'm doing. For gaming, I definitely prefer the reds. But for working/writing, browns followed by blues.

Although I'm really, really starting to think that I might end up preferring Topre to all of 'em.

xquisit · « **Reply #75 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 01:14:40 »

I have a feeling I will end up buying more mechanical keyboards, after this first one >>

lightsout714 · « **Reply #76 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 01:17:42 »

Quote from: daerid;548607

They just feel more solid. I like s good solid feel to my keyswitches. I found that while I did like blues, the tactile point and click were almost too sharp. It felt "thin". That's the best way I can describe it. Browns had a bit more of a solid feel to them (probably because I bottom them out a bit more). I like the deeper sound they make rather than the high pitched "click" of the blues. It's more of a "clack". Also, the slight tactile point gives me feedback that the switch is actually doing something.

However, I've found that as far as Cherry switches go, it depends on what I'm doing. For gaming, I definitely prefer the reds. But for working/writing, browns followed by blues.

Although I'm really, really starting to think that I might end up preferring Topre to all of 'em.

That's probably the main thing I don't like about blues. They have sort of a flimsy feel to them imo. I also like a solid feel.

anselben · « **Reply #77 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 01:18:39 »

Quote from: daerid;548607

They just feel more solid. I like s good solid feel to my keyswitches. I found that while I did like blues, the tactile point and click were almost too sharp. It felt "thin". That's the best way I can describe it. Browns had a bit more of a solid feel to them (probably because I bottom them out a bit more). I like the deeper sound they make rather than the high pitched "click" of the blues. It's more of a "clack". Also, the slight tactile point gives me feedback that the switch is actually doing something.

However, I've found that as far as Cherry switches go, it depends on what I'm doing. For gaming, I definitely prefer the reds. But for working/writing, browns followed by blues.

Although I'm really, really starting to think that I might end up preferring Topre to all of 'em.

That's interesting. I know what you mean with the blues, and now I'm excited to try the browns and see how I like them. Would even be possible to replace my blue keyboard with them if i like em that much! But yeah, I definitely want to try the reds, I've heard they're great for gaming and all that.

daerid · « **Reply #78 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 01:21:43 »

Quote from: xquisit;548612

I have a feeling I will end up buying more mechanical keyboards, after this first one >>

Oh definitely, you will. My current 5 are after a 3 month bout last year that saw me blow through $1000 and end up with 11 boards, and then I turned around and sold all but 2, and then I gradually replaced them. I'm happy with my current lineup tho (we'll see how long that lasts).

xquisit · « **Reply #79 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 01:30:00 »

Quote from: daerid;548619

Oh definitely, you will. My current 5 are after a 3 month bout last year that saw me blow through $1000 and end up with 11 boards, and then I turned around and sold all but 2, and then I gradually replaced them. I'm happy with my current lineup tho (we'll see how long that lasts).

I dig your setup, and I wish I could try browns... I'm just not worried, with the amount of time I'm spending on this forum I know I'll pick up the "bug" to buy more.

I actually want to try Ergo Clears as well!
Where can I buy a ghetto keyboard with clears for cheap? I'm anticipating on learning how to solder/desolder and modify my first keyboard.

Mugen · « **Reply #80 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 01:32:59 »

Red ftw.
Blues are awesome because when you play SC2 with them it makes you feel like a boss!

anselben · « **Reply #81 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 01:37:16 »

Quote from: Mugen;548629

Red ftw.
Blues are awesome because when you play SC2 with them it makes you feel like a boss!

Haha that's exactly how I feel. Even If I am terrible and get dominated.. at least it sounds cool

xquisit · « **Reply #82 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 01:40:49 »

yeah, the first time I heard the sound.. I liked it!

Tony · « **Reply #83 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 02:19:53 »

I watch enormous egos fighting and hating each other, different switches do not argue, just click.

Who dares to be holier than almighty me?

nocturn4l3030 · « **Reply #84 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 04:35:29 »

i used to think that too, but after typing on reds for a while, that "tactile bump" feels damn nice

Surly73 · « **Reply #85 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 08:18:36 »

Quote from: rknize;548108

My two cents: if you want tactile, get a Model M. Nothing compares. If you want to quiet it down a tad, do a grease or "floss" mod. I've done both.

Shockingly, if you remove the sound from the equation, a model M isn't as tactile as you think. I've put lots of miles on my Model M, I'm not saying they're bad, but a Realforce 55g is FAR more tactile than a model M in terms of "pop". Put headphones on and 2/3 of model M characteristics are gone.

And, BTW, I'm not any faster on my M than I am on browns. The opposite, in fact.

yttrium · « **Reply #86 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 11:54:15 »

No need to be elitest, ripster.

Roguemaster8 · « **Reply #87 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 11:57:47 »

Quote from: ripster;548797

You noobs should have been around when Geekhack had REAL HATE threads.

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slytown · « **Reply #88 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 14:40:26 »

If you like Reds I don't understand not liking browns.

enoy21 · « **Reply #89 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 16:48:51 »

I like both Blues and browns but browns are my preference. I use them both frequently for different rolls.

Blues for typing at work all day and pissing off my neighboring officemates and Browns for everything else at home.
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As you can see in my sig I tried reds and while they were ok , the lack of the 55g slight tactile bump made them feel too soft for me. That barely distinguishable tactile bump is actually 10g worth of force difference.

Inf3rn0_44 · « **Reply #90 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 16:54:50 »

Quote from: bbbbqq;547380

mx brown, the most overrated switch of all.

So very true. MX Browns feel like ****. That is why they are Brown.

xquisit · « **Reply #91 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 16:58:45 »

So what about Ergo Clears, they are like browns and feel more firm? I'd really like to know the difference between the feel of clears vs ergo clears (I believe the ergo is from it using red/blue/brown switches?)

jayeph · « **Reply #92 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 17:29:18 »

having used both, my opinion is that the browns feel and sound much better

RC-1140 · « **Reply #93 on:** Sat, 17 March 2012, 17:44:27 »

Quote from: xquisit;549145

So what about Ergo Clears, they are like browns and feel more firm? I'd really like to know the difference between the feel of clears vs ergo clears (I believe the ergo is from it using red/blue/brown switches?)

Well, the Clears use one of the stiffest springs of all the Cherry MX switches. After typing for a while your fingers will fatigue. ErgoClears have the much lighter spring of the Red/Blue/Browns, so they are much more fun to type on for longer periods. And if you buy a keyboard with PCB mounted switches as basis for your modding project, you don't even have to solder. PCB mounted switches can be opened without desoldering them.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #94 on:** Sun, 18 March 2012, 00:25:11 »

Quote from: Inf3rn0_44;549139

So very true. MX Browns feel like ****. That is why they are Brown.

Bwahahahahaha.....

xquisit · « **Reply #95 on:** Sun, 18 March 2012, 01:14:24 »

Quote from: RC-1140;549192

Well, the Clears use one of the stiffest springs of all the Cherry MX switches. After typing for a while your fingers will fatigue. ErgoClears have the much lighter spring of the Red/Blue/Browns, so they are much more fun to type on for longer periods. And if you buy a keyboard with PCB mounted switches as basis for your modding project, you don't even have to solder. PCB mounted switches can be opened without desoldering them.

Unfortunately/fortunately (I want to learn to solder), I pre-ordered a KBT Race /w Blue switches. I believe I'd have to de-solder the LEDs to remove the switch (it is PCB mounted).

I bought a $15 kit from Frys - it's a learn-to-solder kit and I'll be making a european siren!

Matias · « **Reply #96 on:** Sun, 18 March 2012, 03:07:40 »

I'm no fan of Cherry switches. They all feel cheap IMO, but if I were to choose, I'd pick the Reds. I can type fast on those, and their linear force curve is light enough not to get in the way.

The Browns feel like you're running through mud -- loud mud. The Blues are barely tactile. I've used rubber dome keyboards that felt better than either of these.

RC-1140 · « **Reply #97 on:** Sun, 18 March 2012, 06:08:36 »

Quote from: xquisit;549510

Unfortunately/fortunately (I want to learn to solder), I pre-ordered a KBT Race /w Blue switches. I believe I'd have to de-solder the LEDs to remove the switch (it is PCB mounted).

I bought a $15 kit from Frys - it's a learn-to-solder kit and I'll be making a european siren!

Yup, that means you have to desolder the LEDs. But that shouldn't be as time consuming as desoldering the whole switches. And you should also get one of those: http://www.frys.com/product/6582353?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

You will need it to remove the solder.

xquisit · « **Reply #98 on:** Sun, 18 March 2012, 06:23:04 »

Quote from: RC-1140;549590

Yup, that means you have to desolder the LEDs. But that shouldn't be as time consuming as desoldering the whole switches. And you should also get one of those: http://www.frys.com/product/6582353?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

You will need it to remove the solder.

I'll do the european siren kit, and then buy that. I just hope theirs a youtube video on this, and a guide (I'm sure there is, I'm just not even ready to search it).

Surly73 · « **Reply #99 on:** Sun, 18 March 2012, 06:48:25 »

Quote from: xquisit;549145

So what about Ergo Clears, they are like browns and feel more firm? I'd really like to know the difference between the feel of clears vs ergo clears (I believe the ergo is from it using red/blue/brown switches?)

The clear stem is supposed to provide a much more prevalent tactile "bump". I haven't tried them (yet) but I expect that they'll be more like Realforce switches that have a "pop" in them that you can still feel as a "pop" when typing at speed.

Everyone needs to also remember that Cherry calls the brown switch "ergonomic" and not "tactile". Other people have called browns "tactile". If Cherry never meant them to be dubbed tactile, perhaps we shouldn't bash them and their switch for not being highly tactile - they were never meant to be highly tactile.

Based on my previous posts about how the brown's bump is enough to train the brain but not enough to feel like a bump (unless compared to a linear) I think that "ergonomic" is an excellent term to use. These properties are also probably why companies like Kinesis have used the brown all along.

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