I'm just going to say it....

[tp4tissue]

Fck every keyboard that is not an Ergodox....

After a few days with this thing... There is no going back...

All of my shoulder and wrist pains have subsided, I could literally type for hours with no discomfort.

The board feels decently solid while being extremely quiet due to the thick acrylic plate; this as opposed to steel plates which make boards sturdier but also much louder.

I can't say enough good things about straight column keys... I now only need to bend my fingers, and my wrist is consistently at rest..

I am done wasting money on stupid key caps for stupid old staggered qwerty.. I am done buying the same rehashed inefficient pieces of yesterday.  Every keyboard I've bought up till now had been identically flawed...

All of that fancy aluminum is just a gilded cage that GHers have trapped themselves in... open a window, see the light...




To anyone who clings to the $1000 dollars they've spent accumulating old tech, I feel for you, but facts are facts, The Ergodox is superior in every way in terms of usability....

for anyone getting into mechanical keyboards, from here on, I would consider anything outside of the Ergodox a mistake...

[SpAmRaY]

So when are you selling off all your other stuff?

[tp4tissue]

So when are you selling off all your other stuff?

giving them away to people around me

it's really not that much..  i consider myself lucky that I haven't gone as deep down that rabbit hole as some others have...  Regardless, salvation is possible at any depth....

Get an ergodox, and you shall be saved......... )

[DrinkTea]

OK, then when are we going to see these produced at a larger scale. If they're great, we need to market them and production needs to be scaled up. Looking at it, there's no reason this should cost much more than a standard keyboard. And I agree that we're clinging to old technology. Even having the arrow keys and numpad on the right seems to be a vestige of days before mice.

[morpheus]

At first, I thought it looked ridiculous, kind of like those ancient ergo boards of the past. But I just imagined myself typing on one and for some reason the concept started to grow on me. I think if I ever had the funds and time, I might get one someday.

[tp4tissue]

At first, I thought it looked ridiculous, kind of like those ancient ergo boards of the past. But I just imagined myself typing on one and for some reason the concept started to grow on me. I think if I ever had the funds and time, I might get one someday.

you have an fc660 in your sig,, that could've been an ergo dox...   I built 2 ergodoxes in only 6 hours.. this includes lubing one of them, and ergo mod on both.

[tp4tissue]

OK, then when are we going to see these produced at a larger scale. If they're great, we need to market them and production needs to be scaled up. Looking at it, there's no reason this should cost much more than a standard keyboard. And I agree that we're clinging to old technology. Even having the arrow keys and numpad on the right seems to be a vestige of days before mice.

The issue with staggered qwerty is that it's entrenched in people's minds...

People can't imagine a keyboard outside of the rectangle...


We really have to get this thing out on an early primary school level...  government contract...

[1391406]

People can't imagine a keyboard outside of the rectangle...

I can, but I'm not spending 3 hours building one. If they came pre-assembled and had a return policy, I'd consider ordering.

[fohat.digs]

I use a desktop and a laptop, and "maintain" (arrgh, the pain) computers for half a dozen people, so, as I get older, I get more and more resistant to "odd" layouts that confuse my fingers.

One day, when it is just me, and no number-crunching, I intend to ditch the number pad and convert to Colemak.

[DrinkTea]

People can't imagine a keyboard outside of the rectangle...

I can, but I'm not spending 3 hours building one. If they came pre-assembled and had a return policy, I'd consider ordering.

Exactly the point. People buy funky shaped "ergonomic" keyboards all the time. Anyway, if anyone actually wants to start a business selling these, let me know and we'll see what can be done. Otherwise, don't complain.

[Jagriff]

I love everything about my ergodox. I especially like the fact that I built it myself.

[DrinkTea]

I love everything about my ergodox. I especially like the fact that I built it myself.

And you can continue to do that. I believe the design is public domain? But realistically, there's likely a much larger market of people who want it or could be convinced to want it if it were pre assembled. And on top of that, economies of scale might make it even cheaper, even before accounting for the value of your time.

[vun]

I love everything about my ergodox. I especially like the fact that I built it myself.

And you can continue to do that. I believe the design is public domain? But realistically, there's likely a much larger market of people who want it or could be convinced to want it if it were pre assembled. And on top of that, economies of scale might make it even cheaper, even before accounting for the value of your time.

Count me in amongst the people who would be interested in a pre-assembled one. It looks like a great keyboard, but having to get the parts, find someone else to build it for me, source caps etc. was far too much work for me, especially when I don't live in the US.
So yeah, if someone starts selling these already assembled I would most likely buy one straight away.

[MJ45]

I'm going to hold out until a Topre version Ergodox. That would be very nice, there's always hope. 

[DrinkTea]

I'm going to hold out until a Topre version Ergodox. That would be very nice, there's always hope.

If I'm not mistaken they don't sell their switches as easily as Cherry. Yet another reason to try and make a real business of this. Because if there's demand, guess what, it is more likely to be made than by sitting around wishing.

[Jagriff]

I love everything about my ergodox. I especially like the fact that I built it myself.

And you can continue to do that. I believe the design is public domain? But realistically, there's likely a much larger market of people who want it or could be convinced to want it if it were pre assembled. And on top of that, economies of scale might make it even cheaper, even before accounting for the value of your time.

Well of course it would be more popular if it were preassembled. I wouldn't have hesitated to get one for as long as I did if I didn't have to go through the trouble of learning how to solder, purchasing an iron, and doing other prep work for the assembly. Despite of that, I am glad that I ended up putting it together.

[tp4tissue]

I love everything about my ergodox. I especially like the fact that I built it myself.

And you can continue to do that. I believe the design is public domain? But realistically, there's likely a much larger market of people who want it or could be convinced to want it if it were pre assembled. And on top of that, economies of scale might make it even cheaper, even before accounting for the value of your time.

Well of course it would be more popular if it were preassembled. I wouldn't have hesitated to get one for as long as I did if I didn't have to go through the trouble of learning how to solder, purchasing an iron, and doing other prep work for the assembly. Despite of that, I am glad that I ended up putting it together.

Laziness is not an excuse for not getting an ergo dox.... if you use a computer daily,, this thing is life-changing... It helps you use the computer MOREEE.... which I didn't think was posssible... I feel like I'm putting in 20 hours on my PC despite only being awake for 16..

[DrinkTea]

How is it lazy to want specialization of labor and economies of scale to work in your favor. I'm offering to help start a business selling these damn things but I need someone with more specific domain knowledge to work with.

[tp4tissue]

How is it lazy to want specialization of labor and economies of scale to work in your favor. I'm offering to help start a business selling these damn things but I need someone with more specific domain knowledge to work with.

DrinkTea, You're think further ahead than possible with this type of thing... There are many roadblocks that can only be solved with TIME, and if you really want to put in your share of the deed,  Assemble an ergodox, and feel the wonder... then tell your face book friends..

[DrinkTea]

How? The designs exist. What are essentially prototypes exist. So what it needed is to assess and create demand and figure out what the costs of manufacturing at scale would be and then get some contracts in place. After that, you can probably set up a kickstarter and even people who have never heard of mechanical keyboards would buy one.

And tell me, what are these roadblocks? It's easy to say why something can't be done and just forget about it. Or, you can figure out how to do it. But let me tell you, waiting around won't.
Now, do you want to help, or not?

[tp4tissue]

I use a desktop and a laptop, and "maintain" (arrgh, the pain) computers for half a dozen people, so, as I get older, I get more and more resistant to "odd" layouts that confuse my fingers.

One day, when it is just me, and no number-crunching, I intend to ditch the number pad and convert to Colemak.

well, yea, you may feel this way as an older gent... but I think you got a good 30 years left where your fingers still work.. This is where the ergodox comes in...  it took all of 5 days for me to return to 110wpm... from standard staggered qwerty...

I think many people are assuming that it would far more effort than it actually does to make the switch...  The ergodox, is highly intuitive....

yes it requires practice, but this is a change you'll make for the rest of your life, not a set piece for your memories...

[gameaholic]

WTB Titanium case ergodox.

[tp4tissue]

How? The designs exist. What are essentially prototypes exist. So what it needed is to assess and create demand and figure out what the costs of manufacturing at scale would be and then get some contracts in place. After that, you can probably set up a kickstarter and even people who have never heard of mechanical keyboards would buy one.

And tell me, what are these roadblocks? It's easy to say why something can't be done and just forget about it. Or, you can figure out how to do it. But let me tell you, waiting around won't.
Now, do you want to help, or not?

The poison in our system is that schools are teaching typing at an early age on staggered qwerty.... This means we would need an adventurous user to buy this keyboard.

Ontop of that RSI injuries do not occur when you're younger, it's only after years of abusing your own body all through adolescence that you come to the realization that, ****, I need an ergodox...

BY then, You're like the rest of the lazy people making excuses here, oh I don't have the time, it's too much effort...   this is the entrenchment of staggered qwerty.

[tp4tissue]

WTB Titanium case ergodox.

I think this gilded pen thing really needs to stop... it's a serious waste of money and resources to produce luxury products..

Luxury and the cravings for it is a throwback to our lesser learned ancestors... they pilled heaps of rock to determine status, and when everyone had rocks, someone started carving them.... and when all the rocks were carved.... so on and so on, the nervous bourgeois starts stepping over each other because it creates the necessary evil to abhor against their false idol...


This is not representative of the ergodox.... the ergodox is like the invention of the wheelbarrow... it gets you from A to B better than a sled....

[DrinkTea]

How? The designs exist. What are essentially prototypes exist. So what it needed is to assess and create demand and figure out what the costs of manufacturing at scale would be and then get some contracts in place. After that, you can probably set up a kickstarter and even people who have never heard of mechanical keyboards would buy one.

And tell me, what are these roadblocks? It's easy to say why something can't be done and just forget about it. Or, you can figure out how to do it. But let me tell you, waiting around won't.
Now, do you want to help, or not?

The poison in our system is that schools are teaching typing at an early age on staggered qwerty.... This means we would need an adventurous user to buy this keyboard.

Ontop of that RSI injuries do not occur when you're younger, it's only after years of abusing your own body all through adolescence that you come to the realization that, ****, I need an ergodox...

BY then, You're like the rest of the lazy people making excuses here, oh I don't have the time, it's too much effort...   this is the entrenchment of staggered qwerty.

You're really harping on this school thing. It's not as relevant as you think. Remember those weird wave shaped "ergonomic" keyboards by microsoft and the like. Those were popular, and nonstandard. If I remember coorectly, they were quite "fashionable" in the late 90's and early 2000's. Seriously, if you market it well and charge a reasonable price, people will buy it.
But if you just sit around being a "****ing ****less *******" (look it up, I didn't invent it) then nothing will ever change. Now, do you want to help or do you want to sit around talking about what you think can't be done.

[tp4tissue]

How? The designs exist. What are essentially prototypes exist. So what it needed is to assess and create demand and figure out what the costs of manufacturing at scale would be and then get some contracts in place. After that, you can probably set up a kickstarter and even people who have never heard of mechanical keyboards would buy one.

And tell me, what are these roadblocks? It's easy to say why something can't be done and just forget about it. Or, you can figure out how to do it. But let me tell you, waiting around won't.
Now, do you want to help, or not?

The poison in our system is that schools are teaching typing at an early age on staggered qwerty.... This means we would need an adventurous user to buy this keyboard.

Ontop of that RSI injuries do not occur when you're younger, it's only after years of abusing your own body all through adolescence that you come to the realization that, ****, I need an ergodox...

BY then, You're like the rest of the lazy people making excuses here, oh I don't have the time, it's too much effort...   this is the entrenchment of staggered qwerty.

You're really harping on this school thing. It's not as relevant as you think. Remember those weird wave shaped "ergonomic" keyboards by microsoft and the like. Those were popular, and nonstandard. If I remember coorectly, they were quite "fashionable" in the late 90's and early 2000's. Seriously, if you market it well and charge a reasonable price, people will buy it.
But if you just sit around being a "****ing ****less *******" (look it up, I didn't invent it) then nothing will ever change. Now, do you want to help or do you want to sit around talking about what you think can't be done.

What is your occupation sir... and what do you plan to do...  lets hear this grand scheme you've got.

[DrinkTea]

It's not a grand scheme.
Personally, I'm a statistician. Well, ok, a grad student. But that's not the point.
I already have one project in the production pipeline. It's not a keyboard, but it is another piece of computer equipment. Prototypes are being built now. It's really all about finding the right people. In that case, PCB design was needed, but this is even easier. I also have a few manufacturing connections.

But more importantly, what I've learned from the other project so far, is that none of that matters. All that matters is that if you have a good idea, and you're friendly but tenacious, people will hear out out. Just go out there and contact people and don't stop until you get an answer. The fact is that there are places that can build this. You just need to talk to them. Then, you can nail down costs. As for surveying the market, doing financial feasibility analysis and whatnot, I have the knowledge and numeracy to do that. And, really, if you're risk averse, you can nail down manufacturing contracts contingent on something like kickstarter. That way, for the fee they charge, you get a little peace of mind knowing that you'll only make it if you sell a minimum quantity.

And by the way, no one's going to get it if you just go around yelling at them about how great it is. You need to show, not tell.
Now, help out or get out of the way. And I think I'm done here. Not upset by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
And if anyone's interested, please PM me.

[daerid]

For once I might end up agreeing with TP. The more I sit here looking at my unfinished ErgoDox the more I feel like the layout will really work for me. However, the 40A O-rings I have actually don't do jack for the DSA caps it comes with. I'd like to find some relatively soft O-rings that will work with the DSA caps and Clears.

[DrinkTea]

By the way, I just want to add a little lesson I learned recently. All of us students gave presentations and were talking to some professors after. And one of them said something to the extent of, anyone can find something wrong with research, but it's a lot harder to see what's right in it. And generally, I think that holds true. Anyone can sit around criticizing something, saying why it's bad and can't be done and the like. Kind of like the zealotry in the smartphone "wars". It's easy to talk about what the platform you don't like can't do. But anyone can insult. It's a lot harder to see things for what they are and talk about the negatives only in the context of real solutions.

Also, shut your troll hole. I just wanted to say that because it sounds silly and rhymes. hehe

[tp4tissue]

It's not a grand scheme.
Personally, I'm a statistician. Well, ok, a grad student. But that's not the point.
I already have one project in the production pipeline. It's not a keyboard, but it is another piece of computer equipment. Prototypes are being built now. It's really all about finding the right people. In that case, PCB design was needed, but this is even easier. I also have a few manufacturing connections.

But more importantly, what I've learned from the other project so far, is that none of that matters. All that matters is that if you have a good idea, and you're friendly but tenacious, people will hear out out. Just go out there and contact people and don't stop until you get an answer. The fact is that there are places that can build this. You just need to talk to them. Then, you can nail down costs. As for surveying the market, doing financial feasibility analysis and whatnot, I have the knowledge and numeracy to do that. And, really, if you're risk averse, you can nail down manufacturing contracts contingent on something like kickstarter. That way, for the fee they charge, you get a little peace of mind knowing that you'll only make it if you sell a minimum quantity.

And by the way, no one's going to get it if you just go around yelling at them about how great it is. You need to show, not tell.
Now, help out or get out of the way. And I think I'm done here. Not upset by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
And if anyone's interested, please PM me.

Your agenda and motivation is profit... this is fine...

I don't know why you consider me in the way, if anything I'm doing the promotion for free and out of the fact that i know others suffer wrist and shoulder pain.

My only intention had been to inform.. my only motivation out of charity... if you want to go talk down to someone, talk to someone who's actively harming society... I do not deserve this crap from you..

Don't be so full of yourself

[badcop]

Learning how to solder with a 15 dollar radio shack iron really isn't that hard. Watch a YouTube video and you'll have it in like 10 minutes. It should solve your problems...

[DrinkTea]

It's not a grand scheme.
Personally, I'm a statistician. Well, ok, a grad student. But that's not the point.
I already have one project in the production pipeline. It's not a keyboard, but it is another piece of computer equipment. Prototypes are being built now. It's really all about finding the right people. In that case, PCB design was needed, but this is even easier. I also have a few manufacturing connections.

But more importantly, what I've learned from the other project so far, is that none of that matters. All that matters is that if you have a good idea, and you're friendly but tenacious, people will hear out out. Just go out there and contact people and don't stop until you get an answer. The fact is that there are places that can build this. You just need to talk to them. Then, you can nail down costs. As for surveying the market, doing financial feasibility analysis and whatnot, I have the knowledge and numeracy to do that. And, really, if you're risk averse, you can nail down manufacturing contracts contingent on something like kickstarter. That way, for the fee they charge, you get a little peace of mind knowing that you'll only make it if you sell a minimum quantity.

And by the way, no one's going to get it if you just go around yelling at them about how great it is. You need to show, not tell.
Now, help out or get out of the way. And I think I'm done here. Not upset by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
And if anyone's interested, please PM me.

Your agenda and motivation is profit... this is fine...

I don't know why you consider me in the way, if anything I'm doing the promotion for free and out of the fact that i know others suffer wrist and shoulder pain.

My only intention had been to inform.. my only motivation out of charity... if you want to go talk down to someone, talk to someone who's actively harming society... I do not deserve this crap from you..

Don't be so full of yourself.

It's not all profit! This is a GOOD product. And if something is good, why not bring it to market. Profit just provides that little extra push! At least, that's how capitalism is supposed to work.

And I'm sorry, I didn't mean to talk down to you or hurt your feelings. I was just trying to psyche you up into helping out. Either way, good luck with your campaign. It does look like an interesting board. And if it does become a full fledged product, you'd be great as a product evangelist.

[tp4tissue]

It's not a grand scheme.
Personally, I'm a statistician. Well, ok, a grad student. But that's not the point.
I already have one project in the production pipeline. It's not a keyboard, but it is another piece of computer equipment. Prototypes are being built now. It's really all about finding the right people. In that case, PCB design was needed, but this is even easier. I also have a few manufacturing connections.

But more importantly, what I've learned from the other project so far, is that none of that matters. All that matters is that if you have a good idea, and you're friendly but tenacious, people will hear out out. Just go out there and contact people and don't stop until you get an answer. The fact is that there are places that can build this. You just need to talk to them. Then, you can nail down costs. As for surveying the market, doing financial feasibility analysis and whatnot, I have the knowledge and numeracy to do that. And, really, if you're risk averse, you can nail down manufacturing contracts contingent on something like kickstarter. That way, for the fee they charge, you get a little peace of mind knowing that you'll only make it if you sell a minimum quantity.

And by the way, no one's going to get it if you just go around yelling at them about how great it is. You need to show, not tell.
Now, help out or get out of the way. And I think I'm done here. Not upset by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
And if anyone's interested, please PM me.

Your agenda and motivation is profit... this is fine...

I don't know why you consider me in the way, if anything I'm doing the promotion for free and out of the fact that i know others suffer wrist and shoulder pain.

My only intention had been to inform.. my only motivation out of charity... if you want to go talk down to someone, talk to someone who's actively harming society... I do not deserve this crap from you..

Don't be so full of yourself.

It's not all profit! This is a GOOD product. And if something is good, why not bring it to market. Profit just provides that little extra push! At least, that's how capitalism is supposed to work.

And I'm sorry, I didn't mean to talk down to you or hurt your feelings. I was just trying to psyche you up into helping out. Either way, good luck with your campaign. It does look like an interesting board. And if it does become a full fledged product, you'd be great as a product evangelist.

Drink tea, we can be friends... now that we have gotten over being enemies...  I really do hope you understand that I am try to help..

[Glod]

i think it is implied that i agree with you on this topic

except i'm not getting rid of my other keyboards, because im enjoying putting these together and collecting.

[pprjr]

I am interested in a ergodox, but I do not want to assemble one, someone would be willing to sell a assembled to me or tell me where I can find to buy?

[typo]

well, I have a different experience. not because of my condition you may have just read about either. I can't even hunt and peck on this thing! I just cannot figure it out. it is like trying to do karate with no training. well to be honest I cannot even use a ms natural. the split layout just does not jive with my muscle memory or whatever. in fact I have mentioned many times recently I get the best performance with spherical keys on a qwerty. I do have a problem with modifiers but I can touch type alright. i may have never been really good and just accepted that. if i use the modifiers i slow to like 50wpm. this of course is all me though. i can tell that for a good typist the ergodox is very nice.

[tp4tissue]

well, I have a different experience. not because of my condition you may have just read about either. I can't even hunt and peck on this thing! I just cannot figure it out. it is like trying to do karate with no training. well to be honest I cannot even use a ms natural. the split layout just does not jive with my muscle memory or whatever. in fact I have mentioned many times recently I get the best performance with spherical keys on a qwerty. I do have a problem with modifiers but I can touch type alright. i may have never been really good and just accepted that. if i use the modifiers i slow to like 50wpm. this of course is all me though. i can tell that for a good typist the ergodox is very nice.

hey man, definitely keep at it..

I am 130-140 max on standard keyboard.

I switched 3 keys on the ergo dox to completely different positions  "b "p and "y.  along with numerous other lesser used keys.

First few days I was at 50wpm like you using the mods in new places, and the 3 new alpha placements... but by the third day I' completely had down the alpha placements, and only needed to get more used to the mods.

5th day I am back at 100+ on standard content.

[zoolzoo]

Ill just leave this here... Glod's ergodox.

sex

[y0fate]

Learning how to solder with a 15 dollar radio shack iron really isn't that hard. Watch a YouTube video and you'll have it in like 10 minutes. It should solve your problems...

Have to agree with this. This is exactly how I started (I actually think it was emore like $5, gotta love sales), but I went down to my Radio Shack picked up the cheapest soldering iron I could and went to work. I had to work with real small precise solders (Xbox controller) I had to solder a wire to the smallest little pin imaginable, practiced for about 5 minutes on some scraps and went to work.

[morpheus]

Not to derail the thread here, but I think the Kinesis Advantage may be more ergonomic than the Ergodox.

[1391406]

Laziness is not an excuse for not getting an ergo dox...

I'm late responding to this, but I feel compelled. Personally, I have no interest in spending 3 hours building something I'm not even sure I'll like.

[vivalarevolución]

Ya know, I usually hate to agree with anything tp4tissue has to say, but the design of the Ergodox could be revolutionary and have commercial appeal.  Just look at those group buys. My non keyboard acquiantances are even intrigued by the board.  If a big company gets a hold of this thing, it could be massive.

[vivalarevolución]

Not to derail the thread here, but I think the Kinesis Advantage may be more ergonomic than the Ergodox.

Yes those depressed key wells are better to type on, and the the thumb keys are in a better position but the split of the Ergodox is a great feature. 

But if you have tried a Maltron, then you realize the Kinesis Advantage is a knockoff of that board.   The only advantages of the Kinesis over Maltron is programmability and price.

[tp4tissue]

Not to derail the thread here, but I think the Kinesis Advantage may be more ergonomic than the Ergodox.

not nearly as versatile as the ergodox..

Kinesis has no width adjustment,    ergodox can be placed at any distance apart to exactly match your shoulder width.

Kinesis also does not support adjustable tenting..   Ergodox can be tented in any axis on both hands.

Kinesis is not open source or user programmable..

[CommunistWitchDr]

Kinesis is not open source or user programmable..

One of the models is. Maybe not as fully as dox with all the layers though.

[tp4tissue]

Here's my updated layout:

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The -_ is positioned so that I can hit it with the same motion as hitting space, which-is-very-appropriate.
I have easy access to ALT+F4 (on ~L1) and ALT+TAB isn't too unnatural.
HJKL (editing purposes) and WASD (screen hotkey purposes, such as WIN+Shift+Left) are arrow keys on the function layer.
Everything else is pretty self-explanatory.
The F1-F8 keys on layer 0 are there just because I cannot think of a better use for those keys.

Kinesis is not open source or user programmable..

One of the models is. Maybe not as fully as dox with all the layers though.

ALSO... You can COSTAR stabilizers to the thumb keys on the Edox.. can't do jack about it with the kinesis...

I just finished stab-in all 4 keys today.

To all edox owners, it makes a world of difference....  HIGHLY recommended..

Back spacing, and spacing are now much more responsive and less grindy.. 



Costar FTW

[daerid]

TP: Which stabs did you end up getting? I'm assuming you purchased them from WASD?

[tp4tissue]

TP: Which stabs did you end up getting? I'm assuming you purchased them from WASD?

what up D

wasd only sells costar.

Couple of steps as it is more complicated with the ergodox, but it absolutely works, and works well.... infact I'd argue it is superior on the ergodox, because there's slight room to adjust the stabilizers forward and backward to fit your key cap..


Step 1, cut front peg off completely,

Step 2, shave rear peg FLAT

step 3, check how wide your stabilizer hole is.

..........if hole is really wide.. use folded paper to tighten fit

..........if hole is only a little bit too loose.. use scotch tape

.................the reason you don't want to use tape if the hole is very loose is because you can't get the tape to conform around the inner seam of the stabilizer if there are too many layers.

you only need to add material to the INNER side of the stabilizer hole, the side towards the keyswitch.

DO NOT add material to front//back of the stabilizer, it is unnecessary.


Adjustment step_

If you have a costar stabilizer board, take one of the stabilized keys off, and look at the spacing.. just apply the same to the ergodox,

you can eyeball this... it requires up to .5 mm precision.. if you're off by more than that, the stabs might feel tight.



I do not recommend perma mounting using glue, because stabs wear out over time... and will require replacement.


cut like below

[daerid]

Ok cool. Just nabbed a bunch of 2x stab sets from WASD. Will try this when I put my Dox together this weekend. Thanks!

[Glod]

i like me ergodox sans stabilizers