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Offline BucklingSpring

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Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 10:54:48 »
I have been around for a while. I saw the birth of the Internet, growing up strong and become what it is today.

I always liked shareware/freeware sites offering pretty much anything you can dream of. Simtel was a great source. This morning I asked myself what ever happened to it. Long story short – Digital River who owned Simtel at the end, simply shut it down for lack of funding.

Everyone needs money… That's fine with me - but at what cost?

Once upon a time, not so far away, you could think of what you need, put some relevant keywords in a search engine and end up with what you want.

Imagine that – You go on a specialized site – click on the –beeping- download button and by some sort of magic, you get the product you expect on your disk ready to install.

Today, clicking on the obvious download button is just going to hack you for a ride and bring you everywhere except where you want to be. My poor mother who likes browsing and install what she thinks she needs get slapped every times. Now she calls me way too often for help.

Links are obfuscated; you can't even see what's under anymore. Shareware sites have their own downloaders and installers to bring even more junk to you. You now download the downloader, install the shareware client downloader and it downloads the shareware installer that might have, if you are lucky, the program you are looking for.

After the years, I developed tricks to avoid getting caught. A good one was to find the product home page and get it from there.

This morning one of my product homepage dropped me to the sharks and sent me to a site with 30 download buttons of all colors and shapes.

Am I the only annoyed by the big DOWNLOAD button?
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:00:33 »
apt-get install <whatever> <whatevernumbertwo> <somethingdifferentfromwhateveroneandtwo> <whateverwhateverwhatever>
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:01:27 »
You worked with Tim Berners-Lee?
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:04:56 »
Adblock and Ghostery might be a good start maybe if you're using firefox.
« Last Edit: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:06:32 by Halvar »
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:05:17 »
your mom needs 4 apps

microsoft word
winrar
vlc
firefox


why does she need anything else.
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:08:15 »
Is Tucows still around?
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Offline BucklingSpring

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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:11:16 »
Are there sites that doesn't endorse such nasty/ aggressive  advertising practice?

I want to promote sharewares that use "fair" marketing techniques.
Is there an association of those?

One successor of my beloved Simtel was TuCows. So far they have managed to stay relatively clean as far as junk ads and other things to fool the user into a trap.

Are there sites that doesn
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:11:40 »
You outtyped me :-)

Quote from: ray4jc on Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:08:15
Is Tucows still around?

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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:20:18 »
You want to give her a shout? Be my guest.

I recall my first attempt in mid 90's when she eared about Webshot and install it by herself.
Then she soon discovered streaming radios, choking her US Robotics 14.4 and wonder why.
And then... never ending story

Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:05:17
your mom needs 4 apps

microsoft word
winrar
vlc
firefox

why does she need anything else.

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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:34:47 »
Quote from: baldgye on Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:01:27
You worked with Tim Berners-Lee?
rather with leonard kleinrock. he said he saw the birth of the internet, not world wide web.
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(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:41:02 »
I feel the same way that you do.

Downloading garbageware is not a bad price to pay for getting something for free, in the grand scheme of things. I am not really too upset about running Revo Uninstaller regularly to clear out the trash, and accept it as the "pound of flesh" that some people require as payment for whatever else they give me.

Most upsetting to me are the stealth parasites that are hard to find and remove, even when you know that they are there.

And worse, like horrible 2-year-olds, they never "clean up after themselves" and leave everything reset they wanted it !

"Google.com" has been my home page for at least a decade, without exception, but I have to reset it monthly, if not weekly, because somebody, somehow, sneaked in and messed with it. And if I had a nickel for every "toolbar" that I have wasted many minutes uninstalling, I could practically retire.

TV ads infuriate me, too, after having a DVR for a couple of years it is now extremely painful to watch something "live" and not be able to skip through commercials. Sometimes I deliberately do something else to kill 10 minutes just to create enough slack to get around having to watch the ads.

First world problems.
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:42:09 »
Quote from: BucklingSpring on Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:11:16
Are there sites that doesn't endorse such nasty/ aggressive  advertising practice?

I want to promote sharewares that use "fair" marketing techniques.
Is there an association of those?

One successor of my beloved Simtel was TuCows. So far they have managed to stay relatively clean as far as junk ads and other things to fool the user into a trap.

Are there sites that doesn

FileHippo is fairly neat and clean.

And no, you're not the only one annoyed with all the obvious fake download buttons. I never fall for them, but they still piss me off.
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:46:30 »
Cnet's Download.com is quite useable IMO.

Here in Germany there's a bunch of computer magazines that host good freeware collections on their websites, namely heise.de, chip.de and computerbild.de . Maybe theres something like that in the US too.
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:48:14 »
Quote from: iri on Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:00:33
apt-get install <whatever> <whatevernumbertwo> <somethingdifferentfromwhateveroneandtwo> <whateverwhateverwhatever>

This, I switched to using linux exclusively after XP came out.  Haven't looked back.
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 12:34:22 »
@fohat.digs -> I have been a big fan of sandboxing pretty much anything new I try. VirtualBox is FREE and pretty decent. Not has hot as VMWare products, especially when it comes to 3D GPU emulation but for most standard apps... It's great. You can try first in a virtual environment to see how it goes and move to the real deal when confident.

I'm not familiar with Revo Uninstaller. Does it tracks/backups file changes (driver updates, etc) and registry changes?

Another trick - for sites that ask for email is using a provider that allows unlimited email aliases. With that you can create a one time use email without exposing your main email account to endless spam.

I like your suggestion... Maybe we should start a list of decent utility sites that are fairly clean.

TuCows
FileHippo
Cnet's Download.com
heise.de, chip.de and computerbild.de

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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 13:53:06 »
Gotta agree with the hunt-the-download-button.  I suspect eventually you'll see litigation or ad networks get too annoyed by it, like the old banners which resembled a WinXP dialog box and looked especially hilarious on a Linux machine.

What I find annoying are the "download will be automatically triggered" pages because they frequently work badly, if at all, on mobile devices.

Honestly, I wonder if there's a potential niche for Steam to expand into.  It's already got a reputation of "you can download stuff from it and it's going to be what you asked for"-- all they need is to stocking "ABC Trial Version" for free and "ABC Registered Version" as a paid download.
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 16 June 2013, 13:59:13 »
Quote from: Hak Foo on Sun, 16 June 2013, 13:53:06
Gotta agree with the hunt-the-download-button.  I suspect eventually you'll see litigation or ad networks get too annoyed by it, like the old banners which resembled a WinXP dialog box and looked especially hilarious on a Linux machine.

What I find annoying are the "download will be automatically triggered" pages because they frequently work badly, if at all, on mobile devices.

Honestly, I wonder if there's a potential niche for Steam to expand into.  It's already got a reputation of "you can download stuff from it and it's going to be what you asked for"-- all they need is to stocking "ABC Trial Version" for free and "ABC Registered Version" as a paid download.

Steam have started offering software, but so far it's mostly more expensive software, such as art software, budgeting software and some benchmarking software.
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 18 June 2013, 07:53:15 »
Most of the time where I am looking for some odd free utility to accomplish something, for example I had a need for a cue splitter recently, I always check sourceforge first. The site is not utterly annoying to use, and the downloads are always exactly what you are expecting it to be. Whether the programs works as expected can sometimes be another matter, but I digress.
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 18 June 2013, 08:23:14 »
Quote from: vun on Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:42:09
Quote from: BucklingSpring on Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:11:16
Are there sites that doesn't endorse such nasty/ aggressive  advertising practice?

I want to promote sharewares that use "fair" marketing techniques.
Is there an association of those?

One successor of my beloved Simtel was TuCows. So far they have managed to stay relatively clean as far as junk ads and other things to fool the user into a trap.

Are there sites that doesn

FileHippo is fairly neat and clean.

And no, you're not the only one annoyed with all the obvious fake download buttons. I never fall for them, but they still piss me off.
No custom installation options.

Here is one thing that pisses me off, everytime I update anything Adobe they ask me if I want to let the updater running all the time to check for updates and automatically install.  Well I mever wanted auto-install the past 50 times now did I?
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 18 June 2013, 09:05:52 »
even cnet download dot com, nearly forces you to use their installer. now the thing to do is NOT us the download button, but rather look at the download graphic button and "hunt" for the small font download link that says "download without installer" usually directly underneath the really big download graphic.
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« Reply #20 on: Tue, 18 June 2013, 16:12:16 »
Quote from: Lanx on Tue, 18 June 2013, 09:05:52
even cnet download dot com, nearly forces you to use their installer. now the thing to do is NOT us the download button, but rather look at the download graphic button and "hunt" for the small font download link that says "download without installer" usually directly underneath the really big download graphic.
**** Cnet and their stupid adware.
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Offline BucklingSpring

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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 18 June 2013, 17:55:30 »
Quote from: MKULTRA on Tue, 18 June 2013, 16:12:16
**** Cnet and their stupid adware.

Stupid adware - Hum... Is there any other kind of adware?
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 18 June 2013, 18:21:35 »
Quote from: BucklingSpring on Tue, 18 June 2013, 17:55:30
Quote from: MKULTRA on Tue, 18 June 2013, 16:12:16
**** Cnet and their stupid adware.

Stupid adware - Hum... Is there any other kind of adware?
Not really, I just wanted to express my anger by making sure everyone knows that it is STUPID.
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 18 June 2013, 21:28:47 »
Quote from: vun on Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:42:09
FileHippo is fairly neat and clean.

And no, you're not the only one annoyed with all the obvious fake download buttons. I never fall for them, but they still piss me off.
Except when they run an ad with a "download" on it.

Adblock Edge works for that though, but yeah, I use File Hippo all the time for work.


Quote from: MKULTRA on Tue, 18 June 2013, 08:23:14
Here is one thing that pisses me off, everytime I update anything Adobe they ask me if I want to let the updater running all the time to check for updates and automatically install.  Well I mever wanted auto-install the past 50 times now did I?
My problem is how rare the auto update even works even when you do want it to.
I swear it;s like it's programed to do exactly the opposite of what you want, which, considering it's Flash, that wouldn't surprise me.
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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 18 June 2013, 22:31:49 »
Quote from: iri on Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:00:33
apt-get install <whatever> <whatevernumbertwo> <somethingdifferentfromwhateveroneandtwo> <whateverwhateverwhatever>

YUM!


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Re: Sunday rant – Downloading what you want – How hard can that be?
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 20 June 2013, 04:49:03 »
Quote from: tricheboars on Tue, 18 June 2013, 22:31:49
Quote from: iri on Sun, 16 June 2013, 11:00:33
apt-get install <whatever> <whatevernumbertwo> <somethingdifferentfromwhateveroneandtwo> <whateverwhateverwhatever>

YUM!
"homebrew" for me now.
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I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.
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